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11/30/2011 12:36:51 AM
I'm working on joining the Army national guard. I'm 21, and have a good job with the airlines, so I don't want to end that right now, hence the NG. I am quite torn, I've always had a desire to do infantry work, but understand the importance of doing something that I could do on the outside and make a career of. I was wondering if any of you Army vets could help me out. I want to do something combat related but have something which that would translate to on the outside.
My top choices are:
My top choices are:
Fire Support specialist (13f)
Combat engineering (12b)
PsyOps (37F)
MP (31B)
Air Traffic Control
Air defense Tactical ops center maintainer (14J or G or H)
Radio and Communications Security (94E)
Fire Control Repairer (91G)
What experiences do you all have with these positions?
Thanks!
11/30/2011 12:50:13 AM
Originally Posted By Russkie:
I'm working on joining the Army national guard. I'm 21, and have a good job with the airlines, so I don't want to end that right now, hence the NG. I am quite torn, I've always had a desire to do infantry work, but understand the importance of doing something that I could do on the outside and make a career of. I was wondering if any of you Army vets could help me out. I want to do something combat related but have something which that would translate to on the outside.
My top choices are:
I'm working on joining the Army national guard. I'm 21, and have a good job with the airlines, so I don't want to end that right now, hence the NG. I am quite torn, I've always had a desire to do infantry work, but understand the importance of doing something that I could do on the outside and make a career of. I was wondering if any of you Army vets could help me out. I want to do something combat related but have something which that would translate to on the outside.
My top choices are:
Fire Support specialist (13f)
Combat engineering (12b)
PsyOps (37F)
MP (31B)
Air Traffic Control
Air defense Tactical ops center maintainer (14J or G or H)
Radio and Communications Security (94E)
Fire Control Repairer (91G)
What experiences do you all have with these positions?
Thanks!
Fire Support specialist (13f)= Grab a broom and sweep.
Combat engineering (12b)= Heavy Equipment operator
PsyOps (37F)= Cash money in contracting
MP (31B) Mall security
Air Traffic Control =Cash Money
Air defense Tactical ops center maintainer (14J or G or H) =Want fries with that
Radio and Communications Security (94E) =Radio repair
Fire Control Repairer (91G)= Radio repair
11/30/2011 7:34:33 AM
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[/div][div]Combat engineering (12b)= Heavy Equipment operator
Not really. I was a 12B for 8 yrs active duty. I never operated any equipment outside of humvees and the like.That isn't what 12B is about. There are Mos's for that. Granted I was in a light unit, which is different, but 12B's are pretty much fancy 11B's with a demo bag. It is a lot like infantry in that there isn't much it can translate into except maybe demolitions work. One of my pet peeves is when someone thinks a 12B is an equipment operator or bridge layer or some other non combat job.
[/div][div]Combat engineering (12b)= Heavy Equipment operator
Not really. I was a 12B for 8 yrs active duty. I never operated any equipment outside of humvees and the like.That isn't what 12B is about. There are Mos's for that. Granted I was in a light unit, which is different, but 12B's are pretty much fancy 11B's with a demo bag. It is a lot like infantry in that there isn't much it can translate into except maybe demolitions work. One of my pet peeves is when someone thinks a 12B is an equipment operator or bridge layer or some other non combat job.
11/30/2011 7:44:59 AM
Originally Posted By RickNC:
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[/div][div]Combat engineering (12b)= Heavy Equipment operator
Not really. I was a 12B for 8 yrs active duty. I never operated any equipment outside of humvees and the like.That isn't what 12B is about. There are Mos's for that. Granted I was in a light unit, which is different, but 12B's are pretty much fancy 11B's with a demo bag. It is a lot like infantry in that there isn't much it can translate into except maybe demolitions work. One of my pet peeves is when someone thinks a 12B is an equipment operator or bridge layer or some other non combat job.
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[/div][div]Combat engineering (12b)= Heavy Equipment operator
Not really. I was a 12B for 8 yrs active duty. I never operated any equipment outside of humvees and the like.That isn't what 12B is about. There are Mos's for that. Granted I was in a light unit, which is different, but 12B's are pretty much fancy 11B's with a demo bag. It is a lot like infantry in that there isn't much it can translate into except maybe demolitions work. One of my pet peeves is when someone thinks a 12B is an equipment operator or bridge layer or some other non combat job.
Yup. Try 12N Heavy Equipment operator. You can guess what it transfers to in the civilian world.
11/30/2011 9:56:00 AM
If you are looking for skills for the civilian world...
go with the Air Traffic controller.
