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SecurityPolice  [Team Member]
7/29/2009 3:10:14 PM
What are your Top 10 Favorite U.S. Presidents? Here are my top 10 Presidents:

1) Lincoln
2) Washington
3) FDR
4) Jefferson
5) Teddy Roosevelt
6) Reagan
7) Truman
8) Eisenhower
9) Kennedy
10) Jackson

SIPCAT-C  [Member]
7/29/2009 3:14:52 PM
Why'd you have to go and do something like this?
sd_norske  [Team Member]
7/29/2009 3:15:02 PM
There is much fail in your list.
nicholsmf  [Team Member]
7/29/2009 3:27:33 PM
and we're off
Scooter4736  [Team Member]
7/29/2009 3:31:03 PM
Ronald Reagan x10!!!!
LUGERMAN  [Team Member]
7/29/2009 3:36:59 PM
Originally Posted By sd_norske:
There is much fail in your list.



YEP, Lincoln at number 1!!!!!
guyanaman1963  [Member]
7/29/2009 4:17:03 PM


And away we go!!!!!
Miami_JBT  [Team Member]
7/29/2009 4:48:10 PM
Gee.... thanks.

PS - Your list is full of fail.
Sharpshooter  [Member]
8/1/2009 10:31:13 PM
Reagan
Eisenhower
Nixon
Then 7 other losers who did not deserve to be there but got there any way.
sms5183  [Team Member]
8/1/2009 10:37:32 PM

Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:
Reagan
Eisenhower
Nixon
Then 7 other losers who did not deserve to be there but got there any way.

I have never heard Washington or Jefferson described as losers. ( Lincoln only be unreconstructed Confederates).
AKARAV92  [Team Member]
8/2/2009 9:36:34 AM
Originally Posted By sms5183:

Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:
Reagan
Eisenhower
Nixon
Then 7 other losers who did not deserve to be there but got there any way.

I have never heard Washington or Jefferson described as losers. ( Lincoln only be unreconstructed Confederates).


this, there is no way that Jefferson would not make that list, he was big for the gun rights. I hope that was remembered.
sjuhockey10  [Team Member]
8/10/2009 12:11:36 AM
TR
Reagan
Washington
Adams
Jefferson

That's all, folks.
tnolley  [Team Member]
8/10/2009 5:02:33 PM
Washington (no explanation needed)
Jefferson (ditto)
Lincoln (preserved the Union)
Truman (used a nuke and fought North Korea)
Monroe (Monroe doctrine)
Reagan (Beat the Russkies)
GW Bush (Pre-emptive warfare)

Unless I am forgetting something major, the rest are "also rans".

rodmini14  [Member]
8/15/2009 12:05:56 AM
I can tell you who is at the bottom of the list....
Wilson
FDR
Carter
Clinton<–– used to be the bottom
Obama<–– new and improved bottom
sms5183  [Team Member]
8/16/2009 10:27:58 AM
I was hoping Sharpshooter would come back and explain how Washington and Jefferson were losers.
sms5183  [Team Member]
8/16/2009 10:27:59 AM
I was hoping Sharpshooter would come back and explain how Washington and Jefferson were losers.
finger  [Team Member]
8/16/2009 10:43:45 AM
Originally Posted By Scooter4736:
Ronald Reagan x10!!!!


THIS
amos1909  [Member]
8/21/2009 12:24:42 AM

Originally Posted By Scooter4736:
Ronald Reagan x10!!!!

+1000
odfox  [Team Member]
8/21/2009 12:31:35 AM
Jefferson, and Reagan.


