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 Whats the best load for whitetail in 308?
ark-and-spark  [Team Member]
9/29/2008 7:03:22 PM
This is the riflewww.savagearms.com/11model_BTHshortaction.htm
Twist is 1-10 Should I go with a 150gn or 168gn? My range is most likely to be 60 to 200 yards.

Thanks
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SteelonSteel  [Member]
9/29/2008 7:12:25 PM
Best hmmm,

something in the 150-165 grain range would be ideal

Accubond
bear claw
Hornady SST

tons of premium bullets on the market

heck a kmart core lokt will kill dead if in the right spot.
thatguy  [Member]
9/29/2008 7:52:49 PM
I have not had any that went far using a 150 gr Core Lokt

Brian
danc46  [Team Member]
9/29/2008 8:23:03 PM
My son has used 150 gr Ballistic Tips and Sierra soft points out to distances of 400 yds and killed deer with his first shot.
The 150 or 165 soft points (not the 168 gr hollow point match bullets!) will do fine on whitetail deer at distances under 500 yds.
gariverrat  [Member]
9/30/2008 3:38:58 AM
150gr screamin hot lead
clown714  [Member]
9/30/2008 6:19:52 AM
150-168gr. should be ideal.

see what your rifle likes.

i've seen the CT ballistic silvertip loads

have some pretty bad ass terminal affects(sp)

not to mention pretty accurate.

clown
dbd870  [Member]
9/30/2008 7:55:15 AM
I have an Encore 30-06 handgun that I load to 308 levels with a 165 Sierra GameKing; shoots well and took a doe with it last fall - she went maybe 10 yds.
buckfever34  [Moderator]
9/30/2008 10:36:54 AM
I would vote for something in the 165 grain flavor with that twist.
SilentREAPER  [Member]
10/1/2008 4:44:22 PM
I use a custom Savage .308 for deer hunting.
With out a dout in my mind, I recomend
Winchester 168gr Balistic silvertip.
I've tried more than a few loads and like these
THE BEST.
Hebrew_Battle_Rifle  [Member]
10/1/2008 4:52:45 PM

Originally Posted By danc46:
(not the 168 gr hollow point match bullets!)


Why not these?
spdtrip  [Member]
10/1/2008 5:10:31 PM
I also use winchester ballistic silvertip 168gr in my ar-10.
TKD4Life  [Member]
10/1/2008 5:12:09 PM
165G Nosler Accubonds.
SilentREAPER  [Member]
10/1/2008 5:54:53 PM
Hebrew Battle Rifle
168 gr match bullets are not true hollow points.
They are not designed to expand like a hollow point.
The tiny hole on the tip of a match bullet is part of
the manufacturing process.
Hebrew_Battle_Rifle  [Member]
10/2/2008 1:19:02 AM

Originally Posted By SilentREAPER:
Hebrew Battle Rifle
168 gr match bullets are not true hollow points.
They are not designed to expand like a hollow point.
The tiny hole on the tip of a match bullet is part of
the manufacturing process.


Ok.
Have you ever witnessed how these bullets perform on thin skinned game such as white tail deer?
danc46  [Team Member]
10/2/2008 1:28:19 AM

Originally Posted By Hebrew_Battle_Rifle:

Originally Posted By SilentREAPER:
Hebrew Battle Rifle
168 gr match bullets are not true hollow points.
They are not designed to expand like a hollow point.
The tiny hole on the tip of a match bullet is part of
the manufacturing process.


Ok.
Have you ever witnessed how these bullets perform on thin skinned game such as white tail deer?

