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 Bulk MULTI-Vitamins - Where To Buy? Best Price?
crishel  [Team Member]
10/24/2009 3:37:02 AM EST
Looking for a recommendation to buy bulk vitamins, maybe around 3 to 5 thousand for long term storage. Multi-vitamin is what we are after.

Obviously we would be more happy to find natural vitamins and not the synthetic garbage they push in grocery stores, but we are open to recommendations.

Anyone ever looked into this?
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rwrjr  [Member]
10/24/2009 4:08:03 AM EST
Costco or Sams Club would be my first choice, with Walmart a close 3rd if you're looking for that many.

The don't expire in one year but do loose potency over time. Might be a better idea to buy 1000 every year.
crishel  [Team Member]
10/24/2009 4:15:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By rwrjr:
Costco or Sams Club would be my first choice, with Walmart a close 3rd if you're looking for that many.

The don't expire in one year but do loose potency over time. Might be a better idea to buy 1000 every year.

Thank you. I've heard the claim about loosing potency. Does anyone have links to clinical's done showing they loose potency, even if vacuum packed?
crishel  [Team Member]
10/24/2009 6:09:03 AM EST
Can you vacuum pack vitamins for long storage? If you take vitamins and vacuum storage them with O2 obsorbers, then how are they going to lose potency? And where do they lose them to?

No oxygen, plus stored out of sunlight? Where does it go? How does it break down?
tayous1  [Team Member]
10/24/2009 6:22:59 AM EST
Walmart has them for about $5 for 100 of them
Country_Boy  [Team Member]
10/24/2009 6:34:23 AM EST
You need to keep them dry and cool also. I have no idea what the reaction would be for the 40 or so ingreadents, but reactions can and do ocour without oxygen or light or moisture. Dropping the temp slows the rate of reaction, even 10 deg F helps.

I keep mine in 1 qt mason jars (holds about 650 ea) with O2 absorbers, protected form light.

Best deal, IMHO is CVS multivitamins when they have a 2 for 1 sale (which they do now) they are ~$15 for 365, so you are getting 700+ for $15-20. You need a CVS card, which (no cost, no ID) you can get, or often they will just scan a default one for you.

You may need to hit more then one store, they usually only have a few bottles in stock in that large of a bottle.
crishel  [Team Member]
10/24/2009 7:02:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By Country_Boy:
You need to keep them dry and cool also. I have no idea what the reaction would be for the 40 or so ingreadents, but reactions can and do ocour without oxygen or light or moisture. Dropping the temp slows the rate of reaction, even 10 deg F helps.

I keep mine in 1 qt mason jars (holds about 650 ea) with O2 absorbers, protected form light.

Best deal, IMHO is CVS multivitamins when they have a 2 for 1 sale (which they do now) they are ~$15 for 365, so you are getting 700+ for $15-20. You need a CVS card, which (no cost, no ID) you can get, or often they will just scan a default one for you.

You may need to hit more then one store, they usually only have a few bottles in stock in that large of a bottle.

The regional director for CVS is a neighbor friend, so this is good news.
glock27bill  [Member]
10/24/2009 7:46:33 AM EST
Also try Vitacost

I just read that you rotate stored Vitamin C every 2 years.

http://www.fcs.uga.edu/pubs/current/FDNS-E-34-1.html

Another preper site says indefinitely for Vitamin C.

This site sells vitamins that they claim can be stored for 10 years, with a 4 year expiration date stamp.

http://www.survival-homestead.com/taking-vitamins.html

At $17/90 count, that's a reasonable price.

I just sent Nature Made and GNC an email asking about long term multivitamin storage, and asked about vacuum sealing and O2 inhibitors.

I take supplements 2x a day, and am curious as to what they will say.
crishel  [Team Member]
10/24/2009 8:30:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By glock27bill:
Also try Vitacost

I just read that you rotate stored Vitamin C every 2 years.

http://www.fcs.uga.edu/pubs/current/FDNS-E-34-1.html

Another preper site says indefinitely for Vitamin C.

