Range bag: a Fudd just shot you....

Do you have what you need to make it back alive?


Reason I'm asking: I shoot at a public range around ~30 min away from any emergency medical treatment, and the more I think about it, the less I think I would have a chance... So... What do you have to deal with this scenario?? And what should I be rushing to buy??

look up " blow out kits" and get the skills to use it properly.

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Exact situation has happened while I was at a public range. medical help was 45 mins away. I didn't have anything with me and neither did the three guys who were down the line who were Ranger qualified and neither did the registered Nurse.
The guy died.
In reality though, the way he was shot, he woulda still been up shit creek even if he was laying in the Operating room when it happened.

ETA: the range has since been closed but I still shoot at a different public range that is probably just as far away.

That's what I'm afraid of. Definitely going to be lookin at some "blow out kits"... I'm strongly considering medical training aswell to go along with my firearms training this summer

I have often thought about this,I have a basic kit with some extra's. Upgrading the kit it is not a problem.
Where can you get the type of training to use a blow out kit?Red Cross?

I keep a med bag in my POV.
If they shot me they were trespassing on private land.

I keep gauze, a Israeli field dressing, a tourniquet, and a few other items in my trunk at all times. They never leave.

I'm seriously looking now and it seems so be slim to none. Short of goin to a community college and taking classes there, which is not what I'm trying to do....

USMC Combat First Aid Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nRylQ-mJgI&feature=player_embedded

IFAK A1 Component Individual First Aid Kit - NSN 6545-01-539-2740 (includes the following items)

(1) 3.5 oz. Quikclot Packet - NSN 6510-01-499-9285 - Chinook
(2) TK4 Tourni-Kwik Self-Application Tourniquet 40" - NSN 6515-01-542-7696 Source - Chinook
(2) "H" Compression Bandage w/8" x 10" Ab Pad - NSN 6510-01-540-6484 - Source - Chinook
(2) Primed Compressed Gauze 4.5" x 4.1 yards - NSN 6510-01-503-2117 - Source - Chinook

IFAK A1 Minor First Aid Kit Component NSN 6545-01-539-2737 (includes the following items):
(5) Adhesive Bandage 2" x 4 1/2" - NSN 6510-01-514-4518 - Walmart/Drug Store
(10) Adhesive Bandages, 3/4" x 3" - NSN 6510-00-913-7909 - Walmart/Drug Store
(2) Triangular Bandages, 40"x40"x56" Non-sterile - NSN 6510-00-201-1755 - Source - Chinook
(1) Combat Reinforcement Tape 2" x 100" - NSN 6510-01-549-0927 - Source - Progressive Medical
(1) Burn Dressing 4" x 16", Water-Jel - NSN 6510-01-243-5894 - Source - Chinook
(8) Bacitracin Antibiotic Ointment 0.9 gram - Walmart/Drug Store
(1) Povidone-Iodine Topical Solution USP 10% 1/2 fl oz. - NSN 6505-00-914-3593 - Walmart/Drug Store
(1) Water Purification Tablets 10 Pack, Katadyn Micropur, Sodium Chlorite - NSN 6850-00-985-7166 - Source - Chinook

I carry my BOK and a spare IZZY every time I am out in the woods, especially hunting. Otherwise, one is on my kit and I keep one in my trunk.

There was a thread here a few months ago where someone was shot or a bad malfunction or something. I seem to recall there was an Arfcommer who was well prepared for the situation.

J

Here's a link to a prepackaged kit. You don't have to buy this complete kit, you can part it out but it's a good suggestion for a blow out kit.

Milwaukee/ECHO kit

I would add some 4x4 gauze, tape (duct tape works), and one of those emergency blankets (good to have if your patient gets cold. It also can be used to keep blowing dust off of him) Obviously, you need some instruction on how to use the various items.

The tourniquet listed in this kit is a good one but if you're on a budget, look at the SWAT-T tourniquet.


Here's a pouch that's on clearance at Specter Gear. You can only get it in black but it's a good price:

MOLLE/PALS IFAK pouch

I have a blow out kit in every car. Driving is way up on the list of things to kill you.

Having a good first aid kit available is good, but sometimes bad things happen and nothing can be done. Even trained doctors with state-of-the-art emergency rooms lose some patients. That's not saying you shouldn't even try, but you should be ready for what happens, and that includes people dying.

This ^^^^^^
RLTW

True, I'm just trying to make myself last an hour before bleeding out...

If a 'Fudd' shot you, it was likely with a hunting rifle and softpoints. Good chance are you are dead.

More likely, you were shot by some tactical ninja with his Glock and WWB from Walmart or less likely, his DPMS Tapco'ed AR with Federal FMJs (also from Walmart).

Rifle injuries are much less common than handgun injuries, and very often fatal despite any tacticool first aid kits you may have strapped on your tier one battle belt.

A cool head, the knowledge of how and where to apply direct pressure, and a cell phone are your best bet.

Yeah, not very glamourous.

If you have to buy something, buy a surplus .mil IFAK.

Cut myself with a serrated blade of a multi-tool while at the range with another ARfcomer.

