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 11B reclass then Afghanistan!
xtremesports1975  [Member]
9/1/2011 4:06:07 PM EST
I just got a call, I have 11B reclass school next month! I am currently an 13B. After that, I will be deploying with an Infantry unit to Afghanistan in a few months. It took 8 months of searching for a deploying unit, tons of calls and emails, pulling favors and extra work but I finally got an augmentee slot. Thanks to the guys who gave me advice and passed my contact info around to deploying units.
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_DR  [Team Member]
9/1/2011 4:23:43 PM EST
Hooah! Keep your powder dry!

xtremesports1975  [Member]
9/1/2011 5:05:44 PM EST
The money will help tons and so will the experience. It will also be nice to stop being the only E-5 in my unit without a combat patch or any deployments.
scoutfsu99  [Team Member]
9/1/2011 5:39:48 PM EST
Those are big shoes to fill. Crossing over to 11B and being an E5 (probably a TL, but maybe not) - you're going to have to work extra hard not to be "that guy." It's not an easy thing to do. Good luck.
TucsonSoldier  [Member]
9/1/2011 6:25:52 PM EST
Unless you NG I don't see an 11B reclass. I was going to reclass in to 11B but retention told me they're overmanned for the first time in 40 years. You could try 11C but I heard it sucks rucking around mortars.
xtremesports1975  [Member]
9/2/2011 2:45:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By TucsonSoldier:
Unless you NG I don't see an 11B reclass. I was going to reclass in to 11B but retention told me they're overmanned for the first time in 40 years. You could try 11C but I heard it sucks rucking around mortars.


I am Guard and already have a slot for school. Although a long ways from 11b, civilian tactical training, being a AR junkie and being in a high-speed air assault artillery unit when I was active will help me out a little. I will be happy to be a TL.
pevrs114  [Team Member]
9/2/2011 3:20:14 AM EST
The course isn't difficult. They are actually two separate courses, MOS-T 10 and MOS-T-2-3-4. 10 series goes through the 10 course, and E5-8 goes through the 2-3-4 course. We had an E8, he had to have a waiver to be there, and it was basically a gentleman's course for him (still required to do the physical activities, etc).

The courses run at the same time, and you're all in the same 'class'. But the NCO's have additional training on OpOrders, troop leading procedures, etc. while the lower enlisted do additional tasks instead, like the AT4 trainer, M203 live fire, etc.

I was a 13B before as well. The course is physically demanding. There are a few timed ruck marches, the longest is 8 miles.

I went to the course at Fort Dix, but we have one here at Pickett too. Any idea where you're going?

FWIW, 13B and 11C are pretty much interchangeable. In fact, I've heard early in the war they sent a bunch of 13B's to Afghanistan and gave them mortar tubes. The skill sets are exactly the same, it's just a difference in how to work the specific sighting and ammo systems.
xtremesports1975  [Member]
9/2/2011 4:12:57 AM EST
I will be at Camp Robinson, AR.
TimJ  [Moderator]
9/2/2011 6:09:51 AM EST
Congrats!
ReconB4  [Team Member]
9/3/2011 9:28:59 PM EST
Coming from a 2 year 13B and the last 16 years as an 11B I would highly doubt you will be slotted as a team leader. Not trying to rain on your parade, but infantry team leaders need to have experience that came from being a rifleman, greanadier, SAW gunner, ect and those leadership slots will be filled with E4's made corporal that have the experience. I would assume you will work in one of the Company TOCs or at BN, not in a line squad. I've seen stranger things, so anything is possible, just not likely. On my last deployment we had a few non infantry types come in to fill slots, none were near a leadership position, or even considered.

You'll have to know and teach 11B skill level 1&2. Know and teach the battle drills. Land nav and working the sincgars/harris is a must as well as know every weapon system inside and out, as well as how to employ them, range cards, OPORD, WARNO, TLP's, the list goes on. That is all learned from E1-E4 before going to a board to be a team leader. Those 2 week reclass schools don't really teach any of that at all and the units know it.
SiVisPacem  [Team Member]
9/4/2011 9:02:50 AM EST
Originally Posted By xtremesports1975:
Originally Posted By TucsonSoldier:
Unless you NG I don't see an 11B reclass. I was going to reclass in to 11B but retention told me they're overmanned for the first time in 40 years. You could try 11C but I heard it sucks rucking around mortars.


