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 50 gr. V-max for deer enough?
CornDogg723a  [Member]
11/7/2009 11:33:47 PM
Well this coming up weekend is the opener for deer season here. I got my rifle all sighted in my trusty 30/30 and well I

kind of want to use my Ar now for hunting its all sighted in with Black Hills 50 gr. V-Max do you think that's enough to kill a deer

I really want to shoot a deer with my ar I would only take a neck shot if possible.

Thanks for some input on this.
IIRC  [Team Member]
11/8/2009 12:02:14 AM
Varmint bullets aren't for deer.
Chacal87  [Member]
11/8/2009 12:11:26 AM
Originally Posted By IIRC:
Varmint bullets aren't for deer.


+1 this bullet is designed to come apart on impact, not to penetrate into the heart and lungs of medium sized game. If you insist on using .223 use a good SP (64 grain gold dots maybe?)
foxherb53  [Team Member]
11/8/2009 12:27:55 AM
We can't use a 22 cal here, 24 or bigger.
gunslinger1  [Member]
11/8/2009 12:50:25 AM
Man I would stick to the deer rifle and let that AR loose on the coyotes and varmint hunts!! A little on the light side...imo. Good luck!
eudyta63  [Member]
11/8/2009 6:46:00 AM
Will it kill a deer?Yes.Is it the best bullet in .223 for a deer?No.If you use the .223 I'd use a better designed bullet for deer.Get some type of soft point,or Barnes TSX and like you said only make good shots.It will do the job,just do your part.
CornDogg723a  [Member]
11/8/2009 8:12:53 AM
Yes a friend of mine had no problem dropping a doe with a Win. ballistic silver tip but you all are probably right

I did some thinking and i should probably just use my trusty 30/30.
eudyta63  [Member]
11/8/2009 8:53:45 AM
There is no problem using a .223 for a deer.It will do the job.There is a guy in the hog hunting section goes by "skypup" that has killed some big hogs with the .223.I just think you might want to consider using a different bullet than the v-max thats all.I've got some 62gr Barnes TSX ready to go.The 64 grn Winchester,or really most soft point rds will do the job.
Zoomer302  [Member]
11/8/2009 9:53:02 AM
danc46  [Team Member]
11/8/2009 10:27:34 AM
In some states the 223 is illegal for deer because people will use whatever ammo they have. That is the way it was in my state.
It's legal now but you see hardly anyone hunting with a 5.56/223.
CornDogg723a  [Member]
11/8/2009 11:25:55 AM


Always a smart ass in here save that shit for GD.

Back to another comment I believe it when you say for hogs because they are useing a pellet gun to kill them as well.

I do have like 15 rounds of Black Hills 68 gr. Hollow points as well.
IIRC  [Team Member]
11/8/2009 11:33:58 AM
Originally Posted By CornDogg723a:


Always a smart ass in here save that shit for GD.

Back to another comment I believe it when you say for hogs because they are useing a pellet gun to kill them as well.

I do have like 15 rounds of Black Hills 68 gr. Hollow points as well.


If they are the 68 grain match hollow points, they are not any good for hunting either. Match hollow points don't expand like you would expect a hollow point to. Sorry to keep bursting your bubble.
danc46  [Team Member]
11/8/2009 12:31:43 PM
Look, killing the deer is no problem with a 223. Dropping it in it's tracks with a 223 can be a HUGE problem.
If you don't see the difference between those statements, I'd guess you never wounded a deer and lost it.
No shot while hunting is ideal. No round is ideal as an all around caliber.
There are poor choices, better choices, good choices, and excellent choices in calibers, all according to opinion.
There are so many variables. The shooter, the terrain, the weather, the distance, the target opportunity, the rifle, the ammo. the size of the game, etc.
You have to take each into account. Overkill is the only way to think if you want to drop the animal quickly and humanely.
Overkill can be a little bit or a lot. Sometimes necessity (what you have available and can afford) will determine if you use the bare minimum or way too much.
Everyone wants a definitive answer. The German Shepherd size buck Billy Bob kills under a corn feeder in the Texas hill country at 75 yds from a blind isn't the same size or in the same terrain as a north Missouri corn fed 220 lb hog dressed buck Bobby Ray shot at 150 yds.
I'm going to attempt to take a doe this year with a bolt action 223 with a 60 gr Nosler Partition if I get the chance. My shot will be limited to less than a 100 yd broadside in the open. If it doesn't drop immediately, my bolt action 30/06 will fire the next round.
I don't care if Billy Bob or Bobby Ray shoots them all the time with his super accurate AR using 40 gr SuperX ammo . What you aren't going to hear from so many of these guys are how many they hit and lost.
ETA - They may have hit the deer, killed it later, and not even know that they wounded the deer. I've seen that happen more than once.
Maybe the technology of today's bullets is much better than when I first used a 223 to shoot a whitetail with 30 years ago. And maybe it isn't.
The choice of ammo is far greater now so it may be true.
I'm going to find out for myself.
But past experience tells me the 223 ain't as much a performer as some of these deer killers say it is.
I will say if I hunted with a 223 and wanted a nice sized trophy buck, I'd sure be limiting myself a great deal for getting that DRT shot.
CornDogg723a  [Member]
11/8/2009 12:37:37 PM
Originally Posted By IIRC:
Originally Posted By CornDogg723a:


Always a smart ass in here save that shit for GD.

