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 Are mortars legal?
ar-steve  [Member]
4/24/2006 3:09:00 PM EST
does anyone know?
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FlamingGlory  [Member]
4/24/2006 3:09:34 PM EST
NFA DD
gaspain  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 3:11:07 PM EST
if you dont know how to spell "leagal", I think you may not be qualified to posses a mortar.

PS: morter is with an A.
hughjafj  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 3:11:34 PM EST
What's a morter and what does leagal mean?
Mikhail_86  [Member]
4/24/2006 3:11:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By gaspain:
if you dont know how to spell "leagal", I think you may not be qualified to posses a mortar.

PS: morter is with an A.



+1
KBaker  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 3:12:32 PM EST
Assuming you're inquiring as to whether mortars are legal,() if they're muzzle-loading blackpowder mortars, yes they are. They're not even regulated. If you mean modern military mortars, they're destructive devices. Consult your local and state laws concerning their legality. Federally, each round has a $200 transfer tax attached.
TheRedHorseman  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 3:12:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By hughjafj:
What's a morter and what does leagal mean?



publik skool
RockHard13F  [Member]
4/24/2006 3:13:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By FlamingGlory:
NFA DD



Yup, saw one for sale in Utah a while back for 15000 dollars. It was a 60mm if I remember correctly.

-Ben
ar-steve  [Member]
4/24/2006 3:13:14 PM EST
Oh shit ...the spelling nazis are here
ARDunstan  [Member]
4/24/2006 3:17:04 PM EST
Just build yourself one of these.

More funner than a morter, and its leagal.




out-a-ammo  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 3:18:08 PM EST
There was a guy at the gunshow the other day wanting to know where he could buy an RPG.
1911greg  [Member]
4/24/2006 3:19:16 PM EST
how could you make a black powder mortar?
ar-steve  [Member]
4/24/2006 3:19:53 PM EST
I have thought about a catipult before
hughjafj  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 3:21:16 PM EST
Just like the old civil war ones. They actually have a competition at the North-South Skirmishers meet where they try to make their cannonball drop the closest to a pole in the ground. It's pretty neat actually. I saw it on Shooting USA.

Wobblin-Goblin  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 3:23:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By gaspain:
if you dont know how to spell "leagal", I think you may not be qualified to posses a mortar.


And if you don't know how to spell possess you might be out of luck, too.
Melvinator2k0  [Member]
4/24/2006 3:24:50 PM EST
Hijack- So full size battle cannons are legal, not even regulated?

cool
hughjafj  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 3:24:54 PM EST
No, he was talking about arming a posse....
thedoctors308  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 3:30:03 PM EST
A mortar is legal if it is registered as a DD with the ATF.
IIRC, a member on her, Different(?) owns an NFA registered mortar.
Here is one for sale at autoweapons

U.S.G.I. M1 81MM MORTAR (TITLE ONE) THIS 81MM MORTAR IS A SHARP EXAMPLE -- THE ARTICLE HAS A DEWAT/DEMILLED TUBE, AS PER AFT SPECS, AND CAN BE TRANSFERRED LIKE ANY OTHER STANDARD RIFLE OR SHOTGUN, ON AN ATF FORM #4473 (YELLOW FORM) THIS 81 HAS AN ORIGINAL UNCUT BASE, COMPLETE GI BIPOD, BASE PLATE AND SITE ASSY. THIS IS A TITLE ONE FIREARM THAT IS TRANSFERABLE ANYWHERE STANDARD FIREARMS ARE ALLOWED. NOTE: BY FILING AN ATF FORM #1 THIS FIREARM COULD BE LIVENED UP TO A DESTRUCTIVE DEVICE ... EXC CONDITION $2895(DD1-48)
SubnetMask  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 3:33:28 PM EST
I buy Chinese ones every 4th of July in Michigan.
DienBienPhu54  [Member]
4/24/2006 3:40:25 PM EST
I saw some people firing a bowling ball mortar at the public shooting range in California
Different  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 3:47:58 PM EST
My live real deal NFA Registered 60 mm M2 mortar and inert training rounds:



bmick325  [Member]
4/24/2006 3:51:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By Different:
My live real deal NFA Registered 60 mm M2 mortar and inert training rounds:

www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/civilian/P1010080.sized.jpg




Sweet!

