Leaving for Fort Leonard wood Missouri in May
Finally got all the papers and waivers done after 6 months of obstacles . I am leaving May for Missouri i picked 12 B combat engineer for my job . I am just wondering if there are any 12 B guys in this forum that can give me some tips , share stories or reccomend learning certain things before leaving . I am going into boot camp a E3
congratulations
- start prepping for pt now - as in RUN... then when you stop, RUN some more, then RUN again. ( you will thank me later)
the only thing i would recommend is a good pair of running shoes
also just remember it is as much a mental test as a physical one.
i have had the pleasure of spending time at lost-in-the-woods - just remember the weather will change at the drop of a hat
Wasn't a 12B but went to LW for basic Jun-Aug '75. I remember things like: hot, dust, salt stained fatigues, sun burnt ears, blistered hands, water buffalos, bad mess hall food (though not as bad as Aberdeen), drill, more drill, not enough shooting fun, and was glad to leave the place. Have fun!
Enjoy the rubber pits. Take care of yourself and your Soldiers if put into a leadership position. Just remember, once you get through, you are just starting your Army career, alot of privates seem to think it all ends after OSUT lol.
I want to be the absolute best i can be , a leader , I plan on spending a good amount of time in the army . I was told by my recruiter i could go to airborne school after basic . I was also wondering what it takes to get into sapper school and what i have to do to get promoted. What is the rubber pits ?
Thank you for serving. Missouri can get brutally hot and HUMID in the summer. When they tell you to drink water, DO IT. And prepare for mosquitoes. Big giant ones the size of your fist

I went through basic there in 1988. I was astounded by how many killer rocks were still on the PT field after generations of soldiers had done sit-ups there.
My advice...be a PT stud when you get there, it makes the drills life easier if you can max the PT test.
Avoid spiders, my platoon had a couple of Brown Recluse bites that were pretty nasty.
That place is covered in poison ivy, I tried to be careful, but still got the worse case of my life (legs circumferentially from boot-tops to mid thigh).
Attention to detail! Follow commands precisely, even when others aren't.
Look out for your buddies.
Don't sweat the mind games. About two weeks in we had been running the same route for PT just about everyday (maybe a gradual increase in distance). We were returning from a run and didn't get the column right command to turn towards the barracks. One of the drills yelled out, "take 'em around again!" A bunch of folks dropped out of the run and were dogged mercilessly by the drills, the rest of us just ran around the block and returned to watch the weaklings doing grass drills. Everyone who dropped out could have made it around the block, but the Jedi mind trick of the drills made them puss out. Don't quit.
Finally, have fun and keep a journal. My mom kept my letters from basic and she gave them to me to read a couple of years ago. I had forgotten a bunch of hilarious stuff, if you don't jot it down you'll end up forgetting stuff you would swear was unforgettable.
How should i mentally prepare ? What to expect ? Also what do i do with my firearms while in the military and at basic ? I do have a wife that i could leave them with while at basic but do they come with me while im stationed somewhere ?
Originally Posted By Jrcengineering:
How should i mentally prepare ? What to expect ? Also what do i do with my firearms while in the military and at basic ? I do have a wife that i could leave them with while at basic but do they come with me while im stationed somewhere ?
As far as being mentally prepared, just know that your drill sergeants are there to break you down and mold you into a soldier - everyone the same, and working as a team. They don't hate you. They will fuck with you in every way imaginable and even try to get you to screw up little details. In addition to learning basic skills, they will want your platoon, and ultimately your company to work as a team. One immediate example would be how your platoon works together to get your barracks clean in the morning before PT and chow. You will swear there is not enough time to get it done. And it must be perfect! Freshly waxed floors every morning, for example. But try getting that done while everyone is hitting showers after PT, and trying to get in formation seemingly minutes later! During the first week, you won't be working as a team well at all. But you'll figure it out. You'll get lots of "remedial PT" to remind you of that. By the last week, unless your platoon is nothing but a bunch of fuck-ups, you should be working well together and you will be proud of what you have learned.
What does platoon , unit , company mean ect
Originally Posted By Jrcengineering:
What does platoon , unit , company mean ect
Everything you need to know should be
here (as of 2008 at least). You'll be issued one similar to it when you enter training.
