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 Tons (I'm not lying) of pictures of wrecked/disabled/destroyed and/or abandonded Abrams tanks.
hondaciv  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 4:40:29 PM
Found these pictures. I don't know the story behind any of them, or the fate of their crews. It bothers me to see our stuff wrecked in battle.

























































pbaeod  [Member]
3/4/2009 4:50:32 PM
None of those probably lost the crew they did their job served their purpose. The one with the wrecker attached to it and the news crew on top is the same the tank was called CAJON EH. It was disabled at objective Moe. The crew transfered to another track the once a UAV spotted the IA trying to retrieve it with a wrecker. The wrecker in question was properly vaporized with a LGBU. For all the dumbasses standing around those burnt up bitches. All I can say is breathe deep Motherfuckers Breathe real deep.
patriot03  [Member]
3/4/2009 4:51:34 PM
I hope all those idiots climbing around on them know what depleted uranium is.......
terrafirma  [Member]
3/4/2009 4:52:48 PM
what kind of munitions can take out our tanks? large IED's? RPG's?
metalhed556  [Member]
3/4/2009 4:54:44 PM
Originally Posted By patriot03:
I hope all those idiots climbing around on them know what depleted uranium is.......





give them a few years

glockfan45  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 4:54:45 PM

Originally Posted By terrafirma:
what kind of munitions can take out our tanks? large IED's? RPG's?


IEDs.

A 500lb aircraft bomb is gonna stop just about anything.
Dracster  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 4:55:39 PM
It's war and the bad guy shoots anything and everything at you. The bigger the target you are, the more shit gets shot at you.

Some of those are mobility kills that we destroyed ourselves ("Cojones"). Others, well, daisy-chained 152s and aircraft bombs will put a hurt on most anything.
TheGrayMan  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 4:57:32 PM
An appropriately sized/designed IED can disable a tank. Unless you know what you're doing, they're pretty hard to knock out.
ragedracer1977  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 4:57:39 PM

Originally Posted By terrafirma:
what kind of munitions can take out our tanks? large IED's? RPG's?

IDK,

But one of the pics clearly shows a high velocity AP impact.
FunYun1983  [Member]
3/4/2009 4:59:45 PM
Originally Posted By terrafirma:
what kind of munitions can take out our tanks? large IED's? RPG's?


They are not usually 'take out' but disabled.

We destroy them if we cannot keep continual control of them. In other words, if a tank gets a track blown off and we don’t have a recovery vehicle available for it, we blow it up. If we don’t get it, no one does.
Orygunxj  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 4:59:46 PM
Damn what the fuck hit pic #12 that is some crazy shit.
pbaeod  [Member]
3/4/2009 5:00:59 PM
COJON EH took an RPG to the engine it was during the invasion during the first bull run. I know because I drove by it when it was still burning. From the Aircraft strike. Most of the time M1s laugh at IED's. I have seen those bitches soak up the biggest EFP's you can imagine, well probably bigger than most people would think. The crater next to the tank with the news crew on top of it from a MK 82.
FunYun1983  [Member]
3/4/2009 5:02:54 PM
Originally Posted By Orygunxj:
Damn what the fuck hit pic #12 that is some crazy shit.


IIRC, an IED disabled it, another Abrams put APFSDS in the side, and Hellfire hit the front.
JustaGunNut  [Member]
3/4/2009 5:03:13 PM
Looks like there were some penetrations of some sort on a few.
87GN  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:03:46 PM
Originally Posted By ragedracer1977:

Originally Posted By terrafirma:
what kind of munitions can take out our tanks? large IED's? RPG's?

IDK,

But one of the pics clearly shows a high velocity AP impact.


Some sort of RPG-19000 with a super fancy copper projectile or something...can't remember.

Only fatalities I know of personally in an Abrams were 4 Marines that drowned when their Abrams rolled off a narrow bridge crossing a small canal at night.
Orygunxj  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:04:33 PM
Originally Posted By FunYun1983:
Originally Posted By Orygunxj:
Damn what the fuck hit pic #12 that is some crazy shit.


IIRC, an IED disabled it, another Abrams put APFSDS in the side, and Hellfire hit the front.


Ok that would make sense.
daemon734  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:04:58 PM
Originally Posted By terrafirma:
what kind of munitions can take out our tanks? large IED's? RPG's?


you would be surprised.
DPeacher  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:05:49 PM
Originally Posted By Orygunxj:
Damn what the fuck hit pic #12 that is some crazy shit.


#16 too.
87GN  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:07:32 PM
Originally Posted By terrafirma:
what kind of munitions can take out our tanks? large IED's? RPG's?


