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evo462  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 1:55:05 PM
I always get the 48lb Iams Large Breed bags of dogfood at Costco, which generally run in the $36-38 range (already much cheaper than Walmart or other chain pet stores). They're running a deal at my store (I would assume nationwide as well) for an $8 instant rebate on the Iams dog food. $37.99-$8.00 = under $30 for nearly 50lbs of Iams.

I have two dogs and go through a 48lb bag every 3-4 weeks. Needless to say, I'm buying several bags.
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webtaz99  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 2:12:29 PM
"Welcome to Costco. I love you."
bps10  [Member]
12/3/2008 2:29:03 PM
Iams = Ol' Roy. Get your dog some better food. They are both corn and by-product based. The EVO brand is great.

ETA: I use 40 lbs. a week
AJTurner1234  [Member]
12/3/2008 2:45:58 PM
Originally Posted By bps10:
Iams = Ol' Roy. Get your dog some better food. They are both corn and by-product based. The EVO brand is great.

ETA: I use 40 lbs. a week




If you think Iams = Ol' Roy then here is some more math for you....

You = FAIL
bps10  [Member]
12/3/2008 3:07:37 PM
Originally Posted By AJTurner1234:
Originally Posted By bps10:
Iams = Ol' Roy. Get your dog some better food. They are both corn and by-product based. The EVO brand is great.

ETA: I use 40 lbs. a week





If you think Iams = Ol' Roy then here is some more math for you....

You = FAIL


Please tell?
Iams does use chicken by-products, not poultry like Ol' Roy. If you can read a label you see that both are corn and by-product based. Iams is not what is was back in the good ol' days. Any foods with those two ingredients are mostly filler. Any brand that uses Brewers rice, such as Iams, is also using filler. Brewers rice is the waste pulp from Bud and contains little nutrional value.

The following foods all have corn and by-products in the first 5 ingredients: Iams, Pro Plan, Eukanuba, Purina One, Dog Chow, Science Diet, Pedegree and Ol' Roy. I would use Iams over any Purina product because of the animal digest that Purina uses( it is worse than what you are thinking.)


zuuk  [Member]
12/3/2008 4:16:25 PM
My dog eats leftover steak, chicken, pork, ribs, or bacon with a cup per day of Nutro lamb meal & rice. He don't like the veggies, but who can blame him.
olwen  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 4:17:56 PM
Originally Posted By bps10:
Iams = Ol' Roy. Get your dog some better food. They are both corn and by-product based. The EVO brand is great.

ETA: I use 40 lbs. a week


iams is not good dog food. corn sucks for dogs.

get the costco brand dog food, it is about the same price or a little more, and MUCH better.

Jace  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 4:18:22 PM
My Great Danes eat Eagle Pack. $43 for a 33lb bag. Needless to say, I use several bags a month.
XDBACKUPGUN  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 4:20:20 PM
Iams Large Breed Dog
Ingredients
Chicken, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken By-Product Meal (Natural source of Glucosamine), Ground Whole Grain Barley, Dried Beet Pulp, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Dried Egg Product, Fish Meal, Chicken Flavor, Potassium Chloride, Brewers Dried Yeast, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Flax Meal, Caramel, Choline Chloride, Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), Dried Chicken Cartilage (Natural source of Glucosamine), Calcium Carbonate, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), DL-Methionine, L-Tryptophan, Rosemary Extract.
XDBACKUPGUN  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 4:30:26 PM
Originally Posted By olwen:
Originally Posted By bps10:
Iams = Ol' Roy. Get your dog some better food. They are both corn and by-product based. The EVO brand is great.

ETA: I use 40 lbs. a week


iams is not good dog food. corn sucks for dogs.

get the costco brand dog food, it is about the same price or a little more, and MUCH better.





Kirkland Dog Food is made by Diamond


Diamond Original
Ingredients
Meat meal, ground corn, wheat flour, poultry by-product meal, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), beet pulp, fish meal, natural chicken flavor, vitamins, minerals and chelated minerals.

Diamond
Premium Adult Formula for Dogs
Ingredients
Chicken by-product meal, whole grain ground corn, wheat flour, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), brewers rice, beet pulp, egg product, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, fish meal. Vitamins, minerals and chelated minerals.
olwen  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 5:09:50 PM
Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
Originally Posted By olwen:
Originally Posted By bps10:
Iams = Ol' Roy. Get your dog some better food. They are both corn and by-product based. The EVO brand is great.