I am Guard and already have a slot for school. Although a long ways from 11b, civilian tactical training, being a AR junkie and being in a high-speed air assault artillery unit when I was active will help me out a little. I will be happy to be a TL.


320th FA, 101st?

I was a FISTer with 3/320 for 5 1/2 years.
DocBach  [Team Member]
9/4/2011 6:34:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By ReconB4:
Coming from a 2 year 13B and the last 16 years as an 11B I would highly doubt you will be slotted as a team leader. Not trying to rain on your parade, but infantry team leaders need to have experience that came from being a rifleman, greanadier, SAW gunner, ect and those leadership slots will be filled with E4's made corporal that have the experience. I would assume you will work in one of the Company TOCs or at BN, not in a line squad. I've seen stranger things, so anything is possible, just not likely. On my last deployment we had a few non infantry types come in to fill slots, none were near a leadership position, or even considered.

You'll have to know and teach 11B skill level 1&2. Know and teach the battle drills. Land nav and working the sincgars/harris is a must as well as know every weapon system inside and out, as well as how to employ them, range cards, OPORD, WARNO, TLP's, the list goes on. That is all learned from E1-E4 before going to a board to be a team leader. Those 2 week reclass schools don't really teach any of that at all and the units know it.


My guard unit (Infantry) gives E5s leadership positions just based on their rank. We had a guy come in from the Navy who had no practical experience as an 11B lead a team. In fact, my squad leader is a light wheeled mechanic who has no experience on the line at all. Good guy, just doesn't really know what to do and is constantly counting on myself and the other team leader to give him direction.
ByNameRequest  [Team Member]
9/4/2011 10:36:06 PM EST
Good luck!
tc556guy  [Team Member]
9/8/2011 12:30:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By xtremesports1975:
I will be at Camp Robinson, AR.


You don't want to get stuck there w/out wheels if you can help it.

Went there over the years multiple times for phase 2 BNCOC, ANCOC, SAIROC, Master Marksman, Wilson matches, etc. The years I was there and had no wheels to get off the place for a night out truly sucked.

So which deploying BDE did you finally get attached to?
ReconB4  [Team Member]
9/12/2011 12:57:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By DocBach:
Originally Posted By ReconB4:
Coming from a 2 year 13B and the last 16 years as an 11B I would highly doubt you will be slotted as a team leader. Not trying to rain on your parade, but infantry team leaders need to have experience that came from being a rifleman, greanadier, SAW gunner, ect and those leadership slots will be filled with E4's made corporal that have the experience. I would assume you will work in one of the Company TOCs or at BN, not in a line squad. I've seen stranger things, so anything is possible, just not likely. On my last deployment we had a few non infantry types come in to fill slots, none were near a leadership position, or even considered.

You'll have to know and teach 11B skill level 1&2. Know and teach the battle drills. Land nav and working the sincgars/harris is a must as well as know every weapon system inside and out, as well as how to employ them, range cards, OPORD, WARNO, TLP's, the list goes on. That is all learned from E1-E4 before going to a board to be a team leader. Those 2 week reclass schools don't really teach any of that at all and the units know it.


My guard unit (Infantry) gives E5s leadership positions just based on their rank. We had a guy come in from the Navy who had no practical experience as an 11B lead a team. In fact, my squad leader is a light wheeled mechanic who has no experience on the line at all. Good guy, just doesn't really know what to do and is constantly counting on myself and the other team leader to give him direction.


I can see that happening possibly if the unit is so short they just have to fill bodies. I wouldn't want to be around that personally. Too manything go wrong when bullets start flying when you're with an organic Infantry company. An adhoc one would make me extremely nervous, if they were doing core infantry missions.
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