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Ecko  [Member]
12/28/2007 2:23:18 AM
Is there such a thing as a military prison? I know they have jails to put soldiers who mess up but, I mean for the guys that are going away for the long haul. Does the military have prisons for that or do they just end up in a regular civilain prison.

Enigma102083  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 2:23:57 AM
Yes.
MrMojoRising  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 2:28:19 AM
tyman  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 2:28:34 AM
List of US Military Prisons



Current military prisons

[edit] United States Disciplinary Barracks
United States Disciplinary Barracks, Fort Leavenworth, Leavenworth, Kansas

[edit] United States Air Force
Air Force Regional Confinement Facility, Edwards AFB, Edwards Air Force Base, California
Air Force Regional Confinement Facility, Kirtland AFB, Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico
Air Force Regional Confinement Facility, Lackland AFB, Lackland Air Force Base, Texas

[edit] United States Army
Army Regional Confinement Facility, Fort Carson, Fort Carson, Colorado
Army Regional Confinement Facility, Fort Lewis, Fort Lewis, Washington
Army Regional Confinement Facility Europe, Germany, U.S. Army Garrison Mannheim, Mannheim, Germany
Army Regional Confinement Facility, Fort Knox, Fort Knox, Kentucky
Army Regional Confinement Facility, Fort Sill, Fort Sill, Oklahoma
Army Regional Confinement Facility, Camp Humphreys, Camp Humphreys, USFK
Inmates, selected by the Army and approved by SECAF, may be transferred to the Federal Bureau of Prisons[1]

[edit] United States Navy
Consolidated brigs
Naval Consolidated Brig, Charleston, Charleston, South Carolina
Naval Consolidated Brig, Miramar, Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, San Diego, California

Waterfront Brigs/CCU
Brig/Consolidated Confinement Unit Naval Air Station Jacksonville, Jacksonville, Florida
Naval Brig Yokosuka, U.S. Fleet Activities Yokosuka, Japan
Naval Brig Rota, Naval Station Rota, Spain
Navy Brig, Pearl Harbor, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii
Navy Brig, Puget Sound, Puget Sound Naval Shipyard, Washington
Pre-Trial Confinement Facility/PCF
Pre-Trial Confinement Facility, Great Lakes, Illinois
Pre-Trial Confinement Facility, Submarine Base New London, Connecticut
Pre-Trial Confinement Facility/Consolidated Confinement Unit, Commander, Fleet Activities Yokosuka, Japan
Pre-Trial Confinement Facility, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
Detention Facility
Naval Station Roosevelt Roads, Puerto Rico
Naval Air Station Keflavik, Iceland
Submarine Base Kings Bay, Georgia
Naval Station San Diego, California
Anacostia Naval Station, District of Columbia
Naval Air Station North Island, California
Naval Air Station Lemoore, California
Naval Air Station Meridian, Mississippi
Naval Air Station Corpus Christi, Texas
Commander Fleet Activities Sasebo, Japan
Commander Naval Activities Marianas, Guam
Naval Support Activity Naples
Naval Support Facility Diego Garcia

Afloat Brigs
USS Enterprise (CVN-65)
USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67)
USS Nimitz (CVN-68)
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69)
USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)
USS George Washington (CVN-73)
USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75)
USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63)
USS Constellation (CV-64)
USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70)
USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72)
USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74)
USS Wasp (LHD-1)
USS Kearsarge (LHD-3)
USS Bataan (LHD-5)
USS Essex (LHD-2)
USS Boxer (LHD-4)
USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD-6)
USS Nassau (LHA-4)
USS Tarawa (LHA-1)
USS Peleliu (LHA-5)
USS Simon Lake (AS-33)
USS Emory S. Land (AS-39)

[edit] United States Marine Corps
Marine Corps Brig, Camp Pendleton, Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, California
Marine Corps Brig, Camp Hanson, Camp Hanson, Okinawa, Japan
Marine Corps Brig, Quantico, Marine Corps Base Quantico, Quantico, Virginia
Marine Corps Brig, Camp Lejeune, Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune, North Carolina‡
‡ recommended by BRAC for closure no later than September 15, 2011 (source:[1])
MACD  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 2:30:15 AM
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you never know..
TNA1  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 2:34:19 AM
There used to be a Navy Brig on Treasure Island in San Francisco Bay when the Navy still owned TI. The building is still there and in excellent condition last time I drove through there (about 6 months ago). It was pretty small and I'm not sure if it was even in use when I was there in 95. They were in the process of closing down the base when I was there.
Cyclic240B  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 5:18:26 AM

Originally Posted By Ecko:
Is there such a thing as a military prison? I know they have jails to put soldiers who mess up but, I mean for the guys that are going away for the long haul. Does the military have prisons for that or do they just end up in a regular civilain prison.