The license and experience that you will get will allow you to go right to work for the FAA, and they are HURTING for ATC's. An ATC will make over 100k easy in a few short years of being on the job.
go with the Air Traffic controller.
The license and experience that you will get will allow you to go right to work for the FAA, and they are HURTING for ATC's. An ATC will make over 100k easy in a few short years of being on the job.
11/30/2011 7:53:21 PM
I was in the 17th Aviation 164th ATC unit in Uijongbu S. Korea. If you want to talk about ATC; PM me. There are forward deployed air assault units out there if you want to do some more interesting work. You'd get real familiar with the shit-hook's hauling your ass in and out of the field. That unit made me feel like I was living the video they show you at recruiting.
12/1/2011 10:11:37 PM
ATC!
12/2/2011 5:57:52 AM
Originally Posted By Castillo:
Yup. Try 12N Heavy Equipment operator. You can guess what it transfers to in the civilian world.
Originally Posted By RickNC:
[quote]
[/div][div]Combat engineering (12b)= Heavy Equipment operator
Not really. I was a 12B for 8 yrs active duty. I never operated any equipment outside of humvees and the like.That isn't what 12B is about. There are Mos's for that. Granted I was in a light unit, which is different, but 12B's are pretty much fancy 11B's with a demo bag. It is a lot like infantry in that there isn't much it can translate into except maybe demolitions work. One of my pet peeves is when someone thinks a 12B is an equipment operator or bridge layer or some other non combat job.
[quote]
[/div][div]Combat engineering (12b)= Heavy Equipment operator
Not really. I was a 12B for 8 yrs active duty. I never operated any equipment outside of humvees and the like.That isn't what 12B is about. There are Mos's for that. Granted I was in a light unit, which is different, but 12B's are pretty much fancy 11B's with a demo bag. It is a lot like infantry in that there isn't much it can translate into except maybe demolitions work. One of my pet peeves is when someone thinks a 12B is an equipment operator or bridge layer or some other non combat job.
Yup. Try 12N Heavy Equipment operator. You can guess what it transfers to in the civilian world.
Exactly. Majority of my 12B time was spent side by side with the infantry. One of our squads was attached to one of their companies. If we weren't doing a sapper specific job we were infantry. That's not to say we didn't go out as a 12B company/platoon and perform tasks some of the time. It was a neat job and I got to do a lot of cool shit but, if I had to do it all over again I'd probably pick some technical job that would translate into the civilian world with good pay.
12/4/2011 7:00:41 AM
Originally Posted By Russkie:
I'm working on joining the Army national guard. I'm 21, and have a good job with the airlines, so I don't want to end that right now, hence the NG. I am quite torn, I've always had a desire to do infantry work, but understand the importance of doing something that I could do on the outside and make a career of. I was wondering if any of you Army vets could help me out. I want to do something combat related but have something which that would translate to on the outside.
My top choices are:
I'm working on joining the Army national guard. I'm 21, and have a good job with the airlines, so I don't want to end that right now, hence the NG. I am quite torn, I've always had a desire to do infantry work, but understand the importance of doing something that I could do on the outside and make a career of. I was wondering if any of you Army vets could help me out. I want to do something combat related but have something which that would translate to on the outside.
My top choices are:
Fire Support specialist (13f)
Combat engineering (12b)
PsyOps (37F)
MP (31B)
Air Traffic Control
Air defense Tactical ops center maintainer (14J or G or H)
Radio and Communications Security (94E)
Fire Control Repairer (91G)
What experiences do you all have with these positions?
Thanks!
Out of those choices, go PsyOps then ATC then Radio/Comms Security and then Combat Eng. Screw the rest.
12/4/2011 4:29:32 PM
I spent 6 years as a FISTer (13Fox). Essentially, a FISTer is little more than a grunt with a heavier ruck, which contains a radio, binos, batteries, a GPS, and a digital mesage device (old school name for the actual piece of equipment, not sure what they carry now to do the same task). An FO's (Forward Observer's) job is to locate and engage targets on the battlefield, using mortars, howitzers, rockets, missiles, naval gunfire, close air support (USAF aircraft, such as AC-130's and A-10's), and attack aviation (Apaches). You are also responsible for collection and reporting of battlefield intelligence. A FISTer also assists the commander in developing the fire support portion of mission plans.
