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Rant on ROTC cadets and proper wear of the Class A/ASU uniform
2/19/2012 11:33:34 AM
Little background. Six years in the Army Reserves, NCO for three years, deployments to Iraq as a 21C and Afghanistan as a 12B doing Route Clearance. I may not be the most squared away soldier, but I take pride in my appearance in a military uniform, especially in a formal setting when there is lots of brass and senior NCO's present.
Last night I went to my first ROTC dining out. I got there a bit early with my wife, so I had about an hour to stand around and shoot the shit with the other cadets in my MS3 class prior to the receiving line. While standing there I noticed some of the egrarious fuckups of the Class A/ASU uniform that I have ever seen. Most of it was related to the proper order of ribbons. One cadet who had been deployed had two GWOT medals. I suppose he was too lazy to purchase another rack, so he just put one in the correct place and one above his ARCOM. Another female who had also been deployed looked like she had just tossed her ribbons in a fishbowl, and then randomely selected each ribbon and put it on the rack. Her ARCOM was in the next to last position, right in front of her Iraq Campaign Medal, and the NDSM was in the highest position. It pissed me off that cadets who are soon to be commissioned as officers cannot take two minutes to get online and ensure that something so simple as the order of their ribbons is correct.
Many of the females in the Class A uniform had no idea of what the proper footwear they should be wearing, so I saw a conglamorate of covilian high heel shoes woth no attempt made to get close to the Army standard. One thing I have learned is if you don't know the answer, find out rather than guess. Guessing will generally be wrong.
The worst fuckup I saw though was what appeared to be a first year cadet who had gone through Basic/AIT prior to joining ROTC. He was wearing his issue ASU's, and he had sewn his unit patch onto the left shoulder. Again, AR670-1 has all the information these cadets need to know on the proper wear and appearance of the Army uniforms. The pure unadulterated ignorance and laziness of some of these cadets makes me worry about the future of the Army. I realize that many of these cadets have zero military knowledge outside of ROTC, but rather than take it upon themselves to learn they choose to just throw on the uniform as it is given to them and proceed to look like a bag of smashed assholes.
I would have loved to individually correct each of these cadets, but there were simply too damn many violators to even begin. A bored CSM would have been in heaven with this many fuckups to correct.
Rant over.
Last night I went to my first ROTC dining out. I got there a bit early with my wife, so I had about an hour to stand around and shoot the shit with the other cadets in my MS3 class prior to the receiving line. While standing there I noticed some of the egrarious fuckups of the Class A/ASU uniform that I have ever seen. Most of it was related to the proper order of ribbons. One cadet who had been deployed had two GWOT medals. I suppose he was too lazy to purchase another rack, so he just put one in the correct place and one above his ARCOM. Another female who had also been deployed looked like she had just tossed her ribbons in a fishbowl, and then randomely selected each ribbon and put it on the rack. Her ARCOM was in the next to last position, right in front of her Iraq Campaign Medal, and the NDSM was in the highest position. It pissed me off that cadets who are soon to be commissioned as officers cannot take two minutes to get online and ensure that something so simple as the order of their ribbons is correct.
Many of the females in the Class A uniform had no idea of what the proper footwear they should be wearing, so I saw a conglamorate of covilian high heel shoes woth no attempt made to get close to the Army standard. One thing I have learned is if you don't know the answer, find out rather than guess. Guessing will generally be wrong.
The worst fuckup I saw though was what appeared to be a first year cadet who had gone through Basic/AIT prior to joining ROTC. He was wearing his issue ASU's, and he had sewn his unit patch onto the left shoulder. Again, AR670-1 has all the information these cadets need to know on the proper wear and appearance of the Army uniforms. The pure unadulterated ignorance and laziness of some of these cadets makes me worry about the future of the Army. I realize that many of these cadets have zero military knowledge outside of ROTC, but rather than take it upon themselves to learn they choose to just throw on the uniform as it is given to them and proceed to look like a bag of smashed assholes.
