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 Sunburned while plasma cutting?
Octopus5alive  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 7:47:55 AM EST
I used a plasma cutter for about an hour yesterday cutting up some aluminum. Today my face is tender and slightly pinkish. I know welding can cause UV burns. I've always just used sunglasses for protection while running the PC. Guess I learned something. Then again, I've never used one as long as I did yesterday, so perhaps that is why I've never noticed the effects before. You guys use a tinted face shield or what?
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D_Baum  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 7:52:45 AM EST
You should use a welders mask not SUNGLASSES. They offer no protection for your eyes. If your eyes are burning put slices of potatoes on them.

Don't be stupid you cant replace your eyes.
Keith_J  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 7:54:08 AM EST
Plasma is just as bad as arc welding.

UH_SALT_RIFLE  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 7:58:20 AM EST
Yup. Full face mask and covered skin.
Tomtbo  [Life Member]
10/11/2008 7:58:48 AM EST
I learned years ago that welding shirtless is like a tanning salon.
dupemaster  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 7:59:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By D_Baum:
You should use a welders mask not SUNGLASSES. They offer no protection for your eyes. If your eyes are burning put slices of potatoes on them.

Don't be stupid you cant replace your eyes.


here's your answer.
g3shooter  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 8:00:57 AM EST
WELDERS MASK.
MuRDoC  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 8:02:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By Octopus5alive:
I used a plasma cutter for about an hour yesterday cutting up some aluminum. Today my face is tender and slightly pinkish. I know welding can cause UV burns. I've always just used sunglasses for protection while running the PC. Guess I learned something. Then again, I've never used one as long as I did yesterday, so perhaps that is why I've never noticed the effects before. You guys use a tinted face shield or what?


you need to learn how to wield, take class. What you're doing is dangerous. Sunglasses are just about equal to not using anything, use a full face mask
PhilipPeake  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 8:02:53 AM EST
Its hard UV from a plasma discharge -- that's actually what you have inside a UV lamp.

You need REAL UV eye protection (welder's mask) and keep all your bare skin covered.
This is NASTY UV, it burns rather than tans, and over exposure to it can cause melanoma (skin cancer).

A one-off exposure like this probably won't cause any more harm than a case of sunburn, but don't do it on a regular basis.

And DO protect your eyes properly. Burn the retina, and you won't know about it until the cells begin to die....
Octopus5alive  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 8:06:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:
Its hard UV from a plasma discharge -- that's actually what you have inside a UV lamp.

You need REAL UV eye protection (welder's mask) and keep all your bare skin covered.
This is NASTY UV, it burns rather than tans, and over exposure to it can cause melanoma (skin cancer).

A one-off exposure like this probably won't cause any more harm than a case of sunburn, but don't do it on a regular basis.

And DO protect your eyes properly. Burn the retina, and you won't know about it until the cells begin to die....


Thank you for your input. I always cover my skin and wear a full welding face mask when welding, and sunglasses while cutting with an OxyAcetilene torch.

Instead of a welders lens, what about the kind that come with cutting goggles or masks. You can still see out of them, but they are pretty dark. Are they acceptable?

Octopus5alive  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 8:08:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Plasma is just as bad as arc welding.



Thanks. I wondered about that this morning when my face was on fire.

Luckily, my eyes are not hurting or red, so maybe I got lucky this time. Lesson learned.
TheGrayMan  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 8:08:56 AM EST
Wear an actual welder's mask... UV keratitis is VERY painful.

Octopus5alive  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 8:09:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:

Originally Posted By Octopus5alive:
I used a plasma cutter for about an hour yesterday cutting up some aluminum. Today my face is tender and slightly pinkish. I know welding can cause UV burns. I've always just used sunglasses for protection while running the PC. Guess I learned something. Then again, I've never used one as long as I did yesterday, so perhaps that is why I've never noticed the effects before. You guys use a tinted face shield or what?


you need to learn how to wield, take class. What you're doing is dangerous. Sunglasses are just about equal to not using anything, use a full face mask


wield what, a plasma torch?
luger355  [Member]
10/11/2008 8:10:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Plasma is just as bad as arc welding.




+2

BTW dont put your hand on top of the electrode and accidentally pull the trigger.

it only takes one time to learn that valuable lesson.

on second thought i highly suggest it
GimpyPaw  [Member]
10/11/2008 8:12:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By Octopus5alive:

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:
Its hard UV from a plasma discharge -- that's actually what you have inside a UV lamp.

You need REAL UV eye protection (welder's mask) and keep all your bare skin covered.
This is NASTY UV, it burns rather than tans, and over exposure to it can cause melanoma (skin cancer).

A one-off exposure like this probably won't cause any more harm than a case of sunburn, but don't do it on a regular basis.

And DO protect your eyes properly. Burn the retina, and you won't know about it until the cells begin to die....


