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tripleryder  [Member]
10/27/2011 4:19:59 PM
Hoping you honorable veterans can help me out.
A guy in my town put up an unused body armor vest on CL. He says he "has an extra" that he wants to sell before deployment.
Is this likely stolen gov't property? Is there any legit reason that he could have this? It's a good deal, and I would like to buy and flip on ebay, but not if i'm getting into stolen property...
Josh  [Life Member]
10/27/2011 4:23:19 PM
It could be his personal property. You'd have to know a lot more to make sure. I wouldn't buy it, personally.
tripleryder  [Member]
10/27/2011 4:29:36 PM
How would I determine if it is his personal property or not?
Josh  [Life Member]
10/27/2011 4:32:58 PM
Originally Posted By tripleryder:
How would I determine if it is his personal property or not?


Short answer, you can't.
KILLERB6  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 4:49:51 PM
If it's an obvious military design like an OTV or IOTV then it could very well be stolen (who would buy one of those for their own?).

The plates will be marked "US".

Technically, there is no legitimate reason why any (ex)service member would have any (extra) issue gear.
tripleryder  [Member]
10/27/2011 4:55:01 PM
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
If it's an obvious military design like an OTV or IOTV then it could very well be stolen (who would buy one of those for their own?).

The plates will be marked "US".

Technically, there is no legitimate reason why any (ex)service member would have any (extra) issue gear.


It's definitely military gear.

Here is the ad:
http://kpr.craigslist.org/spo/2671952537.html
RenegadeX  [Member]
10/27/2011 4:59:43 PM

Originally Posted By tripleryder:
How would I determine if it is his personal property or not?

He would have a receipt for it just like my ferrier did.
Enigma102083  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 5:02:17 PM
I was issued two IBAs over the course of my deployments and when I tried to turn them in, they said I only had one set on the books and refused to take my other one.
tripleryder  [Member]
10/27/2011 5:02:54 PM
So the military never GIVES (to keep) these to soldiers, for any reason?
Enigma102083  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 5:12:09 PM
Originally Posted By tripleryder:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
If it's an obvious military design like an OTV or IOTV then it could very well be stolen (who would buy one of those for their own?).

The plates will be marked "US".

Technically, there is no legitimate reason why any (ex)service member would have any (extra) issue gear.


It's definitely military gear.

Here is the ad:
http://kpr.craigslist.org/spo/2671952537.html


That's not an OTV or IOTV, I'm not even sure what that is just looks like a generic IIA or IIIA vest in a tan carrier.
Enigma102083  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 5:16:06 PM
Originally Posted By tripleryder:
So the military never GIVES (to keep) these to soldiers, for any reason?


"Gives" is not the right word, armor is supposed to be turned back in to CIF but if a set of armor was issued too you and never made it onto the books (happens all the time) then they refuse it when you try and turn it back in. I have dozens of friends that still have IBAs/OTVs that way. However, I think he's bullshitting you about that being .mil issue, I've never seen armor like that issued and I sure as hell doubt that is stuff issued to Recon.
tripleryder  [Member]
10/27/2011 5:54:03 PM
I think the general consensus is no go. thanks guys :)
Enigma102083  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 5:56:24 PM
Originally Posted By tripleryder:
I think the general consensus is no go. thanks guys :)


I disagree, that doesn't look like USGI armor that I've ever seen, sounds more like a guy trying to talk up the legitimacy of the armor. Hell if you don't want it I'll probably try and snag it.
R0N  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 6:04:32 PM
It looks like the soft armor package for the paraclete kits bought by the Recon and ANGLICOs in both I and II MEF several years ago and when the new rule on PPE came out they often "gave them" to the people who were issued them.

There was also a low profile armor kit issued to Recon and HUMINT teams several years ago, that had a soft armor set that looked like that.
Enigma102083  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 6:16:38 PM
Originally Posted By R0N:
It looks like the soft armor package for the paraclete kits bought by the Recon and ANGLICOs in both I and II MEF several years ago and when the new rule on PPE came out they often "gave them" to the people who were issued them.

There was also a low profile armor kit issued to Recon and HUMINT teams several years ago, that had a soft armor set that looked like that.


You'd know more about USMC gear than me, Army side had never seen anything even remotely like that.
Josh  [Life Member]
10/27/2011 6:18:49 PM
I've had that exact carrier issued to me.

Doesn't mean it couldn't have been bought civilly or surplussed.
Enigma102083  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 6:19:29 PM
Originally Posted By Josh:
I've had that exact carrier issued to me.

Doesn't mean it couldn't have been bought civilly or surplussed.


Yeah, but you're Navy and you guys issue all kinds of weird shit
Josh  [Life Member]
10/27/2011 6:20:48 PM
Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
Originally Posted By Josh:
I've had that exact carrier issued to me.

Doesn't mean it couldn't have been bought civilly or surplussed.


Yeah, but you're Navy and you guys issue all kinds of weird shit


Absolutely true...

Assault-Rifle-City  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 8:13:27 PM
Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
Originally Posted By tripleryder:
So the military never GIVES (to keep) these to soldiers, for any reason?


"Gives" is not the right word, armor is supposed to be turned back in to CIF but if a set of armor was issued too you and never made it onto the books (happens all the time) then they refuse it when you try and turn it back in. I have dozens of friends that still have IBAs/OTVs that way. However, I think he's bullshitting you about that being .mil issue, I've never seen armor like that issued and I sure as hell doubt that is stuff issued to Recon.


