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GseriesFal  [Team Member]
7/31/2010 4:28:16 AM
I spoke with a recruiter today and started filling out paperwork. I am former USMC infantry, got out in 92 and figured if I am able to get back in it would be as an 11B or something similar. The recruiter was steering me more towards several other options possibly more suitable for a guy approaching 40 like radar repair and supply. It's great to have those options but I don't really want to go to school for 6-12 months to re-class into another MOS and have no desire to get into those fields. What would life be like as a ANG 11B or scout?
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Berzerker77  [Team Member]
7/31/2010 5:58:10 AM
Well, your overweight ass is gonna have to pass a PFT and tape. It is pretty similar for both as far as physically. You will need to MOSQ at one of the training schools but we have over 40 guys in both of those MOS locally.

Scouts are recon and work in smaller platoons than Infantry. If you are in a heavy brigade you will be a gun truck/Bradley gib. You will learn absolutely nothing technical besides loading radios and operating neat toys.

Infantry is Infantry. You kill shit and drive trucks.

On our last deployment we had Inf/Cav doing the same jobs no matter where we were so in practice it is very similar. Drill is skill honing and AT is skill honing.

We all hate juggaloes with a passion and the last guy with a hatchet man wallet got fucked with incessantly all AT for being a douche canoe simply because he claimes to be a juggalo. Good luck, please don't join my unit.

GseriesFal  [Team Member]
7/31/2010 6:13:06 AM
Originally Posted By Berzerker77:
Well, your overweight ass is gonna have to pass a PFT and tape. It is pretty similar for both as far as physically. You will need to MOSQ at one of the training schools but we have over 40 guys in both of those MOS locally.

Scouts are recon and work in smaller platoons than Infantry. If you are in a heavy brigade you will be a gun truck/Bradley gib. You will learn absolutely nothing technical besides loading radios and operating neat toys.

Infantry is Infantry. You kill shit and drive trucks.

On our last deployment we had Inf/Cav doing the same jobs no matter where we were so in practice it is very similar. Drill is skill honing and AT is skill honing.

We all hate juggaloes with a passion and the last guy with a hatchet man wallet got fucked with incessantly all AT for being a douche canoe simply because he claimes to be a juggalo. Good luck, please don't join my unit.



I should tape out around 21.5%. Need to work on the run time but push ups and sits up no problem.
Bohr_Adam  [Life Member]
7/31/2010 6:18:36 AM
National Guard?

Whether Guard or Reserve, your recruiter's "steering" likely had nothing to do with your age, but the simple fact of for what units he is recruiting people into. This has both geographical and availability factors.

Is there a infantry or cavalry unit within driving distance for you?

If not, I fail to see the point of wanting to join such a unit.

If so, why not visit it in person during drill? Figure out who does their recruiting, and join if you so desire.

GseriesFal  [Team Member]
7/31/2010 6:43:21 AM
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
National Guard?

Whether Guard or Reserve, your recruiter's "steering" likely had nothing to do with your age, but the simple fact of for what units he is recruiting people into. This had bot geographical and availability factors.

Is there a infantry or cavalry unit within driving distance for you?

If not, I fail to see the point of wanting to join such a unit.

If so, why not visit it in person during drill? Figure out who does their recruiting, and join if you so desire.



Yes there are infantry/Cav and a large variety of other units in the immediate vicinity. He said I could go that route if I wanted. I will talk to him in greater detail next week. I just want to know if my memory of infantry life is a bit fuzzy after all these years. I am in very good health but I am also almost 40 so I want to be realistic.
pevrs114  [Team Member]
7/31/2010 5:12:42 PM
1) Acquire Rucksack, 1ea
2) Insert Heavy Shit, 3ea into rucksack
3) Insert More Heavy Shit, 2ea into rucksack
4) Strap Tripod, AT4, or other Extra Heavy Shit onto outside of rucksack
5) Walk


Actually, we've done a fair amount of cool stuff. MOUT, NVG training, driver's training on FMTV and below, etc. But it all comes down to basic infantry skills - move, shoot, and communicate.

