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TZapp  [Team Member]
4/13/2011 9:18:05 PM
Will a 100 or 200 round Saw ammo pouch fit in the designated sustainment pouch spot? If so how is the fit?

How about on the Molle II assault pack. will they fit it as well?

Thanks
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_Matt_  [Team Member]
4/14/2011 9:16:41 PM
the sustainment pouches are quite large; i can almost fit a 50 cal can in one

i think 3, maybe even 4 100 round 30cal ammo boxes would fit

TZapp  [Team Member]
4/14/2011 9:20:56 PM

Originally Posted By _Matt_:
the sustainment pouches are quite large; i can almost fit a 50 cal can in one

i think 3, maybe even 4 100 round 30cal ammo boxes would fit



Matt, The sustainment pouches have 4 straps with snaps on the back correct? the ruck i have has the molle in place to accept just those 4 straps in that config. I have never laid hands on either sustainment or saw pouches. So im not real familiar with how they attach. pics is all i have to go by at this time. I want to put the 200 round saw pouches on the each side of the ruck in the place of the sustainment pouches. Will they fit ? The reason is because the saw pouches are readily available here in the EE. The sustainment pouches are few and far between.

Thanks for the response
ThePatriot556  [Team Member]
4/14/2011 11:35:17 PM
Originally Posted By TZapp:

Originally Posted By _Matt_:
the sustainment pouches are quite large; i can almost fit a 50 cal can in one

i think 3, maybe even 4 100 round 30cal ammo boxes would fit



Matt, The sustainment pouches have 4 straps with snaps on the back correct? the ruck i have has the molle in place to accept just those 4 straps in that config. I have never laid hands on either sustainment or saw pouches. So im not real familiar with how they attach. pics is all i have to go by at this time. I want to put the 200 round saw pouches on the each side of the ruck in the place of the sustainment pouches. Will they fit ? The reason is because the saw pouches are readily available here in the EE. The sustainment pouches are few and far between.

Thanks for the response



Won't really work. The MOLLE attachments on the back of the SAW pouch have a much smaller spacing than those on the sustainment pouch. There are not any alternate attachment points. DCU sustainment pouches are available again (DCU was scarce for a while), check Ebay or UncleSamsretailoutlet.com.

TZapp  [Team Member]
4/15/2011 5:25:25 PM
I suspected it wouldnt work, but I wanted to confirm before I went and pulled the trigger on 2 saw pouches. I will check the sites you suggested.

Thanks for the help!!

Originally Posted By ThePatriot556:
Originally Posted By TZapp:

Originally Posted By _Matt_:
the sustainment pouches are quite large; i can almost fit a 50 cal can in one

i think 3, maybe even 4 100 round 30cal ammo boxes would fit



Matt, The sustainment pouches have 4 straps with snaps on the back correct? the ruck i have has the molle in place to accept just those 4 straps in that config. I have never laid hands on either sustainment or saw pouches. So im not real familiar with how they attach. pics is all i have to go by at this time. I want to put the 200 round saw pouches on the each side of the ruck in the place of the sustainment pouches. Will they fit ? The reason is because the saw pouches are readily available here in the EE. The sustainment pouches are few and far between.

Thanks for the response



Won't really work. The MOLLE attachments on the back of the SAW pouch have a much smaller spacing than those on the sustainment pouch. There are not any alternate attachment points. DCU sustainment pouches are available again (DCU was scarce for a while), check Ebay or UncleSamsretailoutlet.com.



Breacher  [Member]
4/16/2011 1:20:11 AM
the 100 rounders will attach to the lower part of the assault pack as well as the lower part of the main ruck. I don't have any 200 rounders to try out. The DCU sustainment pouches are going for about $20 a pair on Ebay. Ordered some for some friends a couple of weeks ago.

Breacher
TZapp  [Team Member]
4/16/2011 10:46:21 AM

Originally Posted By Breacher:
the 100 rounders will attach to the lower part of the assault pack as well as the lower part of the main ruck. I don't have any 200 rounders to try out. The DCU sustainment pouches are going for about $20 a pair on Ebay. Ordered some for some friends a couple of weeks ago.

