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 Water in beer counts as "daily water intake"?
MillerSHO  [Member]
10/13/2008 12:31:44 PM
Can the water in beer count as your daily water intake?

I understand that I'm going to be loosing some water for my body to deal with the alcohol but I only drink cheap light beer so the ratio of alcohol to water is greatly different.

I think as a adult male I'm supposed to drink 75-100oz of water a day.
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thelastgunslinger  [Team Member]
10/13/2008 12:36:05 PM
It counts, but you have to increase your total water intake for each ounce of alcohol you drink.
cluster  [Member]
10/13/2008 12:36:27 PM
doesnt beer dehydrate you ?
MillerSHO  [Member]
10/13/2008 12:36:57 PM
Anyone know how many OZ of water is lost trying to get out one OZ of alcohol?
Torf  [Team Member]
10/13/2008 12:38:06 PM

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
It counts, but you have to increase your total water intake for each ounce of alcohol you drink.


Correct.

I do think that the 64 oz. per day baseline is a little high though. Also, you get significant water in the food you eat, unless you subsist on crackers.
MillerSHO  [Member]
10/13/2008 12:38:46 PM

Originally Posted By cluster:
doesnt beer dehydrate you ?


The alcohol does, but beer is 99% water.
I'm just trying to figure out some numbers.


I guess back in the pilgrim days, beer and spirits where one of the only ways to get water in your in a safe manner.
MillerSHO  [Member]
10/13/2008 12:40:24 PM

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
It counts, but you have to increase your total water intake for each ounce of alcohol you drink.


Correct.

I do think that the 64 oz. per day baseline is a little high though. Also, you get significant water in the food you eat, unless you subsist on crackers.


I've always heard that it takes a good amount of water for your body to metabolize food in your body, way more then what the food "brings to the table".
Torf  [Team Member]
10/13/2008 12:56:58 PM

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
It counts, but you have to increase your total water intake for each ounce of alcohol you drink.


Correct.

I do think that the 64 oz. per day baseline is a little high though. Also, you get significant water in the food you eat, unless you subsist on crackers.


I've always heard that it takes a good amount of water for your body to metabolize food in your body, way more then what the food "brings to the table".


It depends on what you are eating. The copious quantity of water they recommend should be more than enough to cover digestion all on it's own.
rjroberts  [Member]
10/13/2008 1:02:25 PM
Wasser ist billig, rein und gut, aber nur verduennt es unser blut.

Water is cheap, clean and good, however it only thins our blood.
efxguy  [Member]
10/13/2008 1:08:41 PM

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:

Originally Posted By cluster:
doesnt beer dehydrate you ?


The alcohol does, but beer is 99% water.
I'm just trying to figure out some numbers.


I guess back in the pilgrim days, through out history beer and spirits where one of the only ways to get water in your in a safe manner.



I just needed to correct that.

efxguy
TheCynic  [Team Member]
10/13/2008 1:09:02 PM
Didn't they prove that the 64oz rule is a myth?

dms.dartmouth.edu/news/2002_h2/08aug2002_water.shtml
MillerSHO  [Member]
10/14/2008 1:47:49 PM

Originally Posted By TheCynic:
Didn't they prove that the 64oz rule is a myth?

dms.dartmouth.edu/news/2002_h2/08aug2002_water.shtml


There has to be some health benefit of drinking a good amount of water in a day.
AGW  [Team Member]
10/14/2008 2:08:06 PM

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:

Originally Posted By TheCynic:
Didn't they prove that the 64oz rule is a myth?

dms.dartmouth.edu/news/2002_h2/08aug2002_water.shtml


There has to be some health benefit of drinking a good amount of water in a day.


There is if you're 'active'. Most people seem to get by fine on soda, juice, beer... anything that contains water. But undertake an exercise regimen and the diet necessary to keep you progressing and your body will make you suffer if you don't hydrate it.
kujeeper82  [Member]
10/14/2008 2:13:41 PM
most people today run around dehydrated; I'm one of them. Granted, I grew up on an arid climate (Arizona) so I don't seem to need as much to get by.

I can honestly say that there have been weeks when all my water came from: coffee (25%), beer (50%) and milk (25%). This is good potent (7% abv) homebrew too.

Recently I've begun to worry about stones, so I've started drinking a glass of water before bed each night.
PUBBOY  [Team Member]
10/14/2008 2:15:37 PM

Originally Posted By cluster:
doesnt beer dehydrate you ?


Alcohol in general.
gaspain  [Team Member]
10/14/2008 2:16:40 PM
poo is 80% water


...fact of the day
DonS  [Member]
10/14/2008 2:22:12 PM

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:

Originally Posted By TheCynic:
Didn't they prove that the 64oz rule is a myth?

dms.dartmouth.edu/news/2002_h2/08aug2002_water.shtml


There has to be some health benefit of drinking a good amount of water in a day.


That's what we used to think . . .
California_Kid  [Team Member]
10/14/2008 2:23:15 PM
A friend of mine asked his doctor that very question after getting treated for kidney stones. Doc told him to drink whatever he wants, as long as he consumes a lot of it.
haLfLiFe  [Member]
10/14/2008 2:27:24 PM
You need to change the thread title to "My name is Milla, and I am an alcoholic"
TrojanMan  [Member]
10/14/2008 2:37:01 PM

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:

Originally Posted By cluster:
doesnt beer dehydrate you ?

The alcohol does, but beer is 99% water.
I'm just trying to figure out some numbers.


I hate to rain on your parade, but if a beer (we'll say Budweiser) is 5% alcohol by volume, how can it be 99% water?

