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M60forever  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 5:01:24 AM EST
What is the best all around survival watch under $200?
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speedracer422  [Member]
12/6/2008 5:04:27 AM EST
the one that holds time

Really I'm sure a lot of folks will say a G-Shock.

Myself i don't like digital watches, or watches over 40mm, so I'll stick w/ a nice Seiko.



ETA: here is what i wear daily; a good cheap seiko automatic. Waterproof, good lume, the hardlux crystal is VERY scratch resistant but not as brittle as real synthetic sapphire; you can pick 'em up for ~ $50 on flea bay.

Seiko makes a myriad of automatic watches and their movements are some of the most popular in the world so if you need repairs and can't find anyone (TEOTWAWKI type sit) just pick up a new movement for $10 and drop it in yourself


Seiko watch forum


i have a cheapie quartz I wear camping/hiking as well.

Victorinox makes some nice "outdoorsey" watches w/ swiss quartz movements as well.

Citzen has the Eco-drive which is solar powered w/ a little battery; supposed to be good for 100 years IIRC (though I'm sure it still needs oiled/cleaned periodically)


You will get a LOT of different opinions on watches, lol.

Find one you like that holds time well
GOBLIN1  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 5:06:34 AM EST
It needs to be solar powered or an automatic with no batteries.
MFS1589  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 5:09:01 AM EST
Go old school. Something that does not require batteries something with hands not a digital display, A Seiko automatic diver would be my choice.
godzillamax  [Member]
12/6/2008 5:20:04 AM EST
Timex Expedition. Maybe not a "survival watch" per se, but it meets my non-work watch criteria:
1. Analog
2. Digital day, mo and year read out
3. luminous hands and face
4. Water resistant
5. Indiglo night light
6. It has a slim profile
7. Its cheap - sub $50.00
Timex Expedition

Lympago  [Member]
12/6/2008 5:20:11 AM EST
I've looked for a similar watch in function and price and still come back to a GShock 2900 series with a 10 yr battery.
I still have the GShock I wore all through the military that went through low crawl after low crawl and jump after jump. I bought the 2900 because the battery is a 10 yr battery as long as you don't get light crazy. The more you use the light the quicker the battery runs out.
There simple and tough and not expensives at all.

2900 series

jj01  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 5:42:37 AM EST
g-shock w solar powered rechargable battery
M60forever  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 5:44:11 AM EST
Here is the one I have been looking at.
http://www.lapolicegear.com/caspblseapac.html
What do you think?
TaylorWSO  [Life Member]
12/6/2008 6:28:56 AM EST
why would you need a watch?
M60forever  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 6:31:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
why would you need a watch?


For bling. Why else?

TomJefferson  [Site Staff]
12/6/2008 6:37:14 AM EST
I have a drawer full of watches with survival preps in mind, almost everyone mentioned in this thread so far including an Expedition and Seiko Automatic.

Ultimately though, I keep going back to my Swiss Army Titanium. Its just a rugged comfortable watch that the face can been seen in the dark.

I'm on year six on this watch and I'm the type who ignores he has a watch. That means I dunk them in water all the time, bang them when working on stuff, and don't pay attention to magnetic fields. This is the longest I have ever used a one single watch without breaking it, six years. I'm on my third two year battery. I think a big part of it is its thin enough my shirt sleeves don't get hung up behind it and the titanium case is pretty darn scratch resistant so it doesn't look like crap.

Tj

IAMLEGEND  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 8:09:00 AM EST
Casio G-Shock tough solar.

wshbrngr  [Member]
12/6/2008 8:24:44 AM EST
I think you should go automatic.....

No batteries, nothing digital, EMP proof

I have a 70's vintage Omega seamaster that I got off eBay several years ago that I wear it everyday.
I also have a seiko automatic divers watch and it is built like a tank as well.
IAMLEGEND  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 8:30:43 AM EST
Originally Posted By wshbrngr:
I think you should go automatic.....

No batteries, nothing digital, EMP proof

I have a 70's vintage Omega seamaster that I got off eBay several years ago that I wear it everyday.
I also have a seiko automatic divers watch and it is built like a tank as well.


Do you think there's enough "antenna" in a watch to pick up EMP?

