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 Do they still make you peel potatoes in the army?
chibajoe  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 12:54:43 PM
We're sitting around at the Christmas table and the question came up.

Merry Christmas Arfcom.
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ShingleMonkey  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 12:55:35 PM
When I was in 92 thru 98 it was all private contractor.
nealthedestroyer  [Member]
12/25/2009 12:56:34 PM
I never had to do it but im sure there are still some old crusty NCOs out there that use it as punishment.
TexasSheepdog  [Member]
12/25/2009 12:57:35 PM
Doubt it. Waste of manpower. Machines do it at a contractors site.
AR15fan  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 12:58:20 PM
Private contractors do all the crap details now that used to make military life so interesting. Hell these new kids dont even have to iron their uniforms or polish their boots.
poink  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 12:58:44 PM
Hell...considering some of the fucked up things I had to do in the Army...I would have killed to peel potatoes instead.
out-a-ammo  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 12:58:49 PM
Not anymore from what I hear.

4v50  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 1:01:32 PM
Originally Posted By TexasSheepdog:
Doubt it. Waste of manpower. Machines do it at a contractors site.


It's not the peeling that is a waste. The idea it so to keep them busy so they stay out of trouble.
krayons  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 1:02:23 PM
really?
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Hell these new kids dont even have to iron their uniforms or polish their boots.


pv74  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 1:09:14 PM
No...

But the last Airman I supervised got a DUI...
Fucker got his Article 15 in a tent during and excercise
He got to paint numbers for every parking space in the parking lot.
Then, he got the bitch job of organizing all of our cammo netting.
...and a shitload of other bitch jobs...


Shortly after I left, I found out that his ass got a Big Chicken Dinner....shithead got ANOTHER DUI!!!

Taipan01  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 1:09:37 PM
My second MOS, K.P.. Depends on the size of the mess hall. Smaller ones use a kind of cylinder with a sand paper on the inside. You dump a bunch of spuds in and let them go for a ride. Strips em in no time. Worst spot is the pot shack. Been there ten times. Usually upgrade to scully room. Best spot is garbage man. Been there twice.
shootmoa  [Member]
12/25/2009 1:12:13 PM
I was at a Marine recruit station, last year, and a civilian van pulled up at the barracks. Out comes a bunch of cleaning people with their gear to mop and clean the barracks. The days of FMJ have been gone a long time.
piccolo  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 1:17:08 PM
Back in my day......
AR15fan  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 1:17:30 PM
Originally Posted By shootmoa:
I was at a Marine recruit station, last year, and a civilian van pulled up at the barracks. Out comes a bunch of cleaning people with their gear to mop and clean the barracks. The days of FMJ have been gone a long time.


R0N  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 1:20:48 PM
Originally Posted By shootmoa:
I was at a Marine recruit station, last year, and a civilian van pulled up at the barracks. Out comes a bunch of cleaning people with their gear to mop and clean the barracks. The days of FMJ have been gone a long time.


Were they cleaning recruit squad bays or another project?

From what I have seen in 2nd MarDiv field days is held on Thursdays like it has been throughout the Marine Corps for the last 20 years.
-GunNutJuell-  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 1:22:17 PM
Originally Posted By pv74:
No...

But the last Airman I supervised got a DUI...
Fucker got his Article 15 in a tent during and excercise
He got to paint numbers for every parking space in the parking lot.
Then, he got the bitch job of organizing all of our cammo netting.
...and a shitload of other bitch jobs...


Shortly after I left, I found out that his ass got a Big Chicken Dinner....shithead got ANOTHER DUI!!!



In my unit he would have been promoted the first time, and if he tested positive for coke, or beat his wife he'd get..........Promoted again.
edb66  [Member]
12/25/2009 1:23:59 PM
Originally Posted By Taipan01:
My second MOS, K.P.. Depends on the size of the mess hall. Smaller ones use a kind of cylinder with a sand paper on the inside. You dump a bunch of spuds in and let them go for a ride. Strips em in no time. Worst spot is the pot shack. Been there ten times. Usually upgrade to scully room. Best spot is garbage man. Been there twice.