If you hit the shoulder bone, it will disintegrate. Hunting bullets are made to hold together, expand, and penetrate.
Yes, I have seen them used on deer. One in the shoulder. Dropped it and we thought it was dead. After a few minutes, it got up and ran off with a shattered shoulder. If didn't go very far but still it would have been put down and not gotten up with a premium or even regular hunting bullet.
The point of any shot on game is to drop it on the spot.
Target bullets are target bullets.
Hunting bullets are a whole different structure.
SilentREAPER  [Member]
10/2/2008 11:20:46 AM
Hebrew Battle Rifle
The very first deer i shot was a very large doe, from about 100 yards.
I used Federal 168gr match bullet, the accuracy was dead on and so was my shot
placement. The bullet did not pass through, I actualy recovered it.
It retained about 95% of its mass, the jacket pulled back on one side.
The round did the job but, there are much better rounds to use.
If you want MATCH accuracy in a hunting round go with The ballistic tip.
Many different companies make a version. I absolutly swear by
Winchester 168gr Ballistic silver tip
dIIshoots  [Team Member]
10/2/2008 9:18:05 PM
165 gr. Hornady lite magnum does the job in my CZ 550 .308.
ta6ppc  [Member]
10/5/2008 1:38:12 PM
If your rifle performs with 168's try combined technologys ballistic silver tip shoot like fedral gmm and hold togeather good I have shot deer with match kings and they work on vital aera or head shots but you got to do your part or you could be chasing one
Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
10/5/2008 3:03:49 PM
130gr TSX.
Winn  [Team Member]
10/5/2008 4:55:04 PM

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

130gr TSX.



+ 1.
danos660r  [Member]
10/5/2008 8:25:27 PM
180 gr nosler partition. Shoot and drop. I have never chased a deer with that bullet. Cant remember off hand how many grains of powder, but I almost exclusively use IMR 4064 for my 308 and 30-06 loads. I'm also not into screaming hot loads either. Waste of powder in my 20 and 16" barrels.

Used 150g and 165 SST and was not impressed with terminal effects.
Pharcta2  [Member]
10/5/2008 11:37:28 PM

Originally Posted By Winn:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

130gr TSX.



+ 1.



+2

On top of H4895...my AR-10 loves it.
sapper326  [Member]
10/6/2008 10:37:24 AM
My Remington 673 loves the TSX 180 grain and it loads up nicely. I figure I can use the 180 grain for everything from whitetail to moose. Ive gotten 2 bucks with the TSX now if I could just land me a moose permit.
under9  [Member]
10/7/2008 3:33:20 PM
I use 168gr. TAP in my Beretta Tika T3 Tactical 20in 308. It works great. One shot One drop.
Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
10/7/2008 5:58:56 PM

Originally Posted By under9:
I use 168gr. TAP in my Beretta Tika T3 Tactical 20in 308. It works great. One shot One drop.


You don't get a lot of ruined meat?
DPeacher  [Team Member]
10/8/2008 1:50:44 PM
I've been using the 180gn TSX in my 700VS simply because it's trajectory is very close to my 175gn SMK out to 600 yards so I don't have to remember different drop charts. The TSX is also a bit more accurate in that particular rifle then the SMK. Terminal ballistics have been very good. I'd have great confidence using the 130's & 150's too.

If your rifle does not like to shoot small groups with the TSX, then there are plenty of bonded core bullets to try that should also perform great under event the most extreme impact conditions. Nosler Accubonds and Partitions, Hornady Interbonds, Swift Scirocco II's, Trophy Bonded Bear Claw's. Even Remington came out with a bonded core Core Lokt.

Why do I prefer a bonded premium over the traditional cup and core that has been killing deer by the millions for over 100 years? It's because even "free" hunting is expensive and the season is always too short. Why bet a hard hunt on a 25 cent bullet when a 50 cent bullet offers a much lower chance of failure. For me, that extra 25 cents beats the living hell of tracking a wounded animal for hours through thorn brush so thick you have to crawl on your hands and knees.
Cypher214  [Team Member]
10/8/2008 4:05:20 PM
For medium game, the 165 grain Ballistic Tip is hard to beat.

