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Rhodesia?
5/30/2009 5:08:23 PM
Okay, (unbiased) information about Rhodesia is hard to come by and I especially don't trust Wikipedia.
Can anyone (preferably someone who was there) tell me about this country?
EDIT: One more thing: Why did the "international community" have it in for their government?
Can anyone (preferably someone who was there) tell me about this country?
EDIT: One more thing: Why did the "international community" have it in for their government?
5/30/2009 5:11:33 PM
Evil white men, doing typical evil white men things were condemned by the global community so the pure and fair blackman could run the country into the ground fix all the problems the white men created.
5/30/2009 5:13:08 PM
Originally Posted By LtDirector:
Evil white men, doing typical evil white men things were condemned by the global community so the pure and fair blackman could run the country into the ground fix all the problems they white men created.
Evil white men, doing typical evil white men things were condemned by the global community so the pure and fair blackman could run the country into the ground fix all the problems they white men created.
What I understand as well.
It used to be the bread basket of Africa. Now... Lets just say it's an African nation.
5/30/2009 5:14:52 PM
Originally Posted By LtDirector:
Evil white men, doing typical evil white men things were condemned by the global community so the pure and fair blackman could run the country into the ground fix all the problems the white men created.
Evil white men, doing typical evil white men things were condemned by the global community so the pure and fair blackman could run the country into the ground fix all the problems the white men created.
HAHA we will see if that is the case in South Africa.
5/30/2009 5:16:26 PM
It was Cecil Rhode's private country, founded back in the late 19th century. It had independence and ruled by a white minority like South Africa. In the 70's, communist black guerrillas began fighting to overthrow the government, and ultimately succeeded in 1979 or so, putting Robert Mugabe in charge and renaming it Zimbabwe. Thiings steadily went downhill from there but has gotten worse in recent years as Mugabe has nationalized private farms that were the basis of the economy because they were owned by white people. They were given to black political supporters who were long on loyalty to Mugabe but short on agricultural skill. The economy started getting bad so the government printed money to pay its bills. Zimbabwe has the highest inflation rate in the world. its money is denominated in the billions and it is worthless. People have resorted to panning for meager amounts of gold to pay for bread baked with imported flour. The foreign press is banned from Zimbawe, the NY Times Nicholas Kristof snuck in there a year or two ago and reported what he saw in his columns, Zimbabwe's neighbors guard their borders to prevent refugees from coming into their countries and becoming a burden.
That's about all I know about Zimbabwe/Rhodesia.
That's about all I know about Zimbabwe/Rhodesia.
5/30/2009 5:16:26 PM
You might check state department website and/or CIA website....I did when I was going to Ukraine to get an idea of things and for search terms to use.
5/30/2009 5:17:48 PM
They kicked the productive farmers off b/c it was "racist" that they were white and owned farm land. The black Africans they gave the land to had no clue how about how to grow food and now its the starving hell hole known as Zimbabwe.
Heres a great summary about Africa in general.
Let Africa Sink
Heres a great summary about Africa in general.
Let Africa Sink
5/30/2009 5:18:58 PM
Originally Posted By TxTech0011:
HAHA we will haveseen if that is the case in South Africa.
Originally Posted By LtDirector:
Evil white men, doing typical evil white men things were condemned by the global community so the pure and fair blackman could run the country into the ground fix all the problems the white men created.
Evil white men, doing typical evil white men things were condemned by the global community so the pure and fair blackman could run the country into the ground fix all the problems the white men created.
HAHA we will haveseen if that is the case in South Africa.
Fixed it
5/30/2009 5:20:47 PM
Makes you wonder where it will be in 100yrs............
It's scary to look at pictures from 40-50yrs ago of africa...Very modern areas , now it's like mad max.
It's scary to look at pictures from 40-50yrs ago of africa...Very modern areas , now it's like mad max.
5/30/2009 5:25:15 PM
Tagged.
Funny, last night I was watching 'the gods must be crazy' and thought about Rhodesia.
Funny, last night I was watching 'the gods must be crazy' and thought about Rhodesia.
5/30/2009 5:41:49 PM
Originally Posted By raven:
It was Cecil Rhode's private country, founded back in the late 19th century. It had independence and ruled by a white minority like South Africa. In the 70's, communist black guerrillas began fighting to overthrow the government, and ultimately succeeded in 1979 or so, putting Robert Mugabe in charge and renaming it Zimbabwe. Thiings steadily went downhill from there but has gotten worse in recent years as Mugabe has nationalized private farms that were the basis of the economy because they were owned by white people. They were given to black political supporters who were long on loyalty to Mugabe but short on agricultural skill. The economy started getting bad so the government printed money to pay its bills. Zimbabwe has the highest inflation rate in the world. its money is denominated in the billions and it is worthless. People have resorted to panning for meager amounts of gold to pay for bread baked with imported flour. The foreign press is banned from Zimbawe, the NY Times Nicholas Kristof snuck in there a year or two ago and reported what he saw in his columns, Zimbabwe's neighbors guard their borders to prevent refugees from coming into their countries and becoming a burden.
That's about all I know about Zimbabwe/Rhodesia.