Breacher

Thanks for checking it out. When you mounted the 100 rounder, would the compression strap for the sustainment pouch go over the saw pouch? At $20 a pair i might just go ahead and get some of the sustainment pouches. Was that including delivery?

Thanks!
Breacher  [Member]
4/16/2011 12:05:58 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-NEW-DCU-SUSTAINMENT-POUCH-DCU-MOLLE-2-USA-GI-ISSUE-/130487213871?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e61a4df2f#ht_643wt_689

$18.00 shipped

Do you have the one piece ruck or the two piece one?

Breacher
9mmCarbine  [Team Member]
4/16/2011 4:44:11 PM
Not sure which camo pattern you are looking for, but there are still a lot of woodland sustainment pouches to be had. They are on eBay regularly.
TZapp  [Team Member]
4/17/2011 4:12:03 PM

Originally Posted By Breacher:
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-NEW-DCU-SUSTAINMENT-POUCH-DCU-MOLLE-2-USA-GI-ISSUE-/130487213871?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e61a4df2f#ht_643wt_689

$18.00 shipped

Do you have the one piece ruck or the two piece one?

Breacher
I have the Molle II Ruck. It has the large main storage "Large Ruck" and a "waist pack" both are attached to a (rigid) plastic frame. The items in the Ebay link you posted, are exactly what I need.

On a side note, I just finished up a short hike(1 mile) with this ruck loaded out to 50#. It was surprisingly comfortable. When I took it off I felt like I was going to fall over forward I havent ever carried anything on my back for that distance and it was a funny feeling when I took it off. Wasnt real bad though, coulda went longer if the need was there.

TZapp  [Team Member]
4/17/2011 4:13:40 PM

Originally Posted By 9mmCarbine:
Not sure which camo pattern you are looking for, but there are still a lot of woodland sustainment pouches to be had. They are on eBay regularly.


Thanks for the heads up. I am looking for DCU pattern. I did find some on Ebay.

Peace
Breacher  [Member]
4/18/2011 12:12:58 AM
is it the version with the seperate sleeping bag carrier or the one piece bag with the internal divider zipper? I know that there is molle webbing on the one piece system where the sleeping system goes, there is none on the one with the seperate sleeping bag carrier.

Breacher

ETA: sorry, I may not have been clear, there are two versions (that Iknow of) of the MOLLE II ruck. There is the original one which consists of the frame, shoulder straps, waist belt, main pack, and sleep carrier bag. The newest (?) one has the frame, shoulder straps, waist belt, and main pack with intrigrated sleep system area that can be accessed by a semi-circular zipper on the lower part of the bag.
TZapp  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 8:04:31 AM

Originally Posted By Breacher:
is it the version with the seperate sleeping bag carrier or the one piece bag with the internal divider zipper? I know that there is molle webbing on the one piece system where the sleeping system goes, there is none on the one with the seperate sleeping bag carrier.

Breacher

ETA: sorry, I may not have been clear, there are two versions (that Iknow of) of the MOLLE II ruck. There is the original one which consists of the frame, shoulder straps, waist belt, main pack, and sleep carrier bag. The newest (?) one has the frame, shoulder straps, waist belt, and main pack with intrigrated sleep system area that can be accessed by a semi-circular zipper on the lower part of the bag.
The one I have has the "sleep system" carrier that has QD conections with compression straps seperate from the main ruck. It is very hard to fit a larger sleeping bag into it. It is for sure 2 peice –– main ruck and sleep system carrier.



raf  [Site Staff]
4/18/2011 7:05:58 PM
The early, Type I Molle pack, with seperate Modular Sleeping System Carier, requires an issued compression bag to compress the complete Mod sleep ensemble in order for it to fit into the MSS Carrier. The same is true of the later Type II MOLLE pack, with integral MSS carriage. Any sufficiently bulky bag will need a compression bag in order to bring the sleping bag's bulk down to a manageable size for stowage.

I prefer the earlier Type I MOLLE pack, as it is more versatile than the later Type II. It uses few zippers, which are prone to failure.