Showed up at the ER like this:



Left with looking like this:



note- stitches were out before this photo.


protip- Wives do not like calls from the ER, when they know their husband is going to the range.

I have an IFAK in my truck and I always have my truck. The place I shoot is in range of cell towers so I could call in a "9 line."

Many of the shooting schools offer classes on using your blow out kit: For Example.

I have a full med kit in my truck at all times. My range bag has a blow out kit in it at all times. All of my grab and go bags have blow out kits either in them or on the molle belt/vest. MY ATV has a kit in it, as do all of our recreational vehicles. If there's one thing that we over-do, its medical preps. When you need them, the clock is usually ticking and every second you can get treatment started sooner, the better the outcome is going to be.

And its not just about running out and buying shit - GET TRAINING. I'm blessed to be married to an RN and still I take all the classes I can. My worst case scenario is that SHE is the patient and he life is in my hands. I wanna know that I have both the SKILLS and the ITEMS needed for her or my kids survival.

Its the best prep you can do with day to day, real world applications.

When out in the woods shooting with the guys we have designated Med kits.

There are at least 2.

Mine is a big 20mm Ammo can marked as medical. It's got a big bulk first aid kit in it with all the normal silly BS stuff: Band Aids, aspirin, typical first aid crap.

On top of that when you first open the kit are 4 Kits like This One with quick clot, a Tourni and bandage. (that's not the actual kit but close, I don't remeber were I got the kit's I have).

In my car/go bag is another one of the above kits.

Read up on basic first aid. Chances are if you get shot at the range by a 338LM you're toast no matter what.....

A life insurance policy for you family.

Bandaids, pressure dressings, and a pair of tourniquets. If it's in your chest and it was with a hunting caliber and soft point, it won't matter unless it's a grazing injury.

If it's an extremity and bleeding arterially or heavily, I personally wouldn't fuck around with anything but a tourniquet and beating feet to the hospital. 30 minutes with a tourniquet on will not impact limb viability. If it's not bleeding heavily or arterially, you'll be fine, just apply and maintain direct pressure then drive urgently there.

These should be in any range bag.


http://cavalryarms.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CA&Product_Code=PTK&Category_Code=EMS1

Good thread

blow out kit go's everyplace i go...... it's attached to my bag go's everyplace bag

I've had a basic kit in my range bag since day one. Admittedly, I would barely know what to do with half the stuff if I needed it. I can cover the bases, but Im not about to go clamping severed arteries or anything. Id probably do more harm then good. Until I get time and money to afford the proper training, Im just gonna have to hope someone around knows more than me.

I keep a similar kit in my truck/bag.



I've been meaning to add Quick Clot or something of the like but theres so many variants Im always hesitant on which to purchase. (While Im thinking about it.) Can someone point out which one would be best for a blow out type injury? Or tell me if thats a bad idea. It would be appreciated.

tag

Interesting

I don't shot around retards, but I still have the kit to not die if needed

formal training? the EMT-T course is the best thing i've been to ($$), but you have to be affiliated with an EMS provider or LEO

informal? get with a SWAT medic or army medic/corpsman/PJ. they can teach you the bare bones minimum and show you how to use everything you'll ever need

ETA: in my experience having the training and knowledge base is more important than a snazzy IFAK (although they come in handy). tourniquets are made out of rags and sticks every day, but if you don't know where or how to use it you're probably not much help.

ETA2: the SWAT-T tourniquets are stupid easy to use and can be had for about $10. if you have a physical therapy place nearby a length of the toughest rubber band thingys they have will work, but i wouldn't bet your life on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KypMY7Ng6ak

the CAT tourniquet is the bee's knees and is also very simple to use. for fast application while prone/behind cover/in darkness/etc you can't beat it.

http://www.narescue.com/C-A-T_-_Combat_Application_Tourniquet-CN33B7051138B3.html

after that some gauze, a few triangle bandages, a couple airways, and a pediatric BVM should cover most stuff. if you can hook up with a paramedic or someone that services AEDs the expired defibrillator pads are good for cheap occlusive dressings

getting to the hospital is the main thing....you make it there and most likely life is good. Most limb salvage surgery is good and the new prostheses out now are better than my current ankles and knees

Tourniquet time is not the issue to worry about...you will be alive when you get there...most ERs/EDs can resuscitate you,none can resurrect you.

I would suggest that Those without the training check in with your local Fire Dept or Ambulance service. The should be able to point you in the right direction for first aid training. The CPR/community first aid class will give you most of the basics. There is another program called PHTLS (pre hospital trauma life support) that has a lay person component.
NAEMT link
This link should give you a place to start looking for contact numbers in your local area.
Neither of the lay person courses should cost you very much money.

Your beest preparation will be awareness. In my experience it's not the Fudd's I have to worry about. Most settle in and bang away about 6 times with the 30-30 and they are good to go. The dangerous ones are often the tacticool idiots. Too busy trying to impress everyone with their superior knowledge, and uber cool rapid fire skills. When I spot a clown, I pack up and leave.

