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 How do you pronounce "Molon Labe"?
Silas  [Member]
3/4/2007 5:07:29 PM EST
I'm not sure if I'm saying it right.


Molon: mow-lahn?

Molon: mah-lahn?

Labe: rymes with babe?

Labe: lay-bee?
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Pangea  [Member]
3/4/2007 5:08:59 PM EST
Mow-lone lah-vay
roboman  [Team Member]
3/4/2007 5:10:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By Pangea:
Mow-lone lah-vay


This man wins.
Dsparil  [Member]
3/4/2007 5:10:45 PM EST
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.
MagKnightX  [Team Member]
3/4/2007 5:10:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By Silas:
I'm not sure if I'm saying it right.


Molon: mow-lahn?

Molon: mah-lahn?

Labe: rymes with babe?

Labe: lay-bee?


In the Spartan times, it would be approximately mo-LONE la-BEY. In modern pronunciation, mo-LONE la-VEY.

In IPA, ancient would be [mo.'lɔːn la.'be] or, modern [mo.'lon la.'ve].

The polytonic Greek is written Μολὼν Λαβέ or monotonic all-caps ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ (which would use the same accent marks for polytonic writing, but I can't type them)
N1Rampage  [Member]
3/4/2007 5:12:27 PM EST
In before posting of mispelt tattooes.
Pangea  [Member]
3/4/2007 5:12:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.


Except you, huh hero.
The_Muffin_Man  [Member]
3/4/2007 5:13:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.

Ok, you're not on my team
Silas  [Member]
3/6/2007 3:42:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By Pangea:
Mow-lone lah-vay


Thanks.

I was way off.
XDBACKUPGUN  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 3:44:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.






Towely  [Member]
3/6/2007 3:51:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.


efpeter  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 3:56:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Muffin_Man:

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.

Ok, you're not on my team



Max_Mike  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:00:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.


OH… OH… OH… OH… OH…

Look at me I am so special.
SPECTRE  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:05:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.


WoW.......a internet tough guy.
CultureJammer  [Member]
3/6/2007 4:08:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.


WoW.......a internet tough guy.


Technically it's all the meek people who post Molon Labe!!!!!!!!!!!!! online who are the internet tough guys.
hourglassing  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:10:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.


Buddy, face the fact that not everyone shares your inadequacies.
jrnuss  [Member]
3/6/2007 4:24:24 PM EST
OK, now I know how it's pronounced, but what do it mean?
JPratt06  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:27:40 PM EST
"Come and get them"
jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:28:11 PM EST
The correct pronunciation is

molone labe

I had two years of Greek. The molon lave is using the Modern Greek way of pronouncing it.
Nephilim  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:32:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.



You should test your theory.
jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:34:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By Nephilim:

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.



You should test your theory.


"No one on this board" - like Diesel07 (I believe that's his name), the Navy Cross recipient who charged and destroyed Iraqi soldiers with whatever weapons he could get his hands on?
Paveway_  [Member]
3/6/2007 4:36:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By Pangea:
Mow-lone lah-vay


This man wins.


V is the modern greek, ancient greek its be, Lah Bey.
KIDGLOCK  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:36:49 PM EST

Mow-lone lah-vay
Pang has got it



a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to


Since when do you speak for me asshat ???




Technically it's all the meek people who post Molon Labe!!!!!!!!!!!!! online who are the internet tough guys


Easy troll boy , your on thin ice .


ET: I blew post 762 on trolls .......................OK Im good .
jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:37:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By Pangea:
Mow-lone lah-vay


This man wins.


V is the modern greek, ancient greek its be, Lah Bey.


Yep.
Schulze  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:44:36 PM EST
Μολὼν Λαβέ

The second syllable of Μολὼν is accented with a grave, which is a falling pitch accent. The accent of Λαβέ is acute and is a rising pitch. Greek is fun to pronounce, especially with circumflex accents.
KIDGLOCK  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:45:21 PM EST
The story of Molon Labe
jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:47:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By Schulze:
Μολὼν Λαβέ

The second syllable of Μολὼν is accented with a grave, which is a falling pitch accent. The accent of Λαβέ is acute and is a rising pitch. Greek is fun to pronounce, especially with circumflex accents.


To translate: Molone lah-be, the h forcing the pitch rise, I guess. The beta does not sound like a "v" in Classical Greek.
Schulze  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:49:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By Schulze:
Μολὼν Λαβέ

The second syllable of Μολὼν is accented with a grave, which is a falling pitch accent. The accent of Λαβέ is acute and is a rising pitch. Greek is fun to pronounce, especially with circumflex accents.


To translate: Molone lah-be, the h forcing the pitch rise, I guess. The beta does not sound like a "v" in Classical Greek.


I think your "translation" is worse than my post (No offence) - the accents speak for themselves. My professor at W&M would pronounce some hybrid - I couldn't tell if it was a b or v.
BaxterStockman  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:50:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Schulze:
Μολὼν Λαβέ

The second syllable of Μολὼν is accented with a grave, which is a falling pitch accent. The accent of Λαβέ is acute and is a rising pitch. Greek is fun to pronounce, especially with circumflex accents.