We go to AT next weekend and it's 1 week of SRP and 2 weeks of common skills tasks
Heartbreaker1373  [Member]
8/1/2010 7:02:18 PM
Originally Posted By GseriesFal:
I spoke with a recruiter today and started filling out paperwork. I am former USMC infantry, got out in 92 and figured if I am able to get back in it would be as an 11B or something similar. The recruiter was steering me more towards several other options possibly more suitable for a guy approaching 40 like radar repair and supply. It's great to have those options but I don't really want to go to school for 6-12 months to re-class into another MOS and have no desire to get into those fields. What would life be like as a ANG 11B or scout?


Drill?AT? More like Mobilize, Train-up, Deployed for 12-18 months, repeat as neccessary.
In all seriousness, in the Ohio Guard at least, the last 8 years have been nothing but deployments for the CAV (I ETSd in 08). From '02 to '08, both INF and CAV units were deployed heavily CONUS and for Kosovo/Iraq/Afghan. I know Iraq is drawing to a close soon, but Afghan I would bet on 5, 10, who knows how many more years.

Not trying to dissuade you from getting back in, just making sure you're aware of the fact that "a weekend a month and 2 weeks in the summer" really doesn't apply anymore. Good luck.
Heartbreaker1373  [Member]
8/1/2010 7:04:30 PM
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
National Guard?

Whether Guard or Reserve, your recruiter's "steering" likely had nothing to do with your age, but the simple fact of for what units he is recruiting people into. This has both geographical and availability factors.

Is there a infantry or cavalry unit within driving distance for you?

If not, I fail to see the point of wanting to join such a unit.

If so, why not visit it in person during drill? Figure out who does their recruiting, and join if you so desire.



This! Plus I believe there is/was a "try 1" program for prior service; let's you enlist for one year(no bonuses or anything) to let you see how much the Guard sucks.
paul_the_welder  [Team Member]
8/1/2010 7:14:34 PM
I'm in the same boat, but I'm not as old. I should be swearing in any day now. I was 0311 USMC. Got out in 2002. I'm going 11b. The closest infantry unit is a heavy weapons unit. I was told humvee's with 240's, 50's,etc. I've never done the heavy weapons before, it will be interesting to learn. I would'nt mind riding instead of humping a pack around. I'm going with the 1 year contract to start. Just to see how much it sucks. The recruiting proccess has been uhh interesting. I've been waiting 2 weeks for my waiver to go through. I had 6 traffic tickets. Alittle rediculous.
wvusoldier217  [Team Member]
8/1/2010 7:19:54 PM
i am a national guards men at infantry officer school right now. there is a 42 year old who just made it through with me, we graduate the 12th. he had a rough go due to knee problems but other than that brought alot of knowledge and experience to the plt
Stryker_11A  [Team Member]
8/1/2010 7:31:47 PM
Drill weekends are 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag.

Drill weekends are divided into military unit training assemblies (MUTA). 2 MUTAs = 1 day. Most drill weekends are MUTA 4.

Show up Saturday at 0800. Get accountability, draw weapons, move to range. (time depends on how far the range is).

Arrive at range, NCOs get things set up, zero range then qual. It takes forever. While waiting conduct classes.

Go to barracks if available. Wake up, shit, shower and shave, move to armory.

Clean weapons, conduct monthly inventory, hip pocket training, go home.

A lot depends on how well the company commander plan their training, the full time staff resources the training, funding available for training, and mostly the NCOs conducting the training. Every unit is different, some are good and others suck. I would visit those that you are considering joining during a drill weekend and see how they function while at the armory. The recruiter should be able to facilitate this.

And remember, it isn't the Marine Corps. I asked my former squadron commander (I went to A school with him, he was my PL and then my Det commander) in the Marines for a letter of recommendation for a commission in the Guard. He told me that going into the Guard would be a big adjustment and I replied back to him that it wasn't a problem, they would adjust.
Stryker_11A  [Team Member]
8/1/2010 7:36:08 PM
Originally Posted By paul_the_welder:
I'm in the same boat, but I'm not as old. I should be swearing in any day now. I was 0311 USMC. Got out in 2002. I'm going 11b. The closest infantry unit is a heavy weapons unit. I was told humvee's with 240's, 50's,etc. I've never done the heavy weapons before, it will be interesting to learn. I would'nt mind riding instead of humping a pack around. I'm going with the 1 year contract to start. Just to see how much it sucks. The recruiting proccess has been uhh interesting. I've been waiting 2 weeks for my waiver to go through. I had 6 traffic tickets. Alittle rediculous.