You don't fire the round with the M734 fuze do you? I figured it would get crunched the first time.
CS223  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 3:52:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By ARDunstan:
Just build yourself one of these.

More funner than a morter, and its leagal.


www.carrollspumpkinfarm.com/catapult.jpg




If he can't speel morter and leagle, what maks you tink he can speel traybooshay?
Different  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 3:54:41 PM EST
bmick325, I use modified 20 gauge shotgun shells to launch the training rounds.
thedoctors308  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 4:08:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By Different:
bmick325, I use modified 20 gauge shotgun shells to launch the training rounds.



No interest in the subcaliber trainer kit?
ar-steve  [Member]
4/24/2006 4:10:33 PM EST
damn you guys are realy rough , so I mis-spelled some shit, fuck me running
Wobblin-Goblin  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 4:12:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By ar-steve:
damn you guys are realy rough , so I mis-spelled some shit, fuck me running


You aren't capitalizing either.
Different  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 4:12:58 PM EST
thedoctors308, I have a lot of fun with the 60 mm mortar but most of my "free time" is taken up with the M14. Illumination rounds are not Destructive Devices. If anyone has a line on/hook up for 60 mm illumination rounds, PLEASE let me know. I'm willing to pay good coin for 60 mm illumination rounds from the manufacturer or authorized government surplus (DRMO?) sales. All NFA Rules apply, yada, yada.
captainpooby  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 4:16:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By Different:
My live real deal NFA Registered 60 mm M2 mortar and inert training rounds:

www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/civilian/P1010080.sized.jpg




Jeebuz H cripes! I love America!

Just wish I could afford one of those. What would you charge me to rip a few rounds?
Different  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 4:18:28 PM EST
captainpooby, if you make it to Connecticut I'll let you drop a few down the tube for free. Give me some notice as this would have to be done on private land. The gun ranges in Connecticut don't exceed 200 yards AFAIK.
TheFreepster  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 4:24:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By Different:
captainpooby, if you make it to Connecticut I'll let you drop a few down the tube for free. Give me some notice as this would have to be done on private land. The gun ranges in Connecticut don't exceed 200 yards AFAIK.



How far do they go when you use the 20 gauge shell? How much do those inert rounds cost? I'm excited!!!!
4v50  [Member]
4/24/2006 4:24:25 PM EST
There's a group in Fremont, CA that will be building a small trebuchet. It'll be smaller than the one depicted.
Different  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 4:28:41 PM EST
TheFreepster, the modified 20 gauge shotgun shells I have are commercially prepared but way underloaded for powder. Even at that, they will exceed 200 yards with the M49 training round. I understand from another 60 mm owner that a safely loaded 20 gauge shotgun shell can launch a M49 round out past 1000 yards. Of course, you'll want to go find it after you launch it since the round is reusable. I just haven't had time to dive into the 60 mm mortar like I have with the M14. Nonetheless, it's a ton of fun.
Old_Painless  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 4:31:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By ar-steve:
damn you guys are realy rough , so I mis-spelled some shit, fuck me running


You aren't capitalizing either.



AR15.com.

It's a tough audience.
Zippy_The_Wonderdog  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 4:35:07 PM EST
Punctuation sucks too.


Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By ar-steve:
damn you guys are realy rough , so I mis-spelled some shit, fuck me running


You aren't capitalizing either.

Old_Painless  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 4:35:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zippy_The_Wonderdog:
Punctuation sucks too.


Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By ar-steve:
damn you guys are realy rough , so I mis-spelled some shit, fuck me running


You aren't capitalizing either.




See? I told you.
SubnetMask  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 4:38:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zippy_The_Wonderdog:
Punctuation sucks, too.


Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By ar-steve:
damn you guys are realy rough , so I mis-spelled some shit, fuck me running


You aren't capitalizing either.




AILapua  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 4:40:50 PM EST

Are mortars legal?


I hope so, one of the crew is building one to accommodate bowling balls.
NonConformist  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 4:45:56 PM EST
I LOVE this site-

First I learned you CAN have a 40mm M203 AND HE rounds(with appropriate fees)

Now I know I CAN have a Mortar...


ARFCOM ROCKS
Jeep29  [Member]
4/24/2006 4:49:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By ar-steve:
damn you guys are realy rough , so I mis-spelled some shit, fuck me running



Two "l"s
danonly  [Member]
4/24/2006 5:14:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By Different:
bmick325, I use modified 20 gauge shotgun shells to launch the training rounds.



so you have to have the tube registered in addition any live rounds individually? bogus.

cool you can use dummy rounds for fun. how much did the tube cost you?

danonly  [Member]
4/24/2006 5:26:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
I LOVE this site-

First I learned you CAN have a 40mm M203 AND HE rounds(with appropriate fees)

Now I know I CAN have a Mortar...


ARFCOM ROCKS



not only that but you can hunt deer with the mountain howitzer, if you want.

http://www.buckstix.com/howitzer.htm

don't make it hot, he doesn't like paying bandwidth

Different  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 5:40:51 PM EST
danonly, 60 mm HE rounds are each their own Destructive Device subject to a $200.00 transfer tax and NFA Registration. I was one of fifty buyers in 2003 that responded to Cobb Hill Firearms when he offered to make a production run of 60 mm mortar tubes. His worksmanship is superb. IIRC, the tube itself was $365.00 from Cobb Hill Firearms. The M2 bipod, M2 base plate and M84 mortar sight are not readily available but they can be had for righteous quanto dinero. My bipod and base plate are 1950s vintage but the tube, end cap and firing pin are 2003 manufacture. I also had the sense to pick up a couple extra firing pins for "just-in-case."

FWIW, NFA Registered 60 mm mortar kits sell for $5000.00 to $8000.00 today.
bmick325  [Member]
4/24/2006 6:44:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By Different:
danonly, 60 mm HE rounds are each their own Destructive Device subject to a $200.00 transfer tax and NFA Registration. I was one of fifty buyers in 2003 that responded to Cobb Hill Firearms when he offered to make a production run of 60 mm mortar tubes. His worksmanship is superb. IIRC, the tube itself was $365.00 from Cobb Hill Firearms. The M2 bipod, M2 base plate and M84 mortar sight are not readily available but they can be had for righteous quanto dinero. My bipod and base plate are 1950s vintage but the tube, end cap and firing pin are 2003 manufacture. I also had the sense to pick up a couple extra firing pins for "just-in-case."

FWIW, NFA Registered 60 mm mortar kits sell for $5000.00 to $8000.00 today.



Gotta check around...I might have some goodies for you.

If I find anything (might take a while), I'll let you know on your website.
Neolock  [Member]
4/24/2006 7:08:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By gaspain:
if you dont know how to spell "leagal", I think you may not be qualified to posses a mortar.


And if you don't know how to spell possess you might be out of luck, too.





Now That was funny
NCPatrolAR  [Member]
4/24/2006 7:26:56 PM EST
I'd rather get a M224 or 282
captainpooby  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 7:41:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By ar-steve:
damn you guys are realy rough , so I mis-spelled some shit, fuck me running


You aren't capitalizing either.



AR15.com.

It's a tough audience.



Not that tough. He just offered me a couple free rounds from his mortar!

Seriously, before I die I hafta to fire a mortar and throw a grenade. I may just take you up on that offer!
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