ETA: I use 40 lbs. a week


iams is not good dog food. corn sucks for dogs.

get the costco brand dog food, it is about the same price or a little more, and MUCH better.





Kirkland Dog Food is made by Diamond


Diamond Original
Ingredients
Meat meal, ground corn, wheat flour, poultry by-product meal, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), beet pulp, fish meal, natural chicken flavor, vitamins, minerals and chelated minerals.

Diamond
Premium Adult Formula for Dogs
Ingredients
Chicken by-product meal, whole grain ground corn, wheat flour, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), brewers rice, beet pulp, egg product, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, fish meal. Vitamins, minerals and chelated minerals.


you have your ingredient list incorrect. either that, or the dog food you are thinking of is not the same thing i am thinking of.

olwen  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 5:14:36 PM
here is an older ingredient list for kirkland lamb and rice dog food. iirc, it is the same as what i buy today, but i won't guarantee that. in essence it should be the same.

Lamb, Lamb meal, whole grain brown rice, rice flour, white rice, egg product, cracked pearled barley, chicken fat (preserved witn mixed tocoperols and Vitamine E), beet pulp, potatoes, fishmeal, flaxseed, natural flavor, milet, brewers dried yest, carrots, peas, choline chloride, rosemary extract, parsley flake, dried chicory root, glucosamine hydrochloride, taurine, vitamin E suppliment, iron proteinate, copper proteninate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteniate, manganous oxide, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), Vitamin B12 supplement, menadione sodium bivulfite (source of vitamin K activity), riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid


note no corn product, and lamb and lamb meal being the two largest ingredients.


edit- and the chicken dog food is much the same.- a pretty good dog food.

they used to sell this for less than $20, before the dog food/ melamine poisoning episode. I noticed soon after that the prices started to rise, and they are now i think 24 or 25 for the lamb and rice dog food per bag. I think it is a good dog food for the price, especially when you compare to the price for innova, canidae, solid gold, flint river ranch, etc.



Wolfpack  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 5:30:19 PM
Originally Posted By Jace:
My Great Danes eat Eagle Pack. $43 for a 33lb bag. Needless to say, I use several bags a month.


I used to use Eagle Pack but it got too expensive after a few years and I stopped. I grew my Akita on it from day one till he was 2 and he is HUGE. I attribute it to the food he was raised on.
jnojr  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 5:34:39 PM
Originally Posted By bps10:
Iams = Ol' Roy


Iams is better than Ol' Roy. But it's still lousy food, too.

Dog Food Report Card

Start with a Score of 100:

1. For every listing of "by-product", subtract 10 points for being sketchy!
2. For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal or fat) reference, subtract 10 points for being sketchy!
3. If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points
4. For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source,subtract 5 points for being sketchy!
5. If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five ingredients (i.e. "ground brown rice", "brewer's rice", "rice flour" are all the same grain), subtract 5 points
6. If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 meats in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points
7. If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 3 points
8. If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3 points
9. If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points
10. If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil,subtract 2 points
11. If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is allergic to other protein sources), subtract 2 points
12. If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points
13. If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to wheat), subtract 2 points
14. If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to beef), subtract 1 point
15. If it contains salt, subtract 1 point

Extra Credit:

1. If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points
2. If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or nutritionist, add 5 points
3. If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points
4. If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points
5. If the food contains fruit, add 3 points
6. If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points
7. If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points
8. If the food contains barley, add 2 points
9. If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2 points
10. If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point
11. If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point
12. For every different specific animal protein source (other than the first one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein source, but "chicken" and "beef" as 2 different sources), add 1 point
13. If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point
14. If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide-free, add 1 point

Grading:

* 94-100+ = A
* 86-93 = B
* 78-85 = C
* 70-77 = D
* 69 = F


ALPHABETICAL ORDER:

Authority Harvest Baked / Score 116 A+
Bil-Jac Select / Score 68 F
Canidae / Score 112 A+
Chicken Soup Senior / Score 115 A+
Diamond Maintenance / Score 64 F
Diamond Lamb Meal & Rice / Score 92 B
Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula / Score 99 A
Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium / Score 122 A+
Dick Van Patten's Duck and Potato / Score 106 A+
Eagle Pack Holistic / Score 119 A+
Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken / Score 114 A+
Eagle Pack Large and Giant Breed Puppy / Score 94 A
Eagle Pack Natural / Score 94 A
Eukanuba Large Breed Adult / Score 83 C
Eukanuba Natural Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B
Flint River Ranch / Score 92 B (non-specific fat source)
Foundations / Score 106 A+
Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold / Score 93 A
Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium / Score 73 D
Iams Large Breed / Score 83 C
Innova Dog / Score 114 A+
Innova Evo / Score 114 A+
Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+
Kirkland Signature Puppy Chicken, Rice and Vegetable / Score 108 A+
Natural Balance Duck and Potato / Score 114 A+
Nutrisource Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B
Nutro Chicken, Rice, & Oatmeal / Score 85 C (non-specific fat source)
Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy / Score 87 B
Nutro Natural choice Lamb and Rice / Score 85 C
Ol Roy / Score 9 F
Pedigree Complete Nutrition / Score 42 F
Pedigree Adult Complete / Score 14 F
Pet Gold Adult with Lamb & Rice / Score 23 F
Pro Plan All Breed / Score 68 F
Pro Plan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+
Purina Benful / Score 17 F
Purina Dog / Score 62 F
Purina Come-n-Get It / Score 16 F
Royal Canin Bulldog / Score 100 A+
Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult / Score 106 A+
Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice / Score 97 A
Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ / Score 63 F
Science Diet chicken adult maintenance / Score 45 F
Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies / Score 69 F
Solid Gold Bison / Score 123 A+
Timberwolf Organics Lamb and Venison / Score 136 A+
Wellness Super5 Mix Chicken / Score 110 A+
Wolfking Adult Dog (Bison) by Solid Gold / Score 97 A
walther1978  [Member]
12/3/2008 5:38:58 PM
Originally Posted By olwen:
Originally Posted By bps10:
Iams = Ol' Roy. Get your dog some better food. They are both corn and by-product based. The EVO brand is great.

ETA: I use 40 lbs. a week


iams is not good dog food. corn sucks for dogs.

get the costco brand dog food, it is about the same price or a little more, and MUCH better.





Yes the COSTCO brand (KIRKLAND) dog food is pretty high up on the ranks of quality. I go through a 40lb bag a week with a 70lb lab and a 130lb shepherd.

I usually buy a month's worth at a time and yesterday they were running around $21.99 per 40lbs.

First 2 ingredients are Chicken and Chicken meal. Also has chicken fat, whole grain brown rice, barley, veggies, vitamins and no bad preservatives.
evo462  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 5:41:07 PM
Well ok then. Didn't realize Iams was "crap".
mi650  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 5:45:27 PM
Originally Posted By evo462:
I always get the 48lb Iams Large Breed bags of dogfood at Costco, which generally run in the $36-38 range (already much cheaper than Walmart or other chain pet stores). They're running a deal at my store (I would assume nationwide as well) for an $8 instant rebate on the Iams dog food. $37.99-$8.00 = under $30 for nearly 50lbs of Iams.

I have two dogs and go through a 48lb bag every 3-4 weeks. Needless to say, I'm buying several bags.



I got the same deal at PetSmart Sunday. Wish I would have bought more then 2.

MrMojoRising  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 5:49:39 PM
Originally Posted By jnojr:
....edit....





That chart looks like the AR chart. Something put together by one group to disparage another based on random values. Some of the info there may be important but just as much of it is "our food is the best, everything else isn't" marketing.
bulldog1967  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 5:49:42 PM
Canidae / Score 112 A+

Thats what my girls eat!

bulldog1967  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 5:50:15 PM
Originally Posted By MrMojoRising:
Originally Posted By jnojr:
....edit....





That chart looks like the AR chart. Something put together by one group to disparage another based on random values. Some of the info there may be important but just as much of it is "our food is the best, everything else isn't" marketing.


Hardly. It is based on science and nutrition.
olwen  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 5:53:15 PM
Originally Posted By jnojr:

Extra Credit:

1. If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points
2. If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or nutritionist, add 5 points
3. If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points


some crappy extra credit points right there.

dphill  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 5:57:16 PM
Eagle Pack is the only dog food I will feed my dogs.
MrMojoRising  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 6:01:34 PM
Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
Originally Posted By MrMojoRising:
Originally Posted By jnojr:
....edit....





That chart looks like the AR chart. Something put together by one group to disparage another based on random values. Some of the info there may be important but just as much of it is "our food is the best, everything else isn't" marketing.


Hardly. It is based on science and nutrition.



Right.

Science and nutrition hand picked that agrees with a certain group's theory.

