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rem_700vs  [Team Member]
9/21/2008 6:01:04 PM EST
Wondering what would be a good type of thorny bush to plant along the perimeter of our woods? We're getting our little over 6 acre woods cleaned up for trails to drive around in, camping areas, and shooting/training areas. We would like to plant along the borders some thorny bushes to keep out possible trespassers.

Requirements are shade-partial sunny tolerant, thorny and thick enough to prevent nosy people, stays localized (I don't want it taking over the woods), little mainenance necessary and good growth rate would be nice. Thanks for the help.
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rusteerooster  [Team Member]
9/21/2008 6:05:03 PM EST
multiflorrose (sp) or spanish bayonets
SHADI  [Member]
9/21/2008 6:08:11 PM EST
I would say briars. But you did say you didn't want it to take over the woods, so nix that.
mattimeo  [Team Member]
9/21/2008 6:14:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By rusteerooster:
spanish bayonets


This.
meltap308  [Member]
9/22/2008 3:30:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By rem_700vs:
Wondering what would be a good type of thorny bush to plant along the perimeter of our woods? ...


wild roses have the advantage of making a heathy tea :)
FlatlinesUp  [Team Member]
9/22/2008 8:07:34 AM EST
blackberrys... thorns and yum all in one
Roger_C  [Team Member]
9/22/2008 8:15:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By SHADI:
I would say briars. But you did say you didn't want it to take over the woods, so nix that.


Very important to keep in mind - a lot of thorny bushes are also very invasive and tend to go beyond where they are welcome.
ASUsax  [Team Member]
9/22/2008 8:47:34 AM EST
I've always planned on doing rosebushes, but now you've got me thinkin...
ArmyofOne  [Member]
9/22/2008 9:13:08 AM EST
didn't a few weeks or months ago we talk about a bush that was called something like. Firethorn. It had fire in the name and was a wicked looking bush

looked it up and its called PHYRACANTHA. also, wild plums have thorns and the can grow into a nice looking wall that is hard to penetrate.
killingmachine123  [Member]
9/22/2008 12:12:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By rusteerooster:
multiflorrose (sp) or spanish bayonets


Those are brutal.
tnEnder  [Member]
9/22/2008 12:48:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By killingmachine123:

Originally Posted By rusteerooster:
multiflorrose (sp) or spanish bayonets


Those are brutal.


++1

these make great barriers and also will hold some small game depending on location, however as stated above take regular mowing etc. to keep them in line.
Surf  [Team Member]
9/22/2008 1:43:14 PM EST
You could also use it to funnel people to where say a "trail camera" was located.
pvc1984  [Team Member]
9/22/2008 3:20:39 PM EST
Barberry FTW.

These are some images I found in google.

Barberry makes a really nice hedge.


Close up of the thorns.
A-Rob  [Team Member]
9/22/2008 3:31:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By rusteerooster:
spanish bayonets


This.


+2. I've thrown them into trash piles and they still take root and grow fast (zone 8). I'm not sure that they'll grow in your area but if so, they'll keep everything out.
Feral  [Moderator]
9/22/2008 3:38:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By pvc1984:
Barberry FTW.

These are some images I found in google.

Barberry makes a really nice hedge.
i172.photobucket.com/albums/w7/pvc1984/red_barberry_bush_hedge.jpg

Close up of the thorns.
i172.photobucket.com/albums/w7/pvc1984/431010293_a87cae6032.jpg


We have multiflora rose along some of our fences and it's pretty nasty. I believe that barberry looks nastier though.
Ndenway  [Team Member]
9/22/2008 3:49:31 PM EST
got a stinging plant that grows around here called a "bull nettle",

it's grows approx 2' tall, got thread like thorns like a cactus, but burns like mad when you hit it.
rem_700vs  [Team Member]
9/22/2008 3:59:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By ArmyofOne:
didn't a few weeks or months ago we talk about a bush that was called something like. Firethorn. It had fire in the name and was a wicked looking bush

looked it up and its called PHYRACANTHA. also, wild plums have thorns and the can grow into a nice looking wall that is hard to penetrate.


