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 Is tannerite worth the price?
ak007  [Member]
6/10/2007 8:02:43 AM EST
The subject says it all. Please first hand experience only.
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Punani  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 5:13:12 AM EST
About as much as fireworks.
Blow through your money in one big bang.

It's fun stuff though.
ak007  [Member]
6/2/2007 6:45:38 AM EST
Well I like fireworks so I guess I would love these.

Are they really as powerfull as they sound.
AROKIE  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 7:00:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By ak007:
Well I like fireworks so I guess I would love these.

Are they really as powerfull as they sound.



uhh i guess you havnt seen the tannerite shockwave video yet.
vengarr  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 7:09:08 AM EST
yes, worth it and awesome fun to stuff it into stuffed animals and then shoot it.
Zhukov  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 7:28:07 AM EST
Not if you can find Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer. In that case, tannerite is about 10x too expensive...

But yeah - it's fun to do either way.
badazzar15  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 8:01:03 AM EST
is there an alternative to tannerite?
v-dawg  [Member]
6/2/2007 8:04:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Not if you can find Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer. In that case, tannerite is about 10x too expensive...

But yeah - it's fun to do either way.


I would be very careful about making your own explosives without permission. In fact I wouldn't do it at all.

Tannerite could cost a million bucks and it would still be cheaper than losing my freedom.
BillofRights  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 8:06:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By ak007:
Well I like fireworks so I guess I would love these.

Are they really as powerfull as they sound.




It's actually More powerful than it sounds.
Zhukov  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 8:08:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By v-dawg:

Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Not if you can find Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer. In that case, tannerite is about 10x too expensive...

But yeah - it's fun to do either way.


I would be very careful about making your own explosives without permission. In fact I wouldn't do it at all.

Tannerite could cost a million bucks and it would still be cheaper than losing my freedom.


What do you think Tannerite is?

[ETA] Better yet - what do you think Tannerite is made out of?
v-dawg  [Member]
6/2/2007 9:13:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Originally Posted By v-dawg:

Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Not if you can find Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer. In that case, tannerite is about 10x too expensive...

But yeah - it's fun to do either way.


I would be very careful about making your own explosives without permission. In fact I wouldn't do it at all.

Tannerite could cost a million bucks and it would still be cheaper than losing my freedom.


What do you think Tannerite is?

[ETA] Better yet - what do you think Tannerite is made out of?


I am not arguing ingredients, just permission.

If you can buy a package off the shelf of pre-mix ingredients (tannerite), you have a defense, but if you are purchasing the ingredients and mixing them on your own you may be in violation of something I am not willing to risk.
Zhukov  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 3:18:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By v-dawg:
If you can buy a package off the shelf of pre-mix ingredients (tannerite), you have a defense, but if you are purchasing the ingredients and mixing them on your own you may be in violation of something I am not willing to risk.


Someone posted a link to a BATF rule excerpt specifically dealing with binary explosives. They are specifically allowed IF they are used as soon as they're mixed. I saved it on my other computer and can dig it up for reference in case anyone's interested.

If a LEO is ignorant of the law, he won't care whether the bottle has a factory label on it or not, unfortunately.
azhammer  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 3:34:37 PM EST
YES, I think it's worth it


Very fun stuff, but as Zhukov said.....making your own is much cheeper, so BIG BOOMS like this one dont hurt your wallet so bad.
baldmax  [Member]
6/2/2007 3:49:27 PM EST
Dan runs a special every now and then, try to pick it up then. It is well worth the price.
Gixxersixxer  [Member]
6/2/2007 4:16:13 PM EST
Making your own from ammonium nitrate and 500 mesh aluminum powder is cheaper.

95% AN, 5% Al. Use the purest ammonium nitrate you can find. Best found at farm supply stores.

Stick the shit in a ziploc bag and wrap it with duct tape, no need to save soda bottles or buy bottles.

It's not illegal. The ATF has just one care about the binary explosive. You must use it once you mix it. You can't mix it and store it. If LEO is ignorant about binary explosives your ass will be just as screwed with a commercial product.
M4builder  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 6:48:24 PM EST
Ammonium nitrate...like in chemical cold packs? Pure cyrystal form? ..hehe
ShamusMcOI  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 7:13:13 PM EST
love the stuff myself.........and yup, cheap and easy to mix up yourself. for some reason it seems to be fun to put in old washing machines.........
Smak101  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 7:19:13 PM EST
the stuff is sweet.... If you have the money, you won't be dissapointed.
quijanos  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 7:35:36 PM EST
By the case?

Buy the case

Sure it is. Why not?
twonami  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 7:39:22 PM EST
it's worth it only if you like blowing shit up
sledhead907  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 7:42:24 PM EST
It's worth it. Left out in the open it appears to be "weak". Confine the explosion, and it will change your mind pretty quick. The stuff is awesome.