I remember that machine, it took longer to clean the fucking machine than it would have to peel the spuds!
navvet89  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 1:24:27 PM
Peel potatoes???

In the Navy you just add water to the powdered ones.
rooster4bravo  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 1:43:34 PM
+1 for powdered potatos.

Once in basic, I did have to peel onions that were starting to go bad. That sucked. That was 1998, and the cooks were all contractors, but they had trainees for KP.

I guess the simple answer is, yes, if there are potatos that need peeled, and no one else to peel them, yeah, ther're gonna get peeled.
winddummy82  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 1:46:10 PM
i can't count the potatoes i peeled in the summer of 83... ft. benning!

pots and pans rocked!!!!
KILLERB6  [Member]
12/25/2009 2:59:53 PM
Originally Posted By krayons:
really?
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Hell these new kids dont even have to iron their uniforms or polish their boots.




Really: desert (suede) boots and we haven't starched/ironed uniforms for...what, a decade now?
Shootist_Jeff  [Member]
12/25/2009 3:09:22 PM
Originally Posted By -GunNutJuell-:
Originally Posted By pv74:
No...

But the last Airman I supervised got a DUI...
Fucker got his Article 15 in a tent during and excercise
He got to paint numbers for every parking space in the parking lot.
Then, he got the bitch job of organizing all of our cammo netting.
...and a shitload of other bitch jobs...


Shortly after I left, I found out that his ass got a Big Chicken Dinner....shithead got ANOTHER DUI!!!



In my unit he would have been promoted the first time, and if he tested positive for coke, or beat his wife he'd get..........Promoted again.


We must have been in the same unit. When I was in theater a guy showed up drunk for duty. He was a driver too. He was promoted and got to go back home early. His punishment was that he didn't get his worthless medal. That's the way the Army does things these days.
GetDown_M4A3  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 3:11:52 PM
Originally Posted By shootmoa:
I was at a Marine recruit station, last year, and a civilian van pulled up at the barracks. Out comes a bunch of cleaning people with their gear to mop and clean the barracks. The days of FMJ have been gone a long time.


What? A recruiter barracks? What are you talking about?

We still clean our own, every week.
fadedsun  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 3:17:09 PM
At MOS school (Camp Pendleton, AAV Schoolhouse barracks) Every thursday was field day-WE DID IT. Scrubbed on average for 3-4 hours. Hated turday.

Sharpshooter  [Member]
12/25/2009 6:49:26 PM
When I was in OSUT KP was an assigned duty, never did it after I got out of AIT however. Mess Hall's were still Mess Hall's and they were still staffed by the Army right up until I got out in the early 90's. When I left I ate in the first "Dining Facility" that was contractor manned that I had ever seen. Honestly people can say what they want about it being a waste of many power and they are full of shit. Post Police duty and no I am not talking about MP duty as well as KP was one of those things that helped to re enforce a soldiers desire to be a great professional soldier. I find it sad that our military has slipped as much as it has from the Professional Army I was in. I was always proud of maintaing a STRAC appearance and having pressed uniforms and polished boots. A silly ass Beret and sloppy uniforms does not instill more pride and professionalism in our troops and allowing them to look like thugs with tattoos below the elbow is not good either.
shootmoa  [Member]
12/25/2009 11:12:30 PM
Can't remember the building #s, but it was Camp LeJeune. They were the squad bays with the rows of bunks, and with the separate Sgts. office. And it was civilian contractors coming in to clean them up, before the next group of recruits came in.

I also was under the impression that details of Marines cleaned their own barracks.

