AR15.Com Archives
 T/C contender as a survival weapon
panheadstriker  [Member]
4/5/2008 1:38:13 PM EST
a great survival weapon in my opinion---am thinking about getting another one---sold my old one--like a bonehead.
I bought a folding stock for a Contender for $20 at a flea market---was thinking a short bbl rifle with a folder---scope and open sights would be a great BOB weapon---with choice of different cal's---any opinions---I have ever only owned one in 44 mag, but would love a 223, 308 and 300 whisper
Paid Advertisement
--
acman145acp  [Team Member]
4/5/2008 1:57:42 PM EST
Idk
To me the contender and encore are a nitch hunting weapon for people who like single shots and a little cheaper way to have multiple calibers in a single shot.

I'm not saying they are bad or anything just not my style....... several friends have either contenders or encores so i've used them.

BTW unless you find custom made barrels to my knowledge 308 and the harder hiting calibers aren't available for the contender...... Thats why they came out with the encore..........
JoseyWales  [Team Member]
4/5/2008 2:04:32 PM EST
If it is all you can find, I guess it is better than nothing.

Personally, I don't understand why anyone would want one. There is no advantage as far as I can see. At least none practical.
panheadstriker  [Member]
4/5/2008 2:04:35 PM EST
Sorry---I lumped the contender and the encore together---believe 30-30 or 45-70 is top end in the contender---don't remember which one. Not for tacticool--but for general hunting...and my 30 cal can being able to work on a backpack gun---the contender looks pretty good to me
Anthony346  [Member]
4/5/2008 2:16:58 PM EST
Cheap, can fire multiple calibers.

Its better than a sharp stick.
Quarterbore  [Life Member]
4/5/2008 2:54:04 PM EST
I don't have a contender yet but I do have a contender barrel

I kind of agree with the previous opinions that a single shot is of very limited use in a survival situation. If I am starving and I get a chance to shoot a deer I am going to take my best shot to put it down quickly BUT I want a repeater in case the first shot does not do the job. With small game, the same would apply as you might miss on the first shot so quick follow ups might put food in a pot.

For a defense gun, well sure it will work against a single attacker but I sure would want more then one shot in that situation too. I don't really see the contender or any single shot really being a part of my survival or primary go-to guns and frankly it wouldn't be in my second line either.

If it is all you have money to afford, well it can be used, but it is not an ideal choice IMHO.
frozenny  [Member]
4/5/2008 5:24:15 PM EST
I own a G2 Contender Carbine. I like it. I like it a lot. Do I think of it as a great survival rifle? Nope.

It's a single shot. It's great for collecting game, but its still a single. To tell the truth its also a somewhat awkward single too. And expensive. In many cases its $550-600 for a single shot. A New England/Harrington Richardson break-top single can be had for $225, and does everything the TC does (for 1/3 the cash).

Alternatively you can buy a repeater of some sort, frequently for less cash again. Take your pick. $100 Moisin Nagants. $200 SKS. $200 garage sale Winchester 94 in 30-30

The ability to change barrels is pretty much a non-issue. I can see no real value. Barrel swaps take tools and a few minutes. The barrels are usually $250 +/-. For $250 you can buy complete working firearms, many of which are repeaters.

I love my TC. I'll likely buy a custom barrel for it. Some options are .218 Mashburn Bee and 6.5 BullBerry Improved. It's a fine rifle. But I honestly cannot come up with an rational justification for buying one for any real survival purpose. The Contender and Encore have substantial negatives and no real positive in any situation I can dream up.

Remember, be careful when you start swapping barrels and stocks. Its VERY easy to run afoul of BATF when you start mixing and matching contenders.
olwen  [Team Member]
4/5/2008 6:20:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By frozenny:
I own a G2 Contender Carbine. I like it. I like it a lot. Do I think of it as a great survival rifle? Nope.

It's a single shot. It's great for collecting game, but its still a single. To tell the truth its also a somewhat awkward single too. And expensive. In many cases its $550-600 for a single shot. A New England/Harrington Richardson break-top single can be had for $225, and does everything the TC does (for 1/3 the cash).