1/2 lb. charge put on top of a 3' x 2' box.

soowah  [Team Member]
6/2/2007 7:57:16 PM EST
1/2lb tannerite in a spongebob pinata.

Spongebob gets it.

I've got a 5lb homebrew one blasting a beaver dam somewhear, can't find it now.
Unka-Boo  [Member]
6/2/2007 9:23:09 PM EST
Oh, it's too much fun....OR crew, Jan. '06...me shooting the vid...


BOOM

We were about 100 yds away, I think that was 4 or 5 containers, mixed in a gallon ziplock bag...
ak007  [Member]
6/3/2007 3:53:52 AM EST
I guess I will need to try some. I just wish that there was a place around here that sold the AN.
GIJ0E  [Member]
6/3/2007 10:03:49 AM EST

Making your own from ammonium nitrate and 500 mesh aluminum powder is cheaper.


+1


Ammonium nitrate...like in chemical cold packs? Pure cyrystal form? ..hehe


+1

From my understanding it's not illegal to make your own.
This is why you have to mix your own tannerite, legal stuff involved if it's pre-mixed.

We put them in film canisters though.
Free from wally world.

Or tums bottles to do some punkin chunkin
Gabriel_30  [Team Member]
6/3/2007 10:21:02 AM EST
How are ya'll detonating this stuff? And why AL powder, I thought lighter fluid was best if used quickly?
5Shot  [Team Member]
6/3/2007 10:21:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By v-dawg:

Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Originally Posted By v-dawg:

Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Not if you can find Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer. In that case, tannerite is about 10x too expensive...

But yeah - it's fun to do either way.


I would be very careful about making your own explosives without permission. In fact I wouldn't do it at all.

Tannerite could cost a million bucks and it would still be cheaper than losing my freedom.


What do you think Tannerite is?

[ETA] Better yet - what do you think Tannerite is made out of?


I am not arguing ingredients, just permission.

If you can buy a package off the shelf of pre-mix ingredients (tannerite), you have a defense, but if you are purchasing the ingredients and mixing them on your own you may be in violation of something I am not willing to risk.


Nothing illegal about it. I have talked to the BATF personally, and they even faxed me the page that talks about the exemption.

As long as it is for personal use and you don't transport it (after mixing the componenets) you can make explosives without any licensing.

If AN Fertilizer was easily obtainable, I don't think Tannerite would be worth the money, but since there isn't, I would say it is as much fun as can be had for $100 without risk of a mug shot
azhammer  [Team Member]
6/3/2007 12:06:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By ShamusMcOI:
love the stuff myself.........and yup, cheap and easy to mix up yourself. for some reason it seems to be fun to put in old washing machines.........



This was my Dads birthday present this year.....the winning shot on a washer dryer set. We were 100 yrds away and after it was all said and done we found ourselves picking up debri 90 yrds away from the blast site! Its hard to tell ( i'm not the best camera man) But the explosion sent a mushroom cloud about 10-20 feet higher than the nearby power lines.........80ft.?

15lbs of Tannerite.



BOOOOM!!













Gixxersixxer  [Member]
6/3/2007 12:29:08 PM EST
The AN/AL mixture needs a high velocity round to set it off. If you diligently do your research there is this:
1500 grams ammonium nitrate prills
400 grams potassium chlorate, 200 mesh
3 tablespoons ethylene glycol (antifreeze)

Mix the ethylene glycol with the AN until blended well
Mix in the pot chlorate
It should look like cottage cheese
Seal in an airtight container but DO NOT pack it must be fluffy to detonate easily.
.22 stingers with set that stuff off.

If you don't know what you're doing then leave that stuff alone. Addition of pot chlorate makes things a lot more unstable and easily set off. If stupid things like sunlight, metal container/spoons, etc are overlooked then you can be in a world of hurt. A 1/2 lb is deadly.

You need fine Al powder to get the best results from AN/AL. The 500-600 mesh provides more surface area for the reaction to occur. It's like 1 pound of #8 shot versus 1 pound of BB's. You have a pound of stuff in there but there is more surface area exposed of the #8 shot than the BB's.
number40Fan  [Member]
6/3/2007 1:11:25 PM EST
I love the stuff too.

Tannerite

Cops were called, the fire department was dispatched. When the cops showed up we were shooting my .50 cal and they were more interested in seeing it than asking what had happened.
azhammer  [Team Member]
6/3/2007 2:17:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By number40Fan:
I love the stuff too.

Tannerite

Cops were called, the fire department was dispatched. When the cops showed up we were shooting my .50 cal and they were more interested in seeing it than asking what had happened.