I can't put Washington up there after the noted Hamiltonian influence (noted by Jefferson) and the whiskey rebellion.
SD307  [Member]
8/22/2009 11:46:34 PM
Originally Posted By SecurityPolice:
What are your Top 10 Favorite U.S. Presidents? Here are my top 10 Presidents:

1) Lincoln no expanded federal gov too much
2) Washington
3) FDR are you kidding me ???
4) Jefferson
5) Teddy Roosevelt
6) Reagan
7) Truman attepmted to make fed health care only did 3 things right bomb japan, recognize israel and fire Macarthur
8) Eisenhower
9) Kennedy bottom half in many ways only recognized for assassination, we lost the cuban missle crisis
10) Jackson



1. Teddy Roosevelt––-for creating the national parks, Panama Canal, steathening the Navy, and ending the Russo Jap war aswell as starting the FDA
2. Eisenhower––got us out of Korea, interstate highways, and put teeth into Brown vs board
3. Reagan- ended cold war, out of time
4. Jackson-
5. Lincoln
6. Adams
7. Monroe
8. Jefferson
9. Washington
10. Polk
Worst
1. Buchanan
2. Carter
3. Wilson
4. LBJ
5. Clinton
6. Grant
7. Nixon


ZombieHuntClub  [Member]
8/28/2009 1:49:15 AM
I give Washington #1 for 2 reasons. He doesnt want to be a king even though he could have easily done just that and (2) he sets the standard by which all others are measured. I'd go Lincoln 2. I have to say Jefferson 3 because he was the smartest president ever, I cant count his actual term as being that big except for the Louisiana Purchase. Doubling our size was a huge deal. #4? Sure Teddy had the Great White Fleet and all that and love the whole Western/ Roughriders/ San Juan Hill bit but I cant give him too much credit. I have to give Truman some credit for having the stones to nuke the Japanese twice. No one since has the guts to do that. Im glad but just saying.
Sharpshooter  [Member]
9/1/2009 9:02:37 AM

freddd  [Member]
9/1/2009 9:25:30 AM
FDR and Lincoln are at the bottom of my list. The two worst presidents. Read The Real Lincoln and The Forgotten Man (there are others about both presidents) and then pay attention to the facts. They were both all about expanding the power of government and controlling the people, the free market and generally speaking, liberty. We owe a lot to both of them for screwing up the system our founding fathers brilliantly created.
SecurityPolice  [Team Member]
9/8/2009 4:56:59 PM
The reason why I placed FDR on the list of Top 10 Presidents is because of his foreign policy. Once we were attached at Pearl Harbor, FDR was strong enough to push the country forward to win World War 2 with a total victory over both the Japanese and the Nazis.
postpostban  [Team Member]
9/20/2009 12:26:56 PM

Originally Posted By SecurityPolice:
The reason why I placed FDR on the list of Top 10 Presidents is because of his foreign policy. Once we were attached at Pearl Harbor, FDR was strong enough to push the country forward to win World War 2 with a total victory over both the Japanese and the Nazis.

You do understand he was Pres. for 4 terms right? What about all the things he did that wrecked this country? The things our grandchildren will be paying for?
KingRat  [Team Member]
9/21/2009 12:22:59 AM

Reagan is clearly our best President.

Lincoln was by far our worst President. ( so far )

I wouldn't include any of the Founding Fathers on the list because the nation that they started was overthrown by the Lincoln Administration.
Lincoln was actually our first, and worst, President.

alaman  [Member]
10/8/2009 10:05:06 PM
T. Roosevelt was a socialist
Notcalifornialegal  [Member]
10/21/2009 3:37:45 AM
1: T Roosevelt Made america a power and started us on our way to being a superpower. Volunteered to fight, overcame physical handicaps and expected everyone to do the same.
2: Reagan Ended the depression at the time and beat the hell out of Russia gave the most quotable speechs to date
3: Washington Risked death for treason and became our founding father, Showed extreme prudence when he refused multiple requests to become king, stepped down as ruler after two terms
4: Jackson HAD BALLS Only president to pay off the national debt, only president to attack his assassin, and survived multiple duels.
5: Coolidge Nobody ever lists him. He presided over one of the greatest expansions of wealth in U.S history.
6: Jefferson Downsized the government, and wrote the DOI. Avid 2nd amendments defender, and the main reason why we are able to own firearms
7: Eisenhower WW2 victor. Not fdr. Generals win wars, not CIC's. Highway construction and B vs B.
8: Nixon He opened up China, ended the Vietnam War and hated hippies. Caught the dems with prostitutes so they crapped themselves.
9: Monroe Established the don''t screw with us doctrine when we were relatively weak.
10: George Bush Jr. He got us through 9/11 and started the war on terror. Don't like it? Tough. No notable terrorist attacks on us since. Iraq war? Needed to be fought. Saddam was an evil son of a bitch and needed to be dealt with. He proved doing whats right isn't always what's popular.

