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LANCEMAN  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 12:54:39 AM
Nov 11, 2005 12:28 am US/Eastern

Semi-Automatic Rifles Easy To Buy In PA

Andy Sheehan
Reporting

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(KDKA) PITTSBURGH Semi-automatic with a range of 300 yards and enough fire-power to pierce a bullet proof vest can be purchased without a background check.

In Pennsylvania, no record of the sale is kept and no questions are asked.

In a special report, KD Investigator Andy Sheehan exposed a loophole in the state's gun laws.

Now one state legislator now aims to close it.

“If we come face to face with someone carrying this weapon, we've definitely have grabbed the short end of the stick at that point,” said Lt. Kevin Kraus.

Police are concerned about a loophole that was found in state law which allows the resale of semi-automatic rifles without a background check or record of the sale.

We found that loophole when we traced the history of a Chinese-made mak-90 -- which was used by a Homewood teenager to kill a rival two years ago.

Manufactured in China 1993, the MAK-90 came into the U.S. through a California distributor and was purchased the following year by a Butler County gun shop.

The gun was then sold to a man whose last known address was in Zelienople. The house was vacant but I later contacted the man by phone.

There's no record of where the gun went next, but in less than three months it ended up in the hands of Homewood teenager Silas Adams who used it to murder Ivan Pegues.

State law requires that each time a handgun is resold, it must be done in the presence of licensed arms dealer who orders a background check and records the sale.

The law is not the same for rifles -- even high-powered, semi-automatic rifles like the MAK-90. Anyone can buy them and there is no paper trail for police to follow.

State Rep. Dan Frankel says it's one more reason there are so many of these weapons the street and that he'll introduce legislation to change that.

“I mean I think that's pretty preposterous. If we need a background check for someone to buy a hand gun, certainly we should require a background check on someone who wants to buy an assault-style military weapon,” Frankel said.

Gun advocates like Mike Slavonic are quick to call such laws a waste of time -- arguing that guns laws in general haven't worked.

“They're ineffective. All gun laws in my opinion based some of the studies that have been done have been totally ineffective in preventing criminals from obtaining firearms,” Slavonic said.

But once in the hands of criminals -- the guns are very difficult to get back.

kdka.com/topstories/local_story_315002946.html
ElCamino  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 1:03:00 AM
HOLY FUCK! NOTHING HAS CHANGED!

LETS PUT IT ON THE NEWS!
raven  [Member]
11/11/2005 1:04:25 AM
"Just miles from your doorstep, hundreds of men are given weapons and trained to kill. The government calls it the Army, but a more alarmist name would be... The Killbot Factory."
Melvinator2k0  [Member]
11/11/2005 1:05:44 AM
blood is running through the streets as we speak now!!!!
DrMark  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 1:06:48 AM


It started out like a PA Chamber of Commerce "Come to PA" ad written by an arfcommer.

Airwolf  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 1:06:49 AM
swingset  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 1:07:28 AM
So much for the trip to Hershey.....I don't want blood and gore all over my chocolate bar!

Fuck that violent hell hole of a state!!!!!
jrzy  [Member]
11/11/2005 1:09:54 AM

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:
Nov 11, 2005 12:28 am US/Eastern

Semi-Automatic Rifles Easy To Buy In PA

Andy Sheehan
Reporting

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(KDKA) PITTSBURGH Semi-automatic with a range of 300 yards and enough fire-power to pierce a bullet proof vest can be purchased without a background check.

In Pennsylvania, no record of the sale is kept and no questions are asked.

In a special report, KD Investigator Andy Sheehan exposed a loophole in the state's gun laws.

Now one state legislator now aims to close it.

“If we come face to face with someone carrying this weapon, we've definitely have grabbed the short end of the stick at that point,” said Lt. Kevin Kraus.

Police are concerned about a loophole that was found in state law which allows the resale of semi-automatic rifles without a background check or record of the sale.

We found that loophole when we traced the history of a Chinese-made mak-90 -- which was used by a Homewood teenager to kill a rival two years ago.

Manufactured in China 1993, the MAK-90 came into the U.S. through a California distributor and was purchased the following year by a Butler County gun shop.

The gun was then sold to a man whose last known address was in Zelienople. The house was vacant but I later contacted the man by phone.

There's no record of where the gun went next, but in less than three months it ended up in the hands of Homewood teenager Silas Adams who used it to murder Ivan Pegues.

State law requires that each time a handgun is resold, it must be done in the presence of licensed arms dealer who orders a background check and records the sale.

The law is not the same for rifles -- even high-powered, semi-automatic rifles like the MAK-90. Anyone can buy them and there is no paper trail for police to follow.

State Rep. Dan Frankel says it's one more reason there are so many of these weapons the street and that he'll introduce legislation to change that.