The Type II Molle is, IMHO, a dumbed-down version of the pack. Mebbe better for GIs with little training and less time to pay attention to how it works. The Type II is a tinch lighter, but I hate them damn zippers, and all the cross-zipper reinforcement straps tat make access a tedious process.
TZapp  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 7:33:13 PM

Originally Posted By raf:
The early, Type I Molle pack, with seperate Modular Sleeping System Carier, requires an issued compression bag to compress the complete Mod sleep ensemble in order for it to fit into the MSS Carrier. The same is true of the later Type II MOLLE pack, with integral MSS carriage. Any sufficiently bulky bag will need a compression bag in order to bring the sleping bag's bulk down to a manageable size for stowage.

I prefer the earlier Type I MOLLE pack, as it is more versatile than the later Type II. It uses few zippers, which are prone to failure.

The Type II Molle is, IMHO, a dumbed-down version of the pack. Mebbe better for GIs with little training and less time to pay attention to how it works. The Type II is a tinch lighter, but I hate them damn zippers, and all the cross-zipper reinforcement straps tat make access a tedious process.

After reading your post, I am a bit confused as to what version of the ruck I actually have. I am going to snap some pics and post them up. My ruck only has one zipper that I know of.


ETA Pics:











raf  [Site Staff]
4/18/2011 7:47:21 PM
No sweat. Just post a good pic of the dorsal side of the pack.

ETA: just saw pix. Flip up the top flap so I can see the entire front of the pack.
TZapp  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 7:53:14 PM

Originally Posted By raf:
No sweat. Just post a good pic of the dorsal side of the pack.

ETA: just saw pix. Flip up the top flap so I can see the entire front of the pack.

The second pic shows the large ruck with the flap up. If it isnt clear i will stuff it then snap another pic. It is collapsed a bit at the moment. The zipper shown there is the only outside compartment on the ruck. It is the only zipper as well.
raf  [Site Staff]
4/18/2011 8:01:27 PM
Originally Posted By TZapp:

Originally Posted By raf:
No sweat. Just post a good pic of the dorsal side of the pack.

ETA: just saw pix. Flip up the top flap so I can see the entire front of the pack.

The second pic shows the large ruck with the flap up. If it isnt clear i will stuff it then snap another pic. It is collapsed a bit at the moment. The zipper shown there is the only outside compartment on the ruck. It is the only zipper as well.


OK, looks to be a type I MOLLE pack with seperate Mod sleep sys carrier below the main pack. You are lacking the "Sustainment Pouches" which attach to both sides of the main pack body, and which really augment easy-to-access capacity. FWIW, the currently easy and cheap to buy GI assault pack will attach to the whole thing; that's what all those extra buckles are for. Not the greatest assault pack, but not bad, and a worthwhile accessory. Your frame is sand colored, which means––probably–– that is a GTG Gen IV frame. Gooble "Down East+ frames" and compare your frame, closely with the Gen IV frame to make sure.
TZapp  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 8:35:43 PM

Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By TZapp:

Originally Posted By raf:
No sweat. Just post a good pic of the dorsal side of the pack.

ETA: just saw pix. Flip up the top flap so I can see the entire front of the pack.

The second pic shows the large ruck with the flap up. If it isnt clear i will stuff it then snap another pic. It is collapsed a bit at the moment. The zipper shown there is the only outside compartment on the ruck. It is the only zipper as well.


OK, looks to be a type I MOLLE pack with seperate Mod sleep sys carrier below the main pack. You are lacking the "Sustainment Pouches" which attach to both sides of the main pack body, and which really augment easy-to-access capacity. FWIW, the currently easy and cheap to buy GI assault pack will attach to the whole thing; that's what all those extra buckles are for. Not the greatest assault pack, but not bad, and a worthwhile accessory. Your frame is sand colored, which means––probably–– that is a GTG Gen IV frame. Gooble "Down East+ frames" and compare your frame, closely with the Gen IV frame to make sure.
Do you mean one of these packs?
I picked up this pack from tenewel in the EE section of the forums. I bought it for my wife to carry the stuff that will not fit in my ruck. We both packed them out this weekend and hoofed it about 1 mile. Both the packs held up well and didnt feel uncomfortable at all. My only complaint with either would be the lack of a padded belt with the Assault pack, but i dont think it was designed to have it.


The frame looks like the gen IV frame from what I can see. I will order the sustainment pouches in the next week or two. I have had alot of funds going out recently. I need a week or two to recoup some of it.

