The perfect Bug Out Bag/ Bug Out Guns?? You like my idea?

I recently started getting into the tactical scene. I mostly hunted as a child. Now I am buying guns that are more tactical and target shooting style. After talking with a friend at work, I was wondering what the perfect guns to take with you when SHTF?

Tell me what you think, this is my idea so far:

(Just guns not the rest of the bug out gear)

1 - 9mm pistol
2 - AR15 with 2 uppers
a. 5.56 with a 1-4x scope
b. 6.5 grendal with a 4-16 or 5-20 scope
3 - 22 pistol or 22 rifle(10/22)

that way I can have a small gun for hunting if I need to, a 9mm for up close work, 5.56 for 100-250m, and the 6.5 grendal for 250-1000m


does that sound like its a good idea or am i missing something, i figure with that I can be a threat from 0-1000m




COMMMENT PLEASE!!!

Me I am packing up

2 AR's one for me one for my g/f
1 M1a
4 pistols 9mm or 45 2 for me 2 for my g/f

Have fun carrying all of that

The way I see it you would have to bring... let me count... 4 different types of ammunition with you. Are you bugging out via car? Are you staying at home? Are you planning on taking this with you in your pack?

The only way I would recommend the setup you suggested is if you were bugging in and staying in one place. For all the other choices I think it would be wiser to consolidate to fewer calibers. Especially if space is a concern, I would probably go with the 9mm pistol concealed (So you don't have to carry it with you in your pack), the 5.56 AR (Ammo is cheap and can be found easily), and possibly a 22 rifle but thats only if you have transportation.

I HIGHLY doubt many people will be engaging targets out to 1000 yards (250 is still pretty long too) so I dont think you would benefit at all by going to the Grendel.

This topic has been discussed to DEATH. Check out the survival section on the boards here for some more information and do a search function.

Hope I helped,

-HB65

+1 Is that all you are carrying (no food or supplies).

The pistol could be any caliber you are comfortable with. 9mm is certainly adequate. The optics could be 1-4x or unmagnified or unmagnified with a separate magnifier or 4x ACOG with an offset mini red dot..... How you set up your sights is your business but it should be durable. No real need for a really long range rifle in most survival situations, I think.~ 65 grain soft points should suffice for pretty much any defensive or hunting need that might arise. Anything outside the capabilities of that load are probably not justified by the extra weight of a separate upper, sight, and ammo. A can might be useful, especially for low profile hunting.


*these considerations are all assuming that you might end up on foot, as implied by the term "bug out." If you are just looking at what to have for a fixed location, go nuts. Don't forget a shotgun and a more powerful (.308, etc.) rifle for hunting.

Throwing in the truck. If we are talking foot that is another situation.

M1a for me
AR for my gf
2 pistols 9mm one for me one for her
Knifes for both
Standard go kit for food water and supplies.

For bugging out on foot:
AR15 with 1-4x scope and .22lr conversion
9mm compact pistol
.22lr pistol

Suppressors for all

If you have to bug out, you'll have limited space and hands to carry stuff. Here is what I have planned.

1) AR-15 with 1 loaded mag and sling
2) Remington 870 with 8 rnds 00 loaded with scabbard
3) Glock 23 with one loaded mag
4) Machete, 2 knifes and a hatchet
5) 30 cal ammo can with 150 rnds 556, 25 rnds 12ga buckshot, 20 rnds 12ga slug and 150 rnds 40 cal
6) bug out bag (internal frame hiking pack) - one set of cloths, 4 pairs of socks, 2 pairs undies, sleeping bag, small tent, water purifier, extra filters, 60 protein bars and pair of glasses (I need lasik!)
7) Tac vest with 5 loaded AR mags and 3 loaded Glock mags
8) 75 rnd 12ga bandoleer
9) Henry 22 rifle (optional)

I'll scavenge from there on out or die trying.

ETA...I need a first aid kit.

Wait, you're gonna CARRY all that? Have you tried to carry all of that for even one mile?

1 - 9mm pistol with a can
2 - AR15 with 2 uppers
3 - 22 pistol or 22 rifle(10/22)

i would be in a truck, most likely, but i live in new orleans, i guess i used the wrong term, not so much "bugging out", if katrina happens again, then the set up i explained is what I want thinking.