Kennedy is nothing more than a rich playboy who was too busy getting blown by Marylin to run the country right. He is remember because the media kissed his ass like they are doing right now and he got assassinated. Thats is. Don't defend him.

FDR is the reason why we have such a stupidly large government. I am over-taxed, over-regulated, and have to cut a bunch of tape to deal with the gov't because of him.
thevibe  [Member]
10/28/2009 3:14:57 PM
Originally Posted By KingRat:

Reagan is clearly our best President.

Lincoln was by far our worst President. ( so far )

I wouldn't include any of the Founding Fathers on the list because the nation that they started was overthrown by the Lincoln Administration.
Lincoln was actually our first, and worst, President.



And I'm curious as to why you would say Lincoln was one of our worse presidents? Was it the radical decisions he had to make in a era where the United States has never seen before? Drastic times called for drastic measures
AlvinYork  [Team Member]
10/28/2009 3:19:27 PM
I have such great hopes for Barry.......
KingRat  [Team Member]
10/28/2009 9:47:48 PM
Originally Posted By thevibe:
Originally Posted By KingRat:

Reagan is clearly our best President.

Lincoln was by far our worst President. ( so far )

I wouldn't include any of the Founding Fathers on the list because the nation that they started was overthrown by the Lincoln Administration.
Lincoln was actually our first, and worst, President.



And I'm curious as to why you would say Lincoln was one of our worse presidents? Was it the radical decisions he had to make in a era where the United States has never seen before? Drastic times called for drastic measures


He wasn't one of our worst Presidents, he was the worst one period. He was a tyrannical dictator who launched an unnecessary war which cost over 620,000 soldiers their lives, and killed over 50,000 civilians, as well as hundreds of millions in destroyed and stolen property.

The war changed the nation from the united States, a Constitutional Republic to the United States, a socialistic Democracy; and shredded the Constitution.

"The Dictator Lincoln invaded the South without the consent of Congress, as called for in the Constitution; declared martial law; blockaded Southern ports without a declaration of war, as required by the Constitution; illegally suspended the writ of habeas corpus; imprisoned without trial thousands of Northern anti-war protesters, including hundreds of newspaper editors and owners; censored all newspaper and telegraph communication;nationalized the railroads; created three new states without the consent of the citizens of those states in order to artificially inflate the Republican Party’s electoral vote; ordered Federal troops to interfere with Northern elections to assure Republican Party victories; deported Ohio Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham for opposing his domestic policies (especially protectionist tariffs and income taxation) on the floor of the House of Representatives; confiscated private property, including firearms, in violation of the Second Amendment; and effectively gutted the Tenth and Ninth Amendments as well."

- Thomas J. DiLorenzo The Real Linconln








AlvinYork  [Team Member]
10/28/2009 11:13:31 PM
Originally Posted By KingRat:
Originally Posted By thevibe:
Originally Posted By KingRat:

Reagan is clearly our best President.

Lincoln was by far our worst President. ( so far )

I wouldn't include any of the Founding Fathers on the list because the nation that they started was overthrown by the Lincoln Administration.
Lincoln was actually our first, and worst, President.



And I'm curious as to why you would say Lincoln was one of our worse presidents? Was it the radical decisions he had to make in a era where the United States has never seen before? Drastic times called for drastic measures


He wasn't one of our worst Presidents, he was the worst one period. He was a tyrannical dictator who launched an unnecessary war which cost over 620,000 soldiers their lives, and killed over 50,000 civilians, as well as hundreds of millions in destroyed and stolen property.