Imagine a big culvert below a highway, stuffed with 500lb+bombs, or (huge) propane tanks filled with explosives, then filled in on the sides to contain the explosion...

I think one that EOD discovered and disarmed was an anti ship missile, but I could be wrong.
meszues  [Member]
3/4/2009 5:07:33 PM
what are those large coiled rope looking objects on the rear
Orygunxj  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:08:26 PM
I would think it has to be hard on the moral when you see things like that in person. I know it is for me just seeing pics.
87GN  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:08:28 PM
Originally Posted By meszues:
what are those large coiled rope looking objects on the rear


concertina wire
Orygunxj  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:09:07 PM
Originally Posted By meszues:
what are those large coiled rope looking objects on the rear


Nope i am wrong.
daemon734  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:09:34 PM
Originally Posted By meszues:
what are those large coiled rope looking objects on the rear


C-wire held on by tow bars.
daemon734  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:09:34 PM
Originally Posted By Orygunxj:
Originally Posted By meszues:
what are those large coiled rope looking objects on the rear


Tow cables i believe.


no, tow cables are hooked into the sides of the turret.
skeeters65  [Member]
3/4/2009 5:10:04 PM
thats alot of money right there.. But if it did what you guys said it did and saved our boys.. Who cares..
badfish274  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:10:24 PM

Originally Posted By ragedracer1977:

Originally Posted By terrafirma:
what kind of munitions can take out our tanks? large IED's? RPG's?

IDK,

But one of the pics clearly shows a high velocity AP impact.

Yep, right through the toughest part, too.
marksman121  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:12:02 PM
Originally Posted By patriot03:
I hope all those idiots climbing around on them know what depleted uranium is.......


That's why he is wearing the Tyvek suit and mask. Its only dangerous if it is inhaled. It has less radiation than a slab of granite.

That big frontal hit looks more like a HEAT blast than a sabot hit. Most look like they had the fuel tank hit and burned. Do they just let them burn out of do they go back and foam it?
Mal_means_bad  [Member]
3/4/2009 5:12:14 PM
#19, IIRC, was an IED consisting of three 122mm shells daisy chained and buried in an elevated roadway. The Abrams was flipped over and the turret separated. Don't recall if there were fatalities, but at least some of the crew survived.
xmikex  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:13:29 PM
The Russian-made RPG-29 may have caused that damage in Pic12.


fxntime  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:13:52 PM
Originally Posted By meszues:
what are those large coiled rope looking objects on the rear


Looks like concertino wire.

daemon734  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:13:56 PM
Originally Posted By patriot03:
I hope all those idiots climbing around on them know what depleted uranium is.......



in the past several years no tanks have rolled in theater with DU sabots, only HEAT and CAN rounds.

happycynic  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:14:18 PM
Mass RPGs can sometimes set them on fire and then the fire gets out of control, in addition to the things listed above. Lots of stuff can kill a tank in a close urban setting. Always been that way. In WWII more Shermans were taken out with mines and AT missiles than by Nazi tanks.
daemon734  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:16:17 PM
Originally Posted By marksman121:
Originally Posted By patriot03:
I hope all those idiots climbing around on them know what depleted uranium is.......


That's why he is wearing the Tyvek suit and mask. Its only dangerous if it is inhaled. It has less radiation than a slab of granite.

That big frontal hit looks more like a HEAT blast than a sabot hit. Most look like they had the fuel tank hit and burned. Do they just let them burn out of do they go back and foam it?


right, the real damage from DU is the same from inhaling the particles from a tungsten round, heavy metal poisoning.
SonOfNorway  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:16:29 PM
Originally Posted By metalhed556:
Originally Posted By patriot03:
I hope all those idiots climbing around on them know what depleted uranium is.......





give them a few years





Silence  [Member]
3/4/2009 5:17:13 PM
Originally Posted By marksman121:
Originally Posted By patriot03:
I hope all those idiots climbing around on them know what depleted uranium is.......


That's why he is wearing the Tyvek suit and mask. Its only dangerous if it is inhaled. It has less radiation than a slab of granite.

That big frontal hit looks more like a HEAT blast than a sabot hit. Most look like they had the fuel tank hit and burned. Do they just let them burn out of do they go back and foam it?


Yeap.

The residue from the burned propellants, paint, and wiring is probably worse for you than any DU.
Mal_means_bad  [Member]
3/4/2009 5:17:34 PM
ETA: Double tap
Mal_means_bad  [Member]
3/4/2009 5:18:24 PM
ETA: Triple Tap
replicators  [Member]
3/4/2009 5:18:40 PM
Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
#19, IIRC, was an IED consisting of three 122mm shells daisy chained and buried in an elevated roadway. The Abrams was flipped over and the turret separated. Don't recall if there were fatalities, but at least some of the crew survived.