Back to another comment I believe it when you say for hogs because they are useing a pellet gun to kill them as well.

I do have like 15 rounds of Black Hills 68 gr. Hollow points as well.


If they are the 68 grain match hollow points, they are not any good for hunting either. Match hollow points don't expand like you would expect a hollow point to. Sorry to keep bursting your bubble.


I don't care I haven't used them for hunting and my gun had a hard time stabilizing them so that's why i switched to the V-max.
Zoomer302  [Member]
11/8/2009 8:31:29 PM
V-max at deer. Real ethical.
While not illegal it's abhorrent.
Have fun with that.
It's a step above shooting a deer at midnight using a spotting light at 1 am with a 22 lr.
IIRC  [Team Member]
11/8/2009 8:43:27 PM
Originally Posted By Zoomer302:
V-max at deer. Real ethical.
While not illegal it's abhorrent.
Have fun with that.
It's a step above shooting a deer at midnight using a spotting light at 1 am with a 22 lr.


I don't think he had any bad intentions here, he just wanted to know if they would be any good. I think that's a lot better than just saying screw it, and shooting a deer with one and doing no research.
DanParker  [Team Member]
11/8/2009 9:44:27 PM
This "drop it in it's tracks" standard is nonsense. The vast majority of deer shot with more traditional cartridges don't drop in their tracks either. That's why so many decades of discussion on blood trails, giving deer time to die before trying to approach them, etc. And check out the shelves at your local Bass Pro and see the selection of blood illumination lights designed to help you find that buck you shot in the heart during the last hour of shooting light with your .338 Win. Mag....and still managed to head off into the thick stuff a ways.

If DRT is the only acceptable result, better get a RPG. And..."maybe" bullet technology is much better today than it was 30 years ago? Come on.
gks452  [Team Member]
11/8/2009 9:50:02 PM
Originally Posted By CornDogg723a:
Black Hills 50 gr. V-Max do you think that's enough to kill a deer

No, not really.

danc46  [Team Member]
11/8/2009 9:52:06 PM
Originally Posted By DanParker:
This "drop it in it's tracks" standard is nonsense. The vast majority of deer shot with more traditional cartridges don't drop in their tracks either. That's why so many decades of discussion on blood trails, giving deer time to die before trying to approach them, etc. And check out the shelves at your local Bass Pro and see the selection of blood illumination lights designed to help you find that buck you shot in the heart during the last hour of shooting light with your .338 Win. Mag....and still managed to head off into the thick stuff a ways.

If DRT is the only acceptable result, better get a RPG. And..."maybe" bullet technology is much better today than it was 30 years ago? Come on.


You want to chase them for a long distance, go right ahead. The point is to drop them immediately if you hunt them. If you're not trying to do that, then I suggest you give up hunting.
DanParker  [Team Member]
11/8/2009 11:32:34 PM
Originally Posted By danc46:
Originally Posted By DanParker:
This "drop it in it's tracks" standard is nonsense. The vast majority of deer shot with more traditional cartridges don't drop in their tracks either. That's why so many decades of discussion on blood trails, giving deer time to die before trying to approach them, etc. And check out the shelves at your local Bass Pro and see the selection of blood illumination lights designed to help you find that buck you shot in the heart during the last hour of shooting light with your .338 Win. Mag....and still managed to head off into the thick stuff a ways.

If DRT is the only acceptable result, better get a RPG. And..."maybe" bullet technology is much better today than it was 30 years ago? Come on.

You want to chase them for a long distance, go right ahead.

I said nothing in favor of chasing deer for a long distance. Try reading it again, but for comprehension this time.

The point is to drop them immediately if you hunt them. If you're not trying to do that, then I suggest you give up hunting.

I suggest you spend more time learning to understand what you read, and less on these ill-informed, condescending responses in every single thread on this subject.
MTNmyMag  [Member]
11/8/2009 11:57:14 PM
Originally Posted By IIRC:
Originally Posted By Zoomer302:
V-max at deer. Real ethical.
While not illegal it's abhorrent.
Have fun with that.
It's a step above shooting a deer at midnight using a spotting light at 1 am with a 22 lr.


I don't think he had any bad intentions here, he just wanted to know if they would be any good. I think that's a lot better than just saying screw it, and shooting a deer with one and doing no research.