I too have an entire IBA in woodland camo with plates and all that CIF absolutely would not take back.

I don't mind.

tc556guy  [Team Member]
10/28/2011 6:39:57 AM
Originally Posted By tripleryder:
So the military never GIVES (to keep) these to soldiers, for any reason?


The only thing you legally leave military service with is your uniforms. No, they don't give you body armor to keep. There is some other little stuff you can come back from a deployment with thats unaccountable, but as standard practice, certainly not body armor.

edit:

Some supply guys are sloppy and as others have stated will sometimes balk at having to take stuff back in that they can write off or otherwise not account for.

Originally Posted By tripleryder:

It's definitely military gear.

Here is the ad:
http://kpr.craigslist.org/spo/2671952537.html



That doesn't look like standard military body armor.
TucsonSoldier  [Member]
10/28/2011 5:51:52 PM
I know here at Carson they issue similar armor but in navy blue for guys working the gate and guys that work Courtesy Patrol. Depending on your position you can get non-standard armor.
TANGOCHASER  [Team Member]
10/29/2011 10:57:20 AM
When I retired, I had tons of "found on installation"gear. CIF would only take back what was on my hand receipt when I left my last line unit. I had body armor I got from a civilian contractor in Iraq. The Army unit that was on the base at the start of the war, issued the body armor to the contractors. That unit left a year before I got there. No one to turn the vest into and it wasn't IBA but an over the head type.

I had tons of extra TA50. A hand reciept is not required by any law to prove the extra gear is yours. Almost every piece of field gear can be found in the civilian sector new or in surplus stores. Just because it's identical to issue gear does not mean it belongs to the military. Hell, soldiers can buy extra gear at clothing sales.

I had a Colt M4 upper receiver. Doesn't mean it ever belonged to the Army.
sardo_67  [Member]
10/29/2011 12:34:52 PM
thats not Issue stuff.

Also this "Stolen Government property" crap is quite annoying to keep hearing about. it's not like you stealing your neighbors car where there is a no shit crime and what not. just like said above many times you CAN NOT turn in the extra shit you've picked up over the years. just like going to the range with ammo, if they check out 10,000rds they will shoot that much, it's harder to turn it back in than to just do multiple mag dumps till its gone.
now if one person has like 10 sets of these things you may want to look into it a little further because then he's just taking them from where ever just to sell. if the person was given the item by his supply and then made an attempt to give it back then they told him no... it's his.
R0N  [Team Member]
10/29/2011 3:28:14 PM
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
thats not Issue stuff.

Also this "Stolen Government property" crap is quite annoying to keep hearing about. it's not like you stealing your neighbors car where there is a no shit crime and what not. just like said above many times you CAN NOT turn in the extra shit you've picked up over the years. just like going to the range with ammo, if they check out 10,000rds they will shoot that much, it's harder to turn it back in than to just do multiple mag dumps till its gone.
now if one person has like 10 sets of these things you may want to look into it a little further because then he's just taking them from where ever just to sell. if the person was given the item by his supply and then made an attempt to give it back then they told him no... it's his.


It is not an IBA or MTV but it more than likely is issued gear. Recon, ANGLICO and MARSOC do have vests like that.


However, your opinion on the subject is very understandable since you yourself have posted pictures of your "not stolen" gear that you needed despite not being in a unit that had any real need for it. Lets face it you are "that guy" who has to have the best outside the wire gear, while swinging with the wing or sitting on the FOB, despite many who go outside the wire not having it because there were only enough purchased to cover those who do actually go outside the wire.

Josh  [Life Member]
10/29/2011 3:29:13 PM
Originally Posted By R0N:
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
thats not Issue stuff.

Also this "Stolen Government property" crap is quite annoying to keep hearing about. it's not like you stealing your neighbors car where there is a no shit crime and what not. just like said above many times you CAN NOT turn in the extra shit you've picked up over the years. just like going to the range with ammo, if they check out 10,000rds they will shoot that much, it's harder to turn it back in than to just do multiple mag dumps till its gone.
now if one person has like 10 sets of these things you may want to look into it a little further because then he's just taking them from where ever just to sell. if the person was given the item by his supply and then made an attempt to give it back then they told him no... it's his.


It is not an IBA or MTV but it more than likely is issued gear. Recon, ANGLICO and MARSOC do have vests like that.


However, your opinion on the subject is very understandable since you yourself have posted pictures of your "not stolen" gear that you needed despite not being in a unit that had any real need for it. Lets face it you are "that guy" who has to have the best outside the wire gear, while swinging with the wing or sitting on the FOB, despite many who go outside the wire not having it because there were only enough purchased to cover those who do actually go outside the wire.



That's gonna leave a mark.
sardo_67  [Member]
10/30/2011 1:15:37 AM
hahaha, turns out they made me a dog handler so now i'm going out and looking for IEDs. i also don't have anything that's not issued except a few small things that i've had for a while now for my personal rifle use like anti-tilt mag followers or for this deployment 2 dog related pouches.
the only stuff people need that they can't get are some of the new clothing issue and cold weather gear, well they may have it but in the wrong size. everyone has the required body armor as they can't go anywhere without it. to be honest the USMC seems to be a bit more anal about your stuff than other branches as i haven't herd of CIF telling them they won't take gear back. I have met a Marine who had side SAPIs because they were given to his unit in Iraq by the Army then something happened so they never turned them back in so the entire battalion had side plates.