“I mean I think that's pretty preposterous. If we need a background check for someone to buy a hand gun, certainly we should require a background check on someone who wants to buy an assault-style military weapon,” Frankel said.

Gun advocates like Mike Slavonic are quick to call such laws a waste of time -- arguing that guns laws in general haven't worked.

“They're ineffective. All gun laws in my opinion based some of the studies that have been done have been totally ineffective in preventing criminals from obtaining firearms,” Slavonic said.

But once in the hands of criminals -- the guns are very difficult to get back.

kdka.com/topstories/local_story_315002946.html



WTF!
The loophole this idiot speaks of is the Second Amendment.
Merrell  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 1:16:47 AM
Andy Sheehan is such a raging liberal whining pansy.

He makes Jacques Chirac look like the Predator.

If he had a clitoris it would be an innie.

LANCEMAN  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 1:18:50 AM

Semi-automatic with a range of 300 yards and enough fire-power to pierce a bullet proof vest can be purchased without a background check.



Does anybody else find comfort in the fact that rifles WILL penetrate most body armor ? I do
LANCEMAN  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 1:20:26 AM

Originally Posted By Merrell:

If he had a clitoris it would be an innie.






TwoTwentyThree  [Member]
11/11/2005 1:22:05 AM
so they use one isolated incident from two years ago as evidence that this is some horrible apocalyptic thing?
ElCamino  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 1:47:57 AM
What I find funny is that KDKA has only learned now what a bunch of Western and Central PA good ole boys have known their entire lives.

"In other news, venison tastes good."
NYPatriot  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 1:48:28 AM

Breaking news: Semi-Automatic Rifles Easy To Buy In PA


... and in other news, water is wet, Rosie O'Donnell is fat, and the Sun will rise in the east this morning.
BUCC_Guy  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 1:51:36 AM
Haha... Private transfers are the devil! Ban them! Its for the children!



The irony is that the only private transfer I've done was in PA.





I guess they were right...


- BG
Mauser101  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 2:50:23 AM
Oh noes! It's the ARpocolypse!
Swindle1984  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 2:57:19 AM
And in other news, nothing else has changed in PA either. Next up: Texans and guns, what's up with that?
smokycity  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 3:03:23 AM
Oh the horror of being able to hit a target at 300 yards with a semi auto MAK-90 bullet hose. Everyone knows they are more dangerous that those .30-06 and .308 bolt action rifles that are accurate out to maybe 1000 yards.
Notorious  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 3:11:01 AM
Andy Sheehan?

Is he any relation to the "Ditch Bitch"?

PAEBR332  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 9:04:09 AM
The last several rifles I bought, including three semi-automatics that can pierce bullet proof vests (AR15, Garand, M1 Carbine) were all done in face-to-face transactions (with fellow ARCOMMERS no less). No NICS checks were run.

I am evil, I know.
Cypher214  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 9:10:58 AM
Why are people so absolutely, profoundly, flabbergastingly stupid?

Anyone with the sense God gave a tree stump will realize that criminals won't go to a fucking dealer to conduct their transfers.

It seems like 98% of the people running things rode the short bus to school.
DDiggler  [Member]
11/11/2005 9:12:14 AM
They had an expose' a while ago when some felon killed his wife and ended up blowing up his car with him in it. He got out of jail and bought a black powder handgun. Over the counter of course.

It was termed a 'loophole' and there was some legislative movement to try to require background checks for blackpowder guns.

Black Powder Gun Replicas Can Be Deadly
offctr  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 9:16:35 AM
So the ice cream truck DOES go to Homewood.
anyway no mention that the perp in question had a LONG history of burglary/shoplifting/violence and there is NO way he got the gun that way. Oh by the way this shooting happened in a "gun free school zone" and the victim had told administrators and the schools police officers (the shooting happend with the police on station at the school--not in the same area as the drive by --but they took forever to get from one side of the building to the other) about the threats levied agianst him by his eventual murderer.....no concrete action was taken.

KDKA's annual assualt rifle hatchet piece -ran as a "special report" on the news the other night- no doubt they will have a reporter trolling the upcomming gunshow looking for fodder for more pieces like this.
stator  [Member]
11/11/2005 9:17:50 AM
Their victory in San Francisco over measure H (handgun ban) last Tuesday will give them re-newed energy for more gun control throughout the nation. Congradulations to all of you dumkfucbs who think CA is a shithole and does not matter.... well, at least SF is a shithole, but it does matter.
glock23carry  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 9:29:32 AM
Hey, I'm sorry about Ivan, but how come some kid can get a MAK 90 so easily when I've been looking for a good example at a good price for years?

