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 Bushmaster vs. Armalite
CJK440  [Member]
10/8/2001 9:05:25 PM
I am looking into buyin an AR-15 type rifle. I have been doing a little window shopping and found 2 rifles that look interesting to me (price wise) Both are new. One is a Bushmaster XM15, 16" barrel & short forearm with fake collapsible stock, asking price is $875 new. The other is an Armalite 20" barrel long forearm and std buttstock. price on this is $899 also new. I guess my question is all things the same who makes a better gun? Looking at the bushmaster I notices machinework wasn't as "clean" at least from a set of in-experienced eyes. The bolt carrier looked more like a part from a AK with horrible machining marks vs a nicely milled carrier from the armalite. The couterperson also mentioned Armalite is a higher quality rifle than the Bushmaster. But again that is a salesperson talking. Whats your guys opinions?
SGB  [Team Member]
10/8/2001 9:08:34 PM
Armalite M15a2...........you won't regret it [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/snipersmilie.gif[/img]
raf  [Site Staff]
10/8/2001 9:08:36 PM
I'd go with the Armalite in this particular instance. not because there's any great diff in quality between the two, but because I dislike the shorty config.
95thFoot  [Team Member]
10/8/2001 9:17:46 PM
ArmaLite M15A2- don't leave home without one. Bushmaster is fine, too, I might get one at some point, but I chose ArmaLite over Bushmaster because of the better quality. And yes, they chamber ANY kind of .223 ammo, in all sorts of conditions. (I've used WOLF, SA, Federal, IMG, S&B, Barnaul, etc. in my ArmaLite, with no feed problems, no jams.) Police depts. all over the US and CDN use them both- no brand-specific problems I've heard about. In my area, both go for the same amount of $- so get the better finish and fit- ArmaLite.
Sumo2000  [Member]
10/8/2001 9:25:18 PM
Both are high quality rifles. In this instance, I'd go for the configuration that you like. Do you want a full size or a shorty? you will probably have no problems and will greatly enjoy either rifle. BTW, the marks on the carrier won't hurt a thing, Mine has them and it is 100% reliable, smooth as silk & accurate as hell (Its a Bushy)
Derek45  [Member]
10/8/2001 9:27:20 PM
[RED][SIZE=5][B]BUSHMASTER[/SIZE=5][/B][/RED]
Troy  [Site Staff]
10/8/2001 9:31:50 PM
Here's the difference: Bushmaster focuses on making *weapons*, and uses Mil-Spec materials, manufacturing methods, and specs to do so. Tens of thousands of configurations are available, including many models with light-weight barrels. Occasionally, they'll have minor cosmetic defects, but nothing that would keep an M16 from being accepted by the military. They use 4150 barrel steel and chrome-line their barrels. They also use the larger, more reliable M16-spec chamber. Armalite focuses on making *target rifles and collector guns*. They make a special effort to make their rifles cosmetically consistant. All of their models are heavy barrels, and limited configurations are available. They use Wilson barrel blanks of 4140 steel (cheaper, but won't last as long) and use a tighter target chamber. This potentially adds accuracy at the expense of reliability. Many Armalites don't run well with hot-loaded military ammo, or edge-of-spec surplus ammo. Both are high-quality, good values, and considered top-tier AR15 manufacturers. So, figure out where YOUR focus is and buy accordingly. -Troy
Jim_Dandy  [Member]
10/8/2001 10:32:39 PM
[quote]They use Wilson barrel blanks of 4140 steel (cheaper, but won't last as long)[/quote] Negative. ArmaLite branded rifles have chrome lined barrels and bores, whereas their Eagle Arms counterparts use chrome moly barrels. If the chamber is tighter, someone forgot to tell my M15A2.
warlord  [Member]
10/8/2001 11:04:53 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By CJK440: One is a Bushmaster XM15, 16" barrel & short forearm with fake collapsible stock, asking price is $875 new. The other is an Armalite 20" barrel long forearm and std buttstock. price on this is $899 also new.[/quote] My personal opinion I would get the Armalite with the 20" BBL. Those fake CAR stocks that don't collapse serves no useful purpose, except maybe a "cool" factor. To me the standard stock would be more comfortable.
VA-gunnut  [Site Staff]
10/8/2001 11:10:24 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By Derek45: [RED][SIZE=5][B]BUSHMASTER[/SIZE=5][/B][/RED][/quote] What he said. If you want a combat style rifle go with Bushy. If you want a target gun go with Armalite.