If loaded properly, it shouldn't be a problem. Most of the stuff goes in the pack. AR/870 - one slinged and one in hand. Glock on the hip. Extra mags are in the vest; which you are wearing. Machete attched to the pack. Hachet in a holster on your belt. Knives are small pocket/boot knives. 30 cal can is not that big. Henry optional. May be a bit heavy, but I don't see why it is not do-able.

The .22LR AR conversion people, a question? Wouldn't it be better to carry a scoped 10-22? About the same weight and if your AR lower goes south, you still have a means of self defense.

On foot?
M4gry
Glock 17

In a car?
then add:
12 Gauge 870
10-22
AR-10

.22lr conversions don't work with .300 Blacksnot barrels.

If you don't see why, then you need to get out and try it. Seriously.

Wait a darn minute here..that's what I'm packing....

It's simply a weight issue. A 10/22 would be more practical and useful but also heavier and larger. If you think the extra size and weight is worth the redundancy, better accuracy, etc. than that's the way to go for you.

im no expert, but that does sound like a lot of shit to carry

i am thinking i would have to stay in place for another Katrina

so
ar15 - 5.56
10/22
870
9mm pistol

that should be good

You might want to test that out sooner than later - I'm going to follow you and pickup the stuff you start peeling off after a mile or two...


ETA - If I have to leave I'm carrying my 9mm with 4 mags and a Keltec SUB 2000. If there is a fight to be had I'm implementing the NIKE defense. The pistol is for those situations I can't run my way out of and the Kel tec is for hunting small game. If I can bug-in, well that's a whole different situation.

You could carry an empty pack and a canteen of water and probably end up fairly well stocked. It's funny how there seems to be an inverse relationship between how much a person thinks they can carry and how much they can.

If I'm bugging out on foot I'm carrying one handgun, one belt knife and a pocket knife, MAYBE the lighter of my two AR's with the red dot. A few spare mags for the guns carried. That's about the extent of the fighting related stuff. If things are so crazy I feel a need for more than that I'm not walking and I'm probably not going anywhere at all.

If you're carrying it, less is more. If it's by vehicle, *shrug* take as much as you can pack in

Suppose you have to hike a single mile carrying that stuff. yes just one mile. find a place you can load all that crap up and hike a mile. just one. SERIOUSLY, I did my first hike with my first BOB and decided that 12 gauge was stupid. I went with my keltec 9mm and light weight AR, aimpoint, 3 mags, water, food, and clothes(serious concern up here).

Yup. I have a lot of stuff in my vehicle BOB that I'd probably ditch if I had to hoof it. I've spent a little quality time with a ruck and here's what I learned:

I drink A LOT of water. If I'm not following a water buffalo, I need to pack A LOT of water.
Ain't nothing as important as good boots and good socks.
You don't need the shit you think you do. Really, you need food, water, and maybe ammo.
It doesn't matter how cold it is while you're humping. It only matters when you stop. Keep that woobie handy.
Being wet absolutely sucks, hot or cold. Keep a poncho handy.

As for me I plan on taking my AK-47 with 6 mags, my TT-33 with 5 mags and my Ruger MKIII 22/45 with 4 mags and a bulk pack of ammo. Any more than that I am going to die anyways. I learned a good lesson in the Marines, when you have to carry all your gear less is more. I want more space for water and food so I will not fill that space up with ammo that is going to be heavy.

On foot:
M4gery + 9 mags
Glovk19 + 6 mags
With all the other stuff I am humping that is all I can handle. Either some of you guys are Superman or you have never carried all you say your going to carry.


Car + what I am taking on foot
Mossberg 590
Hk45C
Ruger 10/22

Consider this stolen . Unless there's abosofuckinglutely nowhere to run to, you'll have to follow the vapor trail to find me if the shooting starts!


Words of wisdom; some of the posts here speak loudly of inexperience. If I'm humping it, it will be necessities only, and an arsenal is not necessary.


Since you're packing "heavy", you might as well make it an MICU, I don't think the level of care you're going to need that first day can be had out of a first aid kit.

Handgun of your choice. If you're comfortable with 9mm, go for it. There's a lot to be said for that handgun also being your EDC. It that weight is already a normal part of you, it ain't extra.

6.5 Grendel will handle anything from the muzzle to as far as you can reasonably shoot. No need for anything else. You don't need a .223 if You've got a 6.5, and you don't need a .308. The 6.5 will adequately mimic both.

Don't fall into the trap of going .223 because you think you'll be finding it on street corners abandoned. What you've got when you leave the house is probably what you'll have for the duration, and don't automatically assume that you'll never get in a confrontation that's more than a couple of hundred yards.