G
jthuang  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 9:35:47 AM
PA has the second highest NRA population in the Union. This is a surprise to anyone???
PAEBR332  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 9:36:53 AM

Originally Posted By Cypher214:
Why are people so absolutely, profoundly, flabbergastingly stupid?

Anyone with the sense God gave a tree stump will realize that criminals won't go to a fucking dealer to conduct their transfers.

It seems like 98% of the people running things rode the short bus to school.



You know how dumb the average person you meet is? Half the people are dumber than that.
SJSAMPLE  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 9:55:43 AM

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:

Originally Posted By Cypher214:
Why are people so absolutely, profoundly, flabbergastingly stupid?

Anyone with the sense God gave a tree stump will realize that criminals won't go to a fucking dealer to conduct their transfers.

It seems like 98% of the people running things rode the short bus to school.



You know how dumb the average person you meet is? Half the people are dumber than that.



Actually, that would be the "median".
As in, half the people are smarter than that and half the people are dumber than that.
PAEBR332  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 10:01:16 AM

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:

Originally Posted By Cypher214:
Why are people so absolutely, profoundly, flabbergastingly stupid?

Anyone with the sense God gave a tree stump will realize that criminals won't go to a fucking dealer to conduct their transfers.

It seems like 98% of the people running things rode the short bus to school.



You know how dumb the average person you meet is? Half the people are dumber than that.



Actually, that would be the "median".
As in, half the people are smarter than that and half the people are dumber than that.



Intelligence is normally distributed. The mean and median are the same, so my statement is entirely valid.

"Brevity is the soul of wit."
CZ75_9MM  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 10:07:22 AM
OMG it can shoot 300 yards!!! better get it off the streets! Everyone knows that most street crimes are commited at 300 yard distances.
rcoers  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 10:13:01 AM
Even is this "loophole" were closed, this guy would still be dead. Sorry to let these libtards down, but criminals don't bother with this sort of thing.
tszipper  [Member]
11/11/2005 10:15:09 AM

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:
Nov 11, 2005 12:28 am US/Eastern

Semi-Automatic Rifles Easy To Buy In PA

Andy Sheehan
Reporting

Save It Email It Print It
(KDKA) PITTSBURGH Semi-automatic with a range of 300 yards and enough fire-power to pierce a bullet proof vest can be purchased without a background check.

In Pennsylvania, no record of the sale is kept and no questions are asked.

In a special report, KD Investigator Andy Sheehan exposed a loophole in the state's gun laws.

Now one state legislator now aims to close it.

“If we come face to face with someone carrying this weapon, we've definitely have grabbed the short end of the stick at that point,” said Lt. Kevin Kraus.

Police are concerned about a loophole that was found in state law which allows the resale of semi-automatic rifles without a background check or record of the sale.

We found that loophole when we traced the history of a Chinese-made mak-90 -- which was used by a Homewood teenager to kill a rival two years ago.

I'm sure he knew about this loophole and used it to his advantage just to obtain the MAK90


Manufactured in China 1993, the MAK-90 came into the U.S. through a California distributor and was purchased the following year by a Butler County gun shop.

The gun was then sold to a man whose last known address was in Zelienople. The house was vacant but I later contacted the man by phone.

There's no record of where the gun went next, but in less than three months it ended up in the hands of Homewood teenager Silas Adams who used it to murder Ivan Pegues.

State law requires that each time a handgun is resold, it must be done in the presence of licensed arms dealer who orders a background check and records the sale.

The law is not the same for rifles -- even high-powered, semi-automatic rifles like the MAK-90. Anyone can buy them and there is no paper trail for police to follow.

State Rep. Dan Frankel says it's one more reason there are so many of these weapons the street and that he'll introduce legislation to change that.

“I mean I think that's pretty preposterous. If we need a background check for someone to buy a hand gun, certainly we should require a background check on someone who wants to buy an assault-style military weapon,” Frankel said.

Gun advocates like Mike Slavonic are quick to call such laws a waste of time -- arguing that guns laws in general haven't worked.

They're ineffective. All gun laws in my opinion based some of the studies that have been done have been totally ineffective in preventing criminals from obtaining firearms,” Slavonic said.

Yeah it really prevented him from getting a weapon didn't it!


But once in the hands of criminals -- the guns are very difficult to get back.

kdka.com/topstories/local_story_315002946.html

wgjhsafT  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 11:02:43 AM
I was going to post the previous "special" they had on this Wednesday night.

From: here



Semi-Automatic Weapons Falling Into Wrong Hands

November 9, 2005
Andy Sheehan
Reporting


(KDKA) PITTSBURGH Semi-automatic rifles with multi-round clips are showing up in illegal hands despite being designed for war.

The semi-automatic rifles have a range of 300 yards.

Karen Gilliam wants to know how the killer -- a Homewood teen-