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 Long-term alcohol storage: Plastic degrading?
solution_zero  [Team Member]
6/9/2010 1:00:03 PM EST
My buddy and I were discussing this last week. Neither of us drink, but we have some liquor around to possible barter stock. He has a few pints and half-pints, and all have plastic lids. I figured they'd last fine, but some are even plastic bottles. Are there any risks, long term, for whiskey in plastic bottles? I will be buying glass only, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask.

Also, do you feel the pint or half-pint to be better for said purpose?
I'm partial to the "smaller denominations" theory, but a pint is fairly small.
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skunkwerx  [Member]
6/9/2010 1:12:11 PM EST
Probably is OK. People keep liquor for decades,
it seems the manufacturers would warn if a container wasn't good for storage??
Calling the manufacturer might give you some piece of mind.

Me, personally, I'd try to buy it in glass, since it's time proven.

You might want to consider having some smaller vessels so that you can sell...errrr...barter as little as a shot, 4 ozs, 8ozs...and so on.
Some small empty glass bottles with screw on tops would be a good way to divvy it up into smaller servings for barter.


troy808  [Member]
6/9/2010 2:13:14 PM EST
currently, we have liquor in bottles from Costco for storage.
we started a few months ago, and as of yet, I haven't found an economical way to acquire smaller quantities.
I was guessing maybe at the appropriate time, to fill empty water bottles with the desired barter value.
it would be nice to have smaller, measured glass vessels for a more "sophisticated" trade

IIRC, some of the plastics #1 PETE for drinking can leach unfriendlies when frozen or microwaved???
must think of the health of those that we barter with

I am interested in this also.....
rusteerooster  [Team Member]
6/9/2010 2:55:18 PM EST
We have mini bottles available here, you may want to check into those.
solution_zero  [Team Member]
6/9/2010 3:20:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By rusteerooster:
We have mini bottles available here, you may want to check into those.


I saw those as well at the Liquor Store. I will probably pick up a few "airline bottles", a few half-pints, and a few pints.
I want to have some on hand, but there's a lot better preps to buy for the money.
tenOC  [Member]
6/9/2010 3:21:38 PM EST
Moonshining will be a booming industry in an extended The Fan event.
Counterfeit liquor will be common and most won't know (or care about) the difference.
lumper  [Team Member]
6/9/2010 4:17:14 PM EST
There may be more value in a high quality name brand bottle than whatever happens to be in it at the time of it's sale or barter.
biere  [Team Member]
6/10/2010 8:34:12 AM EST
I don't like plastic bottles.

If the plastic lid is the very hard plastic then I generally can live with it but I tend to look for metal lids on glass bottles if I am thinking that way.

Someone mentioned moonshine and moonshine normally comes in canning jars.

I don't store alcohol much, have some odds and ends around but it is not really a prep consideration.

Even so, I avoid plastic containers whenever possable and if thinking longterm storage I store in something that is not plastic.

Thinking about it I now want to go buy some everclear or something and put it in some canning jars and see who calls it moonshine when I let them have a swig.
Bloencustoms  [Team Member]
6/10/2010 1:02:42 PM EST
Those plastic lids usually have a seal under the cap made of a different material, so the lid itself isn't in contact with the alcohol vapor.
Kibby  [Member]
6/10/2010 2:41:50 PM EST
My dad died about 4 years ago. Being a lifetime alcoholic and smoker, the doctor had a bet with my dad whether it would be his cirrosis, or his lung cancer that got him first. The cancer finally one, but not after a long battle. After my father passed, I was tasked to clean out his shop. I found 13 half-gallon plastic jugs of his favorite poison: Black Velvet whiskey. Its cheap stuff, but ambrosia for a retiree on a fixed income. My brother and I estimated he'd had that booze for about 14 years and forgot about it. I gave a couple jugs to my dad's neighbor, and took the rest home, setting them on the selves in my prep room. On Memorial Day a year later, we broke out a bottle of Dad's whiskey to have a toast to him. Straight-up shots around the firepit for all of us. I expected to taste paint thinner, but I was pleasantly suprised. It wasn't half bad. All of those years mellowing in the bottle must have given it time to get smooth, because it was easily as good as the JD my son-in-law brought.

So I guess the moral of this story is to buy cheap. Besides, in a time of need, it wont matter if its top shelf or rotgut.
NoFnNamesLeft  [Member]
6/11/2010 5:58:42 AM EST
Sugar and yeast store well.

Stainless and copper are pretty durable as well.

pyro6988  [Team Member]
6/11/2010 6:59:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By biere:
I don't like plastic bottles.

If the plastic lid is the very hard plastic then I generally can live with it but I tend to look for metal lids on glass bottles if I am thinking that way.

Someone mentioned moonshine and moonshine normally comes in canning jars.

I don't store alcohol much, have some odds and ends around but it is not really a prep consideration.