MattyMattel  [Member]
12/25/2009 11:18:38 PM
Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:
When I was in OSUT KP was an assigned duty, never did it after I got out of AIT however. Mess Hall's were still Mess Hall's and they were still staffed by the Army right up until I got out in the early 90's. When I left I ate in the first "Dining Facility" that was contractor manned that I had ever seen. Honestly people can say what they want about it being a waste of many power and they are full of shit. Post Police duty and no I am not talking about MP duty as well as KP was one of those things that helped to re enforce a soldiers desire to be a great professional soldier. I find it sad that our military has slipped as much as it has from the Professional Army I was in. I was always proud of maintaing a STRAC appearance and having pressed uniforms and polished boots. A silly ass Beret and sloppy uniforms does not instill more pride and professionalism in our troops and allowing them to look like thugs with tattoos below the elbow is not good either.
Yeah......

Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 11:27:33 PM
I'd like to tell you that ironing uniforms and polishing boots is BS, but 15% of my BN is flagged for adverse action, so there might be some truth to it.

I thought BDUs looked like shit. The boots too.
ThatGuy91K  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 11:27:53 PM

Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:
When I was in OSUT KP was an assigned duty, never did it after I got out of AIT however. Mess Hall's were still Mess Hall's and they were still staffed by the Army right up until I got out in the early 90's. When I left I ate in the first "Dining Facility" that was contractor manned that I had ever seen. Honestly people can say what they want about it being a waste of many power and they are full of shit. Post Police duty and no I am not talking about MP duty as well as KP was one of those things that helped to re enforce a soldiers desire to be a great professional soldier. I find it sad that our military has slipped as much as it has from the Professional Army I was in. I was always proud of maintaing a STRAC appearance and having pressed uniforms and polished boots. A silly ass Beret and sloppy uniforms does not instill more pride and professionalism in our troops and allowing them to look like thugs with tattoos below the elbow is not good either.

What was the old saying, no combat ready unit ever passed inspection. When there is a shooting war, time is much better spent training then doing police call and KP and other bullshit details.

Starch and kiwi has absolutely dick all with being competent and professional. Those are personality traits. You either have it or you don't.
Ken914  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 11:28:04 PM
My last tour in Iraq, I had a kid that kept got into a couple of fender benders. After some remedial drivers training, his squad leader thought it was an excellent idea to put him on a forklift... where he promptly punctured a 55g drum of oil.

I talked to the COR supervising the dining facility to make sure we wouldn't break any contract provisions... and the young man got to do KP for a week with the squad leader supervising.

I don't know if he peeled potatos, but he never had a problem driving a vehicle again. He got his shit together and went to the board when we got home.
Palm  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 11:34:40 PM
I bet they have not contracted out the burning of the honey buckets. That job is just to good to out source!
Ohio  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 11:35:01 PM
Originally Posted By shootmoa:
Can't remember the building #s, but it was Camp LeJeune. They were the squad bays with the rows of bunks, and with the separate Sgts. office. And it was civilian contractors coming in to clean them up, before the next group of recruits came in.

I also was under the impression that details of Marines cleaned their own barracks.





Clean/delouse between recruit classes. Not during basic.
Sharpshooter  [Member]
12/25/2009 11:40:24 PM

Originally Posted By ThatGuy91K:

Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:
When I was in OSUT KP was an assigned duty, never did it after I got out of AIT however. Mess Hall's were still Mess Hall's and they were still staffed by the Army right up until I got out in the early 90's. When I left I ate in the first "Dining Facility" that was contractor manned that I had ever seen. Honestly people can say what they want about it being a waste of many power and they are full of shit. Post Police duty and no I am not talking about MP duty as well as KP was one of those things that helped to re enforce a soldiers desire to be a great professional soldier. I find it sad that our military has slipped as much as it has from the Professional Army I was in. I was always proud of maintaing a STRAC appearance and having pressed uniforms and polished boots. A silly ass Beret and sloppy uniforms does not instill more pride and professionalism in our troops and allowing them to look like thugs with tattoos below the elbow is not good either.

What was the old saying, no combat ready unit ever passed inspection. When there is a shooting war, time is much better spent training then doing police call and KP and other bullshit details.

