national guard deployment weapon question

Hey
I'm deploying soon with my ng unit and our training weapons are old ass m16s.
Do ng normally deploy with their stateside weapons or will we probably get m4s when we go?
My first deployment and was curious

Why don't you ask your CoC?

yeah for real lol

Im not sure about the NG but for Reserves, you usually get issued out new and up to date shit when you deploy. Atleast gear wise, not sure about weapons.

What is your MOS? If you really needed a weapon, chances are your unit would already have M4's, if not your old ass M-16A2 will be just fine sitting in the weapons rack overseas.

M16a2? Mine has a 2 stamped over the 1
I'm 74d chemical but playing an MP

we used M16A2s for both my deployments
AD Field Artillery units (we were doing infantry operations the second deployment).
I have no clue for NG getting M4s before you go but can tell you this, there are no M4s in theater to give, I asked.
In fact I got the Army to approve M4s for our unit to use but unfortunately there were none excess available in theater for us to use, and all the other M4s were being fielded to units stateside getting ready for deployments.

not sure about NG but on the active side, we were issued brand new, still in the box weapons...turned out to be M16A2's

Most of the people on the active side that aren't combat arms seem to be rocking the A2. Then again everyone in my National Guard brigade has M-4's. Op, you should be getting a M-1 carbine, keep it clean.

My artillery unit has M16's in the arms room but deployed with M4's to OEF when doing an infantry mission.

The Engineer unit I deployed with got the M16A2. I, of course, got the SAW

Where are you deploying? I'm a guard MP who recently deployed. We had brand new M4's, SAW's etc... you should be getting new weapons as well before you deploy. Either way, you have better things to worry about my friend. This is something way above your paygrade that you cannot control so don't worry about it. Best advice I can give you.

As to weapons in theatre, I had to give up my M9, as did the rest of my squadron to give to the new guys since they didn't have enough M9's and there are none in theatre to spare.

in 04 my deployment to Iraq in an infantry unit (ng) they swapped out m16a4's for m-4's for all the infantry guys. all the support troops- headquarters company guys (who still saw action by the way ) still kept the m16a4's- the 11b's got optics while the support guys did not.
in 08 deployment to Afghanistan the entire brigade pretty much got retrofitted with m-4's prior to deployment.
you are in a unique situation because even though you will deploy as mp's -which are very active in the fight in both countries- on "paper" you are a chem unit so at the very bottom of the totem pole for any new weapons. As long as the m16A2 you are issued works just plan on it being your go to gun and treat as such. if the system craps out other gear to use great, but don't bet on it. while in train up be agressive about identifinig and correcting any equipment deficiencies you may find

ps- don't feel bad about having an old m16a1 upgraded to a2- look how much guys think the m14's are awesome even though they are all at least 50 years old. ps some of my units 50 mg's we deployed with were made during ww2 and still ran fine

If you're in some type of BCT, you'll get M-4s. If not, I don't know.

I'm in a 74d chemical unit but they are deploying my unit as an MP unit our mission is base security not chem
We do the job but don't get the qualification. My coc said something about us getting m9s but nothing about our rifles

So they're giving m4s to bct's but not to deployed units? That's jacked up

Being fobbit security isn't the same as being an MP. Lord knows as an Engineer I love to bust MP balls all day long, but they're not just gonna up and make a Chen Co an MP Co overnight these days. You are deploying as base security which means you're deploying as a pair of hands capable of holding a rifle and a pair of boots capable of moving those hands around. You're not leaving the FOB, you're probably training with the weapons you'll use there, and realistically for the job there isn't a need for anything more whiz-bang than an M16A1/2 and a helmet.

I know you were Probably hoping someone would be along to tell you you're all getting HK416s, Nighthawk 1911s and DAPs on call but... You aint, sorry I'm not a sugarcoating kinda guy.

Hk416s would be sweet but ya I was just curious what people are getting lately
I understand I won't need lights and lasers but an m4 would be nice

No, BCTs that are sheduled to deploy get M-4s if they don't already have them. As for other units, they may or may not field M-4s.

My first trip as infantry had A2's, second one as MP's had M4's.

101st had M16A2s in Jan 2006 in Iraq... and they were a cavalry regiment. What'ca complaining about?

Question, if you wanted to deploy with all the cool guy face shooter stuff, why did you enlist as a 74D? Also, did your command say you'll be deploying as MP's or are you saying that based on your idea of the mission and thinking that MP's do that? Just curious...

Also, you never answered where you are deploying to. Alot of us have deployed to various places and may have some good insights to offer regarding your deployment fwiw.

I was just curious about what most units are getting nowadays
I'm going to Qatar as base security they are deploying my unit with an MP battalion to do security because they didn't have enough to make a whole other company. I know that Qatar is a mwr base and I really shouldn't be worried about my weapon I was just curious

They should give you a fucking slingshot.....maybe. I know you're deploying ISO and appreciate your willingness to do what a lot of this country refuses to do, but the last thing I would worry about in Qatar is what weapon I had. They send people there for R&R for goodness sakes. Are you going for a year or 6 months?

if you are going to be base security plan on being firmly wedded to that m16a2. base security units are pretty low on the totem pole for gear. If the unit gets m9's they will be issued out on a top down basis with senior nco's and officers getting them first. The only reason honestly to have the m9 is to have something easier to carry on the way to the movies or chow hall.

