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 Why does the Cobray M11 wire stock not fit on semi-outos?
carboss  [Member]
4/18/2006 6:07:15 PM
Why does the Cobray M11 wire stock not fit on semi-outos? Anyone know how to make them fit?



Here is a link to the cobray website https://www.onlinesecureordering.com/
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TheRedHorseman  [Team Member]
4/18/2006 6:08:42 PM
to keep people from making unregistered SBRs?
SteyrAUG  [Team Member]
4/18/2006 6:09:08 PM
Because even with a long ass carbine barrel a collapsable stock would still be creating a SBR due to overall length requirements given the short receiver on a Mac. So the part has to be "non compatible" to be legal with ATF.

Dragracer_Art  [Member]
4/18/2006 6:11:13 PM
The Semi also has more garbage inside the receiver that would interfere with the side rails fully collapsed.

There ain't a whole lotta stuff inside the subgun version.
BuckeyeRifleman  [Team Member]
4/18/2006 6:12:23 PM

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
to keep people from making unregistered SBRs?






Carboss better edit his thread before the ATF troll see's it.

Watch out for the black helicopters!!

carboss  [Member]
4/18/2006 6:12:54 PM
Wow you guy never cease to amaze me. I had totally forgotten about the overall length requirements.

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thedoctors308  [Team Member]
4/18/2006 6:13:54 PM

Originally Posted By carboss:
Wow you guy never cease to amaze me. I had totally forgotten about the overall length requirements.

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It's not an OAL issue.
Its a barrel length issue.
Dragracer_Art  [Member]
4/18/2006 6:14:51 PM

Originally Posted By carboss:
Wow you guy never cease to amaze me. I had totally forgotten about the overall length requirements.

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Somebody make longer barrelled (16")uppers for the M11/9's... I've seen 'em somewhere.
I had a couple spare uppers for my subgun, but can't remember where I found them.
Kalahnikid  [Team Member]
4/18/2006 6:16:26 PM
Whats an outo?
Dragracer_Art  [Member]
4/18/2006 6:18:12 PM
FWIW...

The subgun version fires from an open bolt, therefore it has no hammer, disconnector, etc...
It has a fixed firing pin.
The semi-auto version has a different trigger group and all the related hardware, which is held in place with pins going through the receiver. Just so happens that the wire stock won't work with that suff inside.
carboss  [Member]
4/18/2006 6:19:44 PM

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By carboss:
Wow you guy never cease to amaze me. I had totally forgotten about the overall length requirements.

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It's not an OAL issue.
Its a barrel length issue.



I have a carbine with a 16in barrel...but the stock looks sillyass. What I want to do is put a fake 2 stage suppressor and the wire stock to have a rifle that resembles a real one. What is the lenth equirement?
DOA  [Team Member]
4/18/2006 6:21:21 PM

Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:
Just so happens that the wire stock won't work with that suff inside.



Yes, it will. It was designed so you cannot readily change it to F/A or SBR configuration, but it is possible.

carboss  [Member]
4/18/2006 6:21:28 PM
AAAAAAAA what is truth? Has anyone done this [put one of the stocks on]??????
Dragracer_Art  [Member]
4/18/2006 6:24:16 PM

Originally Posted By DOA:

Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:
Just so happens that the wire stock won't work with that suff inside.



Yes, it will. It was designed so you cannot readily change it to F/A or SBR configuration, but it is possible.




Anything is possible if you don't mind cutting and welding.
SteyrAUG  [Team Member]
4/18/2006 10:19:11 PM

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By carboss:
Wow you guy never cease to amaze me. I had totally forgotten about the overall length requirements.

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Dan J



It's not an OAL issue.
Its a barrel length issue.



No it IS an OAL issue. Even with a 18" barrel a preban cannot have a collapsable due to a AOL requirement for SBRs. 16" is a minimum barrel length but there is also a OAL stipulation in the NFA definition.
SteyrAUG  [Team Member]
4/18/2006 10:21:06 PM

Originally Posted By carboss:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By carboss:
Wow you guy never cease to amaze me. I had totally forgotten about the overall length requirements.

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Dan J



It's not an OAL issue.
Its a barrel length issue.



I have a carbine with a 16in barrel...but the stock looks sillyass. What I want to do is put a fake 2 stage suppressor and the wire stock to have a rifle that resembles a real one. What is the lenth equirement?



I have a 1981 PREBAN RPB Open Bolt carbine. I "think" the barrel is actually 18" and it STILL had to have a fixed "collapsible style" stock.
Combatvet  [Team Member]
4/18/2006 10:27:47 PM
It's still a pistol, and a pistol cannot have a stock!
SC_00_05  [Member]
4/18/2006 11:22:46 PM

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By carboss:
Wow you guy never cease to amaze me. I had totally forgotten about the overall length requirements.

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Dan J



It's not an OAL issue.
Its a barrel length issue.