Depending upon what beer we're talking about, its water content will compose approximately 95% of its non-alcohol weight, depending upon residual sugars, the presence of yeast, color of the beer, hardness of the water used, etc. (always take measurements with degassed beer, BTW) Some beers may be higher or lower, of course.

There's actually a lot less water in beer than you might think, especially good beer. Think about the average beer recipe. Let's say 5 gallons of water (42lbs) with 8 pounds of malt extract and some type of hops and yeast. That formula right there is only 85% water by weight total, though the extract does contain some water so it'll be a little less. When fermented out, you'll lose appx. 1-2 pounds of material to CO2 vapors and the alcohol content weights less than the water. You're looking at the neighborhood of 5-6% ABV depending upon residual sugar so a total water content of approximately 90% (ish).

Beer is mostly water, yes, but it's less than you think.


As for whether it counts for water intake or not, consider the following:

* Studies have determined that, after light to medium exercise, 12 ounces of 5% ABV beer rehydrates the body better than an equivalent ammount of Gatorade or water. Above one serving, gatorade is better and if you're truly dehydrated, mineral water is best.
* The body naturally produces around two drinks' worth of alcohol per day, spread out along the natural metabolic cycle. One to two additional drinks worth does not place undue stress upon the cardiovascular system and in fact increases its ability to perform its required functions. Further, antioxidants found in fermented fruit beverages such as cider, wine, cyser, etc. can be beneficial to the body.
* Beer contains simple carbohydrates which the body can easily use for fuel. This is a problem if you're overweight where the body uses this easy-access energy instead of burning fat reserves but for normal-weight individuals, it is a good source of energy.
* Unfiltered beer contains copious ammounts of B-complex vitamins which have been shown to improve brain function, boost metabolism and increase energy levels.
* Hop oils can have a slight antibiotic effect and can help ward off disease

I would say that if you keep consumption to one or two beers per day and if you drink unfiltered, unpasteurized beer, that the health benefits -including water intake- would far outweigh any negatives.

Above two beers, though, you're going to lose more nutrients and water through urine than you'll ever get from the beer.
ErikJohnson  [Member]
10/14/2008 2:38:12 PM

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
It counts, but you have to increase your total water intake for each ounce of alcohol you drink.


Correct.

I do think that the 64 oz. per day baseline is a little high though. Also, you get significant water in the food you eat, unless you subsist on crackers.


I drink 64 oz of water before 10am!
genesis  [Team Member]
10/14/2008 2:42:05 PM
MillerSHO  [Member]
10/14/2008 2:46:09 PM

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
A friend of mine asked his doctor that very question after getting treated for kidney stones. Doc told him to drink whatever he wants, as long as he consumes a lot of it.


Exactly.

My wife is HORRIBLE about drinking water, two years ago she got a kidney stone.

The doc said you got to cut down on the pop and drink more water.
KnobCreek  [Team Member]
10/14/2008 2:49:02 PM
If I drank as much water as I'm "supposed" to, I'd be fired. I tried drinking 65-96oz of water a day (3x Nalgene bottles). Spent about 15 minutes out of every hour pissing.
kujeeper82  [Member]
10/14/2008 4:15:14 PM

Originally Posted By TrojanMan:

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:

Originally Posted By cluster:
doesnt beer dehydrate you ?

The alcohol does, but beer is 99% water.
I'm just trying to figure out some numbers.


I hate to rain on your parade, but if a beer (we'll say Budweiser) is 5% alcohol by volume, how can it be 99% water?

Depending upon what beer we're talking about, its water content will compose approximately 95% of its non-alcohol weight, depending upon residual sugars, the presence of yeast, color of the beer, hardness of the water used, etc. (always take measurements with degassed beer, BTW) Some beers may be higher or lower, of course.

There's actually a lot less water in beer than you might think, especially good beer. Think about the average beer recipe. Let's say 5 gallons of water (42lbs) with 8 pounds of malt extract and some type of hops and yeast. That formula right there is only 85% water by weight total, though the extract does contain some water so it'll be a little less. When fermented out, you'll lose appx. 1-2 pounds of material to CO2 vapors and the alcohol content weights less than the water. You're looking at the neighborhood of 5-6% ABV depending upon residual sugar so a total water content of approximately 90% (ish).

Beer is mostly water, yes, but it's less than you think.


As for whether it counts for water intake or not, consider the following:

* Studies have determined that, after light to medium exercise, 12 ounces of 5% ABV beer rehydrates the body better than an equivalent ammount of Gatorade or water. Above one serving, gatorade is better and if you're truly dehydrated, mineral water is best.
* The body naturally produces around two drinks' worth of alcohol per day, spread out along the natural metabolic cycle. One to two additional drinks worth does not place undue stress upon the cardiovascular system and in fact increases its ability to perform its required functions. Further, antioxidants found in fermented fruit beverages such as cider, wine, cyser, etc. can be beneficial to the body.
* Beer contains simple carbohydrates which the body can easily use for fuel. This is a problem if you're overweight where the body uses this easy-access energy instead of burning fat reserves but for normal-weight individuals, it is a good source of energy.
* Unfiltered beer contains copious ammounts of B-complex vitamins which have been shown to improve brain function, boost metabolism and increase energy levels.
* Hop oils can have a slight antibiotic effect and can help ward off disease

I would say that if you keep consumption to one or two beers per day and if you drink unfiltered, unpasteurized beer, that the health benefits -including water intake- would far outweigh any negatives.

Above two beers, though, you're going to lose more nutrients and water through urine than you'll ever get from the beer.

Trojan, you're my hero
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