Troy  [Site Staff]
10/8/2001 11:10:39 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By Jim_Dandy: [quote]They use Wilson barrel blanks of 4140 steel (cheaper, but won't last as long)[/quote] Negative. ArmaLite branded rifles have chrome lined barrels and bores, whereas their Eagle Arms counterparts use chrome moly barrels. If the chamber is tighter, someone forgot to tell my M15A2.[/quote] Both Armalite and Eagle Arms rifles use barrels made from Wilson barrel blanks. Armalites are available in non-chrome-lined 416 stainless steel or chrome-lined 4140 chromemoly steel. Eagle Arms are available only in un-lined 4140. All of their rifles have a tigher chamber, as confirmed directly from Armalite's lead engineer. His post was on the old board. I'm not just spewing unchecked misinformation... -Troy
Troy  [Site Staff]
10/8/2001 11:13:40 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By warlord: My personal opinion I would get the Armalite with the 20" BBL. Those fake CAR stocks that don't collapse serves no useful purpose, except maybe a "cool" factor. To me the standard stock would be more comfortable.[/quote] My advice would be: if you want a target rifle, get the Armalite model you like. If you want a weapon, buy a Bushmaster [b]complete lower[/b] from your dealer, and order an upper built to your specs directly from Bushmaster. That way, you can get exactly what you want. -Troy
Sukebe  [Member]
10/8/2001 11:25:23 PM
We sincerely hope this answers your question. Choice between an Armalite or a Bushmaster? Yes.
HUNTER223  [Team Member]
10/8/2001 11:26:06 PM
You might wanna take a look here [url]www.colt.com[/url] before getting one of those rifles. HUNTER FROM ARGENTINA OUT.
NelsonMandela  [Member]
10/9/2001 12:05:28 AM
To hell with Colt. Their pre-ban and early post-ban AR15s were pretty outstanding, but their new production rifles suffer from some serious quality control defects. I'd personally stick with a company like Bushmaster, which has a solid reputation for quality products (as well as a solid reputation for not selling out their civilian customers). In addition, I strongly feel that Colt has sold out its civilian customers in light of politically correct politics. This is reflected not only by their shoddy worksmanship in civilian rifles, but also in gun cosmetics. Ever notice hold Colt started altering their rifles even before the company was required to do so by Federal Law? This can be seen in the Blue Labels without bayo lugs, and the goddamn sear blocks in all of their current production rifles. As I last recall, Bushmaster didn't cave in to pressure until the company was forced to. Nevertheless, while some might attribute this post to my "misguided" opinion about Colt, I'm still sure that there are more people out there who'd agree with me than disagree.
Jim_Dandy  [Member]
10/9/2001 12:08:42 AM
[quote]All of their rifles have a tigher chamber, as confirmed directly from Armalite's lead engineer.[/quote] Like I said, someone forgot to tell my M15A2.
95thFoot  [Team Member]
10/9/2001 12:24:26 AM
[quote]Originally Posted By Jim_Dandy: [quote]All of their rifles have a tigher chamber, as confirmed directly from Armalite's lead engineer.[/quote] Like I said, someone forgot to tell my M15A2.[/quote] News to me and mine as well. If both are about the same price, go with the quality- you can't go wrong.
Jim_Dandy  [Member]
10/9/2001 12:31:14 AM
[quote]If both are about the same price, go with the quality.[/quote] That's what decided it for me. I don't have anything against Bushmaster at all, but when I was shopping for an A2-type rifle, I was able to get my ArmaLite for $710. About the same price as a Bushmaster.
dogbert4-1  [Member]
10/9/2001 12:47:14 AM
You'll never find the perfect for everything rifle. So just flip a coin and chose your first.
M15A2  [Team Member]
10/9/2001 12:48:24 AM
<------- I haven't had any problems with my chamber being to tight. I have had no malfunctions. The finish is beautiful. The quality is top notch. Go with the ArmaLite.
rg00red  [Member]
10/9/2001 1:41:07 AM
Chevy v. Ford Both are reputable makers. "Do what you will, just don't expect to any kind of consistent answer."
CJK440  [Member]
10/9/2001 8:16:06 AM
I'm leaning toward the Armalite due to it's configuration. I like the full stock and 20" barrel. But now I'm worried that I might have problems with low end ammo (PMC, Sellier & Bellot etc. etc.) Does anybody have an Armalite and actualy have problems associated with the "tighter" chamber & low end ammo? Also are the prices I quoted unreasonable for a new rifle? I know prices have jumped a little after Sept-11th.
Jim_Dandy  [Member]
10/9/2001 8:45:56 AM
I have not had any problems with any ammo that I've fed my ArmaLite and that includes South African and PMC. I'd like to see a cerrosafe casting of these so-called "tight" chambers. As for pricing, if you can get someone to receive and transfer a rifle, you might think about contacting Mike at Precision Armory [url]http://www.precisionarmory.com[/url] or Gary at Sportsman Supply (a frequent contributor to this board). They might be able to save you $150 or so.
