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 OK, you wake up with a snake in your sleeping bag???
DocGP  [Member]
7/2/2009 12:24:48 AM
Watching Les Stroud in Africa tonight and he tells of a bush story about a man waking up with a Black Mamba in his sleeping bag. Said his friends drag him out of the bag by ths shoulders in about 3 seconds and he is bitten 13 times by the mamba. He didn't make it.

SO, what do you do? I don't have to worry about a black mamba, but cotton mouth or copperhead, maybe rattle snake.....heck, wouldn't matter to me. I don't want ANY of them in my bedroll.

Only thing I could come up with that would be an option would be to lay there till he decides to leave. If you remain motionless, eventually he will (I assume) move on. The only way I could think of to expedidte the process would be to somehow create smoke (without fire) around the person in the bag to maybe run the snake out. Problem with that is when said person starts coughing, they might get bitten.

Any ideas on what to do that WOULDN'T get you bitten?

Doc
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David14  [Team Member]
7/2/2009 12:47:24 AM
I hope poop is a snake repellent, because I'll be vigorously shitting my pants the moment I note a snake in my sleeping bag.

On a more serious note, if a snake decided to crawl into your bag with you, I would expect he's there for one of 2 reasons:
looking for food, or
looking to get warm.

Assuming you wake in the morning, the local temp should be warming up soon –– hopefully, making it too warm in the bag for the snake's comfort. Stay patient, and it should leave.

And if that doesn't work, pooping your pants is an option.
VaFish  [Member]
7/2/2009 7:38:55 AM
I'd be dead too.

The way I sleep I'd never know a snake was in my bag and I move around a lot so it would probably bite me in my sleep. I might wake up at that point.

That's one reason I like my camping hammock.



No place for a snake to get in.
unclemoak  [Team Member]
7/2/2009 8:40:35 AM
Having personally awaken with a 6' Rat snake crawling across my feet, the only thing I managed to do what scream like a little girl.


The story - I was kayaking with some college friends back in April. We found an island to camp on over night and had started setting up out tents and whatnot. I've done it a zillion times, so I had all my stuff set up and my gear squared away.

I decided I'd lay out and take a nap under a big tree while everyone else was getting their things squared away. After about five minutes I was starting to dose off and felt something on my foot. I didn't really think anything of it since I was laying on the ground. I just thought it was a bug or something.

After it was there for a noticeable while, I decided it was best to open my eyes and sit up to check it out thinking it would have been a spider or something, which of course I didn't want to be bitten by. So I open my eyes and sit up only to find with 6' long snake slithering across my ankles. I kicked the thing off all the while screaming and hollering all sorts of choice words.

It goes to say that I was a little on edge the rest of the day and had a little bit of trouble laying down to sleep that night, even being in a tent.
XM21Nick  [Team Member]
7/2/2009 9:21:43 AM
In the late 70's I was a Army grunt in Korea. One time out in the field I was chillin down in my fighting position ( foxhole ) when I felt something plop on my shoulder. I thought it was a dirt clod that fell in on me so I turn my head to see it to casually brush it off . Now I find my nose about 3 inches away from a small ( 14" ) poisonous snake. I can't remember the name of this type of small snake but they're fairly common there and we were always warned about them.
So I bail out of that foxhole like someone dropped a frag in it. One of the Korean soldiers with us heard the commotion and came over and killed it. He then took it back to his foxhole and cooked and ate it.
Scorpion40  [Member]
7/2/2009 12:29:16 PM
If it's hot enough for snakes to be crawling around, a sleeping bag probably isn't necessary. Maybe a blanket/quilt is a better option. Here in Pennsylvania, for it to be warm enough for rattlers and copperheads to be moving, I can't see myself needing to be in a sleeping bag. Most late spring, summer, early falls temps are warm enough I can just lay on top of my bag and be sufficiently warm.
blackhawkhunter  [Team Member]
7/2/2009 1:54:35 PM
Snakes......Thats why this Bwana will never move south!
Smitty1970  [Member]
7/2/2009 6:50:20 PM
We were camping in the GWNF in Va last summer . I went for a stroll and came about 2 steps from stepping on a HUGE rattler. I backtracked and went around. This was 50 yds from camp. All night we thought every noise was that damn snake. I must have checked in the tent 100 times before going in for bed !! I'm not scared of 'em but I dont want to sleep with 'em neither.
Wdsman  [Team Member]
7/2/2009 6:54:46 PM
What would I do??




