Roller Cam PIn Problem

Hey POF guys...

I received my roller cam pin for my P-308 yesterday evening and I just got done attempting to install it...attempting unsuccessfully.

Here is the problem...

I pulled the carrier assmebly, removed the firing pin retainer pin, pulled the firing pin, and removed the old cam pin. Zero problems.

Now, I went to install the roller cam pin and while it drops in place seemingly okay...I absolutely cannot get the firing pin reinstalled. I pulled the roller cam pin out and upon careful inspection, I notice an issue. While the old cam pin has a slight radius or bevel on the base of the pin that allows it to drop slightly further into the bolt which allows the holes in the bolt and cam pin to appropriately line up and allow the firing pin to be fully inserted...the roller cam pin does NOT have this bevel/radius. It seems that this lack of the bevel/radius on the roller cam pin is preventing it from dropping into the bolt properly and thus not allowing it to line up to permit the firing pin to pass through. I pulled the bolt out of the carrier, installed the roller cam pin in the bolt outside the carrier and tried it again to insert the firing pin...same result.

Anybody else having this issue with their 308 roller cam pin? Did I get a dud roller cam pin?

Any help would be much appreciated.

I did not have issues with mine.

now, with the bolt out of the carrier, does the cam pin fit into the bolt and allow the firing pin to be inserted in the bolt?

Do not be offended by this (I have to ask), when the bolt is in the carrier, did you verify that it is in correctly with the extractor on the right side looking at it from the top/back?

Once the above is verified, does the cam pin go in, but not enough? not at all?

Something you need to be more carefull of is making sure the through hole on the cam pin is lined up when you go to insert it since you can not just turn the top to line it up like a standard cam pin. I did have to pull mine out and rotate it to make sure the firing pin hole was correct (which it was not, so I twisted it until it was) and then reinsert.

With the bolt out of the carrier, the roller cam pin does NOT fit into the bolt sufficiently to allow the firing pin to be inserted.

No offense taken...yes, the extractor was in the correct position.

The roller cam pin goes in...but not enough.

Finally, yes, I played around with the roller cam pin numerous times thinking that I did not get it lined up properly and I verified that it was in correctly...still a no-go on the firing pin.

Funny

Jesus guys...if you have nothing better to do that watch threads like this with morbid anticipation of "what's next" then you really need to shoot/train more and surf the Net less!!!

The problem has been addressed by Doug and Frank with much appreciation by me for their quick responses...particularly this close to a holiday in which most folks are probably already on a short vacation. I will be sending my roller cam pin back to them for a replacement.

As has been my experience with POF from day one, when a problem arises, they deal with it and try to make it right by the customer. This is a minor issue that I am sure they'll handle in fine style and I'll have an operable roller cam pin in hand in no time. In the meantime, my rifle is already back together and shooting 100%...I just put 20 rounds through it with the standard cam pin in place.

Thanks for the "peanut gallery's" concerns.

ORD out...

ORD,

I like your style. For some reason, this is the only forum where I post that I think I come across as a total ass all the time. I am active on many other gun forums but for some reason, this POF section brings out the absolute worst in me. It is not representative of my non-internet personality at all. So I am starting to think it is NOT ME. For some reason, the POF section brings in more than its share of haters and most of the time they are devoid of logic or reasoning, but seem to make statements out of totally irrational emotion. I'm thinking this section of AR-15 wastes way too much emotional energy for me. It reminds me of trying to reason with a drunk when I was a cop... good luck.

The first few did not have the bevel on the bottom edge. the rest do have the bevel on the bottom. just because it does not have a bevel, does not mean it will not work. it depends on the bolt. if the bottom side of the cam pin hole has been heavily coined it does need the beveled cam pin, if it is not heavily coined a non beveled will work. I have 2 bolts in front of me, while the non beveled cam pin will not fit far enough into one, it will fit fine in the other. I double checked, all cam pins going out now are the beveled.

If someone did receive a non beveled cam pin and it does not work, we will exchange it. but try it first is what we ask since it does depend on your bolt. will post some pics tonight.

POF sent my a 223 rolling cam pin and i ordered a 308 one... now i can't get a hold of anyone to return and re-ship.
???

POF is a comedy of errors.

I'm not a POF hater but that's Frakkin EPIC!

Where is that from?

got a hold of them - guess i'll be sending the pin back, maybe with my rifle, maybe separate... not sure.

Your whole rifle?!
This was AFTER you contacted them?

Sorry... i'm sending my whole rifle back for a different reason... i'm treating that and the wrong cam pin as separate issues... just so i don't confuse anyone.

Got it.

glad you got in touch with someone. I was going to send you an IM.

all future complaints can be emailed directly to SOC, he just volunteered

Got my cam pin yesterday, did a quick 15rd test today at work and it functioned flawlessly. No complaints from me

Got my replacement, chamfered roller cam pin for my P-308 earlier today. It dropped right in and functions 100%.

Thanks to Doug, Chris and Frank at POF for their prompt service and to Chris for the follow-up phone call earlier this week.

Best regards,
ORD out...

got the correct cam pin today - now i just need a rifle back to put it in.

Customer Service isn't a big thing...Its the only thing.

You're selling metal...

In the end, metal can be machined by anyone. The difference is how it performs and how you treat your customers.

You can be forgiven for flaws in your machines (it happens) but flaws in service are not to be excused.

TicToc...

I just ordered my p415 roller cam pin. Hopefully it will arrive on tuesday. Hopefully i won't have any problems with the cam pin.
Has anyone had problems with the .223 roller cam pin?

Well i just got my new roller cam today, but I haven't had time to test it out. Hopefully when i do everything will go smoothly.

I ordered one on the phone Monday/Tuesday, it's all just a blur at the moment, and it was waiting for me when I got home this afternoon.
Already installed.
Thanks Chris.

I received mine within 2 weeks after ordering. Put in rifle and am waiting for range time to get out and test fire

I waited a little longer but IT'S HERE, my .308 roller cam pin!

Already installed, it cycles a smooth as ever and I'm headed to the range this weekend with my roller and PMAGS! Things should never be better with the P-308 16.5"

And it's true: Things have never been better w/my P-308. See post in POF forum...the roller cam and PMAGs have given my P-308 100% reliability with ANY ammo...

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