The war changed the nation from the united States, a Constitutional Republic to the United States, a socialistic Democracy; and shredded the Constitution.

"The Dictator Lincoln invaded the South without the consent of Congress, as called for in the Constitution; declared martial law; blockaded Southern ports without a declaration of war, as required by the Constitution; illegally suspended the writ of habeas corpus; imprisoned without trial thousands of Northern anti-war protesters, including hundreds of newspaper editors and owners; censored all newspaper and telegraph communication;nationalized the railroads; created three new states without the consent of the citizens of those states in order to artificially inflate the Republican Party’s electoral vote; ordered Federal troops to interfere with Northern elections to assure Republican Party victories; deported Ohio Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham for opposing his domestic policies (especially protectionist tariffs and income taxation) on the floor of the House of Representatives; confiscated private property, including firearms, in violation of the Second Amendment; and effectively gutted the Tenth and Ninth Amendments as well."

- Thomas J. DiLorenzo The Real Linconln










Where and by whom were the first shots fired.......?
Revrifleman  [Member]
11/1/2009 10:46:41 AM
I have to agree about Lincoln. By the first shot I assume you are talking about Ft. Sumter. The Southern Confederacy gave plenty of time for a peaceful withdrawal of the garrison and Lincoln refused. I would rather look at war crimes to prove the point. When Lee invaded Pennsylvania there was not one singe claim of rape or abuse by southern soldiers against the citizens of that Commonwealth. In fact it was noted how little damage was done by the invading army and that everything seized was paid for. Can the same be said for Sherman in Georgia and South Caroline or Sheridan in the Shenandoah Valley? These two were no more than thugs given unruly mobs and sent to prey upon civilians. And it was condoned by their President: the first former radical Illinois Senator to seize the White House.
AlvinYork  [Team Member]
11/1/2009 5:56:06 PM
Originally Posted By Revrifleman:
I have to agree about Lincoln. By the first shot I assume you are talking about Ft. Sumter. The Southern Confederacy gave plenty of time for a peaceful withdrawal of the garrison and Lincoln refused. I would rather look at war crimes to prove the point. When Lee invaded Pennsylvania there was not one singe claim of rape or abuse by southern soldiers against the citizens of that Commonwealth. In fact it was noted how little damage was done by the invading army and that everything seized was paid for. Can the same be said for Sherman in Georgia and South Caroline or Sheridan in the Shenandoah Valley? These two were no more than thugs given unruly mobs and sent to prey upon civilians. And it was condoned by their President: the first former radical Illinois Senator to seize the White House.


It sounds like the state couldn't give the land away fast enough when the fort was established. It was considered federal property. The title had passed to the federal government.

This was interpreted by the first congresses to require that when any Federal installation was to be built within the boundaries of the state, the government had to purchase the property (unless it lay within the Public Domain) and the state legislature had to pass a law agreeing to the acquisition of the property. From the earliest days of the Republic, states have proved very agreeable to government installations, both from the money spent locally to build the fort or court-house, as well as the government payroll which would follow.
The process was very simple: a state would, through its members of Congress and senators, argue that the National Interest required that a fort be built, such as one in the middle of Charleston Harbor. The necessary legislation would pass Congress and be signed by the President. Then the state legislature would pass a law granting title (if the state owned the property) or affirming title (if the land was privately owned) to the United States. The one general exception was a clause inserted to allow state officials to enter the Federal property to seize fugitives from justice or to serve civil process papers. Depending upon the property in question there might also be affirmations of the right of eminent domain, i.e., if the private owner was unwilling to sell, the property would be appraised and, under the Fifth Amendment, the government would judicially take title, paying the owner the appraised price. In other cases, the state's approval was contingent upon the Federal government using the land. South Carolina's legislature was so anxious to have Fort Sumter, that it provided for the first two and left out the third exception.
It is important to note that then - and now - the government refused to accept property where there was any other restriction. The state gave up all rights it might have in the property. Otherwise Congress would refuse to appropriate the necessary funds to build the installation. The States bent over backwards to make certain they got their share - and then some - of the Federal budget, including quickly removing impediments to the government acquiring title.
And it is important to note that the title given to the United States was fee simple, with specific notice that the property was exempt from any state or local taxes. Except for the qualification that the property could be entered to seize fugitives, the property passed in perpetuity to the Federal government.