I have killed a several deer with 55 grn V-Max/223. And a ton with a 45 grn Seirra hps the 45 grn HPs were out of a 22-250. If you make a good shot fragmenting bullets mean a dead deer in a hurry. I dont think it is unethical at all. Now I dont purpose taking angled shots that would require you to shoot through shoulders or multiple ribs. But a broadside into the lungs is devastating and usually ends up with a heart lung hit. However if the deer does not fall dead you better be a good tracker as more than likely you will not have a blood trail, ETA I do recomend you use a better bullet for deer hunting. I am just saying I have done it and it worked well. As for commets about people not admitting to wounding deer with it. I have with a 55 grn corelokt. It was not the rounds fault though it was mine I took a bad shot at a deer to far away many years ago. ended up hitting him in the butt. I killed the same deer 4 yrs later and cut the mushrommed round out of his left ham. The deer turned right when I shot and was to far to be shooting at with my set up anyway. I was much younger and dumber then.
MTNmyMag  [Member]
11/8/2009 11:58:59 PM
Originally Posted By danc46:
Originally Posted By DanParker:
This "drop it in it's tracks" standard is nonsense. The vast majority of deer shot with more traditional cartridges don't drop in their tracks either. That's why so many decades of discussion on blood trails, giving deer time to die before trying to approach them, etc. And check out the shelves at your local Bass Pro and see the selection of blood illumination lights designed to help you find that buck you shot in the heart during the last hour of shooting light with your .338 Win. Mag....and still managed to head off into the thick stuff a ways.

If DRT is the only acceptable result, better get a RPG. And..."maybe" bullet technology is much better today than it was 30 years ago? Come on.


You want to chase them for a long distance, go right ahead. The point is to drop them immediately if you hunt them. If you're not trying to do that, then I suggest you give up hunting.


The point is to always drop them in their tracks. That said I have seen more deer hit with belted magnums run for over 300 yards after beiung hit than I have deer that were shot with 243 and below. A big fast bullet doesnt insure anything.
Unclecooter  [Team Member]
11/9/2009 1:17:41 AM
Just shoot them in the face. They won't go anywhere.
danc46  [Team Member]
11/9/2009 2:54:13 AM
Originally Posted By DanParker:
Originally Posted By danc46:
Originally Posted By DanParker:
This "drop it in it's tracks" standard is nonsense. The vast majority of deer shot with more traditional cartridges don't drop in their tracks either. That's why so many decades of discussion on blood trails, giving deer time to die before trying to approach them, etc. And check out the shelves at your local Bass Pro and see the selection of blood illumination lights designed to help you find that buck you shot in the heart during the last hour of shooting light with your .338 Win. Mag....and still managed to head off into the thick stuff a ways.

If DRT is the only acceptable result, better get a RPG. And..."maybe" bullet technology is much better today than it was 30 years ago? Come on.

You want to chase them for a long distance, go right ahead.

I said nothing in favor of chasing deer for a long distance. Try reading it again, but for comprehension this time.

The point is to drop them immediately if you hunt them. If you're not trying to do that, then I suggest you give up hunting.

I suggest you spend more time learning to understand what you read, and less on these ill-informed, condescending responses in every single thread on this subject.


You're the one that mentioned using an RPG to kill a deer.
Discuss the subject, leave out the smart cracks, and maybe a decent discourse can be achieved.
If I try to prevent someone from losing a nice trophy deer because of using the wrong bullet and the wrong caliber, give them pause to think about what they are doing, I've done a good thing.
You on the other hand, give nothing to the thread with your RPG comments.

DanParker  [Team Member]
11/9/2009 9:09:44 AM
Originally Posted By danc46:
Originally Posted By DanParker:
I suggest you spend more time learning to understand what you read, and less on these ill-informed, condescending responses in every single thread on this subject.

You're the one that mentioned using an RPG to kill a deer.
Discuss the subject, leave out the smart cracks, and maybe a decent discourse can be achieved.
If I try to prevent someone from losing a nice trophy deer because of using the wrong bullet and the wrong caliber, give them pause to think about what they are doing, I've done a good thing.
You on the other hand, give nothing to the thread with your RPG comments.

Ah, now I see the problem. You somehow managed to miss nearly the entire post, and only read one sentence near the end.

Constantly harping on the subject based on your one 30 year-old experience using ammo that wasn't designed for the purpose isn't helping anyone, no matter how useful you want to believe you're being.

Spare me your hypocritical B.S. smokescreens used in the hope of diverting attention from your ignorance. Or, I suppose we could ignore everything you've said in these threads except for the stupid remarks about killing deer on Texas golf courses and the like. But I imagi e you'd object to that sort of honest and consistent application of what you're trying to peddle as your high-minded approach to discussion, eh?

If you're just not capable of addressing the substance of what I've said...or just don't understand it...at least have the honesty and integrity to refrain from so grossly misrepresenting it.
buckfever34  [Moderator]
11/9/2009 9:16:29 AM
If you are going to use a .223 for deer, you need to use a better bullet. I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST NOT USING THE V-MAX. The Winchster 64 grain soft points come to mind as a bullet that would work better for you.
SYSTEM MESSAGE  
11/9/2009 9:17:44 AM
Personal attacks, Name Calling, etc....I'm not in the mood to babysit.