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 class A question, regimental crest above name tape?
1911greg  [Member]
7/21/2007 7:47:39 AM
Do you have to wear a regimental crest above your name tape? I haven't been wearing one and one of my friends asked about it.

I thought you only wore that if you wanted to affiliate with a regiment???
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DirtyDon  [Member]
7/21/2007 8:05:52 AM
Others more recently exerienced than I will respond (I got out 10 years ago), but from what I remember......

If you affiliate with a regiment you wear that crest.

You wear the crest of the regiment you're stationed with (not sure on this one)

I always wore the Military Intelligence crest, regardless of my regiment (which is why I'm not sure)

Don't think this helped much, sorry.

Edited fer spellin
1911greg  [Member]
7/21/2007 8:49:56 AM

Originally Posted By DirtyDon:
Others more recently exerienced than I will respond (I got out 10 years ago), but from what I remember......

If you affiliate with a regiment you wear that crest.

You wear the crest of the regiment you're stationed with (not sure on this one)

I always wore the Military Intelligence crest, regardless of my regiment (which is why I'm not sure)

Don't think this helped much, sorry.

Edited fer spellin


roger, on my shoulders I wear MY unit crest so am I required to affiliate with a regiment?
DirtyDon  [Member]
7/21/2007 9:06:47 AM
Someone with more current knowledge should hopefully chime in. I wore my battalion crest on my epaulets and garrison cap, and MI crest above my name tag.

The only time I recall seeing someone without a regimental cest was when they were not MOS qualified.

Again, this is dated info and my memory is rapidly fading in regards to the regs....
lasertech  [Team Member]
7/21/2007 11:37:46 AM
Thinking back to my 13B days. I wore the regimental crest of the artillery regiment I had affiliated with. When I changed MOS' to 45G, I wore the Ordnance Regimental crest. I think that as long as you have a combat arms MOS, you can affiliate with a specific regiment, if not you go with the Branch Regiment.

That make sense?
Manic_Moran  [Team Member]
7/21/2007 12:08:31 PM
I didn't wear a crest for some time, and nobody said a thing. However, I think Lasertech is more or less correct, it seems that various corps such as Engineers or MI have a generic corps-wide crest that is worn, whilst other MOSs do not have such, and I wear my unit's crest both on the shoulders and above the nametape. When I change units, I may well keep my current unit's crest.

NTM
Sgt_Gold  [Member]
7/21/2007 8:19:02 PM
This is for the most part correct, but I'll elaborate a little on the subject. If you are in a combat arms unit with a combat arms MOS, you wear the DUI of the unit you're assigned to. If I were to go back into an infantry unit I would wear the DUI on both shoulders, the beret, and above my right pocket on the dress uniform. If you aren't in a combat arms MOS, you would still wear the DUI of the unit you're assigned to, but you could wear one of the branch crests over your right pocket. I'm currently an MP assigned to a signal unit, and I wear the signal unit crest on my shoulders, and the MP regiment crest on my chest. If I wanted to affiliate with a different regiment, I would have to apply to wear my affiliates DUI as per AR 600-82 or NG 600-82.



Originally Posted By lasertech:
Thinking back to my 13B days. I wore the regimental crest of the artillery regiment I had affiliated with. When I changed MOS' to 45G, I wore the Ordnance Regimental crest. I think that as long as you have a combat arms MOS, you can affiliate with a specific regiment, if not you go with the Branch Regiment.

That make sense?
lasertech  [Team Member]
7/21/2007 9:42:58 PM
In thinking about it, I didn't make myself clear. You always wear the DUI of the unit you are assigned to ion the shoulders and beret, however, the DUI above the right pocket you would wear the DUI of the regiment you are affiliated with. It could be the current unit you are in or another within your branch. As a 13B I was assigned to the 1/77 FA at Ft. Knox, however my regimental affiliation was the 11th FA and so I wore their crest above my right pocket. When I reclassed as a 45G, I had to always wear the Ordnance Corps regimental crest.
As an MP you would always wear the MP regimental crest regardless of what unit you would be assigned to.

Clear as mud ain't it? Anyhow, I've been out since '92 and things might have changed.


Originally Posted By Sgt_Gold:
This is for the most part correct, but I'll elaborate a little on the subject. If you are in a combat arms unit with a combat arms MOS, you wear the DUI of the unit you're assigned to. If I were to go back into an infantry unit I would wear the DUI on both shoulders, the beret, and above my right pocket on the dress uniform. If you aren't in a combat arms MOS, you would still wear the DUI of the unit you're assigned to, but you could wear one of the branch crests over your right pocket. I'm currently an MP assigned to a signal unit, and I wear the signal unit crest on my shoulders, and the MP regiment crest on my chest. If I wanted to affiliate with a different regiment, I would have to apply to wear my affiliates DUI as per AR 600-82 or NG 600-82.



Originally Posted By lasertech:
Thinking back to my 13B days. I wore the regimental crest of the artillery regiment I had affiliated with. When I changed MOS' to 45G, I wore the Ordnance Regimental crest. I think that as long as you have a combat arms MOS, you can affiliate with a specific regiment, if not you go with the Branch Regiment.