Fort Sumter


In the specific case of Fort Sumter, in 1827, Secretary of War John C. Calhoun had approved the construction of a new fort in the harbor. The first appropriations were made by Congress in 1828 and construction started on the harbor shoal. In November, 1834, after the United States had expended roughly $200,000, one Major William Laval, Esq., claimed title to the "land" which included the under-construction fort.
A South Carolina statute passed in 1791 established a method by which the state disposed of its vacant lands (we tend to forget that much of the territory of the states was empty in the Nineteenth Century: in the original thirteen states, this land was held by the states; in the remaining part of the country, it was held by the Federal government, except in Texas, where the public lands were retained by the state when it was admitted). Laval used the law to claim title to the land - but he described it in a vague manner and given the lack of decent maps of any of the country, his vagueness hid the exact location of the tract he claimed.
When Laval appeared on the scene, the Corps of Engineers stopped work and asked for instructions. It appeared that Laval had filed a proper claim for the land - except that the "land" was below low tide and therefore exempt from purchase.
Well South Carolina was aghast! They did not want to lose the fort to protect themselves, nor the payrolls that would come with the completed fort.
The result was a state law:

Committee on Federal Relations
In the House of Representatives, December 31st, 1836

"The Committee on Federal relations, to which was referred the Governor's message, relating to the site of Fort Sumter, in the harbour of Charleston, and the report of the Committee on Federal Relations from the Senate on the same subject, beg leave to Report by Resolution:

"Resolved, That this state do cede to the United States, all the right, title and claim of South Carolina to the site of Fort Sumter and the requisite quantity of adjacent territory, Provided, That all processes, civil and criminal issued under the authority of this State, or any officer thereof, shall and may be served and executed upon the same, and any person there being who may be implicated by law; and that the said land, site and structures enumerated, shall be forever exempt from liability to pay any tax to this state.

"Also resolved: That the State shall extinguish the claim, if any valid claim there be, of any individuals under the authority of this State, to the land hereby ceded.

"Also resolved, That the Attorney-General be instructed to investigate the claims of Wm. Laval and others to the site of Fort Sumter, and adjacent land contiguous thereto; and if he shall be of the opinion that these parties have a legal title to the said land, that Generals Hamilton and Hayne and James L. Pringle, Thomas Bennett and Ker. Boyce, Esquires, be appointed Commissioners on behalf of the State, to appraise the value thereof. If the Attorney-General should be of the opinion that the said title is not legal and valid, that he proceed by seire facius of other proper legal proceedings to have the same avoided; and that the Attorney-General and the said Commissioners report to the Legislature at its next session.

"Resolved, That this House to agree. Ordered that it be sent to the Senate for concurrence. By order of the House:

"T. W. Glover, C. H. R."
"In Senate, December 21st, 1836

Ownership of Fort Sumter
Bob Huddleston. 01/13/05


To say that the South Carolina and Charleston were not the aggressors when they had freely given up title to land they later took by force is ridiculous.
ZDSchlabach  [Team Member]
11/2/2009 2:03:25 PM
In before the Civil War lock...