It was Cecil Rhode's private country, founded back in the late 19th century. It had independence and ruled by a white minority like South Africa. In the 70's, communist black guerrillas began fighting to overthrow the government, and ultimately succeeded in 1979 or so, putting Robert Mugabe in charge and renaming it Zimbabwe. Thiings steadily went downhill from there but has gotten worse in recent years as Mugabe has nationalized private farms that were the basis of the economy because they were owned by white people. They were given to black political supporters who were long on loyalty to Mugabe but short on agricultural skill. The economy started getting bad so the government printed money to pay its bills. Zimbabwe has the highest inflation rate in the world. its money is denominated in the billions and it is worthless. People have resorted to panning for meager amounts of gold to pay for bread baked with imported flour. The foreign press is banned from Zimbawe, the NY Times Nicholas Kristof snuck in there a year or two ago and reported what he saw in his columns, Zimbabwe's neighbors guard their borders to prevent refugees from coming into their countries and becoming a burden.
That's about all I know about Zimbabwe/Rhodesia.
Wait, how do you create a private country?
5/30/2009 5:54:27 PM
Originally Posted By Angry_Slav_Bastard:
Wait, how do you create a private country?
Originally Posted By raven:
It was Cecil Rhode's private country, founded back in the late 19th century. It had independence and ruled by a white minority like South Africa. In the 70's, communist black guerrillas began fighting to overthrow the government, and ultimately succeeded in 1979 or so, putting Robert Mugabe in charge and renaming it Zimbabwe. Thiings steadily went downhill from there but has gotten worse in recent years as Mugabe has nationalized private farms that were the basis of the economy because they were owned by white people. They were given to black political supporters who were long on loyalty to Mugabe but short on agricultural skill. The economy started getting bad so the government printed money to pay its bills. Zimbabwe has the highest inflation rate in the world. its money is denominated in the billions and it is worthless. People have resorted to panning for meager amounts of gold to pay for bread baked with imported flour. The foreign press is banned from Zimbawe, the NY Times Nicholas Kristof snuck in there a year or two ago and reported what he saw in his columns, Zimbabwe's neighbors guard their borders to prevent refugees from coming into their countries and becoming a burden.
That's about all I know about Zimbabwe/Rhodesia.
It was Cecil Rhode's private country, founded back in the late 19th century. It had independence and ruled by a white minority like South Africa. In the 70's, communist black guerrillas began fighting to overthrow the government, and ultimately succeeded in 1979 or so, putting Robert Mugabe in charge and renaming it Zimbabwe. Thiings steadily went downhill from there but has gotten worse in recent years as Mugabe has nationalized private farms that were the basis of the economy because they were owned by white people. They were given to black political supporters who were long on loyalty to Mugabe but short on agricultural skill. The economy started getting bad so the government printed money to pay its bills. Zimbabwe has the highest inflation rate in the world. its money is denominated in the billions and it is worthless. People have resorted to panning for meager amounts of gold to pay for bread baked with imported flour. The foreign press is banned from Zimbawe, the NY Times Nicholas Kristof snuck in there a year or two ago and reported what he saw in his columns, Zimbabwe's neighbors guard their borders to prevent refugees from coming into their countries and becoming a burden.
That's about all I know about Zimbabwe/Rhodesia.
Wait, how do you create a private country?
Sort of like how Ogelthorpe, William Penn, Roger Williams, or George Calvert started their own colonies here in America. They get blessing from the king and then take the land. At some point the country was awarded its independence.
5/30/2009 5:55:32 PM
OST
5/30/2009 6:04:34 PM
Originally Posted By Angry_Slav_Bastard:
Wait, how do you create a private country?
Originally Posted By raven:
It was Cecil Rhode's private country, founded back in the late 19th century. It had independence and ruled by a white minority like South Africa. In the 70's, communist black guerrillas began fighting to overthrow the government, and ultimately succeeded in 1979 or so, putting Robert Mugabe in charge and renaming it Zimbabwe. Thiings steadily went downhill from there but has gotten worse in recent years as Mugabe has nationalized private farms that were the basis of the economy because they were owned by white people. They were given to black political supporters who were long on loyalty to Mugabe but short on agricultural skill. The economy started getting bad so the government printed money to pay its bills. Zimbabwe has the highest inflation rate in the world. its money is denominated in the billions and it is worthless. People have resorted to panning for meager amounts of gold to pay for bread baked with imported flour. The foreign press is banned from Zimbawe, the NY Times Nicholas Kristof snuck in there a year or two ago and reported what he saw in his columns, Zimbabwe's neighbors guard their borders to prevent refugees from coming into their countries and becoming a burden.
That's about all I know about Zimbabwe/Rhodesia.
It was Cecil Rhode's private country, founded back in the late 19th century. It had independence and ruled by a white minority like South Africa. In the 70's, communist black guerrillas began fighting to overthrow the government, and ultimately succeeded in 1979 or so, putting Robert Mugabe in charge and renaming it Zimbabwe. Thiings steadily went downhill from there but has gotten worse in recent years as Mugabe has nationalized private farms that were the basis of the economy because they were owned by white people. They were given to black political supporters who were long on loyalty to Mugabe but short on agricultural skill. The economy started getting bad so the government printed money to pay its bills. Zimbabwe has the highest inflation rate in the world. its money is denominated in the billions and it is worthless. People have resorted to panning for meager amounts of gold to pay for bread baked with imported flour. The foreign press is banned from Zimbawe, the NY Times Nicholas Kristof snuck in there a year or two ago and reported what he saw in his columns, Zimbabwe's neighbors guard their borders to prevent refugees from coming into their countries and becoming a burden.