This site sells vitamins that they claim can be stored for 10 years, with a 4 year expiration date stamp.

http://www.survival-homestead.com/taking-vitamins.html

At $17/90 count, that's a reasonable price.

I just sent Nature Made and GNC an email asking about long term multivitamin storage, and asked about vacuum sealing and O2 inhibitors.

I take supplements 2x a day, and am curious as to what they will say.

Bro, let me know exactly what you find out. This single topic is incredibly important, and I am stunned it is not discussed more. I think long term storage of vitamins is CRITICAL. We can all store food, but vitamins in addition to food storage is extremely beneficial to your health and well being.

These questions and answers are extremely important to know.
trkarl  [Team Member]
10/24/2009 9:22:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By glock27bill:

This site sells vitamins that they claim can be stored for 10 years, with a 4 year expiration date stamp.

http://www.survival-homestead.com/taking-vitamins.html

At $17/90 count, that's a reasonable price.

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The super spectrim vitamins are even cheaper at their own site. Right now 180 count for 19.95

http://www.superspectrimvitamins.com/product_super_spectrim.htm

glock27bill  [Member]
10/24/2009 10:48:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By crishel:

Originally Posted By glock27bill:
Also try Vitacost

I just read that you rotate stored Vitamin C every 2 years.

http://www.fcs.uga.edu/pubs/current/FDNS-E-34-1.html

Another preper site says indefinitely for Vitamin C.

This site sells vitamins that they claim can be stored for 10 years, with a 4 year expiration date stamp.

http://www.survival-homestead.com/taking-vitamins.html

At $17/90 count, that's a reasonable price.

I just sent Nature Made and GNC an email asking about long term multivitamin storage, and asked about vacuum sealing and O2 inhibitors.

I take supplements 2x a day, and am curious as to what they will say.

Bro, let me know exactly what you find out. This single topic is incredibly important, and I am stunned it is not discussed more. I think long term storage of vitamins is CRITICAL. We can all store food, but vitamins in addition to food storage is extremely beneficial to your health and well being.

These questions and answers are extremely important to know.


I'll post their responses as soon as I get them.

I've had this question for a while myself, and am curious as to what the mfrs have to say about it...if they have an informed opinion. Of course, I still have questions about the oil-based stuff (E, Omega3, etc)
crishel  [Team Member]
10/24/2009 3:50:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By glock27bill:
Originally Posted By crishel:

Originally Posted By glock27bill:
Also try Vitacost

I just read that you rotate stored Vitamin C every 2 years.

http://www.fcs.uga.edu/pubs/current/FDNS-E-34-1.html

Another preper site says indefinitely for Vitamin C.

This site sells vitamins that they claim can be stored for 10 years, with a 4 year expiration date stamp.

http://www.survival-homestead.com/taking-vitamins.html

At $17/90 count, that's a reasonable price.

I just sent Nature Made and GNC an email asking about long term multivitamin storage, and asked about vacuum sealing and O2 inhibitors.

I take supplements 2x a day, and am curious as to what they will say.

Bro, let me know exactly what you find out. This single topic is incredibly important, and I am stunned it is not discussed more. I think long term storage of vitamins is CRITICAL. We can all store food, but vitamins in addition to food storage is extremely beneficial to your health and well being.

These questions and answers are extremely important to know.


I'll post their responses as soon as I get them.

I've had this question for a while myself, and am curious as to what the mfrs have to say about it...if they have an informed opinion. Of course, I still have questions about the oil-based stuff (E, Omega3, etc)

Thanks, looking forward to getting some info on this topic.
glock27bill  [Member]
10/26/2009 11:48:08 AM EST
Well, Nature Made replied (sorta).

I asked a pointed question about long term, vacuum packed, O2 absorbed storage, and got a crap reply that outdated vitamins are not harmful, just less potent, and to store them in a cool dry place. (Be Sure to Drink Your Ovaltine).

