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 Spigot type valve for water tote?
bmw20  [Team Member]
5/14/2010 6:39:57 PM EST
Looking to once again pick the collective brain(s) of the hive. We recently purchased (3) of the 275 gallon water totes. The totes have a 9" fill port on the top and a 4" outlet valve at the bottom. There is a thick plastic cap with a gasket that screws over the valve stem. I'm sure all 275 gallon totes are the same but, basically one would have to remove the gasketed cap, open the valve, and water would then pour out of the 4" outlet. For obvious reasons we need to figure out a way to obtain a manageable flow rather than the gusher that would come pouring out of the 4" outlet when the valve is opened. Has anyone rigged something up to solve this issue? I was thinking something along the lines of drilling the appropriate size hole in the 4" cap and installing some type of a plastic spigot that a hose could screw onto. This would make draining the tank to change out the water a much less messy process as We could simply run the hose out of the garage, open the main 4" valve and then turn on the spigot.

Heres a pic of the valve and cap. Any input would be greatly appreciated (with pics if you have any).

Thanks in advance - B.

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rusteerooster  [Team Member]
5/14/2010 6:47:34 PM EST
It appears that the valve has a male thread..if so you may be able to use threaded PVC reducers and a regular hose bib or boiler drain, all available at your friendly hardware store..

Good luck.
bmw20  [Team Member]
5/14/2010 6:57:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By rusteerooster:
It appears that the valve has a male thread..if so you may be able to use threaded PVC reducers and a regular hose bib or boiler drain, all available at your friendly hardware store..

Good luck.


These threads aren't such that I can find something from a normal store. The threads themselves are probably 1/4" deep and, just guessing, appear to be metric maybe. Either way, I can pretty much guarantee there isn't a local hardware store or lowes / Home Depot that will have anything that will screw onto the outlet. I have to believe someone has figured this out all ready. A lot of people use these as rain barrels - unless they are watering their grass/garden with a metric threaded 4" fire hose hose, they've had to do some hillbilly engineering.



jjc155  [Team Member]
5/14/2010 7:19:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By bmw20:
Originally Posted By rusteerooster:
It appears that the valve has a male thread..if so you may be able to use threaded PVC reducers and a regular hose bib or boiler drain, all available at your friendly hardware store..

Good luck.


These threads aren't such that I can find something from a normal store. The threads themselves are probably 1/4" deep and, just guessing, appear to be metric maybe. Either way, I can pretty much guarantee there isn't a local hardware store or lowes / Home Depot that will have anything that will screw onto the outlet. I have to believe someone has figured this out all ready. A lot of people use these as rain barrels - unless they are watering their grass/garden with a metric threaded 4" fire hose hose, they've had to do some hillbilly engineering.





we'll finger it out on Sunday fucker. You know you dont want to do whatever connie has you scheduled for, LMAO

J-

bmw20  [Team Member]
5/14/2010 7:35:24 PM EST
Go to bed shitstain !


We have to fix your leak problem on Sunday?
krpind  [Life Member]
5/14/2010 7:37:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By bmw20:
Originally Posted By rusteerooster:
It appears that the valve has a male thread..if so you may be able to use threaded PVC reducers and a regular hose bib or boiler drain, all available at your friendly hardware store..

Good luck.


These threads aren't such that I can find something from a normal store. The threads themselves are probably 1/4" deep and, just guessing, appear to be metric maybe. Either way, I can pretty much guarantee there isn't a local hardware store or lowes / Home Depot that will have anything that will screw onto the outlet. I have to believe someone has figured this out all ready. A lot of people use these as rain barrels - unless they are watering their grass/garden with a metric threaded 4" fire hose hose, they've had to do some hillbilly engineering.





I have a bunch of those....like 100's of them and I have never seen one that didn't have 2"MPT on them.

I mean that is a 2" valve not a 4" one so you might want to go to Lowes and buy a 2" collar and see if it will screw on.

ETA is seems that I kinda remember some that a 2 inch collar wouldn't fit on, but it was close. I really can't remember right now. I would have to ask some of my guys.

Go buy a collar it will cost less than a dollar and you can try it.
bmw20  [Team Member]
5/14/2010 7:48:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By krpind:
Originally Posted By bmw20:
Originally Posted By rusteerooster:
It appears that the valve has a male thread..if so you may be able to use threaded PVC reducers and a regular hose bib or boiler drain, all available at your friendly hardware store..

Good luck.