Thank you for your input. I always cover my skin and wear a full welding face mask when welding, and sunglasses while cutting with an OxyAcetilene torch.

Instead of a welders lens, what about the kind that come with cutting goggles or masks. You can still see out of them, but they are pretty dark. Are they acceptable?



Er, no. Plasma cutters use an arc. The main difference between a plasma cutter and an arc welder is the air discharge to help one cut while the other uses either a wire or a rod to add metal. You need a sheild that is designed for that.
Keith_J  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 8:14:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By luger355:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Plasma is just as bad as arc welding.




+2

BTW dont put your hand on top of the electrode and accidentally pull the trigger.

on second thought i highly suggest it


FUCK THAT.

I learned the HARD WAY that 100% leather coverage isn't just a good idea, even with oxyfuel cutting. Had a small hole in my glove, just enough to let a perfectly aimed jet of burning steel onto my knuckle. Took a month to heal.
luger355  [Member]
10/11/2008 8:18:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By GimpyPaw:

Originally Posted By Octopus5alive:

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:
Its hard UV from a plasma discharge -- that's actually what you have inside a UV lamp.

You need REAL UV eye protection (welder's mask) and keep all your bare skin covered.
This is NASTY UV, it burns rather than tans, and over exposure to it can cause melanoma (skin cancer).

A one-off exposure like this probably won't cause any more harm than a case of sunburn, but don't do it on a regular basis.

And DO protect your eyes properly. Burn the retina, and you won't know about it until the cells begin to die....


Thank you for your input. I always cover my skin and wear a full welding face mask when welding, and sunglasses while cutting with an OxyAcetilene torch.

Instead of a welders lens, what about the kind that come with cutting goggles or masks. You can still see out of them, but they are pretty dark. Are they acceptable?



Er, no. Plasma cutters use an arc. The main difference between a plasma cutter and an arc welder is the air discharge to help one cut while the other uses either a wire or a rod to add metal. You need a sheild that is designed for that.


++ welding goggles are basically worthless for everything EXEPT O/C welding.
beagler76  [Member]
10/11/2008 8:27:43 AM EST
IBP

In- Before- Pangea


luger355  [Member]
10/11/2008 8:33:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By luger355:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Plasma is just as bad as arc welding.




+2

BTW dont put your hand on top of the electrode and accidentally pull the trigger.

on second thought i highly suggest it


FUCK THAT.

I learned the HARD WAY that 100% leather coverage isn't just a good idea, even with oxyfuel cutting. Had a small hole in my glove, just enough to let a perfectly aimed jet of burning steel onto my knuckle. Took a month to heal.



and thusly you learned a valuable lesson...
D_Baum  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 8:42:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By luger355:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Plasma is just as bad as arc welding.




+2

BTW dont put your hand on top of the electrode and accidentally pull the trigger.

on second thought i highly suggest it


FUCK THAT.

I learned the HARD WAY that 100% leather coverage isn't just a good idea, even with oxyfuel cutting. Had a small hole in my glove, just enough to let a perfectly aimed jet of burning steel onto my knuckle. Took a month to heal.


If that hot molten magma landed in your ear, you would not feel a thing. Ear wax is amazing thing.
xanadu  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 9:05:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By D_Baum:
If your eyes are burning put slices of potatoes on them.


WTF???
On your eye (cornea) or on your eye lids? And why???
Pangea  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 9:09:17 AM EST
There is very little difference between plasma cutting and plasma welding. High energy stuff right there. The pink wont turn to tan. It will peel and go away.
luger355  [Member]
10/11/2008 9:15:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By xanadu:

Originally Posted By D_Baum:
If your eyes are burning put slices of potatoes on them.


WTF???
On your eye (cornea) or on your eye lids? And why???


ive herd of this, but i thought it was just the potato juice.
Octopus5alive  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 9:26:12 AM EST
Upon further thought, I do suppose that they intense light put off by the plasma arc will provide sufficient illumination to see my cut lines.

Thanks for the advice everyone. And shame on my ag teacher for not telling me about the full face mask when I was running one everyday in high school.
fastmover  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 9:29:23 AM EST
Eyes, particularly the cornea (the clear window of tissue on the front of the eyeball), can be easily damaged by exposure to ultraviolet radiation from a welder's arc.

The cornea takes the brunt of the damage if eye protection is not worn. A corneal flash burn (also called ultraviolet [UV] keratitis) can be considered to be a "sunburn" of the eye surface.

Corneal damage from a corneal flash burn can cause pains, changes in vision, or loss of vision.

the home remedy is hot towel on the eyes it opens the pores and allows fluid into the cells, don't do this if the burn is anything past mild. If it is past mild you need to see doctor, ever seen a infected cornea?