I'm all for giving pets high quality food but some of the things in that list are questionable at best.
Jace  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 6:09:35 PM
Originally Posted By Wolfpack:
Originally Posted By Jace:
My Great Danes eat Eagle Pack. $43 for a 33lb bag. Needless to say, I use several bags a month.


I used to use Eagle Pack but it got too expensive after a few years and I stopped. I grew my Akita on it from day one till he was 2 and he is HUGE. I attribute it to the food he was raised on.


It gets expensive, especially for two Danes. They both seem to like it, and they are growing as they should!
rob78  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 6:17:33 PM
A good quality dog food that doesn'tcost an arm and a leg is...

Maxximum Lamb and Rice adult formula


Great stuff, no fillers. I beleive it's manufactured for Wal-Mart stores.


I used to buy Iams Green Bag, but now my mutts eat Maxximum.

Look into it. Really good stuff doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg.

Cattitude  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 6:27:49 PM
Originally Posted By MrMojoRising:
Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
Originally Posted By MrMojoRising:
Originally Posted By jnojr:
....edit....





That chart looks like the AR chart. Something put together by one group to disparage another based on random values. Some of the info there may be important but just as much of it is "our food is the best, everything else isn't" marketing.


Hardly. It is based on science and nutrition.



Right.

Science and nutrition hand picked that agrees with a certain group's theory.

I'm all for giving pets high quality food but some of the things in that list are questionable at best.
Exactly. As a veterinarian, while it does make a few good pints, I think the grading system is mostly bunk.

I heard of someone (a veterinary nutritionist) using that system to get an A+ for a home-made diet had no nutritional value and was not balanced, I cannot remember exactly they used.

There a lot of good foods on the market, and a lot of crappy foods. I tell my clients to feed the diet their dog does the best on. That means: shiny coat, lean body condition, small stool volume (firm stools), etc. I recommend they stay away from foods that have artificial preservatives and colors, sugar, or unidentified meat.

There is nothing wring with meat by-products, they actually have a lot of nutritional value. Just not in the first 1-2 ingredients because that can lead to inconsistencies between batches. There is nothing wrong with corn, it is a high quality, highly digestible protein.

Having said that, I have in the past fed IAMs without problems. I currently feed Innova Senior.

WinstonXL  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 6:36:56 PM
I have tried several different types of dog foods over the years and both my black lab and basset hound seemed to do the best with Innova EVO. Yeah its a little more expensive then some others but the basset's stomach problems and the labs skin problems are a thing of the past.
Mike
jnojr  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 6:39:57 PM
Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
Canidae / Score 112 A+

Thats what my girls eat!


Canidae changed their formula recently. They went to more filler, less good stuff.

I used to feed Canidae, but have switched to Wellness CORE. Stuff ain't cheap, but my dog has lost about 4 lbs. She used to be a little sausagy-like at the hindquarters. Now, there's obvious definition from the ribcage back to the hips.
bulldog1967  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 6:42:18 PM
Originally Posted By jnojr:
Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
Canidae / Score 112 A+

Thats what my girls eat!


Canidae changed their formula recently. They went to more filler, less good stuff.

I used to feed Canidae, but have switched to Wellness CORE. Stuff ain't cheap, but my dog has lost about 4 lbs. She used to be a little sausagy-like at the hindquarters. Now, there's obvious definition from the ribcage back to the hips.


Good to know, I'll look into that. Thanks.
evo462  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 7:22:23 PM
Originally Posted By rob78:
A good quality dog food that doesn'tcost an arm and a leg is...

Maxximum Lamb and Rice adult formula


Great stuff, no fillers. I beleive it's manufactured for Wal-Mart stores.


I used to buy Iams Green Bag, but now my mutts eat Maxximum.

Look into it. Really good stuff doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg.



Good info, I'll check into it. I've been feeding my older dog Iams large breed for nearly 6 years. Both my dogs eat it.
Supra_MK3  [Member]
12/3/2008 7:39:59 PM
IAMS is horrible stuff for your dog to eat. We tried it on our dog a couple weeks ago (without realizing how crappy it is), and he was shitting massive turds 4 times a day. Went to a more healthy brand and he's fine now.
evo462  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 7:46:51 PM
Originally Posted By Supra_MK3:
IAMS is horrible stuff for your dog to eat. We tried it on our dog a couple weeks ago (without realizing how crappy it is), and he was shitting massive turds 4 times a day. Went to a more healthy brand and he's fine now.