Yep. I have personally delivered more than a few shitbags in cuffs n' shackles to the "Prison" at Ft. Lewis WA. They were all guilty of drug possession/use/sales, and or larceny, and all had multi-year sentences. It was a very satisfying duty too, for I knew them all personally, and being in charge of rejects like that is a pain in the ass.
Tirador223  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 5:25:29 AM
The deserted and spooky remains of the big Naval Brig in Portsmouth, NH still stands although no longer used and apparently unsuitable for reuse. It was where Jack Nicholson was headed in the movie "The Last Detail."


bblake00  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 5:25:30 AM
Any one have stories about one of them?
SFK9handler  [Member]
12/28/2007 6:02:31 AM
Don't know how true it is but when I was stationed at Hickam AFB, I heard a rumor about an inmate from the Pearl Harbor Brig on Ford Island slipped away from work detail and decided to swim to freedom across the harbor. From what I heard a SEAL/SBS team was training in the harbor and one of them jumped in knocked him out and dragged him back on the boat and returned them to the Brig. Again probably not true but we all know that far fetched rumors spread like wildfire in the military.
GENESMITH  [Life Member]
12/28/2007 6:11:59 AM
My XO's last duty station was at Levenworth.
BillSouthCarolina  [Member]
12/28/2007 6:52:18 AM

Originally Posted By Cyclic240B:

Originally Posted By Ecko:
Is there such a thing as a military prison? I know they have jails to put soldiers who mess up but, I mean for the guys that are going away for the long haul. Does the military have prisons for that or do they just end up in a regular civilain prison.



Yep. I have personally delivered more than a few shitbags in cuffs n' shackles to the "Prison" at Ft. Lewis WA. They were all guilty of drug possession/use/sales, and or larceny, and all had multi-year sentences. It was a very satisfying duty too, for I knew them all personally, and being in charge of rejects like that is a pain in the ass.


Do those years served in jail count for their pension benefits?
daemon734  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 7:07:55 AM
theres a US military prison in mannheim, germany as well.
sms5183  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 7:33:03 AM

Originally Posted By BillSouthCarolina:

Originally Posted By Cyclic240B:

Originally Posted By Ecko:
Is there such a thing as a military prison? I know they have jails to put soldiers who mess up but, I mean for the guys that are going away for the long haul. Does the military have prisons for that or do they just end up in a regular civilain prison.



Yep. I have personally delivered more than a few shitbags in cuffs n' shackles to the "Prison" at Ft. Lewis WA. They were all guilty of drug possession/use/sales, and or larceny, and all had multi-year sentences. It was a very satisfying duty too, for I knew them all personally, and being in charge of rejects like that is a pain in the ass.


Do those years served in jail count for their pension benefits?


Usually a jail sentence is accompanied by a redcution in rank to E1, loss of all pay and benefits, and a DD.
FDC  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 7:55:11 AM

Originally Posted By daemon734:
theres a US military prison in mannheim, germany as well.


They had one of the best Class VI stores in Europe as well. WE loaded up the car on the way back to Italy.

Had to escort a dude on his chapter physical. Took 3 days, of pick him up at Mannhiem, drive to Landstuhl and back. He was a good friend of mine, but better him in cuffs and leg shackles than me.
Kharn  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 8:16:57 AM

Originally Posted By GENESMITH:
My XO's last duty station was at Levenworth.
As a guest?

Kharn
GENESMITH  [Life Member]
12/28/2007 8:29:22 AM

Originally Posted By Kharn:

Originally Posted By GENESMITH:
My XO's last duty station was at Levenworth.
As a guest?

Kharn




I'm not sure what he did, but it wasn't as a guest.
EndlessSteven  [Member]
12/28/2007 8:43:04 AM
Something I've always idly wondered... Do the Military prisons have the same problems with fighting, gangs, and dudes raping each other that they do in regular prison?

GeorgiaBII  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 8:53:04 AM

Originally Posted By EndlessSteven:
Something I've always idly wondered... Do the Military prisons have the same problems with fighting, gangs, and dudes raping each other that they do in regular prison?