Wish her happy anniversary?

Lungbuster  [Member]
7/2/2009 8:39:36 PM


Any ideas on what to do that WOULDN'T get you bitten?



I'll have to ask my wife for advice, She has allot of experience waking up with a snake poking her........
Rescue43  [Member]
7/2/2009 8:39:46 PM
Originally Posted By David14:
I hope poop is a snake repellent,..............................

pooping your pants is an option.



I'd probably go with this option. Not by choice, but that's the way it would go.

Or either shoot myself trying to kill the friggin' snake.
4v50  [Team Member]
7/2/2009 9:01:43 PM
a man waking up with a Black Mamba in his sleeping bag. Said his friends drag him out of the bag by ths shoulders in about 3 seconds and he is bitten 13 times by the mamba. He didn't make it.


Screw the bag. If it can be shot and killed safely without harm to the human in the sleeping bag, shoot first, extract later.
Tyler259  [Member]
7/2/2009 10:14:49 PM
Is there a link to this story? God that sucks.
doc_Zox  [Team Member]
7/2/2009 10:25:07 PM
A buddy was on assignment in Africa and one afternoon they found a Black Mamba in their hut.

They went to the local market and found a medicineman who had a snake charm.
It was a big black block of what looked like tea. The "doctor" chipped off a chunk and told them how to dissolve it in hot water then splash it on the snake

They went back, boiled it up and used a broom to fling it upon the snake which was found hiding under the bed

With in minutes it was writhing about in a drunken stupor, they bagged it and took it back to the medicineman who bought it from them
Justin-Kase  [Team Member]
7/2/2009 10:29:26 PM
There was an episode of The Rifleman with that very plot line.
Lucas made it, rattler and bad guy got ventilated.
Eli822  [Member]
7/2/2009 10:45:19 PM
I've thought about this for years and it makes me cringe at the thought of it. I read that when sleeping in areas where snakes were active you might be better off sleeping on top of your bag and having a separate blanket or poncho liner. The idea was instead of being zipped up in the bag with the snake you could remove the blanket and roll left or right away from the snake.

I just found this looking for an article about the man bitten 13 times by the mamba...

When Going to Sleep:
When preparing your camp in an area which is popular with snakes, make sure that you don’t sleep on the ground unless you have a tent with a groundsheet securely sewn-in. Either erect a hammock or some other kind of platform if possible. If you do need to sleep on the ground, tucking mosquito netting underneath and around the sleeping bag is an effective barrier to an inquisitive snake.

Wherever you choose to sleep, make sure you situate yourself way from boulders, trees or tall grass or brush as these are all perfect hiding places for snakes so it’s safer if you’re in a clearing away from these types of features. Also make sure that you take a torch with you at all times if you’re walking about at night.
doc_Zox  [Team Member]
7/2/2009 11:05:03 PM
make a circle around your bedding area with a rope
XM21Nick  [Team Member]
7/3/2009 10:27:58 AM
Any Panama vets here ? Now that place had plenty of snakes !
Oblivion  [Member]
7/3/2009 6:16:57 PM
Originally Posted By XM21Nick:
In the late 70's I was a Army grunt in Korea. One time out in the field I was chillin down in my fighting position ( foxhole ) when I felt something plop on my shoulder. I thought it was a dirt clod that fell in on me so I turn my head to see it to casually brush it off . Now I find my nose about 3 inches away from a small ( 14" ) poisonous snake. I can't remember the name of this type of small snake but they're fairly common there and we were always warned about them.
So I bail out of that foxhole like someone dropped a frag in it. One of the Korean soldiers with us heard the commotion and came over and killed it. He then took it back to his foxhole and cooked and ate it.


My father has a similar story of when in vietnam a poisonous snake landed on his shoulders while on patrol. He threw the bitch on the ground and emptied his M14 into it!