Pathfinder1cav  [Member]
12/6/2008 8:36:16 AM EST
I use a Casio solar Pathfinder in S.S.- gives you:
compass, altimeter, temp, barometric pressure, auto night light & battery saver etc. etc.
a little big, but I love it..
TomJefferson  [Site Staff]
12/6/2008 10:21:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By wshbrngr:
I think you should go automatic.....

No batteries, nothing digital, EMP proof

I have a 70's vintage Omega seamaster that I got off eBay several years ago that I wear it everyday.
I also have a seiko automatic divers watch and it is built like a tank as well.


I don't know of any watch that will be EMP proof. If it doesn't contain electronics then they contain small moving parts that will be impacted by being magnetized.
greendog  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 11:12:19 AM EST
To answer the OP: I don't know. Let me just share this:

I owned and lost the following for the same reason. 5.11 field ops watch and a luminox. I lost them both at work because the bands are weak. The pins that hold the band to the watch broke at work and the watch was lost forever. The 5.11 was pretty cool, but it has a detachable buckle on the strap to add a larger strap for over the glove or over the coat use. Cool concept, but the damned buckle is in the perfect spot to be bumped and it got detached at work, never to be seen again in the dark. The luminox has weak pins and came off. This happened twice. The first time I found the watch on the ground and bought another strap. The second time....Gone for good. So it's back to the Gshock for me. Cheaper and I don't think the band will break. Hope this info is useful.
-Green.
Orbital-Burn  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 11:55:00 AM EST
I haven't worn a watch in 11 years. Why would a person want to wear one?
IAMLEGEND  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 12:02:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By Orbital-Burn:
I haven't worn a watch in 11 years. Why would a person want to wear one?


To coordinate activities based on time. To know how much time has passed when doing something that requires a certain amount of time to be done correctly/optimally. To keep track of how long something has been happening. Mostly things having to do with keeping track of time/knowing what time it is.


leadnbrass  [Member]
12/6/2008 12:19:45 PM EST
I was going to buy one of these a couple weeks back.

The reviews are mixed, some say the functions are accurate some say not.

I'll wait a bit.
MrClean4Hire  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 12:48:52 PM EST
Timex or G shock
BRONZ  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 1:02:03 PM EST
Damn you guys still where watches.
MrClean4Hire  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 1:05:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By BRONZ:
Damn you guys still where watches.


I wear one
Reorx  [Member]
12/6/2008 2:50:41 PM EST
As a bit of a watch geek and as you frame the question... I'd have to say something in the solar, water resistant, CBP (cheap black plastic) genre... The classic CBP is a Casio "G-shock". Today, Casio makes many versions of a G-shock. One that would fit your question (and this forum) would be similar to this >>>

Key features inculde:
- Solar powered quartz movement
- 200 water resistance
- "atomic" timekeeping (automatically syncronizes with satellite time source)
- count down timer
- stopwatch
- auto calendar thru 2099
- 12/24 hour formats
- 5 programable alarms (1 snooze)
- battery life of 11 months (starting from a full charge) in the dark

MSRP is $130 but it can had for less on the interweb... Here for example... I admit that it isn't the prettiest thing around but it IS a pretty good "tool watch".

OBTW - if you are looking for pretty durable 1 piece watch straps, you can find them
HERE under names like - Zulu, NATO, Rhino, and Bond... The Zulu and Rhino are heavy and tough as nails. The NATO and Bond (a sub type of NATO) are lighter but still very good. For "everyday" normal use the latter are very good... On larger watches and in torture situations the Zulu/Rhino might be a better choice... (ETA: I saw a reference to Waterbourne straps later in this thread... Think of Zulu/Rhino straps as the new and improved version of Waterbourne... In the watch world, Zulu/RHino has pretty much replaced Waterbourne straps).

1 piece straps are a good idea in tool watches - the reason is that if you break a springbar, at least you don't lose the watch - with 2 piece straps if you break a springbar, the watch is leaving your wrist and who knows if it will be find-albe or retreive-able. You might want to have a few spare springbars as well...

ENJOY!
TomJefferson  [Site Staff]
12/6/2008 8:10:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By Orbital-Burn:
I haven't worn a watch in 11 years. Why would a person want to wear one?