Ha! Both my dogs shit like it's going out of style - I just assumed it's because they eat a lot.
Jeeper21  [Member]
12/3/2008 8:17:46 PM
I used to feed my dog Iams/Nutro until the pet food scare, after which I started doing some research into better quality brands and now use Natura (Innova/Evo labels.) It made a very noticeable difference on my dogs general health, shes alot more active and a much happier dog. You cant tell shes 9 years old by the way she acts and how trim & muscular she is.

I feed her a mix of dry innova (senior) and various evo canned foods (venison/duck/beef&chicken/rabbit), she goes absolutely nuts when it comes time for feeding, I've never had her get so excited over food before.

Only con is the cost of feeding, but when I consider how much I spend on food for myself, its really a drop in the bucket in contrast and a HUGE benefit to my dogs well being.
jnojr  [Team Member]
12/3/2008 10:38:08 PM
Originally Posted By evo462:
Originally Posted By Supra_MK3:
IAMS is horrible stuff for your dog to eat. We tried it on our dog a couple weeks ago (without realizing how crappy it is), and he was shitting massive turds 4 times a day. Went to a more healthy brand and he's fine now.


Ha! Both my dogs shit like it's going out of style - I just assumed it's because they eat a lot.


All of that shit is because of all of the indigestible crap in a lot of crappy foods. The better the food, the less the dog poops, and the firmer the stools are.

Crappy food doesn't just make dogs fat, though. I pointed out in another thread that it's like us eating fast food all of the time... sure, it fills our bellies and lets us get through our day, but it also increases cholesterol, hardens arteries, doesn't give us all the energy a proper diet would, etc. Good food just makes life better, and the same goes for dogs.
evo462  [Team Member]
12/4/2008 12:07:59 AM
Maybe I should start a new thread - but without all the BS - what is "good food" that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. I'll call the vet, but I'm sure they'll refer me to whatever they stock for big bucks that they deem the best.
rob78  [Team Member]
12/4/2008 9:45:56 AM
Originally Posted By evo462:
Maybe I should start a new thread - but without all the BS - what is "good food" that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. I'll call the vet, but I'm sure they'll refer me to whatever they stock for big bucks that they deem the best.



Guess what our vets carry? Science Diet and Eukanuba (essentially Iams with a bigger price tag). Guess what they recommend? SD and Eukanuba.

Do a little Googling on Maxximum Lamb and Rice formula. I was genuinely surprised at the glowing reports I was reading from consumers and veterinarians alike.
DzlBenz  [Team Member]
12/4/2008 9:53:50 AM
I've done a fair amount of work in a few pet food plants. They're all quite clean, but I can say objectively that the ones that produce the "A+" brands in the list above are FAR cleaner and better-maintained than the garden-variety plants. The measures they go to to ensure quality and sanitation are fantastic.
olwen  [Team Member]
12/7/2008 5:06:33 PM
Originally Posted By Cattitude:

good foods on the market, and a lot of crappy foods. I tell my clients to feed the diet their dog does the best on. That means: shiny coat, lean body condition, small stool volume (firm stools), etc. I recommend they stay away from foods that have artificial preservatives and colors, sugar, or unidentified meat.

There is nothing wring with meat by-products, they actually have a lot of nutritional value. Just not in the first 1-2 ingredients because that can lead to inconsistencies between batches. There is nothing wrong with corn, it is a high quality, highly digestible protein.

Having said that, I have in the past fed IAMs without problems. I currently feed Innova Senior.



you are a vet, and you think corn is good for dogs?



MillerSHO  [Member]
12/7/2008 5:09:07 PM
I've tried A and B class dog food, my dog has a hard time eating it, it just doesn't taste good to her.
FishKepr  [Team Member]
12/7/2008 5:13:32 PM
Try reading the labels of the food you guys feed your kids....
jnojr  [Team Member]
12/7/2008 5:40:30 PM
Originally Posted By rob78:


Guess what our vets carry? Science Diet and Eukanuba (essentially Iams with a bigger price tag). Guess what they recommend? SD and Eukanuba.

Do a little Googling on Maxximum Lamb and Rice formula. I was genuinely surprised at the glowing reports I was reading from consumers and veterinarians alike.


Guess who funds classes on nutrition for vets?

Go on, guess...
rob78  [Team Member]
12/8/2008 10:19:40 AM
Originally Posted By jnojr:
Originally Posted By rob78:


Guess what our vets carry? Science Diet and Eukanuba (essentially Iams with a bigger price tag). Guess what they recommend? SD and Eukanuba.