That's about all I know about Zimbabwe/Rhodesia.
Wait, how do you create a private country?
Well, you first secure mining rights to the area, then get a charter from the Queen allowing you to form the British South Africa Company...then you simply run the country as your own in the name of the BSAC and the Queen who graciously allows you to run it as you see fit so long as the crown is making money.
The short version, but accurate as far as it goes.
5/30/2009 6:12:40 PM
5/30/2009 6:15:22 PM
for the insurgency, read Chris Cocks "fireforce", that pretty much sums up the war. Rhodesia used to be a bread basket, now they currency is worthless and they are starving, maybe driving out the white farmers wasn't such a good idea?
5/30/2009 6:16:14 PM
Classic example of why Progressive Socialism is soooooo coooool
5/30/2009 6:18:20 PM
Hang around this country for a couple more years, you'll have first hand knowledge of the decline of Rhodesia.
5/30/2009 6:18:48 PM
They've got cool dogs.
5/30/2009 6:21:49 PM
There is a book called The Farmer at War about the end of Rhodesia. It's not the complete story but it is available free online and is very interesting if you want to learn about the country.
5/30/2009 6:27:09 PM
Didn't a lot of US Vietnam vets end up going to Rhodesia to fight the insurgency? I have heard there tactics of dropping a stick of paratroopers cutting off insurgents and having another land force move into fight the insurgents was very effective.
5/30/2009 6:33:51 PM
Originally Posted By Spartan24:
Didn't a lot of US Vietnam vets end up going to Rhodesia to fight the insurgency? I have heard there tactics of dropping a stick of paratroopers cutting off insurgents and having another land force move into fight the insurgents was very effective.
Didn't a lot of US Vietnam vets end up going to Rhodesia to fight the insurgency? I have heard there tactics of dropping a stick of paratroopers cutting off insurgents and having another land force move into fight the insurgents was very effective.
5/30/2009 6:35:09 PM
I met a guy named Tim that was friends with my BIL (interesting fellow he was-married a girl from there, got into a scrap later on in the "80 trying to do a job in Ghana). He had fought there with a few other Americans during the Bush War. He said he couldn't walk into a pub and buy a beer-the locals insisted on picking up the tab. He was a Cpl by the time Mugabe was elected, and was told that "going on leave, for an extended time" might be a good idea. He came back to the states.
He said the insurgant forces were absolute savages. Now they're in chage.
England put the pressure on Rhodesia after Ian Smith declared independence. Why? I have no idea. Communist sympathizers perhaps? Maybe for the same reason we did what we did to SA (remember how the leftist academic community used to whine about "apartheid"?). They took on the brunt of communism during the Cold War and that's how they were rewarded. You can thank the Left in this country for fucking up more than one productive country.
He said the insurgant forces were absolute savages. Now they're in chage.
England put the pressure on Rhodesia after Ian Smith declared independence. Why? I have no idea. Communist sympathizers perhaps? Maybe for the same reason we did what we did to SA (remember how the leftist academic community used to whine about "apartheid"?). They took on the brunt of communism during the Cold War and that's how they were rewarded. You can thank the Left in this country for fucking up more than one productive country.
5/30/2009 6:36:34 PM
stupid attack
5/30/2009 6:37:57 PM
Will we get to pick a cool tribal-sounding name to replace America?
Barry is well on his way to pulling the biggest Mugabe in history, economically at least.
Barry is well on his way to pulling the biggest Mugabe in history, economically at least.
5/30/2009 6:39:14 PM
I love Rhodesia threads! Somebody post the Rhodesian army recruitment poster already!
5/30/2009 6:42:32 PM
INSMTSS
in before somebody mentions the SELOUS SCOUTS
in before somebody mentions the SELOUS SCOUTS
5/30/2009 6:46:26 PM
Originally Posted By deerfieldAR:
I love Rhodesia threads! Somebody post the Rhodesian army recruitment poster already!
I love Rhodesia threads! Somebody post the Rhodesian army recruitment poster already!
Look 4 posts above yours.
5/30/2009 6:48:11 PM
Originally Posted By DVCAPI:
Look 4 posts above yours.
Originally Posted By deerfieldAR:
I love Rhodesia threads! Somebody post the Rhodesian army recruitment poster already!
I love Rhodesia threads! Somebody post the Rhodesian army recruitment poster already!
Look 4 posts above yours.
It was posted while I was typing. Cool.
5/30/2009 6:49:08 PM
Another classic example.......of da white man oppressin da brother an `keepin him down.
Oh, and don't forget: AIDS was introduced by the white man in order to exterminate the black in Africa.
(damn! that one didn't work)
5/30/2009 6:51:21 PM
Originally Posted By Shockergd:
Makes you wonder where it will be in 100yrs............
It's scary to look at pictures from 40-50yrs ago of africa...Very modern areas , now it's like mad max.