Alternatively you can buy a repeater of some sort, frequently for less cash again. Take your pick. $100 Moisin Nagants. $200 SKS. $200 garage sale Winchester 94 in 30-30

The ability to change barrels is pretty much a non-issue. I can see no real value. Barrel swaps take tools and a few minutes. The barrels are usually $250 +/-. For $250 you can buy complete working firearms, many of which are repeaters.

I love my TC. I'll likely buy a custom barrel for it. Some options are .218 Mashburn Bee and 6.5 BullBerry Improved. It's a fine rifle. But I honestly cannot come up with an rational justification for buying one for any real survival purpose. The Contender and Encore have substantial negatives and no real positive in any situation I can dream up.

Remember, be careful when you start swapping barrels and stocks. Its VERY easy to run afoul of BATF when you start mixing and matching contenders.


re- BATF- as long as you keep pistol grips with barrels less than 16 and rifle stocks with 16+ barrels you are gtg. TC fought BATF and won and that is why they are still in business making the G2/ encore

I think the contender is a great survival weapon, as long as you realize it is a single shot and don't go taking on groups of 3 or more people. defending with a single shot against one or two people is no problem in my mind, as long as you don't try to stand up and fight with them. honestly you will probably be able to take out more people with the way people shoot nowadays- what is the military average of rounds fired per hit on enemy combatants? I wouldn't be surprised if many "zombies" have similar aiming skills. if you make sure of your shot, hit the person/ deer/ pig whatever you will be successful. besides, you could have an accurate rifle with a barrels in .270, 30-06, 300wm, 308 etc etc to take advantage of whatever ammo is available instead of having 10 bolt guns to match up to different ammo.

different ways of looking at it, for survival i want to avoid a gunfight if at all possible. if not, i will most likely try to act like a sniper, shoot and move.

Rudison  [Team Member]
4/6/2008 12:59:03 PM EST
Only had one 357max in a Super 14.
I was asked by the RO not to shoot in indoors.
We added a 2.25" muzzle brake to it and my shooting partner started carrying it in his backpack with a folding stock and 2.5 Weaver scope.

The idea of 148gr. wadcutters to full 180gr. 357max loads works in the advertising world but drop and POI varies so much that using a scope is pointless.

Our neighbors at the lake in Maine had a 2 barrel pistol set that was kinda best of both worlds 22 Hornet and 45-70 with a brake.

Pete
sgtb  [Team Member]
4/6/2008 1:04:14 PM EST
I own 2 G2's and an Encore muzzleloader. I love them. As far as survival guns they are great for hunting which is what most of survival is about, eating. As far as self defense then I would go with something different. Although the Encore with a large caliber bullet will handle your long range work.
frozenny  [Member]
4/6/2008 2:31:19 PM EST
Olwen is correct: Stick to 14" and under with a pistol grip, and 16 or over with a rifle stock and you are good to go.

Unfortunately, a LOT of people inadvertently cross the line. Need an example? Rudison mentions a folding stock on a 14". It could easily be argued that the 14"/folder combo is a Short Barrelled Rifle, requiring NFA registration. The original poster also makes mention of the idea of a SBR.

I still like the contenders and encores. However, the ease with which you can get into trouble, coupled with ATF's complete lack of understanding can make for an uncomfortable stay at Club Fed.

Be careful.

Frozenny
Rudison  [Team Member]
4/7/2008 3:50:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By frozenny:
Olwen is correct: Stick to 14" and under with a pistol grip, and 16 or over with a rifle stock and you are good to go.

Unfortunately, a LOT of people inadvertently cross the line. Need an example? Rudison mentions a folding stock on a 14". It could easily be argued that the 14"/folder combo is a Short Barrelled Rifle, requiring NFA registration. The original poster also makes mention of the idea of a SBR.

I still like the contenders and encores. However, the ease with which you can get into trouble, coupled with ATF's complete lack of understanding can make for an uncomfortable stay at Club Fed.

Be careful.