I'm almost positive that omega can only take a circumflex accent. I'm sure the accents on the hat are incorrect. Also pretty sure that the imperative LABE is accented on the first, not second, syllable. Will update on Thursday when I get back home to my Greek library.
jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:52:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By Schulze:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By Schulze:
Μολὼν Λαβέ

The second syllable of Μολὼν is accented with a grave, which is a falling pitch accent. The accent of Λαβέ is acute and is a rising pitch. Greek is fun to pronounce, especially with circumflex accents.


To translate: Molone lah-be, the h forcing the pitch rise, I guess. The beta does not sound like a "v" in Classical Greek.


I think your "translation" is worse than my post (No offence) - the accents speak for themselves. My professor at W&M would pronounce some hybrid - I couldn't tell if it was a b or v.


You would be incorrect. Greek, like Latin, has multiple accepted pronunciations. There are two schools of how to pronounce latin - the classical way, and the way that uses modern Italian pronunciation, as you would hear Latin spoken in the Vatican. In the same way, Ancient Greek is pronounced in two ways, the way Modern Greek speakers would pronounce it, and the way authorities like Erasmus believed the ancients pronounced it. If you would truly want to say it the way the Spartans said it, the Erasmus pronuciation would be closer than the modern Greek pronunciation. Hence, the assertion that the beta sounds more like a "b" than a "v", the Erasmusian interpretation.
jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 4:57:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By BaxterStockman:

Originally Posted By Schulze:
Μολὼν Λαβέ

The second syllable of Μολὼν is accented with a grave, which is a falling pitch accent. The accent of Λαβέ is acute and is a rising pitch. Greek is fun to pronounce, especially with circumflex accents.


I'm almost positive that omega can only take a circumflex accent. I'm sure the accents on the hat are incorrect. Also pretty sure that the imperative LABE is accented on the first, not second, syllable. Will update on Thursday when I get back home to my Greek library.


You are correct, I believe. It has been nearly thirty years since I had my classes, but I believe you are correct.
muddydog  [Member]
3/6/2007 5:01:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By Nephilim:

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.



You should test your theory.


"No one on this board" - like Diesel07 (I believe that's his name), the Bronze Star recipient who charged and destroyed Iraqi soldiers with whatever weapons he could get his hands on?


SimplyDynamic wasnt too shabby either on the rooftop..
jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:03:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By muddydog:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By Nephilim:

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.



You should test your theory.


"No one on this board" - like Diesel07 (I believe that's his name), the Bronze Star recipient who charged and destroyed Iraqi soldiers with whatever weapons he could get his hands on?


SimplyDynamic wasnt too shabby either on the rooftop..


And he has the video to prove it, I believe.
BaxterStockman  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:05:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By BaxterStockman:

Originally Posted By Schulze:
Μολὼν Λαβέ

The second syllable of Μολὼν is accented with a grave, which is a falling pitch accent. The accent of Λαβέ is acute and is a rising pitch. Greek is fun to pronounce, especially with circumflex accents.


I'm almost positive that omega can only take a circumflex accent. I'm sure the accents on the hat are incorrect. Also pretty sure that the imperative LABE is accented on the first, not second, syllable. Will update on Thursday when I get back home to my Greek library.


You are correct, I believe. It has been nearly thirty years since I had my classes, but I believe you are correct.


Thanks. If I weren't drunk I would try and figure it out for real now. I'm almost 100% positive it's pronounced

maw-LONE LAH-beh

this is coming from 8 semesters of ancient Greek (and counting), but drunk. So take it with a grain of salt.


ETA modern greek pronunciations (like saying LAVE for LABE) are irrelevant since this phrase was uttered in Ancient Greek.
C-4  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:07:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.


Not true. Your sister lived up to those words at the last gang-bang.
jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:08:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By C-4:

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.


Not true. Your sister lived up to those words at the last gang-bang.


I understand getting pissed off at the post, but please don't get the thread locked, if you don't mind.
Pangea  [Member]
3/6/2007 5:10:36 PM EST
How do you pronounce "Molon Labe"?

I believe this ^ was the original question and since I'm neither ancient nor Greek STFU about how I pronounce Molon Labe.
jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:12:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By Pangea:
How do you pronounce "Molon Labe"?

I believe this ^ was the original question and since I'm neither ancient nor Greek STFU about how I pronounce Molon Labe.


I see we have a LEGAL mind joining the fray. Details, details. You have chosen ONE interpretion. Of course, the alternate interpretation would be placing an equal emphasis on "do" and "you" - meaning What is the CORRECT way of pronouncing "Molon Labe".
walrus  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:14:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By Nephilim:

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.



You should test your theory.


"No one on this board" - like Diesel07 (I believe that's his name), the Bronze Star recipient who charged and destroyed Iraqi soldiers with whatever weapons he could get his hands on?


Captain Chontosh was awarded the Navy Cross for his actions, not the Bronze Star
Zaphod  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:14:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By Nephilim:

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.



You should test your theory.


"No one on this board" - like Diesel07 (I believe that's his name), the Bronze Star recipient who charged and destroyed Iraqi soldiers with whatever weapons he could get his hands on?