Anyway, here's my list

1) Lincoln [preserved the Union]
2) Reagan [saved the Union from the Progressives, saved the economy after Carter 1.0, and gave some of the best damn speeches by a President]
3) Adams [kept us out of the French Revolution, defended the rule of law against Sam Adams and his ilk, and DECELERATION OF INDEPENDENCE]
4) Washington [kept us out of the French Revolution, gave up his sword]
5) Jefferson [wrote the DECELERATION OF INDEPENDENCE, didn't destroy the Union to combat Marshall's corruption]
6) Madison [wrote the Constitution, led the defense of Washington against the British]
7) Coolidge [was a federalist, his federal economic policies saved us from progressive policies [for a bit]
8) Cleveland [supported tariff reform, vetoed bills left and right [I like this on principle]
9) Hayes [civil service reform, ended the failure that was Reconstruction, still tried to protect civil rights]
10) Taft [he was a trust buster, defended business, and greatly respected the rule of law]

Here's the 5 Worst [this is as of November 02, since the current President is on a path to achieve this vaunted #1 spot]

1) FDR [a Wilsonian fascist he greatly expanded the role of the State that getting us to stop the Nazis doesn't save him from being number 1 on my list]
2) Wilson [the first American fascist, got us involved in WWI]
3) Johnson [expanded on FDR's programs, got us deeper into Vietnam while limiting our troops ability to win]
4) Roosevelt [the first progressive president, hated free market, beginnings of the nanny state]
5) Obama [ugh!, the newest breed of the above mentioned guys]
ronsii  [Member]
11/2/2009 2:08:47 PM
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
I have such great hopes for Barry.......


AlvinYork  [Team Member]
11/2/2009 5:50:09 PM
Originally Posted By ronsii:
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
I have such great hopes for Barry.......




I hope you understood it was sarcasm.
Notcalifornialegal  [Team Member]
11/6/2009 2:11:28 AM
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By ronsii:
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
I have such great hopes for Barry.......




I hope you understood it was sarcasm.


Of course not you socialist.
AlvinYork  [Team Member]
11/6/2009 7:10:48 PM
Originally Posted By Notcalifornialegal:
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By ronsii:
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
I have such great hopes for Barry.......




I hope you understood it was sarcasm.


Of course not you socialist.


long_danke  [Member]
11/20/2009 12:56:50 AM
My top :

1) Clinton
2) Kenedy
3) Washington
4) Lincoln
5) Eisenhower
6) Truman
7) Catter
8) Johnson
9) Jackson
10) Obama ^^
DonKey153  [Team Member]
11/29/2009 4:39:06 PM
Originally Posted By long_danke:
My top :

1) Clinton
2) Kenedy
3) Washington
4) Lincoln
5) Eisenhower
6) Truman
7) Catter
8) Johnson
9) Jackson
10) Obama ^^


Best presidents, not worst.
Cole2534  [Team Member]
12/4/2009 8:11:23 PM
Any list compiling a number of greatest presidents shouldn't be taken seriously without Jefferson.
sullafelix  [Member]
12/5/2009 11:27:15 PM
washington
lincoln
jefferson
reagan
polk
truman
coolidge
eisenhower
satellite  [Team Member]
12/16/2009 9:51:51 AM



STRIKE504  [Member]
12/22/2009 7:40:16 PM
Originally Posted By sd_norske:
There is much fail in your list.


Fucking THIS.

FDR? Really?
victorgonzales  [Member]
12/25/2009 3:01:51 AM
Washington, Jefferson, Reagan
kap_x  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 3:09:45 AM

Originally Posted By long_danke:
My top :

1) Clinton
2) Kenedy
3) Washington
4) Lincoln
5) Eisenhower
6) Truman
7) Catter
8) Johnson
9) Jackson
10) Obama ^^

Welcome back...
norwiscutter  [Team Member]
1/2/2010 5:00:38 PM
Originally Posted By ZDSchlabach:
In before the Civil War lock...