I would have loved to individually correct each of these cadets, but there were simply too damn many violators to even begin. A bored CSM would have been in heaven with this many fuckups to correct.
Rant over.
2/19/2012 11:44:33 AM
Originally Posted By OIF_Vet08-09:
Little background. Six years in the Army Reserves, NCO for three years, deployments to Iraq as a 21C and Afghanistan as a 12B doing Route Clearance. I may not be the most squared away soldier, but I take pride in my appearance in a military uniform, especially in a formal setting when there is lots of brass and senior NCO's present.
Last night I went to my first ROTC dining out. I got there a bit early with my wife, so I had about an hour to stand around and shoot the shit with the other cadets in my MS3 class prior to the receiving line. While standing there I noticed some of the egrarious fuckups of the Class A/ASU uniform that I have ever seen. Most of it was related to the proper order of ribbons. One cadet who had been deployed had two GWOT medals. I suppose he was too lazy to purchase another rack, so he just put one in the correct place and one above his ARCOM. Another female who had also been deployed looked like she had just tossed her ribbons in a fishbowl, and then randomely selected each ribbon and put it on the rack. Her ARCOM was in the next to last position, right in front of her Iraq Campaign Medal, and the NDSM was in the highest position. It pissed me off that cadets who are soon to be commissioned as officers cannot take two minutes to get online and ensure that something so simple as the order of their ribbons is correct.
Many of the females in the Class A uniform had no idea of what the proper footwear they should be wearing, so I saw a conglamorate of covilian high heel shoes woth no attempt made to get close to the Army standard. One thing I have learned is if you don't know the answer, find out rather than guess. Guessing will generally be wrong.
The worst fuckup I saw though was what appeared to be a first year cadet who had gone through Basic/AIT prior to joining ROTC. He was wearing his issue ASU's, and he had sewn his unit patch onto the left shoulder. Again, AR670-1 has all the information these cadets need to know on the proper wear and appearance of the Army uniforms. The pure unadulterated ignorance and laziness of some of these cadets makes me worry about the future of the Army. I realize that many of these cadets have zero military knowledge outside of ROTC, but rather than take it upon themselves to learn they choose to just throw on the uniform as it is given to them and proceed to look like a bag of smashed assholes.
I would have loved to individually correct each of these cadets, but there were simply too damn many violators to even begin. A bored CSM would have been in heaven with this many fuckups to correct.
Rant over.
Little background. Six years in the Army Reserves, NCO for three years, deployments to Iraq as a 21C and Afghanistan as a 12B doing Route Clearance. I may not be the most squared away soldier, but I take pride in my appearance in a military uniform, especially in a formal setting when there is lots of brass and senior NCO's present.
Last night I went to my first ROTC dining out. I got there a bit early with my wife, so I had about an hour to stand around and shoot the shit with the other cadets in my MS3 class prior to the receiving line. While standing there I noticed some of the egrarious fuckups of the Class A/ASU uniform that I have ever seen. Most of it was related to the proper order of ribbons. One cadet who had been deployed had two GWOT medals. I suppose he was too lazy to purchase another rack, so he just put one in the correct place and one above his ARCOM. Another female who had also been deployed looked like she had just tossed her ribbons in a fishbowl, and then randomely selected each ribbon and put it on the rack. Her ARCOM was in the next to last position, right in front of her Iraq Campaign Medal, and the NDSM was in the highest position. It pissed me off that cadets who are soon to be commissioned as officers cannot take two minutes to get online and ensure that something so simple as the order of their ribbons is correct.
Many of the females in the Class A uniform had no idea of what the proper footwear they should be wearing, so I saw a conglamorate of covilian high heel shoes woth no attempt made to get close to the Army standard. One thing I have learned is if you don't know the answer, find out rather than guess. Guessing will generally be wrong.