On another occation he was in the jungle with one other guy and he jumped down from an approx 5 foot ledge and found himself face to face with a fucking monster huge python. He froze in his tracks and didnt want to make the sudden move for his M14 slung over his shoulder so he was slowly reaching for his .45. Just then the other guy jumped down next to him, saw the pale look on his face and asked wtf is wrong. Said he pointed forward at the sake and the next thing he knew he saw the other guys boots flying past his face as he jumped the fuck back on top of the ledge. My father promtly turned and jumped back up behind him.

Now my father shoots every snake he see's lol.
fisterkev  [Member]
7/8/2009 12:35:59 AM
I think if a poisonous snake gets into your bag there's probably not a whole lot you can do at that point, just hope it leaves before you wake up, move, roll, etc. You're just screwed.

Probably better to just not put yourself in a position where that can happen. Personally, I am always enclosed in one sort of shelter or another (tent, bivy, or snugpak jungle bag w/ netting). I don't care for bugs or snakes.
GlutealCleft  [Member]
7/8/2009 12:50:14 AM
Oh, gosh... there was some old 70's TV show where this happened. I don't think it was Little House on the Prairie... well, maybe it was.

They went and got chloroform or ether and poured it on the sleeping bag.
Windjammer223  [Member]
7/9/2009 8:01:35 PM
Hell, its easy to overcome fear of snakes. Just join the Army and go to Col. Rowe's Finest Kind Deep in the swamp E&E School. You will be enticing them in and fixing a hot meal in no time!
protus  [Team Member]
7/14/2009 7:39:47 AM
have had snakes fall off tess onto me...nearly steeped on them etc.

I sleep on th eground here undertarps even in summer.

I actually freak out about ants and bugs crawling on me rather than snakes.
then again im a light sleeper and pick my sleeping spot very wisely.....

that said i keep a knife and my sidearm at arms reach and sleep with my led head lamp on my head all night
dread-pirate  [Team Member]
7/15/2009 11:28:14 AM
But what does one DO if they do find themselves in that situation?

I'm not afraid of snakes, I kind of like them. But I am nervous about what actions one should take (or not) if they happen to find themselves in that conundrum.

I think I now have a reason to add a bottle of chloroform to the BOB.
RedHaze  [Member]
7/16/2009 1:05:32 AM
^^^ Also makes for a great pick-up line.

"Excuse me miss, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"

-HAZE
oregonblackrifle  [Team Member]
7/19/2009 4:40:26 AM
I have woken up w/ a snake in my sleeping bag. Allow me to explain.

Growing up I had several snakes as pets at my moms house. They were all of the large constrictor type. I mainly lived with my Dad, so when at my Moms I shared a room w/ my little brother. Well, one night little bro had himself a gnarly cold and was wheezing, and coughing and basically making sleep impossible for me. So, we kept all of the snakes in the next room, so I grabbed my sleeping bag and a pad and went to sleeping the floor of the snake room.

Well, sometime in the middle of the night I felt this weight on my chest, I opened my eyes and was staring straight into the eyes of my 14 foot red-tailed boa. Coiled up on my chest. Sticking is tongue out at me with this smug look on his face.

I couldn't make a sound, more like a squeaking hiss. I finally manned up and as fast as I could, grabbed hold of his head and rolled over w/ the snake. I kicked the bag loose and put the snake back in his aquarium.

After some looking into it, I found that his heating equipment had gone out and he was cold. So, he pushed his way out of his aquarium and found the next warmest thing. ME.

It's not as bad as you'd think, but not a fun way to wake up.
TNhick  [Member]
7/21/2009 11:57:33 PM
Originally Posted By dread-pirate:
But what does one DO if they do find themselves in that situation?

I'm not afraid of snakes, I kind of like them. But I am nervous about what actions one should take (or not) if they happen to find themselves in that conundrum.

I think I now have a reason to add a bottle of chloroform to the BOB.



I've been into snakes since I was in short pants. I have a few pine snakes now that I raised since they were hatched out of the egg. Three of them are between 5-7 feet long, and all three of those are HONESTLY as large around as a coke can. Ever since I was a kid I would bring snakes home, or to school, sometimes in my pockets. I'm no expert, but, I have been around snakes enough to have a understanding of how they act, to some degree.