Frozenny


Not looking to get the late night knock-knock.

The barrel was 16.25 with the brake welded on.
Pete
olwen  [Team Member]
4/7/2008 11:07:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rudison:

Originally Posted By frozenny:
Olwen is correct: Stick to 14" and under with a pistol grip, and 16 or over with a rifle stock and you are good to go.

Unfortunately, a LOT of people inadvertently cross the line. Need an example? Rudison mentions a folding stock on a 14". It could easily be argued that the 14"/folder combo is a Short Barrelled Rifle, requiring NFA registration. The original poster also makes mention of the idea of a SBR.

I still like the contenders and encores. However, the ease with which you can get into trouble, coupled with ATF's complete lack of understanding can make for an uncomfortable stay at Club Fed.

Be careful.

Frozenny


Not looking to get the late night knock-knock.

The barrel was 16.25 with the brake welded on.
Pete


that isn't the key point, the key point was the foldng stock- the firearm has to be longer than a certain length, inaddition to the barrel limitations to avoid being an unregistered SBR.

Rudison  [Team Member]
4/7/2008 11:17:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By olwen:

Originally Posted By Rudison:

Originally Posted By frozenny:
Olwen is correct: Stick to 14" and under with a pistol grip, and 16 or over with a rifle stock and you are good to go.

Unfortunately, a LOT of people inadvertently cross the line. Need an example? Rudison mentions a folding stock on a 14". It could easily be argued that the 14"/folder combo is a Short Barrelled Rifle, requiring NFA registration. The original poster also makes mention of the idea of a SBR.

I still like the contenders and encores. However, the ease with which you can get into trouble, coupled with ATF's complete lack of understanding can make for an uncomfortable stay at Club Fed.

Be careful.

Frozenny


Not looking to get the late night knock-knock.

The barrel was 16.25 with the brake welded on.
Pete


that isn't the key point, the key point was the foldng stock- the firearm has to be longer than a certain length, inaddition to the barrel limitations to avoid being an unregistered SBR.


I think the magic number is 26" with the stock collapsed.
That might be close.

Pete
olwen  [Team Member]
4/7/2008 11:27:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rudison:

Originally Posted By olwen:

Originally Posted By Rudison:

Originally Posted By frozenny:
Olwen is correct: Stick to 14" and under with a pistol grip, and 16 or over with a rifle stock and you are good to go.

Unfortunately, a LOT of people inadvertently cross the line. Need an example? Rudison mentions a folding stock on a 14". It could easily be argued that the 14"/folder combo is a Short Barrelled Rifle, requiring NFA registration. The original poster also makes mention of the idea of a SBR.

I still like the contenders and encores. However, the ease with which you can get into trouble, coupled with ATF's complete lack of understanding can make for an uncomfortable stay at Club Fed.

Be careful.

Frozenny


Not looking to get the late night knock-knock.

The barrel was 16.25 with the brake welded on.
Pete


that isn't the key point, the key point was the foldng stock- the firearm has to be longer than a certain length, inaddition to the barrel limitations to avoid being an unregistered SBR.


I think the magic number is 26" with the stock collapsed.
That might be close.

Pete


yup, just found it- 26"

blackhawkhunter  [Team Member]
4/7/2008 11:37:51 AM EST
I think you need to define survival before you start choosing. My idea of survival is feeding yourself. A 223 or 308 caliber scoped handgun in a shoulder holster is pretty damn handy.... So is a 22 rifle like a 10-22 or 39A. I think the 22 would be better if you could have only one. Carrying both is do-able and would allow you to take any game critter you could want.

If you are talking survival as in Red Dawn than the TC's are sadly lacking. Sure, you can buy lots of barrels so you can shoot a wide variety of ammo, but at close to $200 a barrel you would be better off just buying another K of ammo for a gun that you already have.

I love the TC platform, and its a handy truck gun for riding the back roads, but I dont think I would invest in the system just for survival reasons.
Justin-Kase  [Team Member]
4/7/2008 11:54:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By olwen:

Originally Posted By Rudison:

Originally Posted By olwen:

Originally Posted By Rudison:

Originally Posted By frozenny:
Olwen is correct: Stick to 14" and under with a pistol grip, and 16 or over with a rifle stock and you are good to go.