That make sense?
GulDuCal  [Team Member]
7/22/2007 7:03:15 AM
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Originally Posted By lasertech:
In thinking about it, I didn't make myself clear. You always wear the DUI of the unit you are assigned to on the shoulders and beret, however, the DUI RDI above the right pocket you would wear the DUI RDI of the regiment you are affiliated with. ...
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DUI - Distinctive Unit Insignia

RDI - Regimental Distinctive Insignia

Infantry (Infantry, Parachute, Airborne, Ranger), Artillery, Air Defense, Armor, Cavalry, and Aviation Regiments have a lot of "numbered" Regiments. Other branches such as Engineers, MPs, Ordnance, Quartermaster, etc., each have only one RDI to represent the entire branch.

Engineers used to have "numbered" Regiments. Notably, the 2nd Engineer Regiment which fought along-side the Marines at Belleau Wood. The 20th Engineer Regiment once had 29 battalions! After WWII, the Engineer regiments went away. Today the Engineer Regiment is the Engineer Corps.

(ETA: I just looked at AR 600-82, and if you are Infantry, Armor, Artillery, etc., it seems you need to do a Personnel Action form (4187) to officially become affiliated with a Regiment.)

TANGOCHASER  [Team Member]
7/22/2007 1:04:17 PM
I affiliated with the 6th Field Artilery Regiment when the program began back in the 80's as it was the first MLRS unit in the world. I wore that RDI for over 15 years till retirement. You wore a RDI only if you are affiliated with a regiment. This is done via DA 4187 requesting affiliation. You also do not have to wear one if you choose just like a combat patch.

The intent of the regiment affiliate program is, when a soldier is being considered for assignemt, the assignment branch is supposed to look for a position in the regiment you affiliated with first, then needs of the army.

The problem has been, every time I PCS'd some asshat at PAC changed my regiment affiliate to the unit I was in. I had to get it changed every damn time I moved.

Every unit I was in, the officers were told to wear the RDI of the current unit to show loyalty to the unit. Freaking BS.

Basically, no Regiment Affiliate, don't wear an RDI. You will actually be out of uniform. Check your ERB though, as someone may have affiliated you without your knowledge.
Sgt_Gold  [Member]
7/22/2007 2:04:19 PM
The Army has done such a good job distroying the regimantal system it's a wonder they still insist in using DUI's and RDI's. Up until the end of the cold war, divisions had the same basic makeup that they had at the end of WWII. I know the 1st ID kept the same three infantry regiments as part of their TOE for over 50 years. With they way they are mixing and matching units these days, a brigade can consist of units from three or four different regiments, all wearing their distinctive insignia. Regiments used to be the basic building blocks of larger sized units, but today unless you're a Ranger or armored cav, they really only exist on paper as a way to track history and keep lineage alive. The Army really needs to cut back on the amoung of stuff they make you hang off your class A's.
1911greg  [Member]
7/23/2007 6:23:31 PM
ok so long story short I do not have to wear the RDI if I am not affiliated...?
Sgt_Gold  [Member]
7/24/2007 9:44:02 AM
Correct. If you're a combat arms Soldier you would wear your current unit of assignment, if you're not you wear one of the branch insignia.


Originally Posted By 1911greg:
ok so long story short I do not have to wear the RDI if I am not affiliated...?
TANGOCHASER  [Team Member]
7/24/2007 11:17:32 AM
I stand corrected. AR 600-82 states;

para 3-2

(2) All combat arms officers and soldiers will affiliate with a
regiment upon arrival at their first unit of assignment. These soldiers
will be affiliated with their regiment of assignment unless they
voluntarily select another.
Combat arms officers and soldiers whose
initial Army assignment is not to a regimental unit may defer selection
until they are so assigned.

4–4. Affiliation policy
a. All CS, CSS, special branches and engineer officers and enlisted
soldiers will be automatically affiliated with their corps or
special branch upon graduation from the branch or MOS producing
schools, or upon award of a CS, CSS, special branch or engineer
PMOS. Regimental affiliation is based on a soldier’s branch as
determined by PMOS or specialty. AR 670–1 contains a listing of
all authorized MOSs and the corresponding branch of service.

If you have not selected a regiment other than the one you are in, you wear the RDI of your current assignment.
1911greg  [Member]
7/24/2007 2:24:38 PM

Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
I stand corrected. AR 600-82 states;

para 3-2

(2) All combat arms officers and soldiers will affiliate with a
regiment upon arrival at their first unit of assignment. These soldiers
will be affiliated with their regiment of assignment unless they
voluntarily select another.
Combat arms officers and soldiers whose
initial Army assignment is not to a regimental unit may defer selection
until they are so assigned.

4–4. Affiliation policy
a. All CS, CSS, special branches and engineer officers and enlisted
soldiers will be automatically affiliated with their corps or
special branch upon graduation from the branch or MOS producing
schools, or upon award of a CS, CSS, special branch or engineer
PMOS. Regimental affiliation is based on a soldier’s branch as
determined by PMOS or specialty. AR 670–1 contains a listing of
all authorized MOSs and the corresponding branch of service.

If you have not selected a regiment other than the one you are in, you wear the RDI of your current assignment.


ahh crap so I actually need one???
DVCAPI  [Member]
7/30/2007 5:36:58 PM
When did they start wearing a DUI above your pocket, never saw this during my time '73-'79?
the_professional  [Member]
7/30/2007 5:47:56 PM
AR 670-1.
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