Starch and kiwi has absolutely dick all with being competent and professional. Those are personality traits. You either have it or you don't.
I used to hear a lot of pogues who got Article 15's say that back in the day. Strange we made short work of the shit in 91 . Hmmmm

Treadhead  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 11:41:31 PM
I don't know about the REGULAR ARMY but, in the NG...yep, you still pull KP and peel potato's.

I'll caveat that by mentioning that a LOT of NG units now outsource meals because finding line units with indigenous cooks is pretty rare these days (It was fairly common back 20-30 yrs ago) but, when they (Cooks) ARE around....you still have youngsters either peeling potatoes or scrubbing pans.
ThatGuy91K  [Team Member]
12/25/2009 11:58:38 PM

Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:

Originally Posted By ThatGuy91K:

Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:
When I was in OSUT KP was an assigned duty, never did it after I got out of AIT however. Mess Hall's were still Mess Hall's and they were still staffed by the Army right up until I got out in the early 90's. When I left I ate in the first "Dining Facility" that was contractor manned that I had ever seen. Honestly people can say what they want about it being a waste of many power and they are full of shit. Post Police duty and no I am not talking about MP duty as well as KP was one of those things that helped to re enforce a soldiers desire to be a great professional soldier. I find it sad that our military has slipped as much as it has from the Professional Army I was in. I was always proud of maintaing a STRAC appearance and having pressed uniforms and polished boots. A silly ass Beret and sloppy uniforms does not instill more pride and professionalism in our troops and allowing them to look like thugs with tattoos below the elbow is not good either.

What was the old saying, no combat ready unit ever passed inspection. When there is a shooting war, time is much better spent training then doing police call and KP and other bullshit details.

Starch and kiwi has absolutely dick all with being competent and professional. Those are personality traits. You either have it or you don't.
I used to hear a lot of pogues who got Article 15's say that back in the day. Strange we made short work of the shit in 91 . Hmmmm


And what was the deployment cycle like back then? How many junior enlisted Soldiers had multiple combat deployments?

tr6r  [Member]
12/25/2009 11:58:38 PM
I don't think I ever seen a real potato when I was in the navy.
Sharpshooter  [Member]
12/26/2009 12:23:30 AM

Originally Posted By ThatGuy91K:

Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:

Originally Posted By ThatGuy91K:

Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:
When I was in OSUT KP was an assigned duty, never did it after I got out of AIT however. Mess Hall's were still Mess Hall's and they were still staffed by the Army right up until I got out in the early 90's. When I left I ate in the first "Dining Facility" that was contractor manned that I had ever seen. Honestly people can say what they want about it being a waste of many power and they are full of shit. Post Police duty and no I am not talking about MP duty as well as KP was one of those things that helped to re enforce a soldiers desire to be a great professional soldier. I find it sad that our military has slipped as much as it has from the Professional Army I was in. I was always proud of maintaing a STRAC appearance and having pressed uniforms and polished boots. A silly ass Beret and sloppy uniforms does not instill more pride and professionalism in our troops and allowing them to look like thugs with tattoos below the elbow is not good either.

What was the old saying, no combat ready unit ever passed inspection. When there is a shooting war, time is much better spent training then doing police call and KP and other bullshit details.

Starch and kiwi has absolutely dick all with being competent and professional. Those are personality traits. You either have it or you don't.
I used to hear a lot of pogues who got Article 15's say that back in the day. Strange we made short work of the shit in 91 . Hmmmm


And what was the deployment cycle like back then? How many junior enlisted Soldiers had multiple combat deployments?


Actually since we are on the subject the deployment cycle is a part of the problem IMO. Go and stay and finish it . Rotations are bullshit. It was a mistake in Vietnam and it is now also.
BigW1stCav  [Team Member]
12/26/2009 12:32:34 AM
I had to do it while on KP duty at OSUT training in Fort Knox in 1987.

Literally, peeling potatoes.

Couldn't wait to write home about that one.
MaskedRat  [Member]
12/26/2009 12:46:26 AM
I'm actually glad they get contractors for most of this stuff.