Even so, I avoid plastic containers whenever possable and if thinking longterm storage I store in something that is not plastic.

Thinking about it I now want to go buy some everclear or something and put it in some canning jars and see who calls it moonshine when I let them have a swig.


Yup. You could also transfer the contents of the plastic bottles to canning jars if you so desired.

I can say with great confidence that alcohol will last a very long time and be good even if it is in a glass bottle. I have had numerous bottles to various kinds of alcohol that were opened and were still fine 5 years later. Even have one bottle at our camp that is easily 30+ years old and it is still good too. I have only kept plastic bottles 2-3 years and didn't notice any problems.
bogomil  [Member]
6/11/2010 7:16:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By Kibby:
My dad died about 4 years ago. Being a lifetime alcoholic and smoker, the doctor had a bet with my dad whether it would be his cirrosis, or his lung cancer that got him first. The cancer finally one, but not after a long battle. After my father passed, I was tasked to clean out his shop. I found 13 half-gallon plastic jugs of his favorite poison: Black Velvet whiskey. Its cheap stuff, but ambrosia for a retiree on a fixed income. My brother and I estimated he'd had that booze for about 14 years and forgot about it. I gave a couple jugs to my dad's neighbor, and took the rest home, setting them on the selves in my prep room. On Memorial Day a year later, we broke out a bottle of Dad's whiskey to have a toast to him. Straight-up shots around the firepit for all of us. I expected to taste paint thinner, but I was pleasantly suprised. It wasn't half bad. All of those years mellowing in the bottle must have given it time to get smooth, because it was easily as good as the JD my son-in-law brought.

So I guess the moral of this story is to buy cheap. Besides, in a time of need, it wont matter if its top shelf or rotgut.



He went out the way he wanted to, of his own volition. Right or wrong I kind of respect that.
showpare  [Team Member]
6/11/2010 3:01:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By NoFnNamesLeft:
Sugar and yeast store well.

Stainless and copper are pretty durable as well.

http://item.slide.com/r/1/72/i/khhoF6I62D8Gqn7oLG0znzoElmWanCIM/


Do you have a plan for this? Recipe?
Parrandero  [Member]
6/11/2010 3:47:44 PM EST
I store a lot of 200ml and 350ml bottles. A few.



troy808  [Member]
6/11/2010 3:57:03 PM EST
last night, the wife had something special planned that involved vodka.
we normally don't drink hards, but we dug out a 1/2 empty bottle that my ol' man left here about 10 years ago.

being that the container was plastic and 1/2 full, the spirit tasted fine and performed admirably

I just wish that I hadn't consumed mass quantities
GonvilleBromhead  [Life Member]
6/11/2010 5:36:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By Kibby:
All of those years mellowing in the bottle must have given it time to get smooth, because it was easily as good as the JD my son-in-law brought.


Contrary to popular belief, whiskeys do not 'age' or 'mellow' or change once they are in the bottle. A bottle of scotch that has been in storage for 50 years will taste the same today as the day it was bottled.
stevem1a  [Member]
6/11/2010 6:29:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By GonvilleBromhead:
Originally Posted By Kibby:
All of those years mellowing in the bottle must have given it time to get smooth, because it was easily as good as the JD my son-in-law brought.


Contrary to popular belief, whiskeys do not 'age' or 'mellow' or change once they are in the bottle. A bottle of scotch that has been in storage for 50 years will taste the same today as the day it was bottled.



Mostly true. Time for a quibble....


If the liquor is kept sealed, cool, dry, and dark while in the bottle, it will be virtually unchanged.
Liquor will degrade if stored in sunlight.
Liquor will degrade if stored in warm or hot conditions.
If the top of the bottle is kept open, the liquor may pick up odors and flavors from the environment.
Cool, dry, dark, and sealed are the ways to go.


Steve

Shockergd  [Team Member]
6/11/2010 7:09:00 PM EST
It appears that we'll have a surplus of apples this year, so one of the things I'd like to make/try is applejack , and have been very curious on what would be the best method for long term storage of it.
airborne89  [Member]
6/12/2010 3:49:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By NoFnNamesLeft:
Sugar and yeast store well.

Stainless and copper are pretty durable as well.

http://item.slide.com/r/1/72/i/khhoF6I62D8Gqn7oLG0znzoElmWanCIM/


What is this??? Do you have a wright up on how to make it?
NoFnNamesLeft  [Member]
6/12/2010 6:43:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By showpare:

Do you have a plan for this? Recipe?


[span style='font-weight: bold;']Originally Posted By airborne89:[/span

What is this??? Do you have a wright up on how to make it?

There are better/easier designs that work equally well. This one was made before discovering the forums.
This design would be a big no unless you can braze big parts together to avoid coupler/fitting costs. That 3" cap is almost $30 by itself.


Good bunch of guys over here. Give the forum and FAQ a good read through..... they are about as grumpy about repeat questions as we are over here.

http://homedistiller.org/
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