I usually have on the bench a small FAK including the contents of a VOK, at a minimum. My vehicle has a NARP CCRK Squad kit in case of multiple injuries.

Yes I definitely keep medical supplies handy. Just as everyone has said, the basic blow out kit is really "all you need". I keep some tourniquets (CAT, SOF-T), bunch of ETD's (Isreali's) including the ones with the mobile pads (makes sense to me), some aschermans chest seals (upgrade to bolins soon?), angio cath to decompress, iodine/chloraprep, 4x4's and kerlix, some NPA's, and a plenty of other random goodies like steristrips and boo boo stuff. This is always at a minimum in the car with me, though if at the range it comes along inside. I still need to get some hemostatic agents and a few other things, though for now it's adequate.

On a side note, I'd make sure to have plenty of "boo boo" stuff in your bag, as this is the shit you're likely going to use. On that note, make sure to have some none latex bandages/gloves. You never know who might need your help and what said individual might be allergic to. Went to a range with a physician and a nurse, a piece of jacket came back and took a really good chuck out of the nurses hand. Poor girl was bleeding like a stuck pig. Ran and grabbed the bag, busted out some 4x4, AB ointment, tape, and bandaids. Luckily I had non latex bandages etc, otherwise we could have sent this poor girl to the hospital with something a lot more serious than a piece of copper jacket where skin used to be.

The first aid kit in my range bag has, among other things:

2 Israeli bandages
2 rolls of 3" gauze
several sets of prepackaged stacks of gauze pads sandwiched between non-adherent pads
one Quick-Clot gauze patch, about 4" x 4"
scissors to get to the wound

I keep an identical kit in my desk at work, since it's really a toss-up of which place I'm more likely to be shot at.

Yep. SHTF sucks. I carry blow out kits friken everywhere, but if I get shot, I'd want a friend with EMT-B training minimum to be thier to bail my ass out. I'm EMT-B trained, but that doesn't do me much good if I'm the one hit. Also, gonna need another dude to secure the shooter and pull security. Did I mention SHTF sucks?

ETA Do you understand any of this? Knowledge/training is the most valuable tool. The mind is the final weapon.

You can have all the training in the world paired with vast knowledge and still find yourself SOL. For example: I'm a licensed paramedic but while working on my fire department I can only use First Responder skills due to state law and my department's license. If some one is injured beyond the capabilities of our vehicles medical supplies, my paramedic knowledge and skills are all but useless.

Translate that to a GSW on the range. If bleeding cannot be controlled by direct pressure, tourniquet, elevation and pressure points, there is nothing I can do. Same as if the wound is center mass. The victim will most likely go into shock in both of the previously mentioned cases and some cases will go into shock from lesser wounds. Without IV and fluid replacement therapy the victim with most likely perish from hemmoraghic/cardiac shock due to massive blood loss.

Unless you are lucky enough to obtain IVs and IV fluid, you are SOL once the GSW victim begins to slip into decompensated hemmoraghic/cardiac shock.

Exactly. In SHTF, everyone dies sooner or later. Even if you get fluids in them, you still need evac ASAP, at which point you'll likely face legal SHTF. To preppers: If you can't save the life of the deer you just shot, you couldn't save you buddy's life in the same time limit.

It truly depends on the type, location and severity of the wounds of which a signicant factor(s) are bullet type, caliber and range. A through and through GSW to an extremity caused by an FMJ type projectile will be easier to treat and far more survivable, provided it misses major vessels, than a wound to the same extremity caused by a hollow or soft point bullet that doesn't go through and through or strikes a major vessel.

There are so many variables involved when treating a GSW, it's hard to put out a blanket statement saying: "this is how they must be treated"

True, but its a fudd and he just shot me with a (presumably) soft point. I'm gonna moon him on my way up.

Best thing to have is a cell phone.

You can improvise dressings and tourniquets.

This. Even if the bleeding is rapidly controlled, odds are you will still need some sort of definitive care.

Just from the few articles I just read this is a pretty cool website. I especially liked the one on TPT but they did not offer a solution. But I guess identifying problems/short comings is a good first step. This will definitely be bookmarked for further review

Its ran by a former Green Beret medic. Most of it goes over my head.

These can be bought for less than $20 and are worth having.

I've got a little more than just that kit inside another vacuumed sealed bag. I threw in more gloves, 6" Israeli bandage, trauma scissors, athletic tape, etc.
But like everyone said, at least get some training so you won't have to read the directions on what to do while you or your loved ones bleed to death.

Training and knowledge are key but don't go beyond a basic First Responder/Emergency Medical Responder unless your going to get a job in the field. Anything beyond FR/EMR will be be overkill. The average civilian can't get their hands on the equipment that would make the higher level training worth while. FR/EMR will cover just about everything you will need to know to get you through 90% of the situations you as a prepper will encounter.

I'm EMT-B and would do it again in a heartbeat. Not in the business, but the knowledge is worth more than gold to me. Not to mention it is one of the better preps, even if we never see large scale SHTF. A car accident, a diabetic relative, a old relative who has a stroke or heart attack, etc all make it a worthwhile prep.

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