If you really feel you need a .22, a 10-22 can be made pretty light if you get some of the aftermarket stocks and such. Don't they also make a pencil barrel version? I haven't been paying much attention to the 10-22 world lately, and my specimen is twenty+ years old.

For pot hunting, a Buckmark or Ruger with a can, if you can afford it make a lot of sense, as it will still take the little critters, though you sacrifice some range over the .22 rifle.

If I have to bug out, I'm leaving the shotguns behind, as well as the large caliber hunting rifles and magnum revolvers. My 6.5 with all the toys on it is under 9 pounds, including magnifier, red dot, and BUIS and will allow me to engage from bellybutton lint in the barrel to as far out as I can see to adequately pick out targets.

2 types of ammo (assuming I leave the Buckmark), 2 firearms.

This I like

They make a 2 piece 10/22 now, but no aftermarket parts yet

Guys, lighten up. Literally. Or start humping miles on end under a heavy ruck. There's really no in between on this.

Meant dedicated .22 upper

My question is pretty simple: where are you going with all this stuff?

All the hardware in the world isn't going to help you if you are an overburdened refugee.

After reading this thread, I realize Marsellus Wallace was right.

Just some reference materials for people lol from my real weight thread


These are old pictures i took when someone else was spewing nonsense about carrying a few hundred rounds of shotgun ammo along with a "ton" of other shit.






20 rounds of tap 55gr





22 conversion for the ar







that extra bcg your carrying jic




those 40 extra batteries add up






a lightweight~ 10/22 with one loaded mag






a light~ shotgun empty





some real rifle weights not those fantasies most people post (if you don't see quality scales it's most likely bs)








loaded ar




loaded ak

My BOB has a G17 and three full mags. That's it (as far as weaponry).

I've sacrificed the AR and mags I used to carry for water.

I know I'm going to need the water.



...if I have time to throw stuff in a truck, then I'll add other weapons...but my BOB only has a Glock in it (shrug).

Looks like a good collection to take care of every need. If it were my money, it'd be a 22 rifle & pistol, plus add a shotgun. If leaving by car, pack it all. If you are planning for a Katrina type event and plan on staying, you should be covered for almost anything. If bugging out, leave early. Plan your destination. Some food and water preps would be a good idea, too. Do you currently own these guns or is this the SHTF wishlist?

Perfect? I don't know about that. But, my life is spread out. So, I spread out my out assets. My estate is in Greater Cincinnati in Northern KY. I own a cabin and a mountain in South Eastern KY. I also maintain a townhouse just few blocks from my office in downtown Louisville KY. Most of my assets are in Northern KY. But, most would look and think I have a pretty complete life in Louisville. I keep two cars, two bikes, two complete bug out bags, and two assault cases there along with a well stocked safe. I keep a whole lot more at my estate.

Here are the two assault cases loaded up. Top bag contains a 5.56 AR carbine, 8 mags, a 22 conversion kit, 6 mags, a Browning Buckmark, and 4 mags plus a few boxes of 22 lr. The lower bag has a 9mm AR, 8 mags, a 9mm Sig P226, and 4 mags.



Here are the two bug out bags.

I would love to know the scenario of why you would bug out on foot and leave the arsenal at home. EMP and car doesn't work? WTF? If I'm bugging it is in a vehicle. AR15, Keltec su16, 9mm and all the nine and 223 I can carry. Food, water and gasoline.

i think the point is to go out there with more than a rifle in one hand and your dick in the other. anyway, WTF I'll give it a try and see how hard it would be.

As someone who has carried a lot of heavy shit in not so nice places, I'll tell you right now, you need to rethink this. First off, I did a little pre planning and bought in a rural setting. By no means does this insulate me, but it does give me an edge. Second, I'm going nowhere unless the blue helmets are landing in my front yard, even then, I'll be gone, having the means to gather intel before said event.