TPE weapons are usually machine guns and shotguns, not individual weapons. If your unit has M16's when they board the plane that's what you will be using.

There is no way to know and ARFCOM is the last place to ask. It depends on the buraucrats and how cheap your governor is.

base security in Qatar? Whatever just make sure your uniform is pressed.

Qatar? Dude... You're second to last person in the world to need an M4 for your mission, just barely in front of a cub scout pack. Combat units in CONUS need them more just to be able to practice with them regularly. You're not even going to see your weapon beyond getting issued it for duty and probably turning it back in when your shifts over. M9? Ha! I know sometimes you don't get to pick your tour but next time if you want HSLD stuff change MOS and go to A-Stan.

Just enjoy tour, save your money (don't do stupid shit like buy a brand new car/bike) and look for another tour when you come back.

You could donate that combat pay to a worthy charity... I suggest the WWP

At least you got a great spot for being a fobbit. My first tour we had A2's and were stationed on a FOB about 1sq mile in size by the time we got done building it up. This time we will be based in Kuwait but on the road for 1-2 weeks at a time, we have M4's along with all the cool guy shit... about time!

Hopefully one day I will get to enjoy my 3 days in Qatar...........

OP:
Do not feel bad as I TDY as a USAF Security Policeman in 1987 to the Phillippines. We left our M16s .38s and our GAUs back stateside with the understanding we would draw weapons at the new duty station. A crate showed up to Wallace Air Station a couple of days after we got there. Inside were brand new M16s with open bird cage flash suppressors complete with a bright red plastic muzzle protector! I think these weapons were as old as the ones carrying them.

OP......settle the fuck down. This thread is just like the other thread where some NG guy was wondering if he would get a combat patch and pay while deployed to Qater. Don't worry about what fucking weapon you will carry. If you want an M4 so bad you can taste it then reclass to Infantry when you get back from your vacat....errrr, deployment.

Jesus dude, you don't ever quit sniveling about this "deployment."
More questions about Qatar

i always laughed at the girls carrying their m16's because the weapon was almost bigger then them.

we rarely get the chance to pick our deployments- if the guy is going to quatar(?spelling) we need to still support him and tell him to make the best of it. It may be a suck ass mission but someone has to do it. As a field grade officer I sort of had the chance to select my deployments and while went with a door kickin unit to Iraq, did most of my Afghan tour as a fobbitt. A lot of combat arms guys like to muscle flex and say they are at the tip of the spear(which they often are) but that spear gets dull fast without the support troops doing mostly unwanted,unglamorus boring jobs and putting up with a bunch of REMF types.

I think the point is more in your last sentence. It's not that these support troops are "putting up with REMF types". It's that thy ARE REMFS. It's not like some random poor infantry bastard got stuck in a commo unit. It's not a combat engineer with an MP company, it's not a cav scout with a finance section.

These guys picked what they are, then seem to complain about it and lust for the field, the clash of battle, a test of arms. The sharp Enders want to know why they didn't pick a combat MOS in the first place so they wouldn't be whining.

Easy there killer, we're both combat support technically but we both know where the truth lies.. Other than that, I couldn't agree with you more. You put that quite well I might add.

Thats really pulling an old weapon system out of mothballs!

It wasn't meant as an insult, it was another example, and accurate. 12Bravos are Combat Arms, all other engineers are Combat support. How many female MPs are there and how many female Combat Engineers are there(for now)?

And yes I have several field MP friends who have explained to me Ad Nauseam the difference between field, garrison and stockade MPs

There are two MOSs: Infantry and everything else.

That said, cut the OP a break. He didn't whine. He was just asking a question. I feel bad for him though; Qatar will be beyond boring. I was there for four days and got bored to tears.

I have 2 deployments to Iraq with NG units and I am in Infantry BCT's. alot will depend on your states funding, because thats really were your weapons come from. I would say that you will MOB with those weapons and they will go downrange with them. The golden conex does not exisit. IF your state can get funding for new or extra weapons you will.

You are in a Chemical unit so field of weapons will go off that TO&E of the unit not the job you will be doing. If your doing Base Sec what is wrong with the weapons you have now? They might not look cool but for your mission they are more than fine.

The guys that want the M4's and all the toys want them more for photo ops than anything else, lets be serious your not riding in humvees all day or kicking in doors

No shit... hot, sandy, living in a CHU and no actual combat to distract you. There must be a dozen SGMs and CSMs bored to tears staking out the DFAC.

Yes you're right, when I think "hmmm, fucking Sbarro and beers at the pool, or lying in a shit ditch getting shot at...?". I think fucking Shit Ditch.

I really hope you were joking dude cuz otherwise that's a dumb statement of the year.

Base security in Qatar??

I wouldn't worry about a rifle.

IIRC when I was there it was out of control

All your gonna need is a good supply of condom's(if your single of course)

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Qatar is absolutely horrible, who would possibly want to sign for a Mitsubishi Pajero and be able to leave post to do whatever the fuck you want for a year?

This is why I wouldn't want to do that. Jesus, imagine the nonsense that gets perpetuated there on a daily basis. No thanks.

I cross-leveled to a different unit and we deployed with their weapons, M16A2's for O4 and below and M9's for O5 and above.

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