The Army doesn't separate infantry MOSs, except for mortar men. Rifleman, Stryker/Bradley crewmen, snipers, recon, scouts, machine gunner, and anti-tank are all 11Bs.

Not sure what a heavy weapons unit is. What unit is it?
cavscouty  [Team Member]
8/1/2010 8:13:20 PM
Some good information here for you Gseries. I'm a National Guardsmen Cavalry Scout(was active duty). We hit the ground running on our weekends, I have been in a year and a half and I think I've had two Mutas 4's(Saturday and Sunday). They work the dog shit out of us, but it is almost always good training. We are lucky to have a range just down the road from us and the field is there as well. We don't waste hardly any time doing tidily-wink shit. Range setup is maybe 20-30 minutes and we start pulling the trigger. Load the trucks and head out?, maybe an hour. Of course, YMMV.

Some guys in my unit have been deployed to Kosovo, Iraq, and Afghanistan within the last 6 years. We head out again very soon. The days of sitting around on drill weekends barbecuing and drinking beer are pretty much over. I'm happy were I'm at, promotions are slower than hell though.
paul_the_welder  [Team Member]
8/1/2010 8:18:29 PM
Originally Posted By Stryker_11A:
Originally Posted By paul_the_welder:
I'm in the same boat, but I'm not as old. I should be swearing in any day now. I was 0311 USMC. Got out in 2002. I'm going 11b. The closest infantry unit is a heavy weapons unit. I was told humvee's with 240's, 50's,etc. I've never done the heavy weapons before, it will be interesting to learn. I would'nt mind riding instead of humping a pack around. I'm going with the 1 year contract to start. Just to see how much it sucks. The recruiting proccess has been uhh interesting. I've been waiting 2 weeks for my waiver to go through. I had 6 traffic tickets. Alittle rediculous.


The Army doesn't separate infantry MOSs, except for mortar men. Rifleman, Stryker/Bradley crewmen, snipers, recon, scouts, machine gunner, and anti-tank are all 11Bs.

Not sure what a heavy weapons unit is. What unit is it?


45th infantry brigade . I don't think its a seperate MOS. Just this paticular unit Delta I think? Is the heavy weapons unit. Tows, 50's, Mk19's
Stryker_11A  [Team Member]
8/1/2010 8:29:00 PM
Originally Posted By paul_the_welder:
Originally Posted By Stryker_11A:
Originally Posted By paul_the_welder:
I'm in the same boat, but I'm not as old. I should be swearing in any day now. I was 0311 USMC. Got out in 2002. I'm going 11b. The closest infantry unit is a heavy weapons unit. I was told humvee's with 240's, 50's,etc. I've never done the heavy weapons before, it will be interesting to learn. I would'nt mind riding instead of humping a pack around. I'm going with the 1 year contract to start. Just to see how much it sucks. The recruiting proccess has been uhh interesting. I've been waiting 2 weeks for my waiver to go through. I had 6 traffic tickets. Alittle rediculous.


The Army doesn't separate infantry MOSs, except for mortar men. Rifleman, Stryker/Bradley crewmen, snipers, recon, scouts, machine gunner, and anti-tank are all 11Bs.

Not sure what a heavy weapons unit is. What unit is it?