Makes you wonder where it will be in 100yrs............
It's scary to look at pictures from 40-50yrs ago of africa...Very modern areas , now it's like mad max.
I was at a hunting trade show in So California about 8 years ago and spoke to a Rep from Safari Club, originally from a formerly prosperous African nation that is now a Mad Maxesque Shit-Hole.
From memory,
In a hundred years there will likely be no trace the whites were ever in Africa. The cities will be no more, and in most cases the lands will do what they always do, swallow up everything. The jungles and grass land will reclaim the roads, the houses, and farms. The rest will rust away or be carted away by the blacks. In the end there may be some rubble but not much more.
That is close as I can come to what was said.
5/30/2009 6:52:19 PM
I met a veteran of Vietnam who went to fight in Rhodesia. We talked for hours.
It was a major fuckup. Guess who was Mugabe's economic advisor? Hint, he was killed in a car crash. In Kenya.
It was a major fuckup. Guess who was Mugabe's economic advisor? Hint, he was killed in a car crash. In Kenya.
5/30/2009 6:53:49 PM
Originally Posted By Beamy:
INSMTSS
in before somebody mentions the SELOUS SCOUTS
INSMTSS
in before somebody mentions the SELOUS SCOUTS
They were some bad mofos.
5/30/2009 6:54:36 PM
Think they'll start taking farmland from farmers and giving it to urbanites here in the US?
5/30/2009 6:57:39 PM
Originally Posted By Justin-Kase:
There is a book called The Farmer at War about the end of Rhodesia. It's not the complete story but it is available free online and is very interesting if you want to learn about the country.
There is a book called The Farmer at War about the end of Rhodesia. It's not the complete story but it is available free online and is very interesting if you want to learn about the country.
http://www.rhodesia.nl/farmeratwar.html
Just in case someone wants a link.
5/30/2009 7:04:28 PM
A good rundown has already been given. A couple of things to add...
Rhodesia had a LONG military tradition, having had more troops in WW1 & 2 than any part of the commonwealth (per white guy capita) they also fought well in Malaysia and one of the other little Brit brushwars of the 60s
The Brits were pushing Rhodesia toward majority rule, which is why they declared independence
There were actually two insurgencies fighting against the Rhodies, one ChiCom backed and One (led by Mugabe) Soviet backed
The Rhodesian Army was partially racially integrated, and becoming more so. Not all the blacks were stupid and fought hard against the communists.
The Rhodies led one of the most amazingly successful counter insurgency campaigns ever, on a shoestring budget, but eventually lost, proving that tactics don't win a war (we should have learned the same thing in Vietnam the decade before)
From a military history buff's point of view they had a really cool military
For Reading I would recommend "White Tribe" by Robin Moore ("Green Beret" Robin Moore) it is fiction and told from a larger perspective with some stuff blaming the Carter Administration
"Fireforce" by Criss Cox is a great read, true story of a young mans experience in the Rhodesian Light Infantry.
Rhodesia had a LONG military tradition, having had more troops in WW1 & 2 than any part of the commonwealth (per white guy capita) they also fought well in Malaysia and one of the other little Brit brushwars of the 60s
The Brits were pushing Rhodesia toward majority rule, which is why they declared independence
There were actually two insurgencies fighting against the Rhodies, one ChiCom backed and One (led by Mugabe) Soviet backed
The Rhodesian Army was partially racially integrated, and becoming more so. Not all the blacks were stupid and fought hard against the communists.
The Rhodies led one of the most amazingly successful counter insurgency campaigns ever, on a shoestring budget, but eventually lost, proving that tactics don't win a war (we should have learned the same thing in Vietnam the decade before)
From a military history buff's point of view they had a really cool military
For Reading I would recommend "White Tribe" by Robin Moore ("Green Beret" Robin Moore) it is fiction and told from a larger perspective with some stuff blaming the Carter Administration
"Fireforce" by Criss Cox is a great read, true story of a young mans experience in the Rhodesian Light Infantry.
5/30/2009 7:08:57 PM
Lot's of good Rhodesian Videos
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EB8D43AA0A20555D&search_query=rhodesia
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EB8D43AA0A20555D&search_query=rhodesia
5/30/2009 7:12:30 PM
Originally Posted By lostnswv:
I was at a hunting trade show in So California about 8 years ago and spoke to a Rep from Safari Club, originally from a formerly prosperous African nation that is now a Mad Maxesque Shit-Hole.
From memory,
In a hundred years there will likely be no trace the whites were ever in Africa. The cities will be no more, and in most cases the lands will do what they always do, swallow up everything. The jungles and grass land will reclaim the roads, the houses, and farms. The rest will rust away or be carted away by the blacks. In the end there may be some rubble but not much more.
That is close as I can come to what was said.
Originally Posted By Shockergd:
Makes you wonder where it will be in 100yrs............
It's scary to look at pictures from 40-50yrs ago of africa...Very modern areas , now it's like mad max.
Makes you wonder where it will be in 100yrs............
It's scary to look at pictures from 40-50yrs ago of africa...Very modern areas , now it's like mad max.