ETA: My cat will not pass up a Kodak moment

raf  [Site Staff]
4/18/2011 8:49:11 PM
Yeah, that's it. It will attach to the dorsal side of the main pack all right.

You seem GTG. There are some MOLLE manuals on-line, and you can google them. The original versions, showing the MOLLE I waistbelt/pack interface are still GTG for the later seperate frame MOLLE units, as the packs and accessories are still the same.
TZapp  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 9:15:16 PM

Originally Posted By raf:
Yeah, that's it. It will attach to the dorsal side of the main pack all right.

You seem GTG. There are some MOLLE manuals on-line, and you can google them. The original versions, showing the MOLLE I waistbelt/pack interface are still GTG for the later seperate frame MOLLE units, as the packs and accessories are still the same.
Thank you for the info. Its nice to get pointers from people who have BTDT. I am going to pick up another Assault pack in the DCU pattern so i can use it in the car for a GHB. These things are built to last!!

I also have a TC3®-V2/CLS on the way from tenewel. I will use it for my main FAK and have IFAK type kits on each of my secondary packs and GHB.

Thanks!!

raf  [Site Staff]
4/18/2011 9:30:04 PM
glad I could help.
TxRabbitBane  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 9:58:21 PM
holy cow, if you plan on filling up the molle2 ruck, 2 sustainment pouches, plus an assault pack strapped on, you can damned sure carry more junk with you than I want to ...
TZapp  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 10:25:40 PM

Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
holy cow, if you plan on filling up the molle2 ruck, 2 sustainment pouches, plus an assault pack strapped on, you can damned sure carry more junk with you than I want to ...
Haha! i carried it this weekend with 50lbs in it. It was maxed out as far as capacity. That didnt include an assault pack or the 2 sustainment packs. I had 2 commercial grade sleeping bags, 2 changes of clothes, toiletries, meds, 4 person tent, alcohol stove and fuel, mess kit, LCD dvd player, Streamlight Waypoint and xtra batteries, and my dry box containing a firestarting kit with tinder.

I weighed without the ruck and then again with it and the difference was 50lbs. The only other thing I would add in the future is freeze dried food like Mountian House.

I am getting a lighter weight tent (better quality too) and lighter sleeping bags for the wife and me.

All of the clothes I packed were jeans and jeans shorts, Cotton tees, socks, and underwear, and an extra carhart leather belt. In the future i will buy some lightweight hiking clothes, synthetic underwear, and wool socks.

All of the stuff we took was thrown together in just a few hours notice. We decided to go camping on Friday night so I went by Walmart and bought the tent and 1 more sleeping bag on the cheap

I wouldnt want to have to carry 50lbs for an exteneded period of time, but I could do it if the need should arise. I walk alot every day at my job.
TxRabbitBane  [Team Member]
4/19/2011 9:01:17 AM
Originally Posted By TZapp:

Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
holy cow, if you plan on filling up the molle2 ruck, 2 sustainment pouches, plus an assault pack strapped on, you can damned sure carry more junk with you than I want to ...
Haha! i carried it this weekend with 50lbs in it. It was maxed out as far as capacity. That didnt include an assault pack or the 2 sustainment packs. I had 2 commercial grade sleeping bags, 2 changes of clothes, toiletries, meds, 4 person tent, alcohol stove and fuel, mess kit, LCD dvd player, Streamlight Waypoint and xtra batteries, and my dry box containing a firestarting kit with tinder.

I weighed without the ruck and then again with it and the difference was 50lbs. The only other thing I would add in the future is freeze dried food like Mountian House.

I am getting a lighter weight tent (better quality too) and lighter sleeping bags for the wife and me.

All of the clothes I packed were jeans and jeans shorts, Cotton tees, socks, and underwear, and an extra carhart leather belt. In the future i will buy some lightweight hiking clothes, synthetic underwear, and wool socks.

All of the stuff we took was thrown together in just a few hours notice. We decided to go camping on Friday night so I went by Walmart and bought the tent and 1 more sleeping bag on the cheap

I wouldnt want to have to carry 50lbs for an exteneded period of time, but I could do it if the need should arise. I walk alot every day at my job.


You can easily get >100lbs in a setup like that.... I'll lug 50# around for the wife and kids for a short time, but 100# would require full-on refugee status (or worse).
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