I hear a lot of good things about the Barnes TSX but they're very expensive.
Medic08  [Member]
10/10/2008 11:15:00 PM
I use the 165gr ballistic tip. I push it with 46gr of Varget and it works great. Even out of a little 18" barrel it does well.
txgp17  [Team Member]
10/10/2008 11:24:00 PM
I'd opt for a 150 Grain Barnes TTSX, probably using Varget.
RonE  [Member]
10/10/2008 11:27:43 PM
Depends on what shoots good out of your particular rifle. If a guy shot his last ten whitetail deer with 150 grain bullets and you asked him what was best, guess what he would say? On the other hand if a guy shot his last ten white tail deer with 178 gr bullets, he might have a different opinion. Of the thirty opinions thus far, how many have actually shot a whitetail with a .308? Theory works great to answer questions and opinions are reinforced with theory and speculation. I have shot only one deer with a .308 (Win Mod 88) shooting a handloaded 160 gr bullet wasn't a white tail but rather a black tail deer. Droped in his tracks with a neck shot.

Go out and buy a couple of boxes of different brand or bullet weight bullets (cheap ones) and try them in your gun. Whichever shoots best for you is best for any deer anywhere.
Hebrew_Battle_Rifle  [Member]
10/11/2008 12:05:42 AM

Originally Posted By RonE:
Of the thirty opinions thus far, how many have actually shot a whitetail with a .308?


All of the dozen or so that I have taken, with the exception of the very first, were taken with 308. (FNFALs to be exact. First one taken with an M1 Garand). I have used several types of bullets including Winchester Silver tips ( excellent expansion , penetration, and weight retention.) The only DRT kills that I have made have been with Sierra Match Kings and Remington 170 gr Jacket Round Nose. (These were intended to be loaded in 30/30 WIN cartridges)


The bullets that I have used so far include:
Sierra Match Kings 168 gr and 175 gr

Sierra Game Kings 165 gr (Will not feed in my FNs and performed poorly)

Winchester Silver tips 150 gr and 180 gr (see above comments on performance)

Remington 170 gr Jacket Round Nose. These bullets are absolutely devastating when loaded to 2700 fps.)

Remington Bronze tips 150 gr and 180 gr. (excellent accuracy and penetration. I cannot comment upon expansion as I have yet to recover a bullet. They always pass through. I suspect that these bullets would be excellent on large game where penetration is prefered over expansion and at long distances were accuracy would be of greater importance.) I have stopped using them for deer hunting.

danc46  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 1:08:49 AM

Originally Posted By Hebrew_Battle_Rifle:
..... The only DRT kills that I have made have been with Sierra Match Kings and Remington 170 gr Jacket Round Nose. .....



I suggest you find more accurate loads with hunting bullets for your rifle. I have shot a buck end to end with a 165 gr Hornady - left front shoulder to right hip - and dropped him in his tracks. The bullet weight was around 140 gr with some real expansion.
Bullet placement - any bullet including a 22 LR solid bullet - will drop a deer in it's tracks.
But hunting is never an ideal situation. A regular hunting bullet will beat a SMK or any match bullet any day of the week ACROSS THE BOARD for dropping deer when a less than ideal shot occurs.
And they happen when hunting whitetail.
Hebrew_Battle_Rifle  [Member]
10/11/2008 1:23:07 AM

Originally Posted By danc46:

Originally Posted By Hebrew_Battle_Rifle:
..... The only DRT kills that I have made have been with Sierra Match Kings and Remington 170 gr Jacket Round Nose. .....



I suggest you find more accurate loads with hunting bullets for your rifle. I have shot a buck end to end with a 165 gr Hornady - left front shoulder to right hip - and dropped him in his tracks. The bullet weight was around 140 gr with some real expansion.
Bullet placement - any bullet including a 22 LR solid bullet - will drop a deer in it's tracks.
But hunting is never an ideal situation. A regular hunting bullet will beat a SMK or any match bullet any day of the week ACROSS THE BOARD for dropping deer when a less than ideal shot occurs.
And they happen when hunting whitetail.


You have ZERO knowledge of my rifles, my skills, or my shot placement. I never said that the "hunting bullets" didn't kill. With the exception of the 170 gr JRN, they didn't do it INSTANTLY. When I recover deer that have 30 cal holes through the heart that ran for 100 to 200 yards, shot placement is NOT a problem.
Hokie  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 8:44:59 AM
Winchester 150-grain Power Points haven't failed me yet. Fast, hard hitting, accurate...what more does one need?