Uh.... That was a Navy Cross, wasn't it?


ETA: Beaten to it.
jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:15:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By Nephilim:

Originally Posted By Dsparil:
a worthless series of words that no one on this board or anyone related to anyone else on this board will ever live up to.



You should test your theory.


"No one on this board" - like Diesel07 (I believe that's his name), the Bronze Star recipient who charged and destroyed Iraqi soldiers with whatever weapons he could get his hands on?


Uh.... That was a Navy Cross, wasn't it?


Yes, it was - sorry for the egregious error. I am an old fart, please cut me some slack. I will correct the original post.
Schulze  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:17:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By Schulze:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By Schulze:
Μολὼν Λαβέ

The second syllable of Μολὼν is accented with a grave, which is a falling pitch accent. The accent of Λαβέ is acute and is a rising pitch. Greek is fun to pronounce, especially with circumflex accents.


To translate: Molone lah-be, the h forcing the pitch rise, I guess. The beta does not sound like a "v" in Classical Greek.


I think your "translation" is worse than my post (No offence) - the accents speak for themselves. My professor at W&M would pronounce some hybrid - I couldn't tell if it was a b or v.


You would be incorrect. Greek, like Latin, has multiple accepted pronunciations. There are two schools of how to pronounce latin - the classical way, and the way that uses modern Italian pronunciation, as you would hear Latin spoken in the Vatican. In the same way, Ancient Greek is pronounced in two ways, the way Modern Greek speakers would pronounce it, and the way authorities like Erasmus believed the ancients pronounced it. If you would truly want to say it the way the Spartans said it, the Erasmus pronuciation would be closer than the modern Greek pronunciation. Hence, the assertion that the beta sounds more like a "b" than a "v", the Erasmusian interpretation.


Yes, I can read wikipedia too. I know you want reaaaalllly hard to be "the man" here, but I wasn't saying it was the "right" way - just how he pronounced it. Sorry for the lack of clarity.
jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:19:49 PM EST
Diesel07 aka Brian Chontosh, Navy Cross Recipient

www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/THISWILLMAKEYOUPROUD.HTML

jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:22:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Schulze:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By Schulze:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By Schulze:
Μολὼν Λαβέ

The second syllable of Μολὼν is accented with a grave, which is a falling pitch accent. The accent of Λαβέ is acute and is a rising pitch. Greek is fun to pronounce, especially with circumflex accents.


To translate: Molone lah-be, the h forcing the pitch rise, I guess. The beta does not sound like a "v" in Classical Greek.


I think your "translation" is worse than my post (No offence) - the accents speak for themselves. My professor at W&M would pronounce some hybrid - I couldn't tell if it was a b or v.


You would be incorrect. Greek, like Latin, has multiple accepted pronunciations. There are two schools of how to pronounce latin - the classical way, and the way that uses modern Italian pronunciation, as you would hear Latin spoken in the Vatican. In the same way, Ancient Greek is pronounced in two ways, the way Modern Greek speakers would pronounce it, and the way authorities like Erasmus believed the ancients pronounced it. If you would truly want to say it the way the Spartans said it, the Erasmus pronuciation would be closer than the modern Greek pronunciation. Hence, the assertion that the beta sounds more like a "b" than a "v", the Erasmusian interpretation.


Yes, I can read wikipedia too. I know you want reaaaalllly hard to be "the man" here, but I wasn't saying it was the "right" way - just how he pronounced it. Sorry for the lack of clarity.


I did not get my information from Wikipedia. Like I said, I studied Greek and Latin (and Hebrew). I am not trying to get into some sort of contest with you, I was merely stating what I believed to be the case. The reason I first learned about the multiple pronounciations of Ancient Greek is that we had two Greek Ladies in my first semester of Greek, and they constantly got the pronunciation incorrect,. The teacher corrected them numerous times. They failed the class, that may have been one reason. We had to do readings during the class from the classics.

ETA: If you would like, I will scan my records from college, blur certain parts containing personal information, and fax them to you tomorrow.
Schulze  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:29:01 PM EST
No, I believe you.
diabolical_chicken  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:29:32 PM EST
only on arfcom, folks
jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:30:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By Schulze:
No, I believe you.


Let me add that you seem to be very scholarly, and I greatly respect that. This is just a disagreement on a minor matter, a debate, that is all. I do not intend it to be any other way.
Schulze  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:49:57 PM EST
Well, I was going to look up the circumflex question, but the perseus server so agonizingly slow (as always) that I gave up.

jks, I was a classics major for a couple of years before switching to biology. Don't ever do that!
jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 5:52:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By Schulze:
Well, I was going to look up the circumflex question, but the perseus server so agonizingly slow (as always) that I gave up.

jks, I was a classics major for a couple of years before switching to biology. Don't ever do that!


Sounds like sound advice to me...
NevisRuprecht  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 6:14:04 PM EST
A drunk Greecian speaking Latin would say "MOAR LABIA"
MisterWilson  [Team Member]
3/6/2007 6:24:21 PM EST
So in Molon Labe, which word means "Come" and which works means "Take them"?
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