The worst fuckup I saw though was what appeared to be a first year cadet who had gone through Basic/AIT prior to joining ROTC. He was wearing his issue ASU's, and he had sewn his unit patch onto the left shoulder. Again, AR670-1 has all the information these cadets need to know on the proper wear and appearance of the Army uniforms. The pure unadulterated ignorance and laziness of some of these cadets makes me worry about the future of the Army. I realize that many of these cadets have zero military knowledge outside of ROTC, but rather than take it upon themselves to learn they choose to just throw on the uniform as it is given to them and proceed to look like a bag of smashed assholes.
I would have loved to individually correct each of these cadets, but there were simply too damn many violators to even begin. A bored CSM would have been in heaven with this many fuckups to correct.
Rant over.
A) Your detachment Should have had a Class A inspection a week or two before the event
B) Where the hell is both the cadet and actual leadership?
2/19/2012 11:47:41 AM
How are the Cadets to know if not trained?
There are no NCO's around to teach the Cadidiots?
There are no NCO's around to teach the Cadidiots?
2/19/2012 11:47:43 AM
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
A) Your detachment Should have had a Class A inspection a week or two before the event
B) Where the hell is both the cadet and actual leadership?
Originally Posted By OIF_Vet08-09:
Little background. Six years in the Army Reserves, NCO for three years, deployments to Iraq as a 21C and Afghanistan as a 12B doing Route Clearance. I may not be the most squared away soldier, but I take pride in my appearance in a military uniform, especially in a formal setting when there is lots of brass and senior NCO's present.
Last night I went to my first ROTC dining out. I got there a bit early with my wife, so I had about an hour to stand around and shoot the shit with the other cadets in my MS3 class prior to the receiving line. While standing there I noticed some of the egrarious fuckups of the Class A/ASU uniform that I have ever seen. Most of it was related to the proper order of ribbons. One cadet who had been deployed had two GWOT medals. I suppose he was too lazy to purchase another rack, so he just put one in the correct place and one above his ARCOM. Another female who had also been deployed looked like she had just tossed her ribbons in a fishbowl, and then randomely selected each ribbon and put it on the rack. Her ARCOM was in the next to last position, right in front of her Iraq Campaign Medal, and the NDSM was in the highest position. It pissed me off that cadets who are soon to be commissioned as officers cannot take two minutes to get online and ensure that something so simple as the order of their ribbons is correct.
Many of the females in the Class A uniform had no idea of what the proper footwear they should be wearing, so I saw a conglamorate of covilian high heel shoes woth no attempt made to get close to the Army standard. One thing I have learned is if you don't know the answer, find out rather than guess. Guessing will generally be wrong.
The worst fuckup I saw though was what appeared to be a first year cadet who had gone through Basic/AIT prior to joining ROTC. He was wearing his issue ASU's, and he had sewn his unit patch onto the left shoulder. Again, AR670-1 has all the information these cadets need to know on the proper wear and appearance of the Army uniforms. The pure unadulterated ignorance and laziness of some of these cadets makes me worry about the future of the Army. I realize that many of these cadets have zero military knowledge outside of ROTC, but rather than take it upon themselves to learn they choose to just throw on the uniform as it is given to them and proceed to look like a bag of smashed assholes.
I would have loved to individually correct each of these cadets, but there were simply too damn many violators to even begin. A bored CSM would have been in heaven with this many fuckups to correct.
Rant over.
Little background. Six years in the Army Reserves, NCO for three years, deployments to Iraq as a 21C and Afghanistan as a 12B doing Route Clearance. I may not be the most squared away soldier, but I take pride in my appearance in a military uniform, especially in a formal setting when there is lots of brass and senior NCO's present.