I was at a hunting trade show in So California about 8 years ago and spoke to a Rep from Safari Club, originally from a formerly prosperous African nation that is now a Mad Maxesque Shit-Hole.
From memory,
In a hundred years there will likely be no trace the whites were ever in Africa. The cities will be no more, and in most cases the lands will do what they always do, swallow up everything. The jungles and grass land will reclaim the roads, the houses, and farms. The rest will rust away or be carted away by the blacks. In the end there may be some rubble but not much more.
That is close as I can come to what was said.
But would that be so bad?
5/30/2009 7:12:58 PM
Originally Posted By InjunJoe:
They were some bad mofos.
http://selousscouts.tripod.com/ss41.jpg http://selousscouts.tripod.com/scoutpic.jpg
Originally Posted By Beamy:
INSMTSS
in before somebody mentions the SELOUS SCOUTS
INSMTSS
in before somebody mentions the SELOUS SCOUTS
They were some bad mofos.
http://selousscouts.tripod.com/ss41.jpg http://selousscouts.tripod.com/scoutpic.jpg
I remember Swindle1984's description of them and everybody's "uhh wat?
" response haha!5/30/2009 7:18:41 PM
Originally Posted By lostnswv:
I was at a hunting trade show in So California about 8 years ago and spoke to a Rep from Safari Club, originally from a formerly prosperous African nation that is now a Mad Maxesque Shit-Hole.
From memory,
In a hundred years there will likely be no trace the whites were ever in Africa. The cities will be no more, and in most cases the lands will do what they always do, swallow up everything. The jungles and grass land will reclaim the roads, the houses, and farms. The rest will rust away or be carted away by the blacks. In the end there may be some rubble but not much more.
That is close as I can come to what was said.
Originally Posted By Shockergd:
Makes you wonder where it will be in 100yrs............
It's scary to look at pictures from 40-50yrs ago of africa...Very modern areas , now it's like mad max.
Makes you wonder where it will be in 100yrs............
It's scary to look at pictures from 40-50yrs ago of africa...Very modern areas , now it's like mad max.
I was at a hunting trade show in So California about 8 years ago and spoke to a Rep from Safari Club, originally from a formerly prosperous African nation that is now a Mad Maxesque Shit-Hole.
From memory,
In a hundred years there will likely be no trace the whites were ever in Africa. The cities will be no more, and in most cases the lands will do what they always do, swallow up everything. The jungles and grass land will reclaim the roads, the houses, and farms. The rest will rust away or be carted away by the blacks. In the end there may be some rubble but not much more.
That is close as I can come to what was said.
Well, you obviously don't know history well, and neither does your friend! I recommend you take a course in Afro-Centricism. Contrary to what you have been taught by the racist white education system, great minds like Aristotle,and Socrates, were a black African. Also, everyone in the Bible except Satan and the racist Roman oppressors, were black (they killed Jesus because He spoke out against the white Pharisees). Northern Africa was full of great libraries that were burned to the ground by violent Eurotrash. The great learning and art was stolen and taken to Europe. Electricity was invented in Africa-the fact that Africa is today called "The Dark Continent" due to its lack of electricity is because of violent Euro-savages. In ancient Africa, there were no WARS as we know them. Conflicts between tribes were resolved through dancing and ceremonies where no one was actually hurt. So you see, all of the problems of Africa started with the white invasion. Once them white man is gone, Africa will return to the heaven it once was.
HERE IS THE CLINCHER: EVERYTHING I WROTE ABOVE IS ACTUALLY TAUGHT IN AFROCENTRIC CLASSES. THERE ARE SOME CHILDREN IN AMERICA WHO ARE BEING TAUGHT THIS. I MADE NONE OF IT UP, AND CAN GIVE CITATIONS.
5/30/2009 7:47:59 PM
Originally Posted By 4v50:
But would that be so bad?
Originally Posted By lostnswv:
I was at a hunting trade show in So California about 8 years ago and spoke to a Rep from Safari Club, originally from a formerly prosperous African nation that is now a Mad Maxesque Shit-Hole.
From memory,
In a hundred years there will likely be no trace the whites were ever in Africa. The cities will be no more, and in most cases the lands will do what they always do, swallow up everything. The jungles and grass land will reclaim the roads, the houses, and farms. The rest will rust away or be carted away by the blacks. In the end there may be some rubble but not much more.
That is close as I can come to what was said.
Originally Posted By Shockergd:
Makes you wonder where it will be in 100yrs............
It's scary to look at pictures from 40-50yrs ago of africa...Very modern areas , now it's like mad max.
Makes you wonder where it will be in 100yrs............
It's scary to look at pictures from 40-50yrs ago of africa...Very modern areas , now it's like mad max.
I was at a hunting trade show in So California about 8 years ago and spoke to a Rep from Safari Club, originally from a formerly prosperous African nation that is now a Mad Maxesque Shit-Hole.
From memory,
In a hundred years there will likely be no trace the whites were ever in Africa. The cities will be no more, and in most cases the lands will do what they always do, swallow up everything. The jungles and grass land will reclaim the roads, the houses, and farms. The rest will rust away or be carted away by the blacks. In the end there may be some rubble but not much more.
That is close as I can come to what was said.
But would that be so bad?