Do a little Googling on Maxximum Lamb and Rice formula. I was genuinely surprised at the glowing reports I was reading from consumers and veterinarians alike.


Guess who funds classes on nutrition for vets?

Go on, guess...



Iams?
JH225  [Team Member]
12/8/2008 12:56:42 PM
Originally Posted By jnojr:


Dog Food Report Card

So just who printed up that list? And who did the research?

Anyone can make some list up, but without a source backing it up, it is useless.


BTW - Never fed IAMS, but have fed Pro Plan and Chicken Soup. Pro Plan was fed for years with great results. My current dogs don't like it though. The Chicken Soup was great, but WAY too expensive as a lot of the organics are. I go through almost 100lbs a month between 2 dogs and I am not spending almost $100 to do so.

I started using a large feed supply (Blue Seal) Lamb & Rice for much less money and it has tons of good stuff including fruits & veggies. http://www.blueseal.com/canine/LifeStages/LambAndRice.php
evo462  [Team Member]
12/26/2008 6:50:56 PM
Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
Originally Posted By olwen:
Originally Posted By bps10:
Iams = Ol' Roy. Get your dog some better food. They are both corn and by-product based. The EVO brand is great.

ETA: I use 40 lbs. a week


iams is not good dog food. corn sucks for dogs.

get the costco brand dog food, it is about the same price or a little more, and MUCH better.





Kirkland Dog Food is made by Diamond


Diamond Original
Ingredients
Meat meal, ground corn, wheat flour, poultry by-product meal, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), beet pulp, fish meal, natural chicken flavor, vitamins, minerals and chelated minerals.

Diamond
Premium Adult Formula for Dogs
Ingredients
Chicken by-product meal, whole grain ground corn, wheat flour, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), brewers rice, beet pulp, egg product, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, fish meal. Vitamins, minerals and chelated minerals.


I picked up the Kirkland Super Premium Lamb, Rice, and Vegetable Formula today. So this is supposed to be pretty good stuff? Better than Iams? I've found Costco's "Kirkland" products to be generally high quality stuff, but when it comes to dog food, that's not exactly something I can test out myself.

Ingredients, in order of appearance on package:

Lamb, lamb meal, whole grain brown rice, white rice, rice bran, egg product, cracked pearl barley, chicken fat, beet pulp, potatoes, fish meal, flaxseed, natural flavor (um, ok) millet, brewers dried yeast, etc etc etc
thatguy  [Member]
12/28/2008 2:18:29 PM
Originally Posted By olwen:
Originally Posted By Cattitude:

good foods on the market, and a lot of crappy foods. I tell my clients to feed the diet their dog does the best on. That means: shiny coat, lean body condition, small stool volume (firm stools), etc. I recommend they stay away from foods that have artificial preservatives and colors, sugar, or unidentified meat.

There is nothing wring with meat by-products, they actually have a lot of nutritional value. Just not in the first 1-2 ingredients because that can lead to inconsistencies between batches. There is nothing wrong with corn, it is a high quality, highly digestible protein.

Having said that, I have in the past fed IAMs without problems. I currently feed Innova Senior.



you are a vet, and you think corn is good for dogs?

I am curious as well.. from what I read on the 'net (and you know you always get 100% facts there LOL) corn does very little good in dog food

Brian





MST2  [Team Member]
12/28/2008 3:27:12 PM
Wellness dog food is the best on the market. If you don't believe me, read the ingredients. No bullshit in this food. Large breed puppy ingredients below.

Feeding your dog Purina, Science Diet, or such is like feeding them McDonalds every day. Feeding them Wellness is like feeding them a 3 course meal at every feeding.

Wellness is more expensive, but the quality ingredients are worth it. I did a LOT of research on what to feed my new Chow before I decided.

http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/dog_wellness_dry_super5mix_puppy_health.html
Scottmkiv  [Member]
12/29/2008 3:16:20 AM
I like the Costco brand food. My dogs need about 1/3 less food compared to the run of the mill brands. They seem very healthy, and they eat and poop less.

I challenge anyone touting the super premium $1+/lb foods to show some actual science proving their benefits.
Kuraki  [Team Member]
12/29/2008 3:20:49 AM
I've been feeding a lotta dogs, a lotta Pedigree, for a lotta years. I think I'll stick with that.
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