45th infantry brigade . I don't think its a seperate MOS. Just this paticular unit Delta I think? Is the heavy weapons unit. Tows, 50's, Mk19's


Okay, Delta company. In an infantry brigade there is one Delta company which is an anti-tank company.
setlab  [Team Member]
8/1/2010 8:39:03 PM
My unit we show up to drill and get a whole list of administrative paperwork/computer certification bullshit that has to be done (apparently it is way more important to do that then actually go to a range or do anything other then hip pocket training), if your not doing that or your smart enough to hide from it all we do is stand around and bullshit for the most part. The rank structure is virtually non existent NCO's are not allowed to discipline shitbag soldiers and privates run amuck, they are quick to give leaders flack about things they are told to do and are quick to pull the "I'll talk to my 1st line leader" response if someone actually wants them to do something they don't want to do. Alot of the NCO's don't know how to lead and have only obtained their rank threw promotion points alone. I would say conservatively 80% of the 11B's in my unit are turds, it's not uncommon for them to be AWOL on drills and generally every one of them has a piss poor outlook on their job and why they are in the National Guard. Thankfully I've never deployed with a National Guard unit, but I've heard the guys talking that have been on them, things like not loading their m-16s, not loading their magazines, and turning off the jammer so they can link up their psp's and play games while in convoy are not uncommon stories.

Really the only training we do do is hip pocket stuff, pull out the warrior skill level 1 book and give classes kinda thing for those of us that are motivated to train; but really no one pays attention to that stuff and it usually ends with the instructor being mocked especially latter on.

That was only a miniscule rant about the bottom less pit that is the National Guard I could probably go on all day about how fucked up my unit is (coming from a prior active guys prospective).

For the most part I enjoy drills though and the very limited training we do do, it's a nice change of pace to bullshit with other prior active guys. But that's about it.
paul_the_welder  [Team Member]
8/1/2010 8:40:58 PM
Originally Posted By Stryker_11A:
Originally Posted By paul_the_welder:
Originally Posted By Stryker_11A:
Originally Posted By paul_the_welder:
I'm in the same boat, but I'm not as old. I should be swearing in any day now. I was 0311 USMC. Got out in 2002. I'm going 11b. The closest infantry unit is a heavy weapons unit. I was told humvee's with 240's, 50's,etc. I've never done the heavy weapons before, it will be interesting to learn. I would'nt mind riding instead of humping a pack around. I'm going with the 1 year contract to start. Just to see how much it sucks. The recruiting proccess has been uhh interesting. I've been waiting 2 weeks for my waiver to go through. I had 6 traffic tickets. Alittle rediculous.


The Army doesn't separate infantry MOSs, except for mortar men. Rifleman, Stryker/Bradley crewmen, snipers, recon, scouts, machine gunner, and anti-tank are all 11Bs.

Not sure what a heavy weapons unit is. What unit is it?


45th infantry brigade . I don't think its a seperate MOS. Just this paticular unit Delta I think? Is the heavy weapons unit. Tows, 50's, Mk19's


Okay, Delta company. In an infantry brigade there is one Delta company which is an anti-tank company.


What are the good and bad of this company? The unit is schedule to deploy to Afg next spring. What kind of missions would they be doing?
Stryker_11A  [Team Member]
8/1/2010 9:02:01 PM
Originally Posted By paul_the_welder:

What are the good and bad of this company? The unit is schedule to deploy to Afg next spring. What kind of missions would they be doing?


Delta company is a brigade level asset, not sure of your MTOE but it is probably assigned to the Special Troops Brigade. Delta Co is a small infantry unit, a little larger than a regular line platoon. You can literally end up doing anything in theater. PSD, FORCEPRO, SECFOR, Land owner, MiTT, detached to line units, etc. I think it depend on how competent your CO is and what the BC wants.

The drawback as I see it is that D Co is not a full size line company, so your options are limited as far as employment.
paul_the_welder  [Team Member]
8/1/2010 9:30:11 PM
Originally Posted By Stryker_11A:
Originally Posted By paul_the_welder:

What are the good and bad of this company? The unit is schedule to deploy to Afg next spring. What kind of missions would they be doing?


Delta company is a brigade level asset, not sure of your MTOE but it is probably assigned to the Special Troops Brigade. Delta Co is a small infantry unit, a little larger than a regular line platoon. You can literally end up doing anything in theater. PSD, FORCEPRO, SECFOR, Land owner, MiTT, detached to line units, etc. I think it depend on how competent your CO is and what the BC wants.

The drawback as I see it is that D Co is not a full size line company, so your options are limited as far as employment.