Thanks for the late night chuckle.

I'll tell you why I laughed. I have a medical condition that is aggravated by stress. One of the first things my doctor did was make me take my watch off.

Now I only wear a watch when I travel or am in the field. Its got me out of clock watching which a good thing. Its amazing how much stress those little things add to our lives. Its almost equally as amazing how much stress it takes off you in the field. Knowing how long it will take you before dark often makes the decision to call it a night and setup camp a lot sooner.

Tj

HS-LD  [Member]
12/6/2008 8:16:15 PM EST
This is the one:

http://www.princetonwatches.com/shop/PAW1300-3V.asp

Don't know about emp, but in all other situations this would be a good one to have. Solar powered, sets itself to the atomic clock in Ft Collins, and is not too fat so it's comfortable to wear.

This is my GOTO watch for most things.
Lapp_Dance  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 8:46:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By leadnbrass:
I was going to buy one of these a couple weeks back.

The reviews are mixed, some say the functions are accurate some say not.

I'll wait a bit.


I wouldn't consider a Suunto at all. Every review I've read states that they have a very short battery life, and even shorter if the "survival" features are used, i.e., anything other than telling the time.

I wear a Casio Tough Solar Pathfinder every day. Titanium housing/band. I have the thin model PAW-1300T.
TheOtherDave  [Team Member]
12/6/2008 9:25:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By Orbital-Burn:
I haven't worn a watch in 11 years. Why would a person want to wear one?


Massive power outage paralyzes your community. State authorities come house to house to tell you that your street will be given water and food from the local post office, but your street will only be taken care of between the hours of 11:30 and 12:00 on Tuesday.

Your house burns down and takes your vehicle inside the garage with it. You only manage to get out with your loved ones and a BOB. You need a way to tell time.

But, I agree with your way of living... I try very hard not to live by a clock and don't wear a watch unless I am dressing up in a suit and tie once or twice a year.
EXPY37  [Member]
12/6/2008 9:28:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:
Originally Posted By wshbrngr:
I think you should go automatic.....

No batteries, nothing digital, EMP proof

I have a 70's vintage Omega seamaster that I got off eBay several years ago that I wear it everyday.
I also have a seiko automatic divers watch and it is built like a tank as well.


Do you think there's enough "antenna" in a watch to pick up EMP?





ERNURSE  [Member]
12/7/2008 12:45:28 AM EST
Mine is a Citizen Eco Drive solar powered divers watch, love it.
Reb52  [Team Member]
12/7/2008 2:41:20 AM EST
G-Shock Solar Here!
J_Smith  [Member]
12/7/2008 2:54:50 AM EST
I've had a Luminox Navy SEAL watch I've beaten the crap out of for the last 4 years. I've had to replace the battery a couple times and the wristband - but it's proven waterproof and the tritium lighting is a nice feature. Very basic but I like simple.

In the past, I owned a lot of cheaper watches like the Timex variety. Always ended up breaking them. Find something that you can drop, swim with, etc that won't go tango uniform on you when you need it.

If you're worried about losing your watch - check into the Waterborne wristbands designed for swimmers/divers. Regular bands have a tendency to break occasionally - dive bands will stay on your wrist even if one of the pins falls out.

XM21Nick  [Team Member]
12/7/2008 4:02:47 AM EST
I switched years ago to Tag Heuer dive watches. Tuff as nails and I'm ruff on watches.
raf  [Site Staff]
12/7/2008 4:21:26 AM EST
Interesting.

Be advised that a Seiko automatic diver's watch will not have as long a lifespan(12 yrs) as a Seiko battery-powered quartz watch (25+). At least that's my experience.
M60forever  [Team Member]
12/7/2008 4:37:31 AM EST
How accurate is the Casio digital compass?
Bogie  [Member]
12/7/2008 5:52:29 AM EST
Maritime Pocket Sundial

To use, simply hold the sundial level in the sun. Align the compass to North, and the string shadow will fall on the hours



Edmund Scientific $8.95



Pathfinder1cav  [Member]
12/7/2008 7:21:51 AM EST
M60,
Mine seems to be able to repeat within a couple of degrees each way- because it does not have "Sights" like a lensatic compass, it is of course hard to align perfectly. Of course when traveling, you would have to recalibrate it. It was a bit lost in Africa & New Zealand until reset!
I use the temp & barometric pressure features in helping to determine bullet drop in long range shooting- the temp. feature is more accurate off the wrist.
IAMLEGEND  [Team Member]
12/7/2008 7:51:07 AM EST
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:
Originally Posted By wshbrngr:
I think you should go automatic.....