For some reason I doubt it.
EndlessSteven  [Member]
12/28/2007 8:55:55 AM
Me too... Like I said, I've always been curious.

ABNAK  [Member]
12/28/2007 9:01:42 AM
IIRC they were brown colored fatigues and boots. Saw a show on Leavenworth some time ago.

It also mentioned the guy who beheaded his wife's impregnating lover in Germany was serving his sentence there.
DirtyDon  [Member]
12/28/2007 9:11:32 AM
I was at a joint exercise with the Ukrainian Army at Leavenworth in 96. We took a quick tour of the base (but not the prison). On the tour they mentioned that the lower risk prisoners worked on the base in the barber shop, mowing grass, etc.
Maynard  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 9:30:36 AM
They closed the Brig in Norfolk?

I made a few trips there, as a prisoner escort and the opening monologue always consisted of the POIC telling the prisoner that he had just entered a level 2 federal peniteniary. I was told there were rapists, murderers and various other lowlifes housed there.


USN prisoners are not allowed to raise their arms above the waist, they must walk with their hands at their sides at all times, if their hands are raised above the waist it is considered an attack.

And as late as 1996, they were still giving 3 days bread and water out to sea.
Cyclic240B  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 2:40:35 PM

Originally Posted By sms5183:

Usually a jail sentence is accompanied by a reduction in rank to E1, loss of all pay and benefits, and a DD.


Exactly. The one "sorta" exception I seen was a kid in my Platoon, but in another squad. He was the gullible type, and the aforementioned shitbags, that got multi-year sentences, had talked this kid into smoking weed to get a quick n' easy general discharge.

Instead he got six months in the Ft. Lewis Prison, reduced, and that was it. I escorted him as well, which sucked because he was a good kid, just a little dumb and easily influenced. I also picked him up afterwards and his conduct post incarceration was exemplary.


Originally Posted By Maynard:
They closed the Brig in Norfolk?

I made a few trips there, as a prisoner escort and the opening monologue always consisted of the POIC telling the prisoner that he had just entered a level 2 federal peniteniary. I was told there were rapists, murderers and various other lowlifes housed there.


USN prisoners are not allowed to raise their arms above the waist, they must walk with their hands at their sides at all times, if their hands are raised above the waist it is considered an attack.

And as late as 1996, they were still giving 3 days bread and water out to sea.


Being the escort and getting to witness the opening monologue was usually funny. All the "bad asses", to a man, became very meek real quick.
bblake00  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 2:42:43 PM

Originally Posted By Maynard:
They closed the Brig in Norfolk?

I made a few trips there, as a prisoner escort and the opening monologue always consisted of the POIC telling the prisoner that he had just entered a level 2 federal peniteniary. I was told there were rapists, murderers and various other lowlifes housed there.


USN prisoners are not allowed to raise their arms above the waist, they must walk with their hands at their sides at all times, if their hands are raised above the waist it is considered an attack.

And as late as 1996, they were still giving 3 days bread and water out to sea.



WHat if they had an itch or need to get something off a high shelf?
Ecko  [Member]
12/28/2007 3:02:54 PM

Originally Posted By EndlessSteven:
Something I've always idly wondered... Do the Military prisons have the same problems with fighting, gangs, and dudes raping each other that they do in regular prison?



That was actually going to be my next question. I figure with military personnel guarding them much less hostility would be taking place.

Then again, it's a prison full of trained fighting machines.
substandard  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 3:10:48 PM
I thought LeavenSworth was famous world over. We get people from all over the country visiting it... About the only "attraction" in the state of Kansas

As a side note of no real interest... Kansas people will almost always pronounce it as Leavensworth. Why we add the "s" in there I don't know but that is how we do it.

Another famous military prison would be Alcatraz...
joker581  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 3:18:03 PM

Originally Posted By bblake00:

Originally Posted By Maynard:
They closed the Brig in Norfolk?

I made a few trips there, as a prisoner escort and the opening monologue always consisted of the POIC telling the prisoner that he had just entered a level 2 federal peniteniary. I was told there were rapists, murderers and various other lowlifes housed there.


USN prisoners are not allowed to raise their arms above the waist, they must walk with their hands at their sides at all times, if their hands are raised above the waist it is considered an attack.

And as late as 1996, they were still giving 3 days bread and water out to sea.



WHat if they had an itch or need to get something off a high shelf?
One would assume that there are protocols in place for this sort of thing.