Last night I went to my first ROTC dining out. I got there a bit early with my wife, so I had about an hour to stand around and shoot the shit with the other cadets in my MS3 class prior to the receiving line. While standing there I noticed some of the egrarious fuckups of the Class A/ASU uniform that I have ever seen. Most of it was related to the proper order of ribbons. One cadet who had been deployed had two GWOT medals. I suppose he was too lazy to purchase another rack, so he just put one in the correct place and one above his ARCOM. Another female who had also been deployed looked like she had just tossed her ribbons in a fishbowl, and then randomely selected each ribbon and put it on the rack. Her ARCOM was in the next to last position, right in front of her Iraq Campaign Medal, and the NDSM was in the highest position. It pissed me off that cadets who are soon to be commissioned as officers cannot take two minutes to get online and ensure that something so simple as the order of their ribbons is correct.
Many of the females in the Class A uniform had no idea of what the proper footwear they should be wearing, so I saw a conglamorate of covilian high heel shoes woth no attempt made to get close to the Army standard. One thing I have learned is if you don't know the answer, find out rather than guess. Guessing will generally be wrong.
The worst fuckup I saw though was what appeared to be a first year cadet who had gone through Basic/AIT prior to joining ROTC. He was wearing his issue ASU's, and he had sewn his unit patch onto the left shoulder. Again, AR670-1 has all the information these cadets need to know on the proper wear and appearance of the Army uniforms. The pure unadulterated ignorance and laziness of some of these cadets makes me worry about the future of the Army. I realize that many of these cadets have zero military knowledge outside of ROTC, but rather than take it upon themselves to learn they choose to just throw on the uniform as it is given to them and proceed to look like a bag of smashed assholes.
I would have loved to individually correct each of these cadets, but there were simply too damn many violators to even begin. A bored CSM would have been in heaven with this many fuckups to correct.
Rant over.
A) Your detachment Should have had a Class A inspection a week or two before the event
B) Where the hell is both the cadet and actual leadership?
I'll go with these two
I've had to restrain myself from jumping in some ROTC Cadets around school.... making out with your girlfriend isn't right no matter what when you're both in uniform.....
2/19/2012 11:58:12 AM
There was a Class A inspection the week prior. However, the non-contracted cadets are not "required" to show up. Also, some of the cadets were from our satellite programs. Hence, you have a shitload of cadets showing up in various configurations out a sheer ignorance and laziness. Some PSG is going to have a heart attack when he see's his brand new 2LT for the first time.
2/19/2012 12:07:03 PM
Originally Posted By OIF_Vet08-09:
There was a Class A inspection the week prior. However, the non-contracted cadets are not "required" to show up. Also, some of the cadets were from our satellite programs. Hence, you have a shitload of cadets showing up in various configurations out a sheer ignorance and laziness. Some PSG is going to have a heart attack when he see's his brand new 2LT for the first time.
There was a Class A inspection the week prior. However, the non-contracted cadets are not "required" to show up. Also, some of the cadets were from our satellite programs. Hence, you have a shitload of cadets showing up in various configurations out a sheer ignorance and laziness. Some PSG is going to have a heart attack when he see's his brand new 2LT for the first time.
should have been mandatory if you wanted to participate in the ball....
If I was at a ROTC dining in and Marine Midshipmen showed up looking like ass I don't think I'd be able to get a word in - needless to say they'd be going back to their rooms to fix their uniforms or, for the evening.
2/19/2012 12:11:00 PM
Originally Posted By NUCdt04:
Originally Posted By OIF_Vet08-09:
There was a Class A inspection the week prior. However, the non-contracted cadets are not "required" to show up. Also, some of the cadets were from our satellite programs. Hence, you have a shitload of cadets showing up in various configurations out a sheer ignorance and laziness. Some PSG is going to have a heart attack when he see's his brand new 2LT for the first time.
There was a Class A inspection the week prior. However, the non-contracted cadets are not "required" to show up. Also, some of the cadets were from our satellite programs. Hence, you have a shitload of cadets showing up in various configurations out a sheer ignorance and laziness. Some PSG is going to have a heart attack when he see's his brand new 2LT for the first time.
should have been mandatory if you wanted to participate in the ball....
If I was at a ROTC dining in and Marine Midshipmen showed up looking like ass I don't think I'd be able to get a word in - needless to say they'd be going back to their rooms to fix their uniforms or, for the evening.