These threads aren't such that I can find something from a normal store. The threads themselves are probably 1/4" deep and, just guessing, appear to be metric maybe. Either way, I can pretty much guarantee there isn't a local hardware store or lowes / Home Depot that will have anything that will screw onto the outlet. I have to believe someone has figured this out all ready. A lot of people use these as rain barrels - unless they are watering their grass/garden with a metric threaded 4" fire hose hose, they've had to do some hillbilly engineering.





I have a bunch of those....like 100's of them and I have never seen one that didn't have 2"MPT on them.

I mean that is a 2" valve not a 4" one so you might want to go to Lowes and buy a 2" collar and see if it will screw on.

ETA is seems that I kinda remember some that a 2 inch collar wouldn't fit on, but it was close. I really can't remember right now. I would have to ask some of my guys.

Go buy a collar it will cost less than a dollar and you can try it.


Thanks for the advice, i will give it a try. I said 4" because that is what the guy said in his craigslist ad. I will actually measure it and see. I haven't really studied it close but when I posted I thought about saying 3" because it seems smaller than 4". I mean hell, 4" pipe is what I vent my dryer with, I don't think its that big.

I do think I will still have a problem with the threads though, regardless of size.

thanks again.

douglasmorris99  [Team Member]
5/15/2010 1:14:22 AM EST


biere  [Team Member]
5/15/2010 5:46:44 AM EST
I would expect a local farm store to know what you need and either have it or be able to order it with ease.
CarbineDad  [Team Member]
5/15/2010 8:07:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By bmw20:
Originally Posted By krpind:
Originally Posted By bmw20:
Originally Posted By rusteerooster:
It appears that the valve has a male thread..if so you may be able to use threaded PVC reducers and a regular hose bib or boiler drain, all available at your friendly hardware store..

Good luck.


These threads aren't such that I can find something from a normal store. The threads themselves are probably 1/4" deep and, just guessing, appear to be metric maybe. Either way, I can pretty much guarantee there isn't a local hardware store or lowes / Home Depot that will have anything that will screw onto the outlet. I have to believe someone has figured this out all ready. A lot of people use these as rain barrels - unless they are watering their grass/garden with a metric threaded 4" fire hose hose, they've had to do some hillbilly engineering.





I have a bunch of those....like 100's of them and I have never seen one that didn't have 2"MPT on them.

I mean that is a 2" valve not a 4" one so you might want to go to Lowes and buy a 2" collar and see if it will screw on.

ETA is seems that I kinda remember some that a 2 inch collar wouldn't fit on, but it was close. I really can't remember right now. I would have to ask some of my guys.

Go buy a collar it will cost less than a dollar and you can try it.


Thanks for the advice, i will give it a try. I said 4" because that is what the guy said in his craigslist ad. I will actually measure it and see. I haven't really studied it close but when I posted I thought about saying 3" because it seems smaller than 4". I mean hell, 4" pipe is what I vent my dryer with, I don't think its that big.

I do think I will still have a problem with the threads though, regardless of size.

thanks again.



I would take a cap with me, and find the male thread that fits it, and then buy a reducer to make the thing the Chef posted –– note how that still has the big plug on the side
bmw20  [Team Member]
5/15/2010 4:00:54 PM EST
I finally went out and measure the outlet. The inside diameter is pretty damn close to 3 3/8". The diameter to the outside of the thread is pretty damn close to 3 5/8" (measurements may be off a few 32nds.)




I'll keep looking around online and at the local tractor/farm supply shops. If I can get something to neck it down to NPT threads I'll be in business. My buddy found a place online that has a bunch of different fittings for totes but they appear to all be for 2" diameter outlets. I know I can do something by drilling a hole in the cap and rigging up some fittings but I'm trying to avoid that.

Fuggit  [Team Member]
5/15/2010 5:57:00 PM EST
A regular threaded female 2" PVC wouldn't fit. So I just put on a rubber/clamped coupling. Then a 14" section of 2" PVC, an elbow with a a female hose adapter and brass fitting to attach a garden hose.

ETA-It's easy to control water flow with the tank valve. It doesn't have to gush out.



EXPY37  [Member]
5/15/2010 6:05:04 PM EST
Originally Posted By Fuggit:
A regular threaded female 2" PVC wouldn't fit. So I just put on a rubber/clamped coupling. Then a 14" section of 2" PVC, an elbow with a a female hose adapter and brass fitting to attach a garden hose.