If it is cold, and looking for heat in the area you are sleeping in, there is a fair to good chance that it is going to be lathargic to a degree. This will most likely keep it from moving real fast. If a unknown species is inside your sleeping bag, and NOT laying on top of you, the best thing is to SLOWLY remove yourself from the bag without contacting the snake. Remember, snakes are very sensative to vibration, so dont start screaming and such. If it is in your bag and crawling on you, stay still untill it is off you then get out without touching it. If it is curled up on your chest, well, your f@cked! No, really, I dont think that would happen, most likely if one got in your bag it would stay by your side, or around your feet.

A couple of genral snake thoughts. The bigger the snake, the calmer it will be. Big rat snakes are easy to just "pick-up" in a non threatening way with out getting bit. As long as they dont feel threatend, they wont bite when handled. If you pin a snakes head with a stick, then try to pick it up behind the head, this snake will feel threatend, and will bite you if givin a chance. Smaller snakes are often nervous and nippy. With a smaller snake, if it is threatening to bite, if you gently touch it in the body area a few times, genrally, it will calm to were you can pick them up without getting bit. Black racers, kingsnakes, and watersnakes in genral are a little more nervous, and likely to bite when first picked up, but they all have there own "personalitys" . Once you pick up a wild snake let them crawl over your arms/hands in a hand over hand type motion, dont grasp them in a way were they cant move or they will feel threatend, and possably bite.
Non-poisonous snake bites: Getting bit by a snake generally does not hurt. They have very small needle like teeth that are curved inward. So if you do get bit, it may "hang-on" becouse of the curve of there teeth. If this happens do not pull the snake backward, this will only break there teeth off in your skin. You need to push the snakes head forward to release there teeth. You will want to wash a snake bite with soap and water as soon as possable afterward. Sometimes the bite area may get red and irritated, this happens with watersnakes mostly, just wash the area and keep it clean, maybe some triple antibiotic and thats it, it will be fine shortly. There is no rabies with snakes, or other types of disease from non venomous snake bites.
I am always amazed at the degree of fear that snakes instill in folks, expecially men. If you leave them alone, they leave you alone.
Snakes are a vital link in the ecosystem, please do not kill non poisonous snakes, they are good to have around, some even eat poisonous snakes.
RjSteed  [Team Member]
7/22/2009 11:06:18 AM
Could you imagine someone sleeping in the Newd? A man especially? And perhaps a King Snake in the Bag? Doh....

I supposed your only recourse is to either have someone unzip the bag and open it to change the temp in the bag... Or you wait until he gets board... Cause I would imagine he will not leave any time soon just because the sun is up.... How would he know, its dark in the sleeping bag.....
Still thinks its time to sleep... So, your best option is to practice unzipping your bag useing a stick and your teeth if you camp alone.
Or make sure your sleep bag opens almost fully so that you can get a snake out of someone elses bag
dread-pirate  [Team Member]
7/23/2009 10:49:03 PM
Originally Posted By TNhick:
Originally Posted By dread-pirate:
But what does one DO if they do find themselves in that situation?

I'm not afraid of snakes, I kind of like them. But I am nervous about what actions one should take (or not) if they happen to find themselves in that conundrum.

I think I now have a reason to add a bottle of chloroform to the BOB.



I've been into snakes since I was in short pants. I have a few pine snakes now that I raised since they were hatched out of the egg. Three of them are between 5-7 feet long, and all three of those are HONESTLY as large around as a coke can. Ever since I was a kid I would bring snakes home, or to school, sometimes in my pockets. I'm no expert, but, I have been around snakes enough to have a understanding of how they act, to some degree.

If it is cold, and looking for heat in the area you are sleeping in, there is a fair to good chance that it is going to be lathargic to a degree. This will most likely keep it from moving real fast. If a unknown species is inside your sleeping bag, and NOT laying on top of you, the best thing is to SLOWLY remove yourself from the bag without contacting the snake. Remember, snakes are very sensative to vibration, so dont start screaming and such. If it is in your bag and crawling on you, stay still untill it is off you then get out without touching it. If it is curled up on your chest, well, your f@cked! No, really, I dont think that would happen, most likely if one got in your bag it would stay by your side, or around your feet.