I think what I was most pissed off about was that most of the cadets showed zero initiative to read the regulations and figure out the correct wear of the uniform. I realize that would cut into their personal time, but if they want to be a good Army officer they are going to have to learn that personal time is of secondary importance to the mission, in this case setting up their uniform.
2/19/2012 7:26:07 PM
I'm surprised they even let them into the dining in if their uniforms looked jacked. At the Air Force balls or Dinings in I've been to you are looked over before you come in and if you are wrong you're not admitted until your shit is right. You better hope it's something you can fix right there or it's a quick trip home. You wouldn't believe how many dolled up wives get pissed because hubby forgot his collar insignia for his service jacket.
2/19/2012 8:28:30 PM
Originally Posted By OIF_Vet08-09:
I think what I was most pissed off about was that most of the cadets showed zero initiative to read the regulations and figure out the correct wear of the uniform. I realize that would cut into their personal time, but if they want to be a good Army officer they are going to have to learn that personal time is of secondary importance to the mission, in this case setting up their uniform.
Originally Posted By NUCdt04:
Originally Posted By OIF_Vet08-09:
There was a Class A inspection the week prior. However, the non-contracted cadets are not "required" to show up. Also, some of the cadets were from our satellite programs. Hence, you have a shitload of cadets showing up in various configurations out a sheer ignorance and laziness. Some PSG is going to have a heart attack when he see's his brand new 2LT for the first time.
There was a Class A inspection the week prior. However, the non-contracted cadets are not "required" to show up. Also, some of the cadets were from our satellite programs. Hence, you have a shitload of cadets showing up in various configurations out a sheer ignorance and laziness. Some PSG is going to have a heart attack when he see's his brand new 2LT for the first time.
should have been mandatory if you wanted to participate in the ball....
If I was at a ROTC dining in and Marine Midshipmen showed up looking like ass I don't think I'd be able to get a word in - needless to say they'd be going back to their rooms to fix their uniforms or, for the evening.
I think what I was most pissed off about was that most of the cadets showed zero initiative to read the regulations and figure out the correct wear of the uniform. I realize that would cut into their personal time, but if they want to be a good Army officer they are going to have to learn that personal time is of secondary importance to the mission, in this case setting up their uniform.
You should square your buddies away. Did you approach them at the dining in and let them know they were assed up? I correct young Soldiers here at Bragg all the time when I see some jacked up shit going on with their uniform. Some folks do not know where to look for the answers... it's your job as a leader to show them the way. One thing my ROTC NCO's taught me years ago is that good leaders correct mistakes when they see them.
2/19/2012 9:22:21 PM
Sounds like the prior service guys/gals, and SMP (do they still call it that) types were just as confused as new cadets.
I can understand the new cadets not knowing where to look for the correct info but the prior service types have no excuses.
Both the Cadet COC and Cadre screwed up by not having a "How to wear the uniform class" and failing to conduct pre even inspections.
Did any one correct the screw ups?
Monk
I can understand the new cadets not knowing where to look for the correct info but the prior service types have no excuses.
Both the Cadet COC and Cadre screwed up by not having a "How to wear the uniform class" and failing to conduct pre even inspections.
Did any one correct the screw ups?
Monk
2/20/2012 5:30:06 AM
im torn
half of me says that future leaders should be smart enough to know right from wrong or at least know where to look and who to ask
the other half of me understands, ive havent worn my class A's since 2006 and PFC me is different from SSG me (size, unit, rank, awards) and class A's are not on the short list of things to do
gonna go with the first answer though. cadets in my experience are generally fucked up. just privates of the officer world.
half of me says that future leaders should be smart enough to know right from wrong or at least know where to look and who to ask
the other half of me understands, ive havent worn my class A's since 2006 and PFC me is different from SSG me (size, unit, rank, awards) and class A's are not on the short list of things to do
gonna go with the first answer though. cadets in my experience are generally fucked up. just privates of the officer world.