Originally Posted By gerfungerpoken:
Originally Posted By Jrcengineering:
What does platoon , unit , company mean ect
Everything you need to know should be
here (as of 2008 at least). You'll be issued one similar to it when you enter training.
Thats exactly what i was looking for , thanks !
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Originally Posted By runs-with-scissors:
congratulations
just remember the weather will change at the drop of a hat
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That's no joke. I saw it go from 55 degrees and raining at 5:00 AM to sub zero wind chill and snow by noon.
Worry about passing basic first. You Aren't going to get a chance at Sapper for quite some time. The rubber pits are pits outside of the basic training barracks at LW that you will get to have lots of fun in. Look up your promotion times online, they are gimmes up to E4 pending you are not flagged.
I just left FLW, spent a couple weeks there on TDY. When you get family day don't be a dummy and go out to club 151 to sit and stare at a bazillion other IET privates while techno music is playing.
Originally Posted By daemon734:
Worry about passing basic first. You Aren't going to get a chance at Sapper for quite some time. The rubber pits are pits outside of the basic training barracks at LW that you will get to have lots of fun in. Look up your promotion times online, they are gimmes up to E4 pending you are not flagged.
I just left FLW, spent a couple weeks there on TDY. When you get family day don't be a dummy and go out to club 151 to sit and stare at a bazillion other IET privates while techno music is playing.
So i can rank up to e4 While in boot camp ? Can you tell me more about the rubber pits !!
Originally Posted By Jrcengineering:
Originally Posted By daemon734:
Worry about passing basic first. You Aren't going to get a chance at Sapper for quite some time. The rubber pits are pits outside of the basic training barracks at LW that you will get to have lots of fun in. Look up your promotion times online, they are gimmes up to E4 pending you are not flagged.
I just left FLW, spent a couple weeks there on TDY. When you get family day don't be a dummy and go out to club 151 to sit and stare at a bazillion other IET privates while techno music is playing.
So i can rank up to e4 While in boot camp ? Can you tell me more about the rubber pits !!
Sure you can make E4, if it takes you two years to complete basic. Like I said, look up the time requirements for rank.
Stay clear of Big Al's
Whats Big als ? Whats the rubber pits ?
I was a 12B for eight years active duty. If you can get a slot to airborne school or try to end up in a light unit like 10th mtn, 101'st, etc. Big difference between light combat engineers and mechanized.
As far as basic goes, be in the right place at the right time and in the right uniform and you won't go wrong. Keep your mouth shut and your ears open. Oh, and never volunteer too much.
Originally Posted By Jrcengineering:
Whats Big als ? Whats the rubber pits ?
Big Al's (if it is still open or operating under that name), is a place where most go on liberty to spend their entire paycheck, catch a disease, meet their future spouse, get drunk, get demoted (as a result of the previous night), and usually make poor decisions that will impact the rest of their life.
You'll love it there.

The ex wife was there for basic and MOS, with no break in between. She was an MP. Like some other posters said, run, run, run, and run. And when you get done running, run a some more.
Originally Posted By RickNC:
I was a 12B for eight years active duty. If you can get a slot to airborne school or try to end up in a light unit like 10th mtn, 101'st, etc. Big difference between light combat engineers and mechanized.
As far as basic goes, be in the right place at the right time and in the right uniform and you won't go wrong. Keep your mouth shut and your ears open. Oh, and never volunteer too much.
What exactly does a combat engineer do ? Ive done my reseach but im still not sure on there day to day life . will i see combat or be involved in gun fights or will i be building bridges and stuff like that . What is a light combat engineer and mechanized engineer ? What do combat engineers do while not deployed ? i keep getting broad answers
i was with a 12B (21B) company as a 21E(12N) A&O plt 58th CEC 11th ACR ft.irwin,CA NTC
it was fun as an equipment operator to be able to be cross trained in explosives. lots of fun
bring the boom red devils....
Originally Posted By Jrcengineering:
Originally Posted By RickNC:
I was a 12B for eight years active duty. If you can get a slot to airborne school or try to end up in a light unit like 10th mtn, 101'st, etc. Big difference between light combat engineers and mechanized.
As far as basic goes, be in the right place at the right time and in the right uniform and you won't go wrong. Keep your mouth shut and your ears open. Oh, and never volunteer too much.