[sniff, sniff] Brings a tear to my eye.....
swgaboy  [Team Member]
6/8/2007 2:40:05 PM EST
tannerite is fun

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C7YcwUxlEQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUyPhohACAM
rdblan2  [Team Member]
6/9/2007 4:25:53 PM EST
Worth every penny.
buckfever34  [Team Member]
6/9/2007 4:36:19 PM EST
It's fun, A LOT of fun.
P08  [Team Member]
6/9/2007 5:20:13 PM EST
Unfortunately we did not get a vid of the refrigerator we blew up.
Tannerite vs dryer
PaulE  [Industry Partner]
6/10/2007 6:26:29 AM EST
Tannerite =
SorryOciffer  [Member]
6/10/2007 7:56:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By M4builder:
Ammonium nitrate...like in chemical cold packs? Pure cyrystal form? ..hehe


They put it in cold ice packs?



S.O.
sailhertoo  [Team Member]
6/10/2007 8:21:07 AM EST
Where do you find 500 mesh Al powder ? Is that something you can buy local?
Lon_Moer  [Member]
6/10/2007 8:25:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By Gabriel_30:
How are ya'll detonating this stuff?

You shoot it.
Taxman  [Team Member]
6/10/2007 8:25:57 AM EST
I need to get/make some

I agree with the film canister amount, get a good boom with less tannerite then normal bottle
Pangea  [Team Member]
6/10/2007 8:36:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By sailhertoo:
Where do you find 500 mesh Al powder ? Is that something you can buy local?


Skylighter.com has it. Doesn't cost much either.
Keith_J  [Team Member]
6/10/2007 8:42:20 AM EST
What is the deal with Tannerite making profanity flow?
UmpaLumpa  [Member]
6/10/2007 8:49:45 AM EST
How long does mixed tannerite stay viable?
Alien  [Team Member]
6/10/2007 8:53:32 AM EST
I wanna make my own but I'm skeered!
VTHOKIESHOOTER  [Team Member]
6/10/2007 8:55:49 AM EST
The only other way you will get into trouble with tannerite is if you make things that may cause someone to believe that you have created a destructive device such as something that may produce shrapnel or fragments, say putting it in a pipe with nails or ball bearrings.
FLAL1A  [Team Member]
6/10/2007 9:02:11 AM EST
If you have someplace to use it,


Oh, Hell yes.
Gravity_Tester  [Team Member]
6/10/2007 9:03:56 AM EST
Here's 250 lbs being set off with a 90mm anti-tank gun.



And having shot both, side by side, this stuff is better. By far. The rimfire mix can be set off with #7 shot if it's wrapped in aluminum foil--exploding skeet!
AROKIE  [Team Member]
7/2/2007 5:25:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By UmpaLumpa:
How long does mixed tannerite stay viable?



your not allowed to store it mixed, once mixed you must detonate it.
Windustsearch  [Member]
7/2/2007 5:35:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By Gabriel_30:
How are ya'll detonating this stuff? And why AL powder, I thought lighter fluid was best if used quickly?


You detonate it by simply shooting it with a high velocity rifle.
Followthehollow  [Team Member]
7/2/2007 5:42:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By Pangea:

Originally Posted By sailhertoo:
Where do you find 500 mesh Al powder ? Is that something you can buy local?


Skylighter.com has it. Doesn't cost much either.



Looks like their "new policy on dark aluminum powder" auto declines your purchase if your first one is aluminum powder. Is this true?
Sturmgewehr-58  [Team Member]
7/2/2007 5:46:34 AM EST
www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/29/chemicals.found/index.html?iref=newssearch

N.Y. chemicals were to be resold on Internet, police say

NEW YORK (CNN) -- A man who stored nearly 1,500 pounds of potassium nitrate and other chemicals in his Staten Island home and a nearby storage facility was charged with reckless endangerment Friday, according to the New York City Police Department.

Police said Miguel Serrano, 57, had bought the chemicals in bulk from an Ohio-based dealer and was intending to resell them in smaller quantities on the Internet. It was the dealer who tipped off the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after Serrano had ordered 5,000 pounds of potassium nitrate, according to a police report.

According to New York Police Sgt. Kevin Hayes, authorities found less than a thousand pounds of chemicals in the home, including potassium nitrate, sulfur, mercury, and peroxide. At the off-site storage facility, authorities found about 1,500 pounds of chemicals, mainly potassium nitrate.

Late Thursday night, several residential blocks were cordoned off and a few dozen homes were evacuated in Staten Island as police searched Serrano's home and a nearby commercial storage facility.

The NYPD's Paul Brown said there is no indication the chemicals were being used for bomb-making or anything terror-related.
According to Brown, the man was buying the chemicals in bulk and reselling them on the Internet.

Potassium nitrate can be used to make gunpowder and rocket fuel or to clean septic tanks. It can also be used to cure meats.

Police said Serrano has been cooperating with investigators.

ATF officials said no violations of federal explosives laws were discovered, but added that chemical-storage rules may have been violated.

Small quantities of hydrogen peroxide, potassium permanganate, elemental mercury, iodine, sulfur, ammonium dichromate, and aluminum powder were also recovered during the raid, police said.
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