I'm not up to speed with all the acronyms. Can you help me out.
pevrs114  [Team Member]
8/2/2010 1:27:42 AM
Originally Posted By Stryker_11A:
Originally Posted By paul_the_welder:

What are the good and bad of this company? The unit is schedule to deploy to Afg next spring. What kind of missions would they be doing?


Delta company is a brigade level asset, not sure of your MTOE but it is probably assigned to the Special Troops Brigade. Delta Co is a small infantry unit, a little larger than a regular line platoon. You can literally end up doing anything in theater. PSD, FORCEPRO, SECFOR, Land owner, MiTT, detached to line units, etc. I think it depend on how competent your CO is and what the BC wants.

The drawback as I see it is that D Co is not a full size line company, so your options are limited as far as employment.


Depends. I'm in a Delta company, one per battalion, just like A/B/C. This is in an IBCT, not heavy.

OP has it right so far, 240, .50, Mk19, and TOW.

I don't plan on staying in this unit long, I intend to try out for the scout platoon and head to HHC.


Acronym translation:

MTOE - Modified Table of Organization and Equipment - explains what the billets/slots are in a unit, and what equipment they are authorized
PSD - personal security detachment - guarding generals and other VIP's. Not a bad mission, lots of travel, not a 'fobbit' mission
FORCEPRO - teh suckage. Guarding bases and FOB's, manning towers, pulling entry control point staffing. In Iraq during the beginning, this could involve quite a bit of slung lead, but now I dread the idea
SECFOR - Could be the same as above, but could be convoy security, etc
MTT - Mobile Training Team - travel the country training local units, or are imbedded with them, train them up, then go out on patrols with them as 'advisors'
paul_the_welder  [Team Member]
8/2/2010 4:59:46 AM
Originally Posted By pevrs114:
Originally Posted By Stryker_11A:
Originally Posted By paul_the_welder:

What are the good and bad of this company? The unit is schedule to deploy to Afg next spring. What kind of missions would they be doing?


Delta company is a brigade level asset, not sure of your MTOE but it is probably assigned to the Special Troops Brigade. Delta Co is a small infantry unit, a little larger than a regular line platoon. You can literally end up doing anything in theater. PSD, FORCEPRO, SECFOR, Land owner, MiTT, detached to line units, etc. I think it depend on how competent your CO is and what the BC wants.

The drawback as I see it is that D Co is not a full size line company, so your options are limited as far as employment.


Depends. I'm in a Delta company, one per battalion, just like A/B/C. This is in an IBCT, not heavy.

OP has it right so far, 240, .50, Mk19, and TOW.

I don't plan on staying in this unit long, I intend to try out for the scout platoon and head to HHC.


Acronym translation:

MTOE - Modified Table of Organization and Equipment - explains what the billets/slots are in a unit, and what equipment they are authorized
PSD - personal security detachment - guarding generals and other VIP's. Not a bad mission, lots of travel, not a 'fobbit' mission
FORCEPRO - teh suckage. Guarding bases and FOB's, manning towers, pulling entry control point staffing. In Iraq during the beginning, this could involve quite a bit of slung lead, but now I dread the idea
SECFOR - Could be the same as above, but could be convoy security, etc
MTT - Mobile Training Team - travel the country training local units, or are imbedded with them, train them up, then go out on patrols with them as 'advisors'





Thanks for the help! Recruiter told me the scout platoon needed people.
RickNC  [Member]
8/2/2010 6:15:27 AM
Originally Posted By Heartbreaker1373:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
National Guard?

Whether Guard or Reserve, your recruiter's "steering" likely had nothing to do with your age, but the simple fact of for what units he is recruiting people into. This has both geographical and availability factors.

Is there a infantry or cavalry unit within driving distance for you?

If not, I fail to see the point of wanting to join such a unit.

If so, why not visit it in person during drill? Figure out who does their recruiting, and join if you so desire.



This! Plus I believe there is/was a "try 1" program for prior service; let's you enlist for one year(no bonuses or anything) to let you see how much the Guard sucks.