Only if several hundreds years of struggle, strife, blood-shed, that led to the cities, road, and farms being built was nothing special. But if the advancements that were made in farming and trade that allowed for several of the White Dominated Nations to produce enough food to feed their populations were something meaningful and noteworthy, yeah it would suck.
Image a history class in a 100 years were students are being showed pictures of Rhodesian circa 1968 where there are cities, farmlands, and lectures on the farming capabilities of Rhodesia then a current satellite image of .......nothing.
5/30/2009 7:49:43 PM
Originally Posted By Alien:
I remember Swindle1984's description of them and everybody's "uhh wat?" response haha!
Originally Posted By InjunJoe:
They were some bad mofos.
http://selousscouts.tripod.com/ss41.jpg http://selousscouts.tripod.com/scoutpic.jpg
Originally Posted By Beamy:
INSMTSS
in before somebody mentions the SELOUS SCOUTS
INSMTSS
in before somebody mentions the SELOUS SCOUTS
They were some bad mofos.
http://selousscouts.tripod.com/ss41.jpg http://selousscouts.tripod.com/scoutpic.jpg
I remember Swindle1984's description of them and everybody's "uhh wat?
" response haha!
I dont beleive half the stuff I hear about them, but if the other half is true that are still pretty badass.
5/30/2009 7:56:43 PM
Originally Posted By InjunJoe:
I dont beleive half the stuff I hear about them, but if the other half is true that are still pretty badass.
Originally Posted By Alien:
I remember Swindle1984's description of them and everybody's "uhh wat?" response haha!
Originally Posted By InjunJoe:
They were some bad mofos.
http://selousscouts.tripod.com/ss41.jpg http://selousscouts.tripod.com/scoutpic.jpg
Originally Posted By Beamy:
INSMTSS
in before somebody mentions the SELOUS SCOUTS
INSMTSS
in before somebody mentions the SELOUS SCOUTS
They were some bad mofos.
http://selousscouts.tripod.com/ss41.jpg http://selousscouts.tripod.com/scoutpic.jpg
I remember Swindle1984's description of them and everybody's "uhh wat?
" response haha!
I dont beleive half the stuff I hear about them, but if the other half is true that are still pretty badass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs7V_IBQcDg&feature=PlayList&p=EB8D43AA0A20555D&index=8
5/30/2009 8:23:56 PM
we should all become familiar with Rhodesia/Zimbabwe the way our current progressive Govt is going, we are gonna
match it dollar for dollar and life sucking tic for life sucking tic
I spent 15 mo in Rhodesia in 79/80 and saw a beautiful country, based on the American Constitutional Govt, destroyed.
a sad state of affairs.
CHEF
match it dollar for dollar and life sucking tic for life sucking tic
I spent 15 mo in Rhodesia in 79/80 and saw a beautiful country, based on the American Constitutional Govt, destroyed.
a sad state of affairs.
CHEF
5/30/2009 8:24:24 PM
I'm sure many of you here remember the comment Jeff Cooper got when he got a chance to ask one of these guys what had happened & why they hadn't prevailed. He simply resonded, "We ran out of fucking bullets."
This thread is awesome. I have really been interested in Rhodesia, & this has alot of info. So far as I could tell, it was a really awesome country, but of course the multi-culties couldn't allow it to continue to exist.
This thread is awesome. I have really been interested in Rhodesia, & this has alot of info. So far as I could tell, it was a really awesome country, but of course the multi-culties couldn't allow it to continue to exist.
5/30/2009 8:25:15 PM
Originally Posted By DVCAPI:
http://www.memoriesofrhodesia.com/images/art/prints/menmen.jpg
Originally Posted By Spartan24:
Didn't a lot of US Vietnam vets end up going to Rhodesia to fight the insurgency? I have heard there tactics of dropping a stick of paratroopers cutting off insurgents and having another land force move into fight the insurgents was very effective.
Didn't a lot of US Vietnam vets end up going to Rhodesia to fight the insurgency? I have heard there tactics of dropping a stick of paratroopers cutting off insurgents and having another land force move into fight the insurgents was very effective.
http://www.memoriesofrhodesia.com/images/art/prints/menmen.jpg
Was waiting for that because men among men use FALs.
5/30/2009 8:31:02 PM
Found this one on a blog about the place. The guy grew up there.
Old pics of Rhodesia
Alot more pics some guy took while living there
Southern Rhodesia, in the early years of my childhood, was an amazing place to be. Salisbury, at that time, provided my family with a good living, and a wonderful lifestyle.
My earliest memories are of banana trees in the garden; butterflies on pretty flowers; the smiling, black face of Anna - and her sturdy arms; insects, fascinating creatures, to be captured and kept in jars; hot sun, burning the skin on the back of my hands; colours, so bright and vibrant; laughter, there was a lot of it; sounds of night insects; doves cooing in the late evening as they roosted in the trees outside my bedroom window; a rooster crowing, somewhere in a back garden; wall spiders, pressed flat on the walls above the bed - we were never afraid of them; chameleons, changing colours on my hand. These are early impressions, deeply etched in my mind. They lie forgotten most of the time, and then something triggers a memory, and I am transported back to childhood...to sounds and smells that bring comfort.