ScaryGuy  [Member]
10/9/2001 9:00:17 AM
Don't let opinions on this thread convince you that Bushy is somehow inferior in quality to Armalite. Bushmaster is every bit as high quality than Armalite or any other make for that matter, and IMO, a better value than any. Bushy makes practical use weapons, Armalite makes pretty Ohh and Ahh weapons. FWIW, Fit and finish on my Bushy is perfect. Best advice is to decide on the things that are most important to you in the gun ("pretty" vs. practical) configuration that best matches the type of use you anticipate for the rifle(Overall general use, blasting, Defense, match shooting etc...) and choose the manufacturer YOU like best that fits those criteria best for you and buy accordingly. This isn't about my opinion as a multiple Bushmaster owner, nor anyone else's opinion on the board as an Armalite owner, but about YOUR money and YOUR rifle. Both are top end AR makers, and you should be happy and have a quality rifle with either one. Congrats on whichever new baby you decide to bring home! ENJOY IT!
Jim_Dandy  [Member]
10/9/2001 9:11:36 AM
And here's one about Bushmaster trouble: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=49587[/url] So what? Anyone can post anonymously and make up any cock 'n bull story to fit the situation. SFW. That story is nigh impossible to believe. The only difference between it and a fairy tale is a fairy tale starts out, "Once upon a time...."
PINGi3  [Member]
10/9/2001 9:25:02 AM
This thread is turning into another one of those "Tastes great!" / "Less filling!" pi$$ing matches.[:\] The fact of the matter is both Bushmaster and Armalite are good solid weapons (period). Personally, I favor Bushmaster. But if I only had one AR I'd choose a 20" rifle. So, do whatever you want. It's your money. You won't be disappointed with either choice. So, make up your mind so you can get to the range and get blastin'![heavy]
The_Beer_Slayer  [Site Staff]
10/9/2001 9:39:41 AM
the bottom line is this. Both are top notch rifles. For 20.00 diff. the armalite gets you a lifetime warranty. I have also never had a problem with a tight chamber. My conversation when i was looking with armalite lead me to beleive they are milspec just as is bushmaster. I do believe the armalite finish is better. Either rifle will more than do the job. mike
Jim_Dandy  [Member]
10/9/2001 9:42:02 AM
[quote]The fact of the matter is both Bushmaster and Armalite are good solid weapons (period).[/quote] I think I posted something to this effect earlier, but apparently a few people's emotions overlooked it when they were busy tearing down one brand over another. I don't have anything against Bushmaster and truth be told, don't really have a preference. However, when I went shopping for a complete rifle, I was able to get a better deal on an ArmaLite than I could a Bushmaster.
Rich314  [Member]
10/9/2001 9:48:13 AM
I`m fond of the reptile that sounds like a rattlesnake but doesn`t have a rattle as pictured on the excellent Bushmaster
A2_CARBINE  [Member]
10/9/2001 10:09:48 AM
Just put your hand over your eyes and grab one. They the same really,same parts from the same place. Colt,Bushmaster buy all the same parts but Armalite buys about 1/2 from the same people. Thats way try are the top 3. I know lots of guys with a colt lower and a bushy upper and so on,as long as the gun is 5.56 and NOT .223 it will eat any ammo. The thing I really like about Armalite is they have really good comps. that come on the gun in there post-ban set up.
CJK440  [Member]
10/9/2001 11:35:13 AM
[quote]as long as the gun is 5.56 and NOT .223 it will eat any ammo. [/quote] ???? Excuse my ignorance but I thought they were on in the same????
PINGi3  [Member]
10/9/2001 12:21:54 PM
Whatever you do DON'T BUY HESSE![BD]
stltodd  [Member]
10/9/2001 6:34:43 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By CJK440: [quote]as long as the gun is 5.56 and NOT .223 it will eat any ammo. [/quote] ???? Excuse my ignorance but I thought they were on in the same????[/quote] They are not quite the same as discussed in this SAAMI Tech Bulletin: SAAMI SPORTING ARMS AND AMMUNITION MANUFACTURERS' INSTITUTE, INC. Technical Office P.O. Box 338 Branford, CT 06405-0338 With the appearance of full metal jacket military 5.56 ammunition on the commercial Market, it has come to the attention of the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI) that the use of military 5.56 mm ammunition in sporting rifles chambered for Cal. 223 Remington cartridges can lead to higher-than-normal chamber pressures and possible hazards for the firearm, its user and bystanders. Tests have confirmed that chamber pressures in a sporting rifle may be significantly higher in the same gun when using military 5.56nm ammunition rather than commercially loaded Cal. 223 Remington cartridges, according to SAAMI. SAAMI points out that chambers for military rifles have a different throat configuration than chambers for sporting firearms which, together with the full metal jacket of the military projectile, may account for the higher pressures which result when military ammunition is fired in a sporting chamber. SAAMI recommends that a firearm be fired only with the cartridge for which it is specifically chambered by the manufacturer. Issued -January 31, 1979
ar50troll  [Member]
10/9/2001 6:40:31 PM
Flip a coin. Then buy the other brand next [;)]