I did the try a year deal after active. We didn't really do anything during drill except busy work. My experience was similar to setlab's.
Berzerker77  [Team Member]
8/2/2010 11:00:41 PM
I suggest the going to different units and finding one you like. We normally do some pretty cool shit during drill and try to get all of the BS out of the way in one day. We try to do as much training as possible and keep each other motivated. We got back from Iraq a year ago next week and most of the guys are still pretty shit hot about learning and keeping skills up.

If you have the option to see what a unit is all about before commiting then you should take that route
Heartbreaker1373  [Member]
8/9/2010 12:42:51 PM
Originally Posted By setlab:
My unit we show up to drill and get a whole list of administrative paperwork/computer certification bullshit that has to be done (apparently it is way more important to do that then actually go to a range or do anything other then hip pocket training), if your not doing that or your smart enough to hide from it all we do is stand around and bullshit for the most part. The rank structure is virtually non existent NCO's are not allowed to discipline shitbag soldiers and privates run amuck, they are quick to give leaders flack about things they are told to do and are quick to pull the "I'll talk to my 1st line leader" response if someone actually wants them to do something they don't want to do. Alot of the NCO's don't know how to lead and have only obtained their rank threw promotion points alone. I would say conservatively 80% of the 11B's in my unit are turds, it's not uncommon for them to be AWOL on drills and generally every one of them has a piss poor outlook on their job and why they are in the National Guard. Thankfully I've never deployed with a National Guard unit, but I've heard the guys talking that have been on them, things like not loading their m-16s, not loading their magazines, and turning off the jammer so they can link up their psp's and play games while in convoy are not uncommon stories.

Really the only training we do do is hip pocket stuff, pull out the warrior skill level 1 book and give classes kinda thing for those of us that are motivated to train; but really no one pays attention to that stuff and it usually ends with the instructor being mocked especially latter on.

That was only a miniscule rant about the bottom less pit that is the National Guard I could probably go on all day about how fucked up my unit is (coming from a prior active guys prospective).

For the most part I enjoy drills though and the very limited training we do do, it's a nice change of pace to bullshit with other prior active guys. But that's about it.


What unit are you in? 148th? I was deployed with A and D Co. in 2002, and they weren't total shitbags then at least.
1911greg  [Team Member]
8/10/2010 5:30:10 PM
we use to do cool shit and have fun now its all "warrior tasks" and paperwork
setlab  [Team Member]
8/10/2010 5:53:10 PM
Originally Posted By Heartbreaker1373:
Originally Posted By setlab:
My unit we show up to drill and get a whole list of administrative paperwork/computer certification bullshit that has to be done (apparently it is way more important to do that then actually go to a range or do anything other then hip pocket training), if your not doing that or your smart enough to hide from it all we do is stand around and bullshit for the most part. The rank structure is virtually non existent NCO's are not allowed to discipline shitbag soldiers and privates run amuck, they are quick to give leaders flack about things they are told to do and are quick to pull the "I'll talk to my 1st line leader" response if someone actually wants them to do something they don't want to do. Alot of the NCO's don't know how to lead and have only obtained their rank threw promotion points alone. I would say conservatively 80% of the 11B's in my unit are turds, it's not uncommon for them to be AWOL on drills and generally every one of them has a piss poor outlook on their job and why they are in the National Guard. Thankfully I've never deployed with a National Guard unit, but I've heard the guys talking that have been on them, things like not loading their m-16s, not loading their magazines, and turning off the jammer so they can link up their psp's and play games while in convoy are not uncommon stories.

Really the only training we do do is hip pocket stuff, pull out the warrior skill level 1 book and give classes kinda thing for those of us that are motivated to train; but really no one pays attention to that stuff and it usually ends with the instructor being mocked especially latter on.

That was only a miniscule rant about the bottom less pit that is the National Guard I could probably go on all day about how fucked up my unit is (coming from a prior active guys prospective).

For the most part I enjoy drills though and the very limited training we do do, it's a nice change of pace to bullshit with other prior active guys. But that's about it.


What unit are you in? 148th? I was deployed with A and D Co. in 2002, and they weren't total shitbags then at least.


IMed you.
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