That must have been an enormous amount of energy released to be able to flip an Abrams.
I didn't realize that a 122mm shell had that kind of potential energy in it.
daemon734  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:19:24 PM
Originally Posted By happycynic:
Mass RPGs can sometimes set them on fire and then the fire gets out of control, in addition to the things listed above. Lots of stuff can kill a tank in a close urban setting. Always been that way. In WWII more Shermans were taken out with mines and AT missiles than by Nazi tanks.


an abrams might be able to survive a direct blast from an italian AT mine as only a mobility kill, but the shockwave through the vehicle can still fuck up the crew. being jolted a short distance at very high speeds can rip apart tendons and muscles pretty easily. as a former abrams crewmember in Iraq I have seen enough to never let my guard down because of the level of armament I ride with.

an EFP may or may not penetrate but spall will kill you just the same.
GrIlLa  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:19:40 PM
How bout the Russian caption on the one pic, a little case study for the ruskies?
87GN  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:20:21 PM
Originally Posted By replicators:
Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
#19, IIRC, was an IED consisting of three 122mm shells daisy chained and buried in an elevated roadway. The Abrams was flipped over and the turret separated. Don't recall if there were fatalities, but at least some of the crew survived.


That must have been an enormous amount of energy released to be able to flip an Abrams.
I didn't realize that a 122mm shell had that kind of potential energy in it.


Properly contained, and at the right spot, and if the tank was at the proper angle to the device...
marksman121  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:24:43 PM
Do they try to go back and fight the fires after the shooting stops or do they just let the fuel burnout?
Dave_A  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:28:35 PM
Originally Posted By ragedracer1977:

Originally Posted By terrafirma:
what kind of munitions can take out our tanks? large IED's? RPG's?

IDK,

But one of the pics clearly shows a high velocity AP impact.


Nope... The turret-ejected tank was hit by a large IED.
vpost35  [Member]
3/4/2009 5:30:17 PM
#19 was from 2BDE 4ID, It was more like 5 155mm and a couple hundred pounds of fertilizer, IIRC three fatalities. The #1 skirt was found 200 meters or so from the site. Happened late 2003.

Vince
Wobblin-Goblin  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:30:19 PM
That nice, clean, round hole in the front of the turret better be from our own weaponry. Dayum. That's nasty.
Joe357  [Member]
3/4/2009 5:31:40 PM
I bet every single disabled Abrams with DU armor was deemed recoverable & sent home for $1millions worth of TLC. Like so: Extreme Engineering (2/7) - M1 Abrams tank -youtube.com
marksman121  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:31:44 PM
Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
That nice, clean, round hole in the front of the turret better be from our own weaponry. Dayum. That's nasty.


That was a Hellfire that did not make it through IIRC.
NataSS  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:31:49 PM
Originally Posted By daemon734:
Originally Posted By happycynic:
Mass RPGs can sometimes set them on fire and then the fire gets out of control, in addition to the things listed above. Lots of stuff can kill a tank in a close urban setting. Always been that way. In WWII more Shermans were taken out with mines and AT missiles than by Nazi tanks.


an abrams might be able to survive a direct blast from an italian AT mine as only a mobility kill, but the shockwave through the vehicle can still fuck up the crew. being jolted a short distance at very high speeds can rip apart tendons and muscles pretty easily. as a former abrams crewmember in Iraq I have seen enough to never let my guard down because of the level of armament I ride with.

an EFP may or may not penetrate but spall will kill you just the same.


I spent 6 years as a TC with the USMC and you can NEVER fall into the mental trap of thinking "Hey, I am in a tank, I am safe". I was on the I&I staff that trained Co C 4th TK BN. I ended up getting out of the Corps right before the shit storm hit. I heard a few months later that one my reservists was killed (he was the loader) from an IED blast. The gunners back was broken from the shock wave, the TC (who I knew personally) lost both his legs becuase thebones were damaged beyond repair and luckily the driver made it out unharmed minus hearing loss.

The M1A1 is a bad ass piece of gear. But it is much beter off in an open environment. Taking hogs into the streets of a town is asking for trouble IMHO.

Cypher214  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:37:26 PM
I'm sure the other side loves using pictures like these as propaganda... never mind the fact that most of the damage was done by us taking out our own tanks after they've been disabled.
dravisar  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 5:40:46 PM
IIRC there was a story about GW1, where an abrams was disabled/stuck and they didn't have the time or means to recover it. They fired a few SABOT rounds at it, and after failing to completely penetrate the armor and destroy it, finally said screw it and recovered it.

Anyone have a link or know the story?