It's a damn deer, not an armor-plated zombie. Put a .30 bullet into the vitals and psyche yourself up for the body drag.
prcharlie  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 10:33:48 AM
My Weatherby .308 shoots the cheap Remington 150gr Corelokts pretty well. At less than $20 you can't beat them. Here are pics of an entry and exit with this round. This deer was hit in the heart (Ventricles), didn't go far.





Edit: to add bullet weight.
danc46  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 7:04:06 PM

Originally Posted By Hebrew_Battle_Rifle:

Originally Posted By danc46:

Originally Posted By Hebrew_Battle_Rifle:
..... The only DRT kills that I have made have been with Sierra Match Kings and Remington 170 gr Jacket Round Nose. .....



I suggest you find more accurate loads with hunting bullets for your rifle. I have shot a buck end to end with a 165 gr Hornady - left front shoulder to right hip - and dropped him in his tracks. The bullet weight was around 140 gr with some real expansion.
Bullet placement - any bullet including a 22 LR solid bullet - will drop a deer in it's tracks.
But hunting is never an ideal situation. A regular hunting bullet will beat a SMK or any match bullet any day of the week ACROSS THE BOARD for dropping deer when a less than ideal shot occurs.
And they happen when hunting whitetail.


You have ZERO knowledge of my rifles, my skills, or my shot placement. I never said that the "hunting bullets" didn't kill. With the exception of the 170 gr JRN, they didn't do it INSTANTLY. When I recover deer that have 30 cal holes through the heart that ran for 100 to 200 yards, shot placement is NOT a problem.


I do know you don't jack crap about hunting or ballistics using a SMK to hunt with.
That's an ignorant statement saying the SMK gave a DRT shot. I've done the same thing with a 22 LR. Folded the legs straight down of the doe eating the vegetables in my garden.
If you hit a deer and it runs 100 to 200 yards, I suggest you pick a better kill shot than the heart.
Have you ever split the skull or hit a deer or elk in the neck? It's a hell of a lot more effective than the heart shot and ruins far less meat.
Glad I could help straighten you out!
SilentREAPER  [Member]
10/11/2008 9:08:50 PM
RonE
I've never hunted with anything but a .308
all my dozen kills was with that round.
I think most of the people giving advice have used the round.
Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 9:51:09 PM
Killed a bear with .308 and other things with similar rounds, to include deer. There really ain't much difference.
Wojo  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 10:08:26 PM
My Savage 308 with a 1:10 twist groups the best with Nosler BT's 125's at around 3100fps.

My hunting load is either 150 BT's or Accubonds during Deer combined with Bear season. I just checked my 200y zero and the AB's rounds were almost touching each other at 1" low at 200y...good to go for another hunting season. The BT's and AB's have the same SD / BC so you can interchange them without making corrections. I used to use 165 BT's out of my AR10, but seemed to get too much meat damage, the 125's twice didn't exit the body at around 100 yards...so I'm sold on 150's.

Savage Weather Warrior

I dumped the el-cheapo stock and put a beef Bell & Carlson stock on which stiffen things up dramatically.
CajunTim  [Member]
10/12/2008 6:36:10 PM

Originally Posted By thatguy:
I have not had any that went far using a 150 gr Core Lokt

Brian


They work for me too
Shooting it out of my .308 Savage
ta6ppc  [Member]
10/16/2008 11:44:53 PM
I have shot deer with barnes x bullets and taps and Fed. GMM and fed power shock and have even killed varmits with FMJ's I think head and neck shots are best but depending on the situation I will shoot it how ever I can I haever chased a deer I have had some run about 60 yds though drop dead on the spot
Hokie  [Team Member]
10/16/2008 11:54:22 PM
This year I'm hunting with Winchester Supreme Ballistic Silvertips (308Win...168 grains)

Sexy ammo too ... I keep eyeballing the box everytime I walk past it.
overkill375  [Team Member]
10/17/2008 1:11:58 AM

Originally Posted By Hebrew_Battle_Rifle:

Originally Posted By SilentREAPER:
Hebrew Battle Rifle
168 gr match bullets are not true hollow points.
They are not designed to expand like a hollow point.
The tiny hole on the tip of a match bullet is part of
the manufacturing process.


