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 Food grade plastic barrel question?
HighLighter  [Member]
1/6/2010 12:36:17 PM EST
New blue plastic 55 gal barrels. How do you know if they are food grade plastic?
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ag04blast  [Member]
1/6/2010 12:44:52 PM EST
Whoever you are buying them from if they are "Food Grade" then they are. Not being smart, but if they arent they wont/or shouldnt sell them as food grade.

http://www.bayteccontainers.com/
HighLighter  [Member]
1/6/2010 12:51:59 PM EST
I'm wondering if there is a code number on the bottom of the barrel like with 5 gal buckets that identify them as "food grade". Trust but verify? False advertising? I'm a little paranoid.
ag04blast  [Member]
1/6/2010 12:59:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By HighLighter:
I'm wondering if there is a code number on the bottom of the barrel like with 5 gal buckets that identify them as "food grade". Trust but verify? False advertising? I'm a little paranoid.


Gocha, I use 15gals I can check when I get home if they have markings. They were used for soda syrup storage and smell like doctor pepper. But they clean out nice.
HighLighter  [Member]
1/6/2010 1:03:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By ag04blast:
Originally Posted By HighLighter:
I'm wondering if there is a code number on the bottom of the barrel like with 5 gal buckets that identify them as "food grade". Trust but verify? False advertising? I'm a little paranoid.


Gocha, I use 15gals I can check when I get home if they have markings. They were used for soda syrup storage and smell like doctor pepper. But they clean out nice.


Thanks, I know the code for 5 gal buckets but I'm not sure if it is the same for the drums.

Garand_Shooter  [Dealer]
1/6/2010 2:19:21 PM EST
Use caution- just because it was made as food grade does not mean it was used in that manner. Unless the seller will verify the previous use, I would consider any barrel, no matter what markings, to be unfit for food.

I know a local facility that gets food grade barrels and uses them for used antifreeze and oil, for example. If somebody washed the old antifreeze out I still wouldn't want to put food in it.
Sniperbait  [Team Member]
1/6/2010 2:28:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By HighLighter:
Originally Posted By ag04blast:
Originally Posted By HighLighter:
I'm wondering if there is a code number on the bottom of the barrel like with 5 gal buckets that identify them as "food grade". Trust but verify? False advertising? I'm a little paranoid.


Gocha, I use 15gals I can check when I get home if they have markings. They were used for soda syrup storage and smell like doctor pepper. But they clean out nice.


Thanks, I know the code for 5 gal buckets but I'm not sure if it is the same for the drums.



There is no code on the bottom of 5 gallon pails that tell you they are food grade.

The difference between FG and Non FG is the recycled plastic content and the FG release agent in the injection mold.
FG equals about 4-5% of pails. Manufacturers do special runs of FG because the assembly line has to be sanitized and molds need to be cooled and have the petroleum agents removed. This is why a FG pail costs $8 and a paint pail at Home Depot costs $2



How to tell a FG pail
1. Special order 100 from manufacturer or trusted distributor
2. Buy from trusted reseller
3. Find a source of fresh used pails that are marked, or still contain food (frosting)

If you use non FG pails, it is recommended that you use Mylar pail liners
biere  [Team Member]
1/7/2010 3:14:44 PM EST
I bought some open top 55 gallon barrels that had been used for spaghetti sauce, the sauce is in a big bag but some sauce still gets on the drum here and there so they need cleaned up.

These drums have lids that clamp on.

I personally won't be storing food directly in any barrel. I like bags of food or containers of food that are a more reasonable size.

Even if I keep papertowels in one the paper towels are in their original plastic and that usually goes in another bag, usually just an unused garbage bag, so I can squish some air out and tie the bag shut.

I guess it is somewhere on here I have seen pics of someone with wheat or something stored straight in a drum and I guess I could consider that if I wanted that much wheat in one container but as a single guy I would be dividing it up in mylar bags or something probably.

For me to store food in a drum with no liner I would have to be buying the drum brand spanking new and be buying it as advertised for food useage.

And even then, I might go wih a liner.

I am not at that level of preps yet since I rent my home and I just moved so having a few tons of preps can really suck when moving.
IndyGrendel63  [Member]
1/7/2010 3:43:59 PM EST
I work for a pharmaceutical manufacturer and we use high (food?) grade plastic and other barrels. Some of the chemicals come to us from the manufacturers in these drums and we also put the blended materials into these drums while we process them. They are usually double lined with heavy plastic bags, but like it was mentioned previously I would not consider using them for anything more than a very nice garbage can. Even after being cleaned with some of the strong cleaning agents we use you can still smell the original chemicals in the drums. Plastics do tend to absorb things so I would be cautious about using them unless (and even then with caution) you could actually verify what was in those drums previously.

Just my .02

Indy
HighLighter  [Member]
1/8/2010 6:05:24 PM EST
Here's my situation. I found a local container company who has blue 55 gal barrels for water storage for sale. They told me they are new and I went to look at them in there wearhouse and they had LOTS of them stacked up and they appeared to have never been used.

They may be new plastic but as posted above how do you know what grade that plastic is except the word of the seller? Is there no way of telling?
paul1911  [Life Member]
1/8/2010 6:18:28 PM EST
If you are buying a NEW barrel, you can ask the supplier for a certificate of analysis (COA). This should have the resin type and the certification that it is food grade. It will have the lot number on it. You may get some flak for asking for it, but if you were buying a truck load of these for a food plant, they would give it to you.
odontia32m  [Team Member]
1/8/2010 8:46:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By biere:
I bought some open top 55 gallon barrels that had been used for spaghetti sauce, the sauce is in a big bag but some sauce still gets on the drum here and there so they need cleaned up.

These drums have lids that clamp on.

I personally won't be storing food directly in any barrel. I like bags of food or containers of food that are a more reasonable size.

Even if I keep papertowels in one the paper towels are in their original plastic and that usually goes in another bag, usually just an unused garbage bag, so I can squish some air out and tie the bag shut.

I guess it is somewhere on here I have seen pics of someone with wheat or something stored straight in a drum and I guess I could consider that if I wanted that much wheat in one container but as a single guy I would be dividing it up in mylar bags or something probably.

For me to store food in a drum with no liner I would have to be buying the drum brand spanking new and be buying it as advertised for food useage.

And even then, I might go wih a liner.

I am not at that level of preps yet since I rent my home and I just moved so having a few tons of preps can really suck when moving.


Hey where do you get your barrels like that?

Serious answer as said by others.



#1 They should have HDPE and a triangle on the bottom
#2 You should trust the source.
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