What exactly does a combat engineer do ? Ive done my reseach but im still not sure on there day to day life . will i see combat or be involved in gun fights or will i be building bridges and stuff like that . What is a light combat engineer and mechanized engineer ? What do combat engineers do while not deployed ? i keep getting broad answers
A combat engineer is run like an infantry unit in day to day activities. Their task and purpose is pretty much to enable manuever elements to continue...well...manuevering...by clearing obstacles, building expedient infrastructure, and clearing routes. Mechanized work out of Bradleys and Strykers stateside, light uses humvees or walks. Deployed they all do the same shit regardless, which is usually route clearance in MRAPs, or if you are like the lucky guys I was just with in Afghanistan, all on foot with metal detectors and mineprobes.
As far as what you will be doing exactly is up to what fate decides. The dice roll can have you in some pretty polar opposite situations.
Update : Today i was on my way to meps at 345 am ! Everything went well and i picked my job and signed my contract . Then they swore me in and i have to say i felt pretty proud. I cannot wait to start my military career !
How do i get picked or put into a battalion , is it based on skill or is it just random . I was doing some research on the engineering battalions i want to get into one where i am able to fight
Originally Posted By Jrcengineering:
How do i get picked or put into a battalion , is it based on skill or is it just random . I was doing some research on the engineering battalions i want to get into one where i am able to fight
you dont get to pick much of anything - Uncle Sam will find a home for you
Originally Posted By runs-with-scissors:
Originally Posted By Jrcengineering:
How do i get picked or put into a battalion , is it based on skill or is it just random . I was doing some research on the engineering battalions i want to get into one where i am able to fight
you dont get to pick much of anything - Uncle Sam will find a home for you
Some fat civilian up at branch will figure out what duty station will be the hardest on you.
Lots of women over that way for you... If you like babies...
I live a bit south of Fort Lost in the Woods. In May it will just be starting to get hot. If its hot here its also humid. Just make sure to drink more water than you think you need to drink. Its amazing how much you can sweat here in the summer.
I hope you like ticks and chiggers too. The woods are full of them over there. Okay the woods are full of them everywhere down here. May and June is seed tick season. I have picked as many as 50+ of those little bastards off me after a stroll through the woods. I do know they have had some cases of Lyme disease over there so make sure you look yourself very carefully after being outdoors during your training.
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Lots of women over that way for you... If you like babies...
What do you mean ? lol
Originally Posted By XD_Fan:
I live a bit south of Fort Lost in the Woods. In May it will just be starting to get hot. If its hot here its also humid. Just make sure to drink more water than you think you need to drink. Its amazing how much you can sweat here in the summer.
I hope you like ticks and chiggers too. The woods are full of them over there. Okay the woods are full of them everywhere down here. May and June is seed tick season. I have picked as many as 50+ of those little bastards off me after a stroll through the woods. I do know they have had some cases of Lyme disease over there so make sure you look yourself very carefully after being outdoors during your training.
That fucking sucks ! The recruiters have my cell number in stone on there desk if someone for some reason drops out of an earlier ship date i think il get the first phone call .
Overseas, you can expect to do Route CLearance. It is a mean bitch, and should you ever get the chance to perform this thankless task, you will most likely wish you had gone Finance
In BCT, just keep your piehole shut and try not to get noticed. Excell at PT. Do not volunteer for shit. Having a "leadership" slot in BCT is kinda pointless and does nothing for you in terms of promotion or shit like that. Practice shoveling as much food as possible into your grill. You will need this skill when you are given five minutes in the DFAC.
Enjoy it. As much as I curse the Army and Route Clearance, I wouldn't trade my experiences for anything.
Originally Posted By OIF_Vet08-09:
Overseas, you can expect to do Route CLearance. It is a mean bitch, and should you ever get the chance to perform this thankless task, you will most likely wish you had gone Finance
In BCT, just keep your piehole shut and try not to get noticed. Excell at PT. Do not volunteer for shit. Having a "leadership" slot in BCT is kinda pointless and does nothing for you in terms of promotion or shit like that. Practice shoveling as much food as possible into your grill. You will need this skill when you are given five minutes in the DFAC.
Enjoy it. As much as I curse the Army and Route Clearance, I wouldn't trade my experiences for anything.
Can you tell me more about route clearance ? How come its a thankless task ?