2/20/2012 5:58:29 AM
When I went to NCO school at Ft. Knox the summer of 1978 there was a ROTC summer camp group in the barracks next to ours. They'd come back from a road march, pull their fatigue shirts off, sit down in the shade under the trees and field strip their M16's and wipe them down before reassembling them. We couldn't get over it. A bunch of future officers in the US Army not even being trained to properly wear their uniforms. Outside, sitting in the grass, no hats, no shirts, etc. What a mess. I'd already made up my mind I was getting out and I was never sorry. Four years in. Four platoon leaders with only two of them being worth saluting. Three platton sgts. and only 2 of them being worth anything. At least the NCOs had a better success rate than the officers. I don't know if its worse or better these days but I don't have to worry about it.
2/20/2012 7:20:28 AM
I see both Army and AF cadets all over campus. I've never seen an Army cadet so far in A's. Sometimes I see the AF people in dress uniform though. They always wear ACU's and whatever the AF calls em. They generally look squared away. I see a couple trucks parked nearby that obviously belongs to their instructors. Plenty of infantry stickers and such along with Ft. Campbell base stickers. So I assume that is why the Army cadets look pretty squared away. 
2/20/2012 4:59:36 PM
i wore my ASU on Christmas morning, no reason, just a personal choice. unfortunately, I haven't worn it since BCT and that was for a 30 minute Battery inspection, so it was ten types of ate up.
(wrong ranks, insignia missing, units patch. ribbons.etc.) got the correct missing peices, assembled it. and the the week before, I had my PSG and commander look it over for final approval.
there is no way I'm gonna look like ass in it. Mr and Mrs. can't get right? just a failure to maintain the standard and personal honor.
plenty of resources to aid them, yet they failed to meet the standard.
inexcusable if you are green to gold Joe or Jane.
you know what right looks like, so fucking do it.
(wrong ranks, insignia missing, units patch. ribbons.etc.) got the correct missing peices, assembled it. and the the week before, I had my PSG and commander look it over for final approval.
there is no way I'm gonna look like ass in it. Mr and Mrs. can't get right? just a failure to maintain the standard and personal honor.
plenty of resources to aid them, yet they failed to meet the standard.
inexcusable if you are green to gold Joe or Jane.
you know what right looks like, so fucking do it.
2/21/2012 10:21:37 AM
Originally Posted By OIF_Vet08-09:
I think what I was most pissed off about was that most of the cadets showed zero initiative to read the regulations and figure out the correct wear of the uniform. I realize that would cut into their personal time, but if they want to be a good Army officer they are going to have to learn that personal time is of secondary importance to the mission, in this case setting up their uniform.
Originally Posted By NUCdt04:
Originally Posted By OIF_Vet08-09:
There was a Class A inspection the week prior. However, the non-contracted cadets are not "required" to show up. Also, some of the cadets were from our satellite programs. Hence, you have a shitload of cadets showing up in various configurations out a sheer ignorance and laziness. Some PSG is going to have a heart attack when he see's his brand new 2LT for the first time.
There was a Class A inspection the week prior. However, the non-contracted cadets are not "required" to show up. Also, some of the cadets were from our satellite programs. Hence, you have a shitload of cadets showing up in various configurations out a sheer ignorance and laziness. Some PSG is going to have a heart attack when he see's his brand new 2LT for the first time.
should have been mandatory if you wanted to participate in the ball....
If I was at a ROTC dining in and Marine Midshipmen showed up looking like ass I don't think I'd be able to get a word in - needless to say they'd be going back to their rooms to fix their uniforms or, for the evening.
I think what I was most pissed off about was that most of the cadets showed zero initiative to read the regulations and figure out the correct wear of the uniform. I realize that would cut into their personal time, but if they want to be a good Army officer they are going to have to learn that personal time is of secondary importance to the mission, in this case setting up their uniform.