I say it's little more than being a grunt because when you're assigned to an infantry unit, you do exactly what they do. As an FO, you are a platoon asset, attached at the hip to the platoon leader. Where he goes, you go. If they're in the field, taking long walks at night, in the freezing rain, sleeping in the mud and rocks, tkae a wild guess at what you're doing... However, as an FO, you will usually have more of an impact on a battlefield than most grunts of the same rank as yourself. That's because you're hauling around the most dangerous weapon on the battlefield, a radio connected to the fires net, which gives you the ability to bring bloodshed, death, and pain upon the enemy in epic proportions. Promotions are usually fairly quick, as there always seems to be a shortage of FO's to go around. You are required to maintain a Secret security clearance, which is not required of the average grunt. You will be expected to know how to do a grunt's job, in addition to your own. However, when those 11B's earn their Combat Infantryman's badges, the FISTer's don't get them.
In short, there aren't many civilian jobs which directly translate to a career as an Artillery Forward Observer.
Oh, and in garrison, you might find yourself pushing a broom from time-to-time, but that's not the only thing FISTer's do. When the gun batteries need to go to the field and train, it's an FO who has to conduct the fire mission. When the mortars want to go to the field and train, it's an FO who has to do the call for fire. They also spend a lot of time trainign the grunts (and sometimes, the soft-skin MOS folks) how to call for fire. They are also responsible for doing preventive maintenance checks and services on their own vehicles and equipment (of which they have a lot). They are also eligible to attend Ranger School.
I say it's little more than being a grunt because when you're assigned to an infantry unit, you do exactly what they do. As an FO, you are a platoon asset, attached at the hip to the platoon leader. Where he goes, you go. If they're in the field, taking long walks at night, in the freezing rain, sleeping in the mud and rocks, tkae a wild guess at what you're doing... However, as an FO, you will usually have more of an impact on a battlefield than most grunts of the same rank as yourself. That's because you're hauling around the most dangerous weapon on the battlefield, a radio connected to the fires net, which gives you the ability to bring bloodshed, death, and pain upon the enemy in epic proportions. Promotions are usually fairly quick, as there always seems to be a shortage of FO's to go around. You are required to maintain a Secret security clearance, which is not required of the average grunt. You will be expected to know how to do a grunt's job, in addition to your own. However, when those 11B's earn their Combat Infantryman's badges, the FISTer's don't get them.
In short, there aren't many civilian jobs which directly translate to a career as an Artillery Forward Observer.
Oh, and in garrison, you might find yourself pushing a broom from time-to-time, but that's not the only thing FISTer's do. When the gun batteries need to go to the field and train, it's an FO who has to conduct the fire mission. When the mortars want to go to the field and train, it's an FO who has to do the call for fire. They also spend a lot of time trainign the grunts (and sometimes, the soft-skin MOS folks) how to call for fire. They are also responsible for doing preventive maintenance checks and services on their own vehicles and equipment (of which they have a lot). They are also eligible to attend Ranger School.
12/4/2011 7:07:18 PM
1st post and all...
Out of all the options you posted, the clear choice is ATC.
The problem with want you want is that most MOSs are "Combat Arms" or support, not both. The Army does not like to pay to put someone through 87 weeks of specialized training just to put them in a high-risk situation. The only exceptions to this rule (that I can think of) are 18 series and EOD guys.
You need to decide which you want more. If you want to run, jump, and shoot, go to Ft Benning and don't look back. If you want a civilian compatible career, most of the MOSs you'd want start with 15, 25, 68, or maybe 35 if you're cool with the idea of having a job that's only available in a few cities.
12/14/2011 3:02:21 PM
Originally Posted By Mic68:
Originally Posted By Russkie:
I'm working on joining the Army national guard. I'm 21, and have a good job with the airlines, so I don't want to end that right now, hence the NG. I am quite torn, I've always had a desire to do infantry work, but understand the importance of doing something that I could do on the outside and make a career of. I was wondering if any of you Army vets could help me out. I want to do something combat related but have something which that would translate to on the outside.
My top choices are:
I'm working on joining the Army national guard. I'm 21, and have a good job with the airlines, so I don't want to end that right now, hence the NG. I am quite torn, I've always had a desire to do infantry work, but understand the importance of doing something that I could do on the outside and make a career of. I was wondering if any of you Army vets could help me out. I want to do something combat related but have something which that would translate to on the outside.
My top choices are:
Fire Support specialist (13f)
Combat engineering (12b)
PsyOps (37F)
MP (31B)
Air Traffic Control
Air defense Tactical ops center maintainer (14J or G or H)
Radio and Communications Security (94E)
Fire Control Repairer (91G)
What experiences do you all have with these positions?
Thanks!
Fire Support specialist (13f)= Grab a broom and sweep.
PsyOps (37F)= Cash money in contracting
MP (31B) Mall security
Air Traffic Control =Cash Money
Air defense Tactical ops center maintainer (14J or G or H) =Want fries with that
Radio and Communications Security (94E) =Radio repair
Fire Control Repairer (91G)= Radio repair
[/div][div]Combat engineering (12b)= Heavy Equipment operator Wrong
12/16/2011 12:48:19 PM
Go EOD. 89D
Everything you listed is mindless or office work (especially ATC!)
