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CollegeBoy  [Team Member]
5/19/2009 12:05:40 PM
I'm moving to the Norfolk Naval Shipyard in June for a 2 year assignment as a public works officer. All my firearms are at my parents' house, where I'm currently packing up my other stuff. My dilemma is that I'm most likely going to have to stay in a hotel or the BOQ for awhile until I find my own place. How big of a pain in the butt is it to store weapons on base until I find an apt? I'd also consider storing them off site at rental storage facility. If worst comes to worst I can leave them at my parents house, but seeing as they live in WI, I don't think I'll be driving back there for some time. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks
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DefensorFortis  [Member]
5/19/2009 2:19:49 PM
When I did my final move with the military, I just hauled my weapons, mags, and ammo myself to my new residence. I didn't want the movers even knowing what I had. You could move the weapons yourself and then go to the MP station, or whatever they call it in the Navy and see if you could have them courtesy store your weapons in their armory until you get your quarters set up. That way your stuff is secure and you don't get caught in temporary quarters with a whole hoop of weapons.
Payback99  [Life Member]
5/19/2009 4:41:50 PM
I have always been told and advocated moving your firearms yourself. I would not trust those .gov movers farther than I can spit. My recommendation is see if you have any buddies in the general area that you can temporarily store your weapons with until you get a place. I STRONGLY advise against storing your weapons in an Armory unless you yourself know the armory custodians and/or are an armorer yourself. Things grow legs and walk out of armories when they don't have .mil serial numbers, dope settings get changed, etc. It is a headache, but figure out how to keep your people killers in your possession.
DefensorFortis  [Member]
5/19/2009 5:09:34 PM
"Hey man, you know they take your guns out and shoot them if you store them in the armory." or, "You know somebody stole Airman Schmuckitelli's gun when he stored it in the armory." I've heard all those stories. But no one ever had any direct evidence of it happening.

I stored several weapons in the armory when I was in the service. I never had a problem in the two years I stored them there. The troops who work in those armories are held liable for everything stored in them. I once went to pull my Sig P220 and AR15 out to go shooting and I thought I was short a mag for the 220. The NCOIC flipped out and started recalling all of his guys until I found the mag under the foam in the case after my buddy said, "Oh yeah I put them there the last time we went out."

That said, any armorer and ultimately the commander is held responsible for any arms, ammunition, and high value items held in their armory. I think you're ok for a few days or weeks until you get settled in. Alot of the horror stories you hear are urban legends.
setlab  [Member]
5/20/2009 2:52:13 AM
From what I have personally seen at my old armory private weapons aren't treated mutch more gentally then service weapons, be prepaired for every joe that walks in the armory to finger fuck your guns and don't be supprised if you get them back with scratches or nicks on them, however small or big they are. When my unit was moving to a different arms room I personally saw a nice m1a1 along with some other stuff (I remember a shotgun too) get all scratched up, made my skin crawl. Make sure if you do store weapons at the armory they are locked in a hard case.
Double-E  [Member]
5/20/2009 12:14:44 PM
Originally Posted By setlab:
From what I have personally seen at my old armory private weapons aren't treated mutch more gentally then service weapons, be prepaired for every joe that walks in the armory to finger fuck your guns and don't be supprised if you get them back with scratches or nicks on them, however small or big they are. When my unit was moving to a different arms room I personally saw a nice m1a1 along with some other stuff (I remember a shotgun too) get all scratched up, made my skin crawl. Make sure if you do store weapons at the armory they are locked in a hard case.



As an Armory supervisor I can tell you that the "Locked Hard Case" will be a big NO-GO. Counts are done daily by touch. Every firearm is accounted for by make, model, caliber and serial number. Counts are done daily by one person, monthly serial numbers and counts are done by two people and yearly three people review the serial numbers. Take all your goodies off them, primarily slings and high dollar scopes and don't turn in any magazines either it's just more crap for us to count and the slings get tangled in the racks and at times some scopes don't fit well depending on the type of racks. If your worried about staff "playing with them" I'd put trigger locks or cable locks on them. Every place I've ever been I've taken care of personal firearms better than my own and as I don't know the mechanical condition of the gun I sure ain't going to be shooting it. Over the years I've even called members to come in and inspect/clean them as my staff should not have to worry about rust on a barrel because some Commander hasn't seen his gun in three years.

I was stationed in Portsmouth in 2000-2002, do take your guns with you. There are plenty of places to shoot and Damneck host the Fleet matches every year so get a NM AR while your there. Your also not that far from Moyock, NC formerly BlackwaterUSA now U.S. Training Center. Find someone in the area to store your guns until you get a place, sponsor? If you don't feel completely comfortable with that, buy a safe for them and drop the safe in the guys garage for a month.