Anyway, here's my list

1) Lincoln [preserved the Union]
2) Reagan [saved the Union from the Progressives, saved the economy after Carter 1.0, and gave some of the best damn speeches by a President]
3) Adams [kept us out of the French Revolution, defended the rule of law against Sam Adams and his ilk, and DECELERATION OF INDEPENDENCE]
4) Washington [kept us out of the French Revolution, gave up his sword]
5) Jefferson [wrote the DECELERATION OF INDEPENDENCE, didn't destroy the Union to combat Marshall's corruption]
6) Madison [wrote the Constitution, led the defense of Washington against the British]
7) Coolidge [was a federalist, his federal economic policies saved us from progressive policies [for a bit]
8) Cleveland [supported tariff reform, vetoed bills left and right [I like this on principle]
9) Hayes [civil service reform, ended the failure that was Reconstruction, still tried to protect civil rights]
10) Taft [he was a trust buster, defended business, and greatly respected the rule of law]

Here's the 5 Worst [this is as of November 02, since the current President is on a path to achieve this vaunted #1 spot]

1) FDR [a Wilsonian fascist he greatly expanded the role of the State that getting us to stop the Nazis doesn't save him from being number 1 on my list]
2) Wilson [the first American fascist, got us involved in WWI]
3) Johnson [expanded on FDR's programs, got us deeper into Vietnam while limiting our troops ability to win]
4) Roosevelt [the first progressive president, hated free market, beginnings of the nanny state]
5) Obama [ugh!, the newest breed of the above mentioned guys]

With perhaps the exception of Lincoln, I agree.
Dave_A  [Team Member]
1/2/2010 5:08:14 PM

Originally Posted By thevibe:
Originally Posted By KingRat:

Reagan is clearly our best President.

Lincoln was by far our worst President. ( so far )

I wouldn't include any of the Founding Fathers on the list because the nation that they started was overthrown by the Lincoln Administration.
Lincoln was actually our first, and worst, President.



And I'm curious as to why you would say Lincoln was one of our worse presidents? Was it the radical decisions he had to make in a era where the United States has never seen before? Drastic times called for drastic measures

KingRat is a confederate revisionist....
Dave_A  [Team Member]
1/2/2010 5:13:24 PM

Originally Posted By KingRat:
Originally Posted By thevibe:
Originally Posted By KingRat:

Reagan is clearly our best President.

Lincoln was by far our worst President. ( so far )

I wouldn't include any of the Founding Fathers on the list because the nation that they started was overthrown by the Lincoln Administration.
Lincoln was actually our first, and worst, President.



And I'm curious as to why you would say Lincoln was one of our worse presidents? Was it the radical decisions he had to make in a era where the United States has never seen before? Drastic times called for drastic measures


He wasn't one of our worst Presidents, he was the worst one period. He was a tyrannical dictator who launched an unnecessary war which cost over 620,000 soldiers their lives, and killed over 50,000 civilians, as well as hundreds of millions in destroyed and stolen property.

The war changed the nation from the united States, a Constitutional Republic to the United States, a socialistic Democracy; and shredded the Constitution.

"The Dictator Lincoln invaded the South without the consent of Congress, as called for in the Constitution; declared martial law; blockaded Southern ports without a declaration of war, as required by the Constitution; illegally suspended the writ of habeas corpus; imprisoned without trial thousands of Northern anti-war protesters, including hundreds of newspaper editors and owners; censored all newspaper and telegraph communication;nationalized the railroads; created three new states without the consent of the citizens of those states in order to artificially inflate the Republican Party’s electoral vote; ordered Federal troops to interfere with Northern elections to assure Republican Party victories; deported Ohio Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham for opposing his domestic policies (especially protectionist tariffs and income taxation) on the floor of the House of Representatives; confiscated private property, including firearms, in violation of the Second Amendment; and effectively gutted the Tenth and Ninth Amendments as well."

- Thomas J. DiLorenzo The Real Linconln









The author you quoted was absolutely full of shit, and his 'work' is contradicted by the actual recorded history and the Constitution itself...

1) The war started before Lincoln was even sworn in...

2) There is no Constitutional requirement for a declaration of war...

3) Habeus Corpus was suspended by Congress, in accordance with the Constitution...

Lincoln didn't gut anything
Dave_A  [Team Member]
1/2/2010 5:18:22 PM
Anyone who puts Andrew Jackson on the 'best' list has no idea what they're talking about...

One of the most corrupt, and absolutely the most incompetent....

His entire term of office was one screw-up after another....