My days were filled with sunshine, and playing in the garden. I climbed jacaranda trees, right to the top, and sang "I'm the King of the castle, and you're the dirty rascal" at the top of my lungs to anyone passing by. I made roads in the hot sand, and ran my brother's dinky cars along them. I caught camel worms and made them fight with other camel worms. I ran barefoot through the bush, ignoring the warnings that a leopard had been sighted near the river. I played with the children from the compound - ate sweet potatoes cooked by their mothers on an open fire.
The nights were dark, with a music of their own - a haunting melody of insects singing harmonies with owls, and drums. The drums would beat for hours at a time, often way into the night, with a steady rhythm that lulled me to sleep - a comforting sound; reassuring.
There was no television then, and evenings were family time. We - the children - were all bathed and in our pyjamas early in the evening, and we would wait - often impatiently - for dinner to be ready. It was always a huge meal - with loads of vegetables (from the garden), and sometimes, dessert. It was a happy time of day. My parents liked to encourage us to talk about our day, about what we had done. Of course, we couldn't tell them everything ! We couldn't tell them that we'd been down to the Makabusi River and that we'd been swimming naked - again (this was between the ages of 5 and 12 - we were invincible). We couldn't tell them that we had been collecting snakes from the bush near the Maka, and had made a snake pit where we kept them all (also near the Maka). We couldn't tell them of the fires we'd made in the bush, to roast the vegetables we had stolen from the lands on the nearby farm.
An old wireless sat in pride of place on the sideboard. It was turned on every night just before seven. It crackled and whirred. After dinner, the family gathered each evening to hear the news - news from faraway places - always interesting to the grown-ups - but never to me. I had too much to do, too many games to play, pictures to colour, dolls to dress, and eventually books to read. The adult world was far removed from mine.
Weekends were the best time ever. There was always somewhere to go - Mermaids Pool, Mazoe, Lake MacIllwaine - and we usually took meat to braai, with bowls of salads, tins of beans, rolls and fruit. We swam and fished in rivers and dams. People came to tea in those days - usually on Saturday afternoons. Church on Sunday was usually followed by the traditional roast, with all the trimmings. I still don't know why we had such a hot, filling meal - in the middle of the day - in the hot African sun. Visitors often came for Sunday lunch.
I was safe, in a safe world, a magical world; a world of warm days and cool nights, where everything seemed just right.
My earliest memories are of banana trees in the garden; butterflies on pretty flowers; the smiling, black face of Anna - and her sturdy arms; insects, fascinating creatures, to be captured and kept in jars; hot sun, burning the skin on the back of my hands; colours, so bright and vibrant; laughter, there was a lot of it; sounds of night insects; doves cooing in the late evening as they roosted in the trees outside my bedroom window; a rooster crowing, somewhere in a back garden; wall spiders, pressed flat on the walls above the bed - we were never afraid of them; chameleons, changing colours on my hand. These are early impressions, deeply etched in my mind. They lie forgotten most of the time, and then something triggers a memory, and I am transported back to childhood...to sounds and smells that bring comfort.
My days were filled with sunshine, and playing in the garden. I climbed jacaranda trees, right to the top, and sang "I'm the King of the castle, and you're the dirty rascal" at the top of my lungs to anyone passing by. I made roads in the hot sand, and ran my brother's dinky cars along them. I caught camel worms and made them fight with other camel worms. I ran barefoot through the bush, ignoring the warnings that a leopard had been sighted near the river. I played with the children from the compound - ate sweet potatoes cooked by their mothers on an open fire.
The nights were dark, with a music of their own - a haunting melody of insects singing harmonies with owls, and drums. The drums would beat for hours at a time, often way into the night, with a steady rhythm that lulled me to sleep - a comforting sound; reassuring.
There was no television then, and evenings were family time. We - the children - were all bathed and in our pyjamas early in the evening, and we would wait - often impatiently - for dinner to be ready. It was always a huge meal - with loads of vegetables (from the garden), and sometimes, dessert. It was a happy time of day. My parents liked to encourage us to talk about our day, about what we had done. Of course, we couldn't tell them everything ! We couldn't tell them that we'd been down to the Makabusi River and that we'd been swimming naked - again (this was between the ages of 5 and 12 - we were invincible). We couldn't tell them that we had been collecting snakes from the bush near the Maka, and had made a snake pit where we kept them all (also near the Maka). We couldn't tell them of the fires we'd made in the bush, to roast the vegetables we had stolen from the lands on the nearby farm.
An old wireless sat in pride of place on the sideboard. It was turned on every night just before seven. It crackled and whirred. After dinner, the family gathered each evening to hear the news - news from faraway places - always interesting to the grown-ups - but never to me. I had too much to do, too many games to play, pictures to colour, dolls to dress, and eventually books to read. The adult world was far removed from mine.
Weekends were the best time ever. There was always somewhere to go - Mermaids Pool, Mazoe, Lake MacIllwaine - and we usually took meat to braai, with bowls of salads, tins of beans, rolls and fruit. We swam and fished in rivers and dams. People came to tea in those days - usually on Saturday afternoons. Church on Sunday was usually followed by the traditional roast, with all the trimmings. I still don't know why we had such a hot, filling meal - in the middle of the day - in the hot African sun. Visitors often came for Sunday lunch.