I believe I read the thread your referring to. The Pyracantha spp. are the ones I'm leaning towards currently. Thought about the multiflora roses but I think they'll be too much maintenance for us. Just checking out other ideas. Thanks guys for other ones to look into.
constitutionlvr  [Member]
9/22/2008 4:11:51 PM EST
I don't know what plant hardieness zone you are in but I would use Poncirus trifoliata (hardy orange) if it will grow there. (From what I have read It can live in zone 5 but perfomes best in 6 or higher. I planted this plant around my back yard. (I am "braiding" them). It has seriously wicked thorns 3-4 inch hard spines. It can be grown in to such a dense hedge that you can almost walk on it from what I have read. and from what I have seen in the wild and my own headge I could easily believe this. NO ONE will come though it. It is capable or reaching close to 20 feet. It is a fast grower. (once established I have seen 6+ feet of growth in a year. )It will grow in shade to full sun. Once it starts setting fruit after a couple of years, You can start collecting the fruit and just put the fruit along the border you want the barrier Each fruit has lots of seeds and they germinate eaisly so you can get lots of plants fast. THis plant will not take over the place but will spread some close to where it is located. Someone mentioned Mulitflora rose, it will spread like crazy.
rem_700vs  [Team Member]
9/22/2008 5:06:25 PM EST
Any suggested places online to order or hit the local nurseries/green houses to find these? This will most likely be a project for next year due to going into fall season. Thanks again for all the suggestions.
scrum  [Team Member]
9/22/2008 7:10:57 PM EST
Hawthorne (Crataegus) makes an awesome hedgerow. It is very hardy, grows is almost any soil, lives a very long time, and has very long, very sharp thorns. There are a lot of varieties - but almost all of them have wicked thorns.
TobyLazur  [Member]
9/22/2008 9:59:46 PM EST
we call "spanish bayonet" Yucca. You can braid the fibers in the leaves into rope. It's pretty cool.

I'm not sure how it'd do in IN, but we also have this stuff call bogenvia. Nasty stuff. Pretty flowers, but big thick thorns, we avoided it like the plague when we were kids.
FrankSymptoms  [Team Member]
9/23/2008 1:12:34 AM EST
Blackberry bushes are rather mildly thorny and provide nice desserts!

ETA FlatlinesUp beat me to it!
pyro6988  [Team Member]
9/23/2008 4:47:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By FlatlinesUp:
blackberrys... thorns and yum all in one



+1

Dual use
leoismydog  [Member]
9/23/2008 5:19:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By FlatlinesUp:
blackberrys... thorns and yum all in one


+1
Charles_Martel  [Member]
9/23/2008 5:20:28 PM EST
Trifoliate Orange is vicious down here. It is very strong and nothing living goes through it. Nothing. Cannot be smashed down like some berry bushes. Fairly thick. Some thorns up to 3" long. The tips of the thorns "dry out" and sharp like a needle. Thorns slash right through denim. Nasty cuts and infections. Even once it has been cut down or bulldozed it is deadly. Dry thorns break off in the flesh. Not as low to the ground as some other suggestions so this could be combined with others to have a "complete barrier"

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constitutionlvr  [Member]
9/25/2008 5:00:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By Charles_Martel:
Trifoliate Orange is vicious down here.


That would be the Poncirus I was talking about.

As for sources I could be one for seed, and possibly plants as I do have a nursery.
blueheeler66  [Member]
9/25/2008 5:34:44 AM EST
We call it Mock Orange and you do avoid it when you can; it'll also make a small yellow/orange fruit. I've never seen anything eat it though. Spiders like to make their web in it also .
Pyracantha is good and is beneficial for the birds.
wild Cherokee rose is good; I find it kind of slow growing usually.
Black Locust and Honey Locust trees have their place in the hedgerow, along with English Hawthorne.
Spanish Bayonet is just bad news, I don't want to be even close to it.
Dave_Markowitz  [Team Member]
9/25/2008 2:57:09 PM EST
Only one I've had personal experience with was pyracantha (firethorn). Those thorns will go through leather work gloves like they aren't even there. Nasty stuff but would work well as a security barrier.
PATCH5  [Member]
9/25/2008 3:19:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By ArmyofOne:
didn't a few weeks or months ago we talk about a bush that was called something like. Firethorn. It had fire in the name and was a wicked looking bush

looked it up and its called PYRACANTHA. also, wild plums have thorns and the can grow into a nice looking wall that is hard to penetrate.


Had that on our fence growing up. Very durable bush that burns like hell if it gets you. I have some sort bastardized tree version growing in one of the flowerbeds right outside my window as I type, so it comes in tree form too...

It doesnt get too out of control, which usually means it doesnt grow all that fast. You could probably fix that with a large box of miracle grow though. The berries are pretty much useless, but are edible as a last resort. I seem to remember someone making a jelly out of the berries mixed with pomegranate when I was a kid.
Overall its a pretty bush and fairly low maintenance.

BTW fixed the spelling for ya
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