ETA-It's easy to control water flow with the tank valve. It doesn't have to gush out.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2u880hk.jpg



That's a good solution and they are called Ferncos and are very handy, especially to keep some various sizes around. A thought for you to consider is that the Ferncos aren't designed for too much pressure and the head pressure is low enough in your container, -but to be safe you might want to consider adding two more hose clamps to be sure.
bmw20  [Team Member]
5/15/2010 8:00:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By Fuggit:
A regular threaded female 2" PVC wouldn't fit. So I just put on a rubber/clamped coupling. Then a 14" section of 2" PVC, an elbow with a a female hose adapter and brass fitting to attach a garden hose.

ETA-It's easy to control water flow with the tank valve. It doesn't have to gush out.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2u880hk.jpg



This solution looks promising if I am unable to find a fitting that will thread onto the outlet. Thanks for taking the time to post the pic/

krpind  [Life Member]
5/26/2010 2:14:36 PM EST
I finally saw one of these today.

However it had a sticker that said "Metric Discharge Valve" or something similar.

I'll try to find out who if anyone makes a fitting that goes from this to American threads.
shooter_gregg  [Member]
5/26/2010 3:34:08 PM EST
Try an industrial chemical supply house. They have lots of things in totes and barrels and should have what you need. If it was food grade, maybe ask a bakery or other food processing plant.
gkmiami  [Member]
5/27/2010 3:58:51 AM EST
bmw,

I think you were on the simplest solution yourself. You can buy a simple bulkhead fitting with say 1/2" fpt inside. Drill the appropriate size hole in your cap, install the bulkhead fitting on it, and screw a simple hose bib faucet into it. Bulkhead fittings are pretty common around here to use for drains on stock tanks and many of the local hardware stores have them. You might even find them at US Plastics. Good luck.

gk
bmw20  [Team Member]
5/27/2010 4:14:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By gkmiami:
bmw,

I think you were on the simplest solution yourself. You can buy a simple bulkhead fitting with say 1/2" fpt inside. Drill the appropriate sized hole in your cap, install the bulkhead fitting on it, and screw a simple hose bib faucet into it. Bulkhead fittings are pretty common around hear to use for drains on stock tanks and many of the local hardware stores have them. You might even find them at US Plastics. Good luck.

gk


Thats pretty much my plan B. My OCD won't let me do it just yet however . We've found several places online that sell couplings that may work - still have a little research to do.

For those that are interested, our best guess at this point in time is that the threaded discharge is something called a S75 x 6 buttress. We are 99% about the 6 buttress threads and probably 75% on the S75 part. Our best guess and research leads us to believe the 75 is mm, which is the part that is throwing us off. 3.5" is substantially larger than 75 mm.

We reached this conclusion however after locating several websites indicating Schuetz IBC tanks use, as standard, S75 x 6 Buttress threaded discharges.
I'll give it a few more weeks of looking prior to going with the plan B. It's not like we don't all already have a bunch of water stored

Thanks for all the help everyone

krpind  [Life Member]
5/27/2010 4:23:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By bmw20:
Originally Posted By gkmiami:
bmw,

I think you were on the simplest solution yourself. You can buy a simple bulkhead fitting with say 1/2" fpt inside. Drill the appropriate sized hole in your cap, install the bulkhead fitting on it, and screw a simple hose bib faucet into it. Bulkhead fittings are pretty common around hear to use for drains on stock tanks and many of the local hardware stores have them. You might even find them at US Plastics. Good luck.

gk


Thats pretty much my plan B. My OCD won't let me do it just yet however . We've found several places online that sell couplings that may work - still have a little research to do.

For those that are interested, our best guess at this point in time is that the threaded discharge is something called a S75 x 6 buttress. We are 99% about the 6 buttress threads and probably 75% on the S75 part. Our best guess and research leads us to believe the 75 is mm, which is the part that is throwing us off. 3.5" is substantially larger than 75 mm.

We reached this conclusion however after locating several websites indicating Schuetz IBC tanks use, as standard, S75 x 6 Buttress threaded discharges.
I'll give it a few more weeks of looking prior to going with the plan B. It's not like we don't all already have a bunch of water stored

Thanks for all the help everyone



http://www.industrial-tote.com/Valves__Lids__Caps.html

I just got off the phone with these guys. The metric adapter is $20

I'm going to buy 10 or so of them. I'll let y'all know how they work for us.

ETA. Just replace the whole valve. The ball valves are $60 and the butterfly valves are $40.
gkmiami  [Member]
5/27/2010 5:39:53 PM EST
bmw,

Here's the bulkhead fitting I was thinking might fit your application:
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=27494&catid=477

For $7.66 this 1/2" version is probably all you'll need. You could get the faucet here too or go to your harware store. You'd be fixed up for probably less than $15 total.

gk
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