Originally Posted By Jrcengineering:
Originally Posted By OIF_Vet08-09:
Overseas, you can expect to do Route CLearance. It is a mean bitch, and should you ever get the chance to perform this thankless task, you will most likely wish you had gone Finance
In BCT, just keep your piehole shut and try not to get noticed. Excell at PT. Do not volunteer for shit. Having a "leadership" slot in BCT is kinda pointless and does nothing for you in terms of promotion or shit like that. Practice shoveling as much food as possible into your grill. You will need this skill when you are given five minutes in the DFAC.
Enjoy it. As much as I curse the Army and Route Clearance, I wouldn't trade my experiences for anything.
Can you tell me more about route clearance ? How come its a thankless task ?
Route clearance is like the "roomba" of combat. They drive up and down the roads 24 hours a day cleaning them up, although instead of picking up crushed cheerios and lint, they catch IED jugs and ordnance. I think the only people that ever really remembers they exist are they guys in the TOC that change route status and us, and thats just because they call us out sometimes.
Originally Posted By daemon734:
Originally Posted By Jrcengineering:
Originally Posted By OIF_Vet08-09:
Overseas, you can expect to do Route CLearance. It is a mean bitch, and should you ever get the chance to perform this thankless task, you will most likely wish you had gone Finance
In BCT, just keep your piehole shut and try not to get noticed. Excell at PT. Do not volunteer for shit. Having a "leadership" slot in BCT is kinda pointless and does nothing for you in terms of promotion or shit like that. Practice shoveling as much food as possible into your grill. You will need this skill when you are given five minutes in the DFAC.
Enjoy it. As much as I curse the Army and Route Clearance, I wouldn't trade my experiences for anything.
Can you tell me more about route clearance ? How come its a thankless task ?
Route clearance is like the "roomba" of combat. They drive up and down the roads 24 hours a day cleaning them up, although instead of picking up crushed cheerios and lint, they catch IED jugs and ordnance. I think the only people that ever really remembers they exist are they guys in the TOC that change route status and us, and thats just because they call us out sometimes.
Do combat engineers handle IEDs as in disable them or is that like a EOD job .
I'm sure you'll hear that Engineers are just like EOD, just without the fancy budget. Those people are jealous.

well i mean if there doing the same thing the other are without the same tools then i would give them alot of respect . I like to look at the combat engineer job as a person who is a jack of all trades . Which i am very good at alot of different things . What i want to know is am i going to be disabling IEDs or are those left for the guys who are more trained in the feild ? I wanted to go Infantry originally but my wife wouldnt let me i told her combat engineer was alot safer

Originally Posted By Jrcengineering:
Originally Posted By daemon734:
Originally Posted By Jrcengineering:
Originally Posted By OIF_Vet08-09:
Overseas, you can expect to do Route CLearance. It is a mean bitch, and should you ever get the chance to perform this thankless task, you will most likely wish you had gone Finance
In BCT, just keep your piehole shut and try not to get noticed. Excell at PT. Do not volunteer for shit. Having a "leadership" slot in BCT is kinda pointless and does nothing for you in terms of promotion or shit like that. Practice shoveling as much food as possible into your grill. You will need this skill when you are given five minutes in the DFAC.
Enjoy it. As much as I curse the Army and Route Clearance, I wouldn't trade my experiences for anything.
Can you tell me more about route clearance ? How come its a thankless task ?
Route clearance is like the "roomba" of combat. They drive up and down the roads 24 hours a day cleaning them up, although instead of picking up crushed cheerios and lint, they catch IED jugs and ordnance. I think the only people that ever really remembers they exist are they guys in the TOC that change route status and us, and thats just because they call us out sometimes.
Do combat engineers handle IEDs as in disable them or is that like a EOD job .
They tend to disable IED's by functioning them.

Aside from that only a few EOCA certified engineers are allowed to blow certain specific items in place. As far as taking them apart, no, that's what we do as EOD. Sometimes, the lines bewteen EOD and engineers cross at the most basic levels, but their job and ours are very different. We have completely different skillsets that are both in demand.
Doctrinally engineers find them and we take care of them.
Originally Posted By Jrcengineering:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Lots of women over that way for you... If you like babies...
What do you mean ? lol
They all have four kids under five.
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Originally Posted By Jrcengineering:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Lots of women over that way for you... If you like babies...
What do you mean ? lol
They all have four kids under five.
lmao uh o