Ok.
Have you ever witnessed how these bullets perform on thin skinned game such as white tail deer?

I shot 2 animals with the 168 grain match bullet from sierra and will not use them as my first choice ever again. One went chest to ass on a 5 point bull elk and did not musroom at all small dent is all. Second on a large mule deer shoulder exploded like a gernade. I am not saying that ether animal did not die I just think that any hunting bullet is better for hunting. PS I LOVE CHEAPO COR-LOKTS!
cckw  [Team Member]
10/26/2008 10:53:46 PM
ANY hunting round will do just fine with proper marksmanship. I use Black Hills 168 Amax
danc46  [Team Member]
10/27/2008 9:13:08 AM
Originally Posted By cckw:
ANY hunting round will do just fine with proper marksmanship. I use Black Hills 168 Amax
You wrote HUNTING round. That doesn't include TARGET rounds.

Aggie_Gunner  [Team Member]
10/27/2008 10:55:30 AM
My absolute favorite is 150gr Hornady SST over 45.0gr Varget. 2.755" OAL with light Lee factory crimp. I use either Hornady Match brass, or I have some beautiful pull down lake city. CCI 200's to set them off.

This load has the best accuracy of any I have ever shot out of my .308's (truly .5 MOA or better out of my tuned 700 VLS, and every bit of 1 MOA or better out of my light Kimber 84M), and the SST is a great bullet. It expands well, and does not "explode" like nosler, CT, or V-max ballistic tips.

4 deer and counting to this load. The last was a nice 8 point in North Texas shot broadside at 197 yards. Hit exactly where I wanted, behind the shoulder, took out both lungs, pulverized the top of the heart and exited. Deer did not take a step. I literally thought I had missed, since the deer fell out of the scope so quickly.

- AG
SHIVAN  [Team Member]
10/27/2008 11:03:59 AM
Black Hills makes a "match" round using 168gr Barnes Triple Shock X bullets. I used a .338 185gr TSX bullet on antelope and I suspect that the .308 168gr TSX will do very well on whitetail of any size.
SHIVAN  [Team Member]
10/27/2008 11:04:55 AM
Originally Posted By Hokie:
This year I'm hunting with Winchester Supreme Ballistic Silvertips (308Win...168 grains)

Sexy ammo too ... I keep eyeballing the box everytime I walk past it.
Best friend uses this for whitetail and antelope. It rocks their world.

Hokie  [Team Member]
10/27/2008 12:37:38 PM
Originally Posted By SHIVAN:
Originally Posted By Hokie:
This year I'm hunting with Winchester Supreme Ballistic Silvertips (308Win...168 grains)

Sexy ammo too ... I keep eyeballing the box everytime I walk past it.
Best friend uses this for whitetail and antelope. It rocks their world.



Good to know! Everything I read and everyone I talk raves about it. I can't wait.

Winchester Ballistic Silvertips

cckw  [Team Member]
10/27/2008 7:16:44 PM
Originally Posted By danc46:
Originally Posted By cckw:
ANY hunting round will do just fine with proper marksmanship. I use Black Hills 168 Amax
You wrote HUNTING round. That doesn't include TARGET rounds.



The OP asked about hunting rounds, not target rounds. The A-max does a great job as a hunting round but if you want a real target round you need something like an SMK bullet. Black hills makes those loads also.
danc46  [Team Member]
10/27/2008 8:11:11 PM
Originally Posted By cckw:
Originally Posted By danc46:
Originally Posted By cckw:
ANY hunting round will do just fine with proper marksmanship. I use Black Hills 168 Amax
You wrote HUNTING round. That doesn't include TARGET rounds.



The OP asked about hunting rounds, not target rounds. The A-max does a great job as a hunting round but if you want a real target round you need something like an SMK bullet. Black hills makes those loads also.


Pull your head out buddy. I was emphasizing HUNTING bullets over TARGET bullets for taking game.
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