No batteries, nothing digital, EMP proof

I have a 70's vintage Omega seamaster that I got off eBay several years ago that I wear it everyday.
I also have a seiko automatic divers watch and it is built like a tank as well.


Do you think there's enough "antenna" in a watch to pick up EMP?







I wasn't trying to be a dick!

I mean it...I put antenna in quotes because the wires and stuff...you know, have to act like an antenna to pick up the pulse and have it do any damage.





Originally Posted By XM21Nick:
I switched years ago to Tag Heuer dive watches. Tuff as nails and I'm ruff on watches.


My Tag was damaged by saltwater intrusion into the case and I went to a Timex Ironman a GF got me years ago then more recently the Casio G-Shock tough solar. A watch might not be life and death but if it were I'd put my bet on Timex Ironman or G-Shock over a Tag.

It's a Series 2000 chrono. It needs several hundred dollars in repairs to get working again and if I do it it will be strictly for show/looks. Let me know if you want to buy the carcass and bring it back to life. Brushed stainless, silver face, black subdials.

I dive but it wasn't even a dive that did it. And I know to screw in the crown/stem.
ljh824  [Member]
12/7/2008 8:53:37 AM EST
Originally Posted By Reorx:
As a bit of a watch geek and as you frame the question... I'd have to say something in the solar, water resistant, CBP (cheap black plastic) genre... The classic CBP is a Casio "G-shock". Today, Casio makes many versions of a G-shock. One that would fit your question (and this forum) would be similar to this >>>
http://www.princetonwatches.com/images/watches/GW002KA-3V.jpg
Key features inculde:
- Solar powered quartz movement
- 200 water resistance
- "atomic" timekeeping (automatically syncronizes with satellite time source)
- count down timer
- stopwatch
- auto calendar thru 2099
- 12/24 hour formats
- 5 programable alarms (1 snooze)
- battery life of 11 months (starting from a full charge) in the dark

MSRP is $130 but it can had for less on the interweb... Here for example... I admit that it isn't the prettiest thing around but it IS a pretty good "tool watch".

OBTW - if you are looking for pretty durable 1 piece watch straps, you can find them
HERE under names like - Zulu, NATO, Rhino, and Bond... The Zulu and Rhino are heavy and tough as nails. The NATO and Bond (a sub type of NATO) are lighter but still very good. For "everyday" normal use the latter are very good... On larger watches and in torture situations the Zulu/Rhino might be a better choice... (ETA: I saw a reference to Waterbourne straps later in this thread... Think of Zulu/Rhino straps as the new and improved version of Waterbourne... In the watch world, Zulu/RHino has pretty much replaced Waterbourne straps).

1 piece straps are a good idea in tool watches - the reason is that if you break a springbar, at least you don't lose the watch - with 2 piece straps if you break a springbar, the watch is leaving your wrist and who knows if it will be find-albe or retreive-able. You might want to have a few spare springbars as well...

ENJOY!



+1 on this one. I have a stainless steel version and I love it. I put it on the window sill every few weeks to charge it up. And its automatically updated in the middle of the night. Updates itself for daylight savings as well. Theoretically, i never have to replace the battery, or set the time.
FACTS  [Team Member]
12/7/2008 9:51:04 AM EST
I like my invicta. It's automatic so there is no electronics. You can manually wind it if you haven't worn it for a day or two and it looks good. Can't beat the price either. The only thing I didn't like was the band that pinced out my hair. I replaced the band with the type posted above.

http://www.watchzworld.com/invicta_pro_diver_8926.html

Plus it doesn't stop when I shoot with it on. Many other watches I've see will actually stop working from the shock of a firearm.
DanishM1Garand  [Member]
12/7/2008 10:46:14 AM EST
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
why would you need a watch?