Do they still have the Red Line Brigs, or did all of those get shut down?
Maynard  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 3:25:56 PM

Originally Posted By Ecko:

Originally Posted By EndlessSteven:
Something I've always idly wondered... Do the Military prisons have the same problems with fighting, gangs, and dudes raping each other that they do in regular prison?



That was actually going to be my next question. I figure with military personnel guarding them much less hostility would be taking place.

Then again, it's a prison full of trained fighting machines.




Not exactly, one of my prisoners was an RP (Religious Specialist) who had embezzled $250,000 from the Chaplains fund.

She had set herself up in a beachfront condo on E5 pay and had a very nice ride also. About every 4 months or so, she would become suicidal and have to go to Portsmouth Naval Hospital for a short stay.
bblake00  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 5:18:47 PM

Originally Posted By Maynard:

Originally Posted By Ecko:

Originally Posted By EndlessSteven:
Something I've always idly wondered... Do the Military prisons have the same problems with fighting, gangs, and dudes raping each other that they do in regular prison?



That was actually going to be my next question. I figure with military personnel guarding them much less hostility would be taking place.

Then again, it's a prison full of trained fighting machines.




Not exactly, one of my prisoners was an RP (Religious Specialist) who had embezzled $250,000 from the Chaplains fund.

She had set herself up in a beachfront condo on E5 pay and had a very nice ride also. About every 4 months or so, she would become suicidal and have to go to Portsmouth Naval Hospital for a short stay.


How did they catch the embezzlement?

Now my WAG would be spending beyond her means.
man_of_few_words  [Member]
12/28/2007 5:26:28 PM

Originally Posted By Maynard:
They closed the Brig in Norfolk?

I made a few trips there, as a prisoner escort and the opening monologue always consisted of the POIC telling the prisoner that he had just entered a level 2 federal peniteniary. I was told there were rapists, murderers and various other lowlifes housed there.


USN prisoners are not allowed to raise their arms above the waist, they must walk with their hands at their sides at all times, if their hands are raised above the waist it is considered an attack.

And as late as 1996, they were still giving 3 days bread and water out to sea.


It is still there. nsa-norva.navy.mil/navalbrignorfolk/index.html
MTRancher  [Member]
12/28/2007 6:59:39 PM

Originally Posted By MrMojoRising:
www.hq.usace.army.mil/cepa/pubs/nov02/pict15.jpg


Crap, that all must be new. I was stationed at Leavenworth in 1990 and it didnt look anything like that... stone castle wall, etc.

Actually when most people think of "Leavenworth" they are thinking of the US Penn which is just off post(adjoining) but is separate. Leavenworth KS is prison city USA. It has the USDB, US Penitentiary and the Kansas State Prison.

We used to go behind the walls of the USDB to get our hair cut. You could get a haircut for like two dollars then. You went into a long rectangular room with about 20 barber chairs. Behind each one was a prisoner standing at parade rest. There was a Marine guard seated behind a table as you walked in. You paid him and he told you what number chair to go to. This was back in the days when they still used straight razors. I was always in uniform, and being an officer, always hoped the prisoner wasn't in for cutting his commanding officer's throat......

CWO  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 7:11:14 PM
Years ago I was sport parachuting at Mannheim (Germany) Army Airfield. The Army Correctional Facility is right on the edge of the airfield. One day I was humping my rig out to a helo for a free lift and came across three "guys" walking through the grass. It turned out to be two very large MPs and a prisoner between them. In a loud, commanding voice they told me to move aside - which I did. The prisoner was in handcuffs secured to a waist chain, and leg chains - doing that odd shuffle that I suppose you need to do to move with leg chains on. That sight left an impression.

There was no doubt in my mind that any deviation from the protocol on the prisoner's part would result in a predictable and memorable penalty from the MPs.
m4pointman  [Member]
12/28/2007 7:24:58 PM
As an MP stationed in Germany, I had the oportunity to tour the facility at Mannheim. Impressive, they took discipline to the max, inmates weren't cut any slack.
On a side note while stationed at Ft. Sill I pulled security for the Court Martial of a prisoner who was in for rape, escape (multiple counts from military and civillian facilities) felony assault. ect ect. This guy thought he was one bad ass. Corrections specialist were in the same Barracks as us so after his conviction they filled us in on mr. bad ass the day after he was walked into Ft. Leavenworth. Mr. bad ass reportedly couldn't stop crying. Apparently he received the welcome he so richly deserved.