And you showed zero initiative in making sure your teammates were squared away. Their failure to properly wear the uniform could have been avoided had they been able to leverage your experience as a former NCO.
When your team fails, you fail.
2/22/2012 10:26:39 PM
sigh...
2/24/2012 10:43:47 PM
I kicked MS4 cadets out of inspections and formal functions for jacked up uniforms. I thought my PMS was going to shit himself. Apparantly he'd never seen a MSG unfuck someone before.
2/25/2012 6:50:53 AM
Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
I kicked MS4 cadets out of inspections and formal functions for jacked up uniforms. I thought my PMS was going to shit himself. Apparantly he'd never seen a MSG unfuck someone before.
I kicked MS4 cadets out of inspections and formal functions for jacked up uniforms. I thought my PMS was going to shit himself. Apparantly he'd never seen a MSG unfuck someone before.
2/25/2012 3:29:24 PM
Sounds to me like this is a failure on the leaders part like others have said
OP
Essayons, Engineers lead the way!
OP
Essayons, Engineers lead the way!
2/25/2012 3:40:08 PM
ROTC was a soup sammich. I watched a guy fire down a road lined with his own troops, through his troops, at a target that was 400 yards distant, already WELL engaged, from a standing position on full auto. needless to say several of us took miles hits and he got promoted...
He couldn't manage to get BDUs squared away much less class As.
He couldn't manage to get BDUs squared away much less class As.
2/25/2012 3:49:32 PM
Originally Posted By PindarsLight:
Sounds to me like this is a failure on the leaders part like others have said
OP
Essayons, Engineers lead the way!
Sounds to me like this is a failure on the leaders part like others have said
OP
Essayons, Engineers lead the way!
Essayons
but Infantry > Engineers 
2/27/2012 12:37:13 AM
Originally Posted By PindarsLight:
Sounds to me like this is a failure on the leaders part like others have said
Sounds to me like this is a failure on the leaders part like others have said
maybe. Or maybe future officers in the military should have an ounce of motivation and give a fuck to square away their uniform. If they don't know, they can ask. Or check google for fucks sake.
Blaming leaders for everything is a cop out for the lazy? Not everything should be spoon fed.
2/27/2012 5:55:05 AM
But....but...they're students first.
2/27/2012 7:55:35 AM
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
maybe. Or maybe future officers in the military should have an ounce of motivation and give a fuck to square away their uniform. If they don't know, they can ask. Or check google for fucks sake.
Blaming leaders for everything is a cop out for the lazy? Not everything should be spoon fed.
Originally Posted By PindarsLight:
Sounds to me like this is a failure on the leaders part like others have said
Sounds to me like this is a failure on the leaders part like others have said
maybe. Or maybe future officers in the military should have an ounce of motivation and give a fuck to square away their uniform. If they don't know, they can ask. Or check google for fucks sake.
Blaming leaders for everything is a cop out for the lazy? Not everything should be spoon fed.
I think that it is a little bit of both.. I was once downtown at a bus station depot.. And I came across a young USMC JROTC cadet wearing his dress blues Delta, Shirt untucked, cover off. just looking like a bag of ass.. Now I have been out of the service for sometimes but I could not let him sully that uniform and what it stood for to me. So I kindly pull him to the side from his friends and had reminded him about how Cadets wear their uniforms proudly and with distinction, and what that blood stripe on his uniformed represented to a lot of people. I then asked him if you don't like the uniform change it once you get out of school or drop the class. After he realized I wasn't giving him shit.. just trying to correct him, he asked if he could be excused to find the nearest head to fix his uniform.
I never had a problem of correcting people in a way that doesn't make them feel like crap.. because sometime thier leaders do not care...I just would hate for the wrong person to see him and make something that make have just been a bad judgement into a federal case.
2/27/2012 8:19:13 AM
Iron sharpens iron.
Show them the path to take. Don’t get pissed at the lack of motivation you think they should have.
Show them the path to take. Don’t get pissed at the lack of motivation you think they should have.