Unfortunately, a LOT of people inadvertently cross the line. Need an example? Rudison mentions a folding stock on a 14". It could easily be argued that the 14"/folder combo is a Short Barrelled Rifle, requiring NFA registration. The original poster also makes mention of the idea of a SBR.

I still like the contenders and encores. However, the ease with which you can get into trouble, coupled with ATF's complete lack of understanding can make for an uncomfortable stay at Club Fed.

Be careful.

Frozenny


Not looking to get the late night knock-knock.

The barrel was 16.25 with the brake welded on.
Pete


that isn't the key point, the key point was the foldng stock- the firearm has to be longer than a certain length, inaddition to the barrel limitations to avoid being an unregistered SBR.


I think the magic number is 26" with the stock collapsed.
That might be close.

Pete


yup, just found it- 26"



I used to believe that a rifle had to be over 26 inches with the stock closed to until I was corrected in a Texas HTF thread. The Federal law* is that the 26 inch measurement is with the stock in the open position.

I'll see if I can dig up a link to that thread as it links the Federal law.

*State laws may differ!
Chris1NY  [Member]
4/7/2008 5:43:46 PM EST
Yes it's stock open.
Rudison  [Team Member]
4/8/2008 4:09:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By Chris1NY:
Yes it's stock open.


I wonder if anyone makes a folder for the H&R Topper or NEF rifles.

Gotta see about this.
Pete
Quarterbore  [Life Member]
4/8/2008 5:48:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By Chris1NY:
Yes it's stock open.


That is the Federal law but I am pretty sure there are a couple states that have state laws that differ. I don't know a specific example however as here in PA I am pretty sure there is no special state restriction.

So, as the poster earlier said, it is wise to be carefull.

Oh, and I just committed to buy a T/C Contender myself. So, I finally have a frame for the 300 Whisper barrel I bought about 2-years ago I plan to pick up a 223 barrel for varmint hunting and I may try the 300 Whisper for deer but I will always see this as a challanging sporting arm and hopefully I never need to be that limited in a survival situation that I need to depend on it at that point.
GAU-8  [Member]
4/9/2008 1:16:16 AM EST
The Contender is a specialty hunting gun. IMO, as a survival weapon it would be hard to come up with a worse choice as pretty much anything else would be an improvement, especially given the cost. If you like the contender than get one, nothing wrong with having guns just for fun. Survival on the hand is a life or death situation and I can't think of a single instance where a single shot handgun would be optimal or preferred in any way.
kdx300  [Member]
4/9/2008 4:28:48 AM EST
Fixed it for you....


Originally Posted By GAU-8:
The Contender is a versatile hunting gun . IMO, as a survival weapon it would be hard to come up with a worse choice as pretty much anything else would be an improvement NOT TRUE AT ALL, especially given the cost. If you like the contender than get one, nothing wrong with having guns just for fun. Survival on the hand is a life or death situation and I can't think of a single instance where a single shot handgun would be optimal or preferred in any way.


I have an Encore. It is a game getting mofo!. It's one of the best built guns on the market, yes it's single shot, so spray and pray folks won't like it, but I can tell you this. in the past four years I have have shot four rounds of 7mm-08 through my Encore's 15" barrel and 3 rounds thought it's .50 cal BP rifle barrel during muzzle loader season and I have killed 7 deer which has equated to over 400lbs of high quality protein for my family. Thats 7 bullets, 400+ pounds of meat! The T/C contenders and Encores are simple, reliable, and dead on accurate, the pistol setup with 15" barrels are easy to carry and accurate to 200+ yards all day long!. Also it takes a split second to shoot and chamber a fresh round once you get used to the guns action. Now I call that a survival tool worthy of anyone's gun arsenal.
No offense intended to GAU-8 but If GAU-8 is only concerned with killing Zombies, then he is right, the T/C guns are a poor choice, but, if he is trying to feed his family, and thinks he can do better with an AR15 or AK47 he is either a poor shot, or he has been spending too much time on PS3 COD4 and not enough time in the woods.
Buy the Contender in a G2 flavor or an Encore and you'll never look back and your family will be well fed with no waste of ammo! The T/C gun will outlast you, and your offspring, and their offspring if treated with respect and care. Also, being a single shot, it's the one gun, gun grabbers are likely to let you legally keep if it ever gets to that point in our great country!
KDX300