Unless you like mindless or Office Space and want that to be your life.
We as people, only get a set amount of hours & minutes on this world, make every second count: Live Life don't let it pass you by (sitting in an office...).
~Will
Fire Support specialist (13f): Troop Leadership skills - if one becomes an NCO (Manager or Management)
Combat engineering (12b): Ditch digging picket pounder - its the only MOS that feels so insecure about their job they had to put "COMBAT" in their title... Although, its not an office job (unless there is no budget, then its sweep floors & mop w/ police call)
PsyOps (37F): Sales
MP (31B): Security or Law Enforcement (Sounds exciting, really is NOT)
Air Traffic Control: Air Traffic Controller (Sit on your butt & get fat & have a heart attack & die at 52)
Air defense Tactical ops center maintainer (14J or G or H): Might be able to jump off of that into the IT world
Radio and Communications Security (94E): COMSEC, work for the GOV (Office Space)
Fire Control Repairer (91G): Electronics Maintenance
Everything you listed is mindless or office work (especially ATC!)
Unless you like mindless or Office Space and want that to be your life.
We as people, only get a set amount of hours & minutes on this world, make every second count: Live Life don't let it pass you by (sitting in an office...).
~Will
Fire Support specialist (13f): Troop Leadership skills - if one becomes an NCO (Manager or Management)
Combat engineering (12b): Ditch digging picket pounder - its the only MOS that feels so insecure about their job they had to put "COMBAT" in their title... Although, its not an office job (unless there is no budget, then its sweep floors & mop w/ police call)
PsyOps (37F): Sales
MP (31B): Security or Law Enforcement (Sounds exciting, really is NOT)
Air Traffic Control: Air Traffic Controller (Sit on your butt & get fat & have a heart attack & die at 52)
Air defense Tactical ops center maintainer (14J or G or H): Might be able to jump off of that into the IT world
Radio and Communications Security (94E): COMSEC, work for the GOV (Office Space)
Fire Control Repairer (91G): Electronics Maintenance
12/16/2011 1:35:05 PM
I have a buddy who is a NG intelligence officer. The kids that work for him can get out and make good money with the training they have and their clearances. Its usually an air conditioned job but you get to see/deal with high speed stuff.
12/17/2011 8:19:59 PM
Originally Posted By William_lxix:
Go EOD. 89D
Everything you listed is mindless or office work (especially ATC!)
Unless you like mindless or Office Space and want that to be your life.
We as people, only get a set amount of hours & minutes on this world, make every second count: Live Life don't let it pass you by (sitting in an office...).
~Will
Fire Support specialist (13f): Troop Leadership skills - if one becomes an NCO (Manager or Management)
Combat engineering (12b): Ditch digging picket pounder - its the only MOS that feels so insecure about their job they had to put "COMBAT" in their title... Although, its not an office job (unless there is no budget, then its sweep floors & mop w/ police call)
PsyOps (37F): Sales
MP (31B): Security or Law Enforcement (Sounds exciting, really is NOT)
Air Traffic Control: Air Traffic Controller (Sit on your butt & get fat & have a heart attack & die at 52)
Air defense Tactical ops center maintainer (14J or G or H): Might be able to jump off of that into the IT world
Radio and Communications Security (94E): COMSEC, work for the GOV (Office Space)
Fire Control Repairer (91G): Electronics Maintenance
Go EOD. 89D
Everything you listed is mindless or office work (especially ATC!)
Unless you like mindless or Office Space and want that to be your life.
We as people, only get a set amount of hours & minutes on this world, make every second count: Live Life don't let it pass you by (sitting in an office...).
~Will
Fire Support specialist (13f): Troop Leadership skills - if one becomes an NCO (Manager or Management)
Combat engineering (12b): Ditch digging picket pounder - its the only MOS that feels so insecure about their job they had to put "COMBAT" in their title... Although, its not an office job (unless there is no budget, then its sweep floors & mop w/ police call)
PsyOps (37F): Sales
MP (31B): Security or Law Enforcement (Sounds exciting, really is NOT)
Air Traffic Control: Air Traffic Controller (Sit on your butt & get fat & have a heart attack & die at 52)
Air defense Tactical ops center maintainer (14J or G or H): Might be able to jump off of that into the IT world
Radio and Communications Security (94E): COMSEC, work for the GOV (Office Space)
Fire Control Repairer (91G): Electronics Maintenance