It always annoyed me that they sent me to training to learn how to do technical stuff (usually with an upcoming deadline) and there I'd be mowing grass or emptying garbage cans or some shit because it was my turn. You wouldn't send an F-15 fighter pilot down to dig trenches because it's a waste of training and pretty much every other comparison is going to be degrees of truth for the same thing.

Unless there's literally nothing else to do.
Tim_the_enchanter  [Team Member]
12/26/2009 12:56:46 AM
During Marine Corps Recruit Training, one week is spent on mess/maint. Your platoon will spend the week either on mess duty or various working parties. My platoon did mess duty. One morning, I was selected to go in early and help the cooks. I made 4,000 pieces of French Toast and 2,600 biscuits. That is, I dipped 4,000 pieces of bread in egg and placed them on trays to be cooked. I cut out 2,600 biscuits and placed them on trays to be cooked.
That was for one days breakfast at the 2nd battalion mess hall. That's a shit load or french toast and biscuits. That's a lot for one Marine recruit to get done.
Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
12/26/2009 1:26:16 AM
Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:
Actually since we are on the subject the deployment cycle is a part of the problem IMO. Go and stay and finish it . Rotations are bullshit. It was a mistake in Vietnam and it is now also.


Afghanistan... For the last eight years?

What was your longest tour?
Dumpster_Baby  [Member]
12/26/2009 1:39:08 AM
Originally Posted By edb66:
Originally Posted By Taipan01:
My second MOS, K.P.. Depends on the size of the mess hall. Smaller ones use a kind of cylinder with a sand paper on the inside. You dump a bunch of spuds in and let them go for a ride. Strips em in no time. Worst spot is the pot shack. Been there ten times. Usually upgrade to scully room. Best spot is garbage man. Been there twice.


I remember that machine, it took longer to clean the fucking machine than it would have to peel the spuds!


I used one of those at MacDonald's in 1963. No pre-cut frozen fries back then. Unload the sacks of spuds off the commissary truck, tote them down to the basement, bring up a sack at a time, peel them, wash them, cut them in a hand operated press that pushed them down through a cutting grid to make the fries. I made lots of fries that way, all by hand.
Dave_A  [Team Member]
12/26/2009 1:46:27 AM

Originally Posted By chibajoe:
We're sitting around at the Christmas table and the question came up.

Merry Christmas Arfcom.

No.

Most food prep is done by civvies, and most of the stuff the Army cooks make in the field is, IIRC, pre-packaged...
Dave_A  [Team Member]
12/26/2009 1:48:07 AM

Originally Posted By krayons:
really?
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Hell these new kids dont even have to iron their uniforms or polish their boots.



ACUs are wash-and-wear only BY REGULATION. Starching, ironing, and pressing is a no-go.

The boots are rough-out leather (suede), and thus impossible to polish...

Dave_A  [Team Member]
12/26/2009 1:53:16 AM

Originally Posted By ThatGuy91K:

Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:
When I was in OSUT KP was an assigned duty, never did it after I got out of AIT however. Mess Hall's were still Mess Hall's and they were still staffed by the Army right up until I got out in the early 90's. When I left I ate in the first "Dining Facility" that was contractor manned that I had ever seen. Honestly people can say what they want about it being a waste of many power and they are full of shit. Post Police duty and no I am not talking about MP duty as well as KP was one of those things that helped to re enforce a soldiers desire to be a great professional soldier. I find it sad that our military has slipped as much as it has from the Professional Army I was in. I was always proud of maintaing a STRAC appearance and having pressed uniforms and polished boots. A silly ass Beret and sloppy uniforms does not instill more pride and professionalism in our troops and allowing them to look like thugs with tattoos below the elbow is not good either.

What was the old saying, no combat ready unit ever passed inspection. When there is a shooting war, time is much better spent training then doing police call and KP and other bullshit details.

Starch and kiwi has absolutely dick all with being competent and professional. Those are personality traits. You either have it or you don't.

Exactly.