You are to meet someone at a set time. You and he have synchonized watches earlier so that he is expecting someone coming in from the east at 13:15. Anyone at any other time and direction may well get ventilated.
strmday  [Member]
12/7/2008 11:46:01 AM EST
Seiko 5
Stainless steel case, tough, hard to scratch crystal, never needs a battery. Nice looking watch also.
I used to wear nothing but Timex watches. I liked the Indiglo feature on them. Last couple I had did not last long. Quality issues? So I swithced to the Seiko a few years back. I own a couple of other brands but I would rely on my Seiko if the SHTF.
2wheelnut  [Member]
12/11/2008 12:47:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By XM21Nick:
I switched years ago to Tag Heuer dive watches. Tuff as nails and I'm ruff on watches.



-1 actually -2 as I broke two of them...
GySgtD  [Team Member]
12/11/2008 1:17:24 PM EST
My Timex Ironman has gone through a war zone (2004), and is still in use today.

That's a lot of bang for the buck, IMHO.
joedapro  [Member]
12/11/2008 4:05:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By GySgtD:
My Timex Ironman has gone through a war zone (2004), and is still in use today.

That's a lot of bang for the buck, IMHO.



breitling super ocean professional or rolex explorer II, gmt or submariner
Hard Rock  [Member]
12/11/2008 5:41:09 PM EST
I've got a Suunto Vector... Here's the good and bad on it.

Time is accurate and dependable.

Compass is accurate but should the watch come into close proximity to a magnet or other disruptive device, it is easy to reset.

Temperature is very accurate when the watch is not worn. When it is worn on the wrist, I've noted variations in temperature up to 15 degrees F.

Barometric pressure is within a point of what the weatherman claims almost constantly.

Altitude is dependant on air pressure and varies depending on temperature and barometric pressure. I'm still learning some of the alternative settings on this. You can switch between actual reading and sea level.

The cool thing about this watch is that you can log patterns in the barometer and compass. This allows you to compute waypoints easily.

Commendable features include strap pins that won't break. This is a problem I've seen in the Luminox and G-Shock watches. The design is comfortable to wear and the resistance to water is a huge plus. I have had my watch for a short time but I know a couple of guys that have had these watches for years. Battery life for these guys has been about the same as their experience with other watches. I've had G-Shock watches run for years without needing a battery so I may be prejudiced on this issue. Time will tell.

For unknown distance shooting where you need an idea of time, altitude, barometric pressure, etc. The Vector is a nice compact aid. It could be better though. If the inventors had linked the barometer and altitude functions, I think it would be much more accurate. As it stands now, it can be off as much as 200 feet or so.

The watch is very rugged and takes abuse with no problems.

If any of you get one of these watches, my advise is to read the instruction book completely before fucking with the watch. It'll save you a bunch of cussing.

Mike
dravisar  [Team Member]
12/11/2008 6:43:04 PM EST
Originally Posted By Hard Rock:
I've got a Suunto Vector... Here's the good and bad on it.

Time is accurate and dependable.

Compass is accurate but should the watch come into close proximity to a magnet or other disruptive device, it is easy to reset.

Temperature is very accurate when the watch is not worn. When it is worn on the wrist, I've noted variations in temperature up to 15 degrees F.

Barometric pressure is within a point of what the weatherman claims almost constantly.

Altitude is dependant on air pressure and varies depending on temperature and barometric pressure. I'm still learning some of the alternative settings on this. You can switch between actual reading and sea level.

The cool thing about this watch is that you can log patterns in the barometer and compass. This allows you to compute waypoints easily.

Commendable features include strap pins that won't break. This is a problem I've seen in the Luminox and G-Shock watches. The design is comfortable to wear and the resistance to water is a huge plus. I have had my watch for a short time but I know a couple of guys that have had these watches for years. Battery life for these guys has been about the same as their experience with other watches. I've had G-Shock watches run for years without needing a battery so I may be prejudiced on this issue. Time will tell.

For unknown distance shooting where you need an idea of time, altitude, barometric pressure, etc. The Vector is a nice compact aid. It could be better though. If the inventors had linked the barometer and altitude functions, I think it would be much more accurate. As it stands now, it can be off as much as 200 feet or so.