A couple of genral snake thoughts. The bigger the snake, the calmer it will be. Big rat snakes are easy to just "pick-up" in a non threatening way with out getting bit. As long as they dont feel threatend, they wont bite when handled. If you pin a snakes head with a stick, then try to pick it up behind the head, this snake will feel threatend, and will bite you if givin a chance. Smaller snakes are often nervous and nippy. With a smaller snake, if it is threatening to bite, if you gently touch it in the body area a few times, genrally, it will calm to were you can pick them up without getting bit. Black racers, kingsnakes, and watersnakes in genral are a little more nervous, and likely to bite when first picked up, but they all have there own "personalitys" . Once you pick up a wild snake let them crawl over your arms/hands in a hand over hand type motion, dont grasp them in a way were they cant move or they will feel threatend, and possably bite.
Non-poisonous snake bites: Getting bit by a snake generally does not hurt. They have very small needle like teeth that are curved inward. So if you do get bit, it may "hang-on" becouse of the curve of there teeth. If this happens do not pull the snake backward, this will only break there teeth off in your skin. You need to push the snakes head forward to release there teeth. You will want to wash a snake bite with soap and water as soon as possable afterward. Sometimes the bite area may get red and irritated, this happens with watersnakes mostly, just wash the area and keep it clean, maybe some triple antibiotic and thats it, it will be fine shortly. There is no rabies with snakes, or other types of disease from non venomous snake bites.
I am always amazed at the degree of fear that snakes instill in folks, expecially men. If you leave them alone, they leave you alone.
Snakes are a vital link in the ecosystem, please do not kill non poisonous snakes, they are good to have around, some even eat poisonous snakes.


Good post here is the problem.

1. There is a snake in your M.F. bag!!! How do you identify it to know if it is poisonous or not, if you are afraid to even move, because moving may cause a poisonous snake to bite?

It is not the non-venomous snakes that scare me. I have no problem with them and have spared a number or black racers in the neighborhood. If one of these wants to curl up and get warm fine with me.

The problem is the poisonous snakes, and the possible inability to identify them. I don't think most people are that scared of the harmless ones. It is the ones that can kill you with a bite, possibly in a very remote area where help is hard to find.

If I have a close encounter with a snake and I am SURE it is non poisonous, it gets to live. If it is poisonous or if I am not sure it is dead. Not that it comes up very often.


DonKey153  [Team Member]
7/25/2009 5:53:40 PM
Originally Posted By DocGP:
Watching Les Stroud in Africa tonight and he tells of a bush story about a man waking up with a Black Mamba in his sleeping bag. Said his friends drag him out of the bag by ths shoulders in about 3 seconds and he is bitten 13 times by the mamba. He didn't make it.

SO, what do you do? I don't have to worry about a black mamba, but cotton mouth or copperhead, maybe rattle snake.....heck, wouldn't matter to me. I don't want ANY of them in my bedroll.

Only thing I could come up with that would be an option would be to lay there till he decides to leave. If you remain motionless, eventually he will (I assume) move on. The only way I could think of to expedidte the process would be to somehow create smoke (without fire) around the person in the bag to maybe run the snake out. Problem with that is when said person starts coughing, they might get bitten.

Any ideas on what to do that WOULDN'T get you bitten?

Doc


wait for it to slither off to the side of you, isolate it in the bag and GTFO.

If I found a snake in my sleeping bag the next place you'd see me would be on a milk carton and the snake would be enjoying his new accomodations.
tothemax  [Team Member]
7/31/2009 10:54:09 PM
we were talking about this very scenario the other night on a fire. alls that we could come up with is your fucked.

thinking about it now the only thing you could do is buy a bag that has a cinch thats close to the top. when you go to sleep cinch it down so it hugs your body...

thats about all i got...
akang  [Member]
8/2/2009 4:53:10 PM
Never had a snake in my bag, but my brother hopped over a log right next to a copper head when we are in the George Washington National Forest. There's a reason I always keep the first shot out of my 629 shot shell.
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