On a side note, a good friend of mine is an Encore nut, he has no less than 6 Encore frames, 5 Older style Contenders frames and two G2's along with barrels from 218 bee to .375JDJ. Just for shits and giggles, last year he took a tuned up Encore with a .308 rifle barrel to a 1000 yard shoot and kicked a lot of other competitor's asses with a simple single shot, low tech Encore.

GAU-8  [Member]
4/9/2008 1:51:54 PM EST
kdx300

Wow, you seem a little sensitive on this issue. I would agree with your assessment on the Contender as long as you define "Survival" as "hunting under ideal conditions", a definition that I don't subscribe too. When you made those seven shots (by the way, I can do the same thing with my six shot 44 magnum revolver) were you starving? were you injured? were you freezing? were you in a situation where there are no regulation of hunting and much of the available game have been harvested using poaching type hunting techniques?
Were you in a situation where anything other than a one shot kill may mean death of you or your family? That one shot becomes a lot more exciting when a miss might just mean you die.

blackhawkhunter  [Team Member]
4/9/2008 3:15:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By GAU-8:
kdx300

Wow, you seem a little sensitive on this issue. I would agree with your assessment on the Contender as long as you define "Survival" as "hunting under ideal conditions", a definition that I don't subscribe too. When you made those seven shots (by the way, I can do the same thing with my six shot 44 magnum revolver) were you starving? were you injured? were you freezing? were you in a situation where there are no regulation of hunting and much of the available game have been harvested using poaching type hunting techniques?
Were you in a situation where anything other than a one shot kill may mean death of you or your family? That one shot becomes a lot more exciting when a miss might just mean you die.



Just to mess with ya a bit.... on the flip side..... He was hunting legal game at the time (I am assuming). How many times do you have a doe stand 30 feet from ya when its bucks only.... or how many times do you see spikes and 4 ptrs when you are holding out for an 8 or better. How many times do you see moose in deer season. When its time to gather food regardless of the rules, the TC will get the job done without question as well as any bolt or semi if you can shoot.
berdan  [Team Member]
4/9/2008 4:21:34 PM EST
A "single pont sling" on a Contender is in the same accuracy class as a stock. Zip up your coat & look unarmed, plus have 2 hands free.
Rudison  [Team Member]
4/10/2008 4:04:27 AM EST


Originally Posted By blackhawkhunter:

Originally Posted By GAU-8:
kdx300

Wow, you seem a little sensitive on this issue. I would agree with your assessment on the Contender as long as you define "Survival" as "hunting under ideal conditions", a definition that I don't subscribe too. When you made those seven shots (by the way, I can do the same thing with my six shot 44 magnum revolver) were you starving? were you injured? were you freezing? were you in a situation where there are no regulation of hunting and much of the available game have been harvested using poaching type hunting techniques?
Were you in a situation where anything other than a one shot kill may mean death of you or your family? That one shot becomes a lot more exciting when a miss might just mean you die.



Just to mess with ya a bit.... on the flip side..... He was hunting legal game at the time (I am assuming). How many times do you have a doe stand 30 feet from ya when its bucks only.... or how many times do you see spikes and 4 ptrs when you are holding out for an 8 or better. How many times do you see moose in deer season. When its time to gather food regardless of the rules, the TC will get the job done without question as well as any bolt or semi if you can shoot.


Here in NJ, all my hunting buddies have this frustration.
Harvesting food would be different when rules are set aside.

One guy owns a tree service, between a bow and an NEF in 30-30, they have deer from all over our part of the state.

Pete
Paid Advertisement
--