'Parade Pretty' has it's place: in dedicated cerimonial units...

Wasting soldier's time by forcing them to maintain a work uniform as if it's a dress uniform does nothing to 'add to' pride & professionalism...

Any more than digging holes in the ground 'builds discipline'.
Dave_A  [Team Member]
12/26/2009 1:55:14 AM

Originally Posted By MaskedRat:
I'm actually glad they get contractors for most of this stuff.

It always annoyed me that they sent me to training to learn how to do technical stuff (usually with an upcoming deadline) and there I'd be mowing grass or emptying garbage cans or some shit because it was my turn. You wouldn't send an F-15 fighter pilot down to dig trenches because it's a waste of training and pretty much every other comparison is going to be degrees of truth for the same thing.

Unless there's literally nothing else to do.

Alot of the 'change' has been due to the deployment cycle...

They just can't afford to waste troops on gate guard, KP, etc...

Lewis still had Army cooks in some of the DFACs - but that was a sign you'd get the shittiest food & even worse service (6 french fries is a serving... Not 7 or 8. 6. And that's all you get)....
Dave_A  [Team Member]
12/26/2009 1:56:48 AM

Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:


Actually since we are on the subject the deployment cycle is a part of the problem IMO. Go and stay and finish it . Rotations are bullshit. It was a mistake in Vietnam and it is now also.

'Go and stay' died with the draft...

Neither the all-volunteer-force, nor our equipment, can handle an 8+ year war without reset/retrain periods...

desertmoon  [Team Member]
12/26/2009 1:59:36 AM

Originally Posted By winddummy82:
i can't count the potatoes i peeled in the summer of 83... ft. benning!

pots and pans rocked!!!!


I got stuck on KP and had to do TWO BAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone here remember how fucking HUGE those bags were???

I still have issues.........
RickNC  [Member]
12/26/2009 6:44:51 AM
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By krayons:
really?
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Hell these new kids dont even have to iron their uniforms or polish their boots.




Really: desert (suede) boots and we haven't starched/ironed uniforms for...what, a decade now?


No. I got out in 04 and I was ironing and polishing nearly that whole time. It all stopped when ACU's came out.
slash61  [Team Member]
12/26/2009 8:15:51 AM
Originally Posted By shootmoa:
I was at a Marine recruit station, last year, and a civilian van pulled up at the barracks. Out comes a bunch of cleaning people with their gear to mop and clean the barracks. The days of FMJ have been gone a long time.


that must have been the officer barracks. recruits clean theres with skuz rags and brushes.
FightingHellfish  [Team Member]
12/26/2009 8:44:47 AM
Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:

Originally Posted By ThatGuy91K:

Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:
When I was in OSUT KP was an assigned duty, never did it after I got out of AIT however. Mess Hall's were still Mess Hall's and they were still staffed by the Army right up until I got out in the early 90's. When I left I ate in the first "Dining Facility" that was contractor manned that I had ever seen. Honestly people can say what they want about it being a waste of many power and they are full of shit. Post Police duty and no I am not talking about MP duty as well as KP was one of those things that helped to re enforce a soldiers desire to be a great professional soldier. I find it sad that our military has slipped as much as it has from the Professional Army I was in. I was always proud of maintaing a STRAC appearance and having pressed uniforms and polished boots. A silly ass Beret and sloppy uniforms does not instill more pride and professionalism in our troops and allowing them to look like thugs with tattoos below the elbow is not good either.

What was the old saying, no combat ready unit ever passed inspection. When there is a shooting war, time is much better spent training then doing police call and KP and other bullshit details.

Starch and kiwi has absolutely dick all with being competent and professional. Those are personality traits. You either have it or you don't.
I used to hear a lot of pogues who got Article 15's say that back in the day. Strange we made short work of the shit in 91 . Hmmmm



A professional Army should be most concerned with the profession of arms, and less concerned with the profession of garrison. I'd rather my Soldiers be fully up to speed on shoot, move and communicate than experts with iron, cadence and polish.



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