IMO, keep the 9, keep the .22 pistol, keep the AR, if you are concerned with reaching out, get a 20" 1-7 twist barrel upper and shoot heavier bullets. Take into account resupply-good luck finding 6.5 Grendel laying around. What makes you think someone at 1000M is even a threat. You a mindreader and can gauge their intentions? By yourself, best thing you can do is evade. Take the money for the Grendel upper and take some classes.

i have about half of it, also i meant a 6.5 grendal upper not a complete rifle

i need the 6.5 upper and the .22lr

and really the point of this was to make sure i am on the right track, I am about to buy a .22, i am not sure if i want a 10/22 or a pistol?!?!?

i am already buying the .22 ammo, i just dont know what i should get, i know the pistol will help me get better at shooting pistol, but the 10/22 has so many options, like an ar15


i am planning on not "bugging out" and fortifying my home, post up for a another katrina with just 3 guns, i feel with that set up, i can touch out to 1000m, really with just the 9mm and the AR with 2 uppers.

the 22 is more for survial if i need to hunt some game by the levees, if they dont bust again. and after reading and watching some video, i true believe the .22lr is under estamated/rated, and i can afford to stock up on tons of 22lr ammo. this is a real situation for me, i didnt realize how import assault rifles are until we actually needed and used an AK47 during katrina, the looting and marshal law was a harsh awakening for me, and if/when it happens again, i will be the last one worried

Go back and read Lonewarrior's post above yours. There is no need to reach out to 1k in a defensive scenario. Thus you do not NEED a 6.5 upper. If you're bugging in, a big bore upper may be of some benefit as compared to a 6.5. Having a .458 socom upper would be great at stopping vehicular threats in your neighborhood. It's your money though.

I'd say a 10/22 would be better than a .22 pistol if you can only have one AND you are bugging in. With this, weight isn't an issue and the extra velocity may come in handy. Plus it'd be easier to score hits with a rifle no matter your target.

For a bug-in event, an AR-15 or 12ga. shotgun should be fine.
Throw in a concealed pistol for when/if you need to go outside.

.22 is nice for practice and/or small game hunting.

There is NO NEED for exotic or expensive firearms for a situation like that. If you are looking at deterring looters, gangs, etc, pretty much any service-caliber repeating firearm can fit the bill (semi-auto is preferred by most).

Define self defense. If you define it as keeping yourself alive, it's possible that battling starvation might just come into play. And sometimes, defeating that bastard requires some long assed shots.

In any case, I'm mystified why so many people think you can't shoot a 6.5 at less than a thousand meters. Do the bullets somehow come out the end of the barrel insubstantial and only manifest in the physical world as they pass 500 meters?

In my own case, I did agree that there was only the need for a single rifle. I just opted for the ability to fulfill BOTH roles rather than simply dismissing the one that didn't fit my pet scenario.

Yes, you only need one upper. Were it me, I'd make it a 6.5. In fact, I did

Self defense is one thing, but 1000m? I guarantee 99.99% of people could not hit anything at that distance unless they were real lucky. The guy at 1000m is taking pot shots at you with his lever action? Precision rifle? If he's not shooting, you just going to blow away some guy just because he's armed and you think he may be a threat or you need to eat? Hope you have some good glass to even see that far. Maybe his family is in a tent not far away and he's out looking for water. The money would be better spent on classes to hone the skills he needs.

I didn't say you couldn't, I asked why. I'm sure 6.5G performs wonderfully, but it is a non standard round. Unless you reload, how easy is it to find in a store? So, he's going to hump 5.56 ammo and 6.5G ammo? After he expends all of his 6.5G ammo, the upper just became a heavy, unusable piece that needs to be carried around or dropped. I still stand by my advice of a 20" 1/7 twist upper and carry a 20 round mag of 75 or 77 grain rounds in case a long shot is called for.

I should invite you over just to see you carry all that just for the laughs. We'll just walk around the flat ground of the farm for a few hours, then head into the woods for a few more.

If I'm bugging out in my truck.....I'm taking all of them....

If I had to bug out on foot to save my and my families lives...

I would be carrying 6 to 8 AR mags. More if I am engaging bad guys just to leave the house. No extra rounds. 2 spare pistol mags. No extra rounds. My GF would get my 10/22 with a few 25 round mags and some ten round mags. She would also carry a pistol with a couple mags.

The kids would be carrying nothing but clothes, food, water, and more water. Maybe some redundant gear, but not much.

The only reason I would take to walking would be in case of extensive road blocks impeding my path to safety. Then we would have to abandon the vehicle to go over land to move on.

The OP needs to stop buying 22lr ammunition. The rifle you buy should choose the ammo. Not you. 22lr can be picky eaters. Buy a rifle and see what works in it with the best accuracy. I would hate for you to have difficulty actually hitting game cause you rifle hates whatever bulk pack shit you bought 10,000 rds of.

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