One down, one to go.

If the next reply is equally worthless, I'll have to think of who to turn to next.
crishel  [Team Member]
10/26/2009 12:47:56 PM EST
Thanks for the post, and yeah, odd reply huh?
reconBYfire  [Team Member]
10/26/2009 2:24:55 PM EST
I emailed GNC a question regarding the compare/contrast of two of its products months ago,,,,,,,,,no reply
EXPY37  [Member]
10/26/2009 4:08:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By glock27bill:
Well, Nature Made replied (sorta).

I asked a pointed question about long term, vacuum packed, O2 absorbed storage, and got a crap reply that outdated vitamins are not harmful, just less potent, and to store them in a cool dry place. (Be Sure to Drink Your Ovaltine).

One down, one to go.

If the next reply is equally worthless, I'll have to think of who to turn to next.


Obviously you are new here...

MrHunterAZ  [Team Member]
10/27/2009 12:33:15 AM EST
Well first of all what are you looking for with vitamins?

Certain vitamins are extremely sensitive such as Vit C. Depending on how they are manufactured and preserved the vitamins can have a fairly short shelf life. They are extremely light, heat and O2 sensitive. Goes for many other vitamins too.

Certain vitamins do not play well together, if you take both at the same time you will only absorb one or the other or they are hostile to each other destroy one another. Some need to come dry, some come in an oil form. yada yada yada

Not 1 single pill will cover your needs but they are a good start.

Personally I would not rely upon storing vitamins for long term, I would replace my stock at least once a year if they are unopened and stored in a cool, dark place.



For vit C I would look at other more readily available forms for example eating the new sprouts from wheat.
MrHunterAZ  [Team Member]
10/27/2009 12:40:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By crishel:
Can you vacuum pack vitamins for long storage? If you take vitamins and vacuum storage them with O2 obsorbers, then how are they going to lose potency? And where do they lose them to?

No oxygen, plus stored out of sunlight? Where does it go? How does it break down?


I would not open the package they came in. Typically they are packed with an innert gas or have O2 absorbers in them.

To answer your second question...can you vaccum pack a raw steak with an O2 absorber? Vacuum packing, adding O2 absorbers, and keeping them in a cool place out of light will only slow the oxidation process, not stop it. You cannot flush out 100% of the factors that will destroy the vitamin.

They lose potency through the destruction/changing of their molecular structure. Depending upon the vitamin depends on how it is changed and what it is changed to. Think about a piece of iron rusting, eventually you will have a pile of red dust. Now the iron is still there, just changed and worthless.

O2 absorbers only remove a percentage of the O2, granted they will remove +99% but there is still that 1% acting upon the vitamins. Plus heat alone can degrade the vitamin...even if that heat is 70 degrees.


For vit C shelf life here is a Pineapple Juice study, it is a simple study but you get a basic idea on how fragile the Vit is. Study
glock27bill  [Member]
10/27/2009 2:06:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By MrHunterAZ:
Well first of all what are you looking for with vitamins?

Certain vitamins are extremely sensitive such as Vit C. Depending on how they are manufactured and preserved the vitamins can have a fairly short shelf life. They are extremely light, heat and O2 sensitive. Goes for many other vitamins too.

Certain vitamins do not play well together, if you take both at the same time you will only absorb one or the other or they are hostile to each other destroy one another. Some need to come dry, some come in an oil form. yada yada yada

Not 1 single pill will cover your needs but they are a good start.

Personally I would not rely upon storing vitamins for long term, I would replace my stock at least once a year if they are unopened and stored in a cool, dark place.

For vit C I would look at other more readily available forms for example eating the new sprouts from wheat.


Yeh, I agree with what you're saying. I take multis and supplement them with a variety of others.

There are vitamins that complement each other quite well, some compete for absorption and can lead to deficiencies of others in high doses (such as the B family).