CWO2 (Weps) Sends....

setlab  [Member]
5/20/2009 2:00:53 PM
Originally Posted By Double-E:
Originally Posted By setlab:
From what I have personally seen at my old armory private weapons aren't treated mutch more gentally then service weapons, be prepaired for every joe that walks in the armory to finger fuck your guns and don't be supprised if you get them back with scratches or nicks on them, however small or big they are. When my unit was moving to a different arms room I personally saw a nice m1a1 along with some other stuff (I remember a shotgun too) get all scratched up, made my skin crawl. Make sure if you do store weapons at the armory they are locked in a hard case.



As an Armory supervisor I can tell you that the "Locked Hard Case" will be a big NO-GO. Counts are done daily by touch. Every firearm is accounted for by make, model, caliber and serial number. Counts are done daily by one person, monthly serial numbers and counts are done by two people and yearly three people review the serial numbers. Take all your goodies off them, primarily slings and high dollar scopes and don't turn in any magazines either it's just more crap for us to count and the slings get tangled in the racks and at times some scopes don't fit well depending on the type of racks. If your worried about staff "playing with them" I'd put trigger locks or cable locks on them. Every place I've ever been I've taken care of personal firearms better than my own and as I don't know the mechanical condition of the gun I sure ain't going to be shooting it. Over the years I've even called members to come in and inspect/clean them as my staff should not have to worry about rust on a barrel because some Commander hasn't seen his gun in three years.

I was stationed in Portsmouth in 2000-2002, do take your guns with you. There are plenty of places to shoot and Damneck host the Fleet matches every year so get a NM AR while your there. Your also not that far from Moyock, NC formerly BlackwaterUSA now U.S. Training Center. Find someone in the area to store your guns until you get a place, sponsor? If you don't feel completely comfortable with that, buy a safe for them and drop the safe in the guys garage for a month.

CWO2 (Weps) Sends....




I guess it all depends on your unit and the people in charge of it. Mine was run by e-4s on top of other things.
scoutfsu99  [Team Member]
5/20/2009 7:44:19 PM
Originally Posted By DefensorFortis:
"Hey man, you know they take your guns out and shoot them if you store them in the armory." or, "You know somebody stole Airman Schmuckitelli's gun when he stored it in the armory." I've heard all those stories. But no one ever had any direct evidence of it happening.

I stored several weapons in the armory when I was in the service. I never had a problem in the two years I stored them there. The troops who work in those armories are held liable for everything stored in them. I once went to pull my Sig P220 and AR15 out to go shooting and I thought I was short a mag for the 220. The NCOIC flipped out and started recalling all of his guys until I found the mag under the foam in the case after my buddy said, "Oh yeah I put them there the last time we went out."

That said, any armorer and ultimately the commander is held responsible for any arms, ammunition, and high value items held in their armory. I think you're ok for a few days or weeks until you get settled in. Alot of the horror stories you hear are urban legends.


An armorer in my last unit got hemmed up over taking POW's out to the range. So yes, yes they do take your guns out and shoot them. It might be rare, but I was there to see the end results
support_six  [Team Member]
5/21/2009 3:29:09 PM
I used to provide the serial numbers to Personnel so an ammendment could be cut to my PCS orders. That ensured the contract carrier would have to ship them. Then, I would be present when the carrier packed me up and I would show them the guns, show them the orders, and tell them that if they are handled, fired, disturbed in any way, the full weight of the FBI would be down on them quickly. I never had a problem!

As far as storage at your base, others have addressed that.

Here's a true story. As an Army Captain posted to Fort Lee, VA, and living on post, I had a neighbor ring my doorbell one evening. He was a brand new Second Lieutenant who had just come from college and had the moving truck finishing up in his driveway. He said he had a problem. The guns listed on the packing documents were not on the truck. His household goods had been offloaded at a carrier's warehouse and reloaded for a local delivery. The driver claimed he had taken everything off his truck that was put on it. He had picked up a couple of locals to help with the unloading. With the 2LT in tow, I went to his house, gathered up the moving crew, and said words to the effect of, "Guys, this soldier had weapons in Utah which were entrusted to your company. You claim you don't have them. He and I are going into his house for 5 minutes and will then return. If those weapons are not presented, I'm going to call the Provost Marshall (Chief of Police to you!) and he will do two things. First, he will close this post to traffic going on and off till this incident is resolved. And two, being Federal property, the PM will have the FBI here in about 30 minutes to do a full investigation. You will remain here till it's finished!" We walked into his quarters and in four minutes there was a knock at the door. "We found them! They were under the seat of the truck! I wonder how they got there!"
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