I was safe, in a safe world, a magical world; a world of warm days and cool nights, where everything seemed just right.
Old pics of Rhodesia
Alot more pics some guy took while living there
5/30/2009 8:34:38 PM
Originally Posted By Spartan24:
Didn't a lot of US Vietnam vets end up going to Rhodesia to fight the insurgency? I have heard there tactics of dropping a stick of paratroopers cutting off insurgents and having another land force move into fight the insurgents was very effective.
Didn't a lot of US Vietnam vets end up going to Rhodesia to fight the insurgency? I have heard there tactics of dropping a stick of paratroopers cutting off insurgents and having another land force move into fight the insurgents was very effective.
They did....
And that tactic was very effective....
5/30/2009 8:38:05 PM
Originally Posted By USMCTanker:
I met a guy named Tim that was friends with my BIL (interesting fellow he was-married a girl from there, got into a scrap later on in the "80 trying to do a job in Ghana). He had fought there with a few other Americans during the Bush War. He said he couldn't walk into a pub and buy a beer-the locals insisted on picking up the tab. He was a Cpl by the time Mugabe was elected, and was told that "going on leave, for an extended time" might be a good idea. He came back to the states.
He said the insurgant forces were absolute savages. Now they're in chage.
England put the pressure on Rhodesia after Ian Smith declared independence. Why? I have no idea. Communist sympathizers perhaps? Maybe for the same reason we did what we did to SA (remember how the leftist academic community used to whine about "apartheid"?). They took on the brunt of communism during the Cold War and that's how they were rewarded. You can thank the Left in this country for fucking up more than one productive country.
I met a guy named Tim that was friends with my BIL (interesting fellow he was-married a girl from there, got into a scrap later on in the "80 trying to do a job in Ghana). He had fought there with a few other Americans during the Bush War. He said he couldn't walk into a pub and buy a beer-the locals insisted on picking up the tab. He was a Cpl by the time Mugabe was elected, and was told that "going on leave, for an extended time" might be a good idea. He came back to the states.
He said the insurgant forces were absolute savages. Now they're in chage.
England put the pressure on Rhodesia after Ian Smith declared independence. Why? I have no idea. Communist sympathizers perhaps? Maybe for the same reason we did what we did to SA (remember how the leftist academic community used to whine about "apartheid"?). They took on the brunt of communism during the Cold War and that's how they were rewarded. You can thank the Left in this country for fucking up more than one productive country.
As well as Andrew Young, the UN and the Carter Administration.
5/30/2009 8:42:02 PM
Originally Posted By raven:
It was Cecil Rhode's private country, founded back in the late 19th century. It had independence and ruled by a white minority like South Africa. In the 70's, communist black guerrillas began fighting to overthrow the government, and ultimately succeeded in 1979 or so, putting Robert Mugabe in charge and renaming it Zimbabwe. Thiings steadily went downhill from there but has gotten worse in recent years as Mugabe has nationalized private farms that were the basis of the economy because they were owned by white people. They were given to black political supporters who were long on loyalty to Mugabe but short on agricultural skill. The economy started getting bad so the government printed money to pay its bills. Zimbabwe has the highest inflation rate in the world. its money is denominated in the billions and it is worthless. People have resorted to panning for meager amounts of gold to pay for bread baked with imported flour. The foreign press is banned from Zimbawe, the NY Times Nicholas Kristof snuck in there a year or two ago and reported what he saw in his columns, Zimbabwe's neighbors guard their borders to prevent refugees from coming into their countries and becoming a burden.
That's about all I know about Zimbabwe/Rhodesia.
It was Cecil Rhode's private country, founded back in the late 19th century. It had independence and ruled by a white minority like South Africa. In the 70's, communist black guerrillas began fighting to overthrow the government, and ultimately succeeded in 1979 or so, putting Robert Mugabe in charge and renaming it Zimbabwe. Thiings steadily went downhill from there but has gotten worse in recent years as Mugabe has nationalized private farms that were the basis of the economy because they were owned by white people. They were given to black political supporters who were long on loyalty to Mugabe but short on agricultural skill. The economy started getting bad so the government printed money to pay its bills. Zimbabwe has the highest inflation rate in the world. its money is denominated in the billions and it is worthless. People have resorted to panning for meager amounts of gold to pay for bread baked with imported flour. The foreign press is banned from Zimbawe, the NY Times Nicholas Kristof snuck in there a year or two ago and reported what he saw in his columns, Zimbabwe's neighbors guard their borders to prevent refugees from coming into their countries and becoming a burden.
That's about all I know about Zimbabwe/Rhodesia.
Don't forget the systemic campaign of rape, murder, and torture by Mugabe's militias in order to terrorize the whites into giving up their land. Starve fuckers.
5/30/2009 8:53:23 PM
Originally Posted By Merrell:
Will we get to pick a cool tribal-sounding name to replace America?
Barry is well on his way to pulling the biggest Mugabe in history, economically at least.
Will we get to pick a cool tribal-sounding name to replace America?
Barry is well on his way to pulling the biggest Mugabe in history, economically at least.
He'll call it Zimbongowe.