No it IS an OAL issue. Even with a 18" barrel a preban cannot have a collapsable due to a AOL requirement for SBRs. 16" is a minimum barrel length but there is also a OAL stipulation in the NFA definition.


I thought ATF definitions of OAL were measured with the stock extended. Are you saying that it's OAL length is too short even with it extended?

I personally think these look better and probably function better
SC_00_05  [Member]
4/18/2006 11:24:45 PM

Originally Posted By Combatvet:
It's still a pistol, and a pistol cannot have a stock!


He's talking about after putting on a 16inch upper or attaching a fake suppressor to get it to 16 inches. Well, at least I think he is.
SteyrAUG  [Team Member]
4/19/2006 12:10:44 AM

Originally Posted By SC_00_05:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By carboss:
Wow you guy never cease to amaze me. I had totally forgotten about the overall length requirements.

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Dan J



It's not an OAL issue.
Its a barrel length issue.



No it IS an OAL issue. Even with a 18" barrel a preban cannot have a collapsable due to a AOL requirement for SBRs. 16" is a minimum barrel length but there is also a OAL stipulation in the NFA definition.


I thought ATF definitions of OAL were measured with the stock extended. Are you saying that it's OAL length is too short even with it extended?

I personally think these look better and probably function better
www.hunt101.com/img/397795.jpgwww.hunt101.com/img/397794.jpg



Then why would a preban from 1981 have a collapsible stock welded open?
SC_00_05  [Member]
4/19/2006 1:23:40 AM

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By SC_00_05:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By carboss:
Wow you guy never cease to amaze me. I had totally forgotten about the overall length requirements.

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Dan J



It's not an OAL issue.
Its a barrel length issue.



No it IS an OAL issue. Even with a 18" barrel a preban cannot have a collapsable due to a AOL requirement for SBRs. 16" is a minimum barrel length but there is also a OAL stipulation in the NFA definition.


I thought ATF definitions of OAL were measured with the stock extended. Are you saying that it's OAL length is too short even with it extended?

I personally think these look better and probably function better
www.hunt101.com/img/397795.jpgwww.hunt101.com/img/397794.jpg



Then why would a preban from 1981 have a collapsible stock welded open?


I have no idea. I'm certainly no NFA expert as us poor souls in CA can't have any of them.

The National Firearms Act (NFA), cited as the Act of June 26, 1934, Ch. 757, 48 Stat. 1236, as amended, currently codified as Chapter 53 of the Internal Revenue Code, 26 U.S.C. § 5801 through 26 U.S.C. § 5872, is a United States federal law passed in 1934 that mandates the registration of all Title II weapons - that is, all sound suppressors or 'silencers', all fully-automatic and burst-fire firearms, all rifles with a barrel length less than 16 inches (406 mm) (SBR) and shotguns with a barrel length less than 18 inches (457 mm) (SBS), shoulder fired weapons with an overall length less than 26 inches (660 mm), weapons classified as "Any Other Weapon" (AOW) and weapons classified as "destructive devices" (DD). For weapons with folding, collapsing or telescoping stocks, the overall length is measured with the stock fully extended.




liber45  [Member]
4/19/2006 1:35:37 AM
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liber45  [Member]
4/19/2006 1:45:08 AM
Who makes that fal type setup?
SC_00_05  [Member]
4/19/2006 2:09:08 AM

Originally Posted By liber45:
Who makes that fal type setup?


A couple of nice looking folding stocks here
www.aceltdusa.com/m11-9.htm
MMcCall  [Team Member]
4/19/2006 2:25:35 AM

Originally Posted By liber45:
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Or, not
SteyrAUG  [Team Member]
4/19/2006 2:35:19 AM

Originally Posted By SC_00_05:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:


Then why would a preban from 1981 have a collapsible stock welded open?


I have no idea. I'm certainly no NFA expert as us poor souls in CA can't have any of them.

The National Firearms Act (NFA), cited as the Act of June 26, 1934, Ch. 757, 48 Stat. 1236, as amended, currently codified as Chapter 53 of the Internal Revenue Code, 26 U.S.C. § 5801 through 26 U.S.C. § 5872, is a United States federal law passed in 1934 that mandates the registration of all Title II weapons - that is, all sound suppressors or 'silencers', all fully-automatic and burst-fire firearms, all rifles with a barrel length less than 16 inches (406 mm) (SBR) and shotguns with a barrel length less than 18 inches (457 mm) (SBS), shoulder fired weapons with an overall length less than 26 inches (660 mm), weapons classified as "Any Other Weapon" (AOW) and weapons classified as "destructive devices" (DD). For weapons with folding, collapsing or telescoping stocks, the overall length is measured with the stock fully extended.




Perhaps there has been a ruling since then. I know back when I bought my RPB you couldn't have a shoulder stock for a Artillery Luger or Broomhandle Mauser without going the SBR route and now you can.
carboss  [Member]
4/21/2006 2:05:13 PM
Where else could I get so many good options in one spot. Thank god for AR15.com
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Dan J
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