WEAR PPE it is a few bucks and IT IS YOUR EYES, Humans use them for a lot of stuff you will miss them when they are gone.
DD977GM2  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 9:30:43 AM EST
About the same intensity of UV light hitting you. I have been "sun" burned a few times both cutting with a plasma cutter and welding without a jacket on.

Aloe is your friend.
MuRDoC  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 9:34:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By Octopus5alive:

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:

Originally Posted By Octopus5alive:
I used a plasma cutter for about an hour yesterday cutting up some aluminum. Today my face is tender and slightly pinkish. I know welding can cause UV burns. I've always just used sunglasses for protection while running the PC. Guess I learned something. Then again, I've never used one as long as I did yesterday, so perhaps that is why I've never noticed the effects before. You guys use a tinted face shield or what?


you need to learn how to wield, take class. What you're doing is dangerous. Sunglasses are just about equal to not using anything, use a full face mask


wield what, a plasma torch?


what I'm I'm saying is they will teach you the proper way to cut and wield, take a class before you do irreparable damage to yourself
Stonerriflefan44  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 9:36:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By Octopus5alive:
I used a plasma cutter for about an hour yesterday cutting up some aluminum. Today my face is tender and slightly pinkish. I know welding can cause UV burns. I've always just used sunglasses for protection while running the PC. Guess I learned something. Then again, I've never used one as long as I did yesterday, so perhaps that is why I've never noticed the effects before. You guys use a tinted face shield or what?


Compared to the sun, the arc from a plasma torch is intense and yes will cause burns. Most importantly your eyes can suffer the same damage as in welding without the proper welding mask or goggles.
Greenhorn  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 11:08:35 AM EST
Yes, arc welding deals with temperatures hotter than the sun. LOTS of unfiltered UV rays. You WILL get sunburned if you have exposed skin.

Remember, the hotter something is, the shorter wavelength the peak radiation output is, and the higher the peak is. Something that's glowing red is glowing because the peak radiation output is in the infrared (which is why it puts out so much heat - you're feeling infrared radiation), and the far edge is in the red part of the visible spectrum. The visible part is low-output compared to the peak in the infrared, but it's enough to see. The rest of the colors are decreased in intensity even more, so they don't show up.

If you heat it up even more, the peak moves to the visible part of the spectrum, so it puts nearly equal amounts of all visible colors, creating white. This is known as white-hot. If you heat it even more, the peak moves towards the shorter end of the visible spectrum (blue and violet). While the peak is around blue, the output is still high over the rest of the visible spectrum, so it creates white light. But just as the output is high on the visible side of the peak output wavelength, it's also high on the invisible side - UV.
Crimson_Trace  [Member]
10/11/2008 11:11:24 AM EST
One more safety tip.

Sunglasses are not enough for oxy-fuel. Especially hi-temp cutting.

#4 goggles please.

-Z
Octopus5alive  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 11:28:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:

Originally Posted By Octopus5alive:

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:

Originally Posted By Octopus5alive:
I used a plasma cutter for about an hour yesterday cutting up some aluminum. Today my face is tender and slightly pinkish. I know welding can cause UV burns. I've always just used sunglasses for protection while running the PC. Guess I learned something. Then again, I've never used one as long as I did yesterday, so perhaps that is why I've never noticed the effects before. You guys use a tinted face shield or what?


you need to learn how to wield, take class. What you're doing is dangerous. Sunglasses are just about equal to not using anything, use a full face mask


wield what, a plasma torch?


what I'm I'm saying is they will teach you the proper way to cut and wield, take a class before you do irreparable damage to yourself


I got it...I was just giving you a hard time. Short of my latest SNAFU, I'm very responsible about safety while welding...I rarely use a PC (in comparison to how often I weld) and I didn't realize the intensity. Stupid I know, but I've learned my lesson.

I don't even let my dog in the garage when welding, as I'm afraid she will catch an arc burn to her eyes.

TheGrayMan  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 1:06:11 PM EST
If you get a bad case of welder's flash, you'll never forget it.

Wear the proper gear.
Dave_A  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 1:08:59 PM EST
Learned the hard way that welding can get you sunburned a few months ago...

I was wearing a full auto-dark mask... but that didn't help my exposed arms and legs from turning a nice shade of pink....
Kharn  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 1:18:21 PM EST
I badly sun-burned my knees when I was welding stuff while wearing shorts and a long-sleeve jacket.

Definitely get a proper welding helmet, you only get one pair of eyes and you dont want to look like a Kramer when he fell asleep in the tanning bed. Harbor Freight, etc, have cheap autodarkening helmets, I think mine was around $50.

Kharn
red65  [Member]
10/11/2008 2:16:20 PM EST

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ultramagbrion  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 2:19:30 PM EST
I used to get fried anytime I TIG'ed on aluminum......I protect myself anymore.
Ultvikefan  [Team Member]
10/11/2008 4:43:46 PM EST
if you opt for exposed skin keep the high spf lotion around and use it
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