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Essayons  [Team Member]
8/26/2007 6:44:17 AM EST
I have some extra white Tannerite granules. Tanner said he would put some extra metal powder in my next order if I asked him, but I was wondering if Tannerite/ANAL would detonate ANFO (Tannerite granules + diesel). Might be fun to try. I suspect it won't work, but maybe someone knows for sure?
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Vepr  [Member]
8/26/2007 6:45:43 AM EST
Yes
mattimeo  [Member]
8/26/2007 6:46:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By Essayons:
I have some extra white Tannerite granules. Tanner said he would put some extra metal powder in my next order if I asked him, but I was wondering if Tannerite/ANAL would detonate ANFO (Tannerite granules + diesel). Might be fun to try. I suspect it won't work, but maybe someone knows for sure?


Write to ATF, I'm sure they have plenty of experts waiting to issue an opinion on your little science experiment.
Tannim  [Team Member]
8/26/2007 6:48:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By Essayons:
I have some extra white Tannerite granules. Tanner said he would put some extra metal powder in my next order if I asked him, but I was wondering if Tannerite/ANAL would detonate ANFO (Tannerite granules + diesel). Might be fun to try. I suspect it won't work, but maybe someone knows for sure?


Write to ATF, I'm sure they have plenty of experts waiting to issue an opinion on your little science experiment.


+1

Don't fuck around with ANFO unless you want the attention.
Sylvan  [Team Member]
8/26/2007 6:53:16 AM EST
Good thing he is a combat engineer and that is a great question.
I don't know if you will get the heat out of the igntion. Not sure what the RE factor is for tannerite is.
I would guess the answer is yes, however, the placement of the tannerite charge would be key for you to get a good shot.
I would love to do a cratering charge remote detonated with tannerite and have the det-cord ignition wrapped around the tannerite.
Curious if that rig would set off the det cord.
Essayons  [Team Member]
8/26/2007 6:56:04 AM EST
Good point. No point risking a felony conviction in the name of fun. I've got a good life and a lot to lose. I'll just ask tanner to ship me some extra aluminum powder with my next order . . .
The_Reaper  [Team Member]
8/26/2007 7:00:04 AM EST
Exactly how is using ANFO any different than using Tannerite,
if it is mixed on site and used just like one would use Tannerite?

mattimeo  [Member]
8/26/2007 7:03:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
Exactly how is using ANFO any different than using Tannerite,
if it is mixed on site and used just like one would use Tannerite?



How is buying a pound of C4 and detonating it in a safe area for my own personal amusement any different?
The_Reaper  [Team Member]
8/26/2007 7:07:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
Exactly how is using ANFO any different than using Tannerite,
if it is mixed on site and used just like one would use Tannerite?



How is buying a pound of C4 and detonating it in a safe area for my own personal amusement any different?


I thought Tannerite was legal because it was mixed on site, just before use.
You can't legally transport it after it is mixed. You have to use it then and there.

You don't mix C4 just before use.

Tannerite is ammonium nitrate oxidizer, alulminum fuel.
ANFO is ammonium nitrate oxidizer, fuel oil fuel.
Really not much difference.
You could easily mix the ANFO on site.
C-4  [Team Member]
8/26/2007 7:22:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
Exactly how is using ANFO any different than using Tannerite,
if it is mixed on site and used just like one would use Tannerite?



How is buying a pound of C4 and detonating it in a safe area for my own personal amusement any different?


I thought Tannerite was legal because it was mixed on site, just before use.
You can't legally transport it after it is mixed. You have to use it then and there.

You don't mix C4 just before use.

Tannerite is ammonium nitrate oxidizer, alulminum fuel.
ANFO is ammonium nitrate oxidizer, fuel oil fuel.
Really not much difference.
You could easily mix the ANFO on site.


+1

ANFO is going to be more difficult to set off than AN + aluminum powder. The three most important factors in increasing successful detonation are:

1) The size of the initiating explosive, in this case Tannerite.

2) The diameter of the ANFO charge--the larger the diameter the better.

3) The reinforcing container. The better it is reinforced the better. That's why ANFO works so well in solid rock boreholes. The problem with using a PVC or steel pipe for reinforcing the charge is the obvious problem with shrapnel.

Just make sure the ANFO is mixed on site.

ETA: DO NOT PACK THE ANFO. It actually is a lot more sensitive to initiation when it is just poured loose.
Essayons  [Team Member]
8/26/2007 2:35:18 PM EST
I found the following HERE with a quick Google search.

"The problem is only to get a strong boost to set the mixture off. You need at least 30 grams of TNT or stronger to ignite the unconfined stuff. If confined, it can be ignited even with explosives of a lower brisance. . . Another "problem" with unconfined charges is the minimal amount. You have to take at least 5 cm thick layer in every directions around the detonator to get a sure ignition. That means about a kilogram. A kilogram makes a blast that can be heard 7 km away upwind. I know, I have been told that after I had made some tests."

ANFO may or may not fall under the same rules as Tannerite, but it's more likely to attract unwanted attention. I'll pass. I suppose I could research the issue, but I don't see the point. It's not an argument I want to have with the authorities, even if I have a winning argument.

I have a Diesel car, a Kerosene campstove and (usually) used motor oil. I just thought mixing in the right amount of Diesel, Kero or dirty oil might be a fun way to "dispose" of my extra tannerite granules, but I'll just ask Tanner for some more of the powder.

I'm not going to try it, but it sounds like the way to go would be concentric plastic containers of Tannerite, ANFO and water or maybe sand (to confine the charge)...


rangermonroe  [Team Member]
8/26/2007 2:46:52 PM EST
What if you shaped the Tannerite? It would seem that the explosive jet would be hot and forceful enough to set off the main charge.

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