I was going to the source to get some common questions answered, such as the OP who was asking about extended-term storage. There's lots of conflicting data out there. For example, you point out that C can degrade easily, but there are sites that say it can be stored indefinitely.

So I thought that I would go directly to the manufacturers and start out with the storage of multis, and take it from there.

I guess for now, it seems that the best tact is to buy those with a far-out expry date, store them properly, and keep in mind that they are supplements––not substitutes––for food. Personally, I'm not too concerned about having more that 1-2 years worth of vitamins on hand, provided I have proper food sources.

However, I am very new to prepping (but have been into supplements for over 20 years). So it may be a fool's errand I'm on here, given that the role/need for vitamins to be part of a plan may be a low priority. I'm not well-versed enough to have an opinion on their priority, but it seems to be a concern among many here, so I thought I'd try to get some data.
crishel  [Team Member]
10/27/2009 3:35:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By glock27bill:
Originally Posted By MrHunterAZ:
Well first of all what are you looking for with vitamins?

Certain vitamins are extremely sensitive such as Vit C. Depending on how they are manufactured and preserved the vitamins can have a fairly short shelf life. They are extremely light, heat and O2 sensitive. Goes for many other vitamins too.

Certain vitamins do not play well together, if you take both at the same time you will only absorb one or the other or they are hostile to each other destroy one another. Some need to come dry, some come in an oil form. yada yada yada

Not 1 single pill will cover your needs but they are a good start.

Personally I would not rely upon storing vitamins for long term, I would replace my stock at least once a year if they are unopened and stored in a cool, dark place.

For vit C I would look at other more readily available forms for example eating the new sprouts from wheat.


Yeh, I agree with what you're saying. I take multis and supplement them with a variety of others.

There are vitamins that complement each other quite well, some compete for absorption and can lead to deficiencies of others in high doses (such as the B family).

I was going to the source to get some common questions answered, such as the OP who was asking about extended-term storage. There's lots of conflicting data out there. For example, you point out that C can degrade easily, but there are sites that say it can be stored indefinitely.

So I thought that I would go directly to the manufacturers and start out with the storage of multis, and take it from there.

I guess for now, it seems that the best tact is to buy those with a far-out expry date, store them properly, and keep in mind that they are supplements––not substitutes––for food. Personally, I'm not too concerned about having more that 1-2 years worth of vitamins on hand, provided I have proper food sources.

However, I am very new to prepping (but have been into supplements for over 20 years). So it may be a fool's errand I'm on here, given that the role/need for vitamins to be part of a plan may be a low priority. I'm not well-versed enough to have an opinion on their priority, but it seems to be a concern among many here, so I thought I'd try to get some data.

Agree, and many thanks to glock27bill. I also, am looking for a way to store the vitamins for 1 to 3 years. I find it odd, that there are not any methods to store them for a very long time. Maybe some 0 oxygen storage method. Who knows. Supplements to me, are a bonus, not a replacement. I would definitely like to have them on hand for sure to add to my daily eating habits, as it certainly helps quite a bit to a persons health.
glock27bill  [Member]
10/27/2009 11:47:43 AM EST
So GNC gave me a direct answer:

Unfortunately, we would not have any information on how long our products would last with the use of a vacuum seal and an oxygen inhibitor. We are only able to guarantee to freshness of our products up to the printed expiration date.


Seems to me that if you pay attention to the expiry date, you can probably meet your 1-2 years requirements.

I just checked, I have some Krill oil that I bought a while ago with a 2011 expiry date.

At least most agree that vitamins will lose potency, but not become toxic, so storing them in the manner the OP discussed might buy you some time, but in any event won't harm you. Except the oil based ones might go rancid?

Interesting question with no answer, huh?
crishel  [Team Member]
10/27/2009 12:29:08 PM EST
Yeah, good point. I am wondering how long a truly vacuum packed mylar bag would elongate the life of a vitamin.
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