The watch is very rugged and takes abuse with no problems.

If any of you get one of these watches, my advise is to read the instruction book completely before fucking with the watch. It'll save you a bunch of cussing.

Mike


I have that exact watch. It goes 2 years on a battery. Hell mine went 6 months on the low battery warning. It has never failed me. The haters can hate, but the thing is THE best survival watch you can get. I have had mine three years now. I have slammed it into everything, swam with it, shot with it, stepped on it. Not a single flaw.
GAU-8  [Member]
12/11/2008 9:38:04 PM EST
Survival watch? One word

ROLEX

Doesn't really matter which model, all have their strong points. A Rolex does far more than just keep time. They are universal currency around the globe.
Reorx  [Member]
12/12/2008 3:08:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By GAU-8:
Survival watch? One word

ROLEX

Doesn't really matter which model, all have their strong points. A Rolex does far more than just keep time. They are universal currency around the globe.
Ummmm, the original post in this thread said >>> What is the best all around survival watch under $200?

Can you show me a place where I can get any Rolex at 10x the poster's stated budget?

In addition, while Rolex watches are "cool" and "bling", I think that one would be a bad choice here as it could make you a "target" (of unwanted attention, etc.) in times of caos (SHTF)... just MHO...



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Dedhorse  [Member]
12/12/2008 4:22:27 AM EST
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Ummmm, the original post in this thread said >>> What is the best all around survival watch under $200?

Can you show me a place where I can get any Rolex at 10x the poster's stated budget?

In addition, while Rolex watches are "cool" and "bling", I think that one would be a bad choice here as it could make you a "target" (of unwanted attention, etc.) in times of caos (SHTF)... just MHO



I wear mostly WWII US military watches which I also sort of collect. I have found these older wind up watches to be very dependable, matter of fact the one I wear the most now a a black face Waltham I bought several years ago in fine running condition at an antique show for $35 and have yet to have any trouble with it. Have bought others in non running condition and took to local Jeweler that sends them out to get fixed and charges me around $60.I wind them everyday and they keep good time and that is about it. I really don't need anything else in a watch

Couple years ago I bought at auction a lot that included a 1940s Rolex Oyster, a Hamilton WWII military watch and 3 sets of sterling flight wings and paid $20 for the bunch. This Rolex doesn't look like what most people consider a rolex should look like...not bling at all... and I think that , and the fact it was in a locked display case till sold, was why it flew under the radar so to speak. Both watches run fine.
I kept the watches of course for me and sold the flight wings for around $120...so I sort of figured I got paid $100 to take the Rolex and the Hamilton.....Todd
speedracer422  [Member]
12/12/2008 4:48:08 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dedhorse:
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Ummmm, the original post in this thread said >>> What is the best all around survival watch under $200?

Can you show me a place where I can get any Rolex at 10x the poster's stated budget?

In addition, while Rolex watches are "cool" and "bling", I think that one would be a bad choice here as it could make you a "target" (of unwanted attention, etc.) in times of caos (SHTF)... just MHO



I wear mostly WWII US military watches which I also sort of collect. I have found these older wind up watches to be very dependable, matter of fact the one I wear the most now a a black face Waltham I bought several years ago in fine running condition at an antique show for $35 and have yet to have any trouble with it. Have bought others in non running condition and took to local Jeweler that sends them out to get fixed and charges me around $60.I wind them everyday and they keep good time and that is about it. I really don't need anything else in a watch

Couple years ago I bought at auction a lot that included a 1940s Rolex Oyster, a Hamilton WWII military watch and 3 sets of sterling flight wings and paid $20 for the bunch. This Rolex doesn't look like what most people consider a rolex should look like...not bling at all... and I think that , and the fact it was in a locked display case till sold, was why it flew under the radar so to speak. Both watches run fine.
I kept the watches of course for me and sold the flight wings for around $120...so I sort of figured I got paid $100 to take the Rolex and the Hamilton.....Todd


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Sweet deal! I'd love to stumble upon a nice vintage hamilton sometime; I like that they are made in PA :)


I know MANY people will disagree w/ this comment, but one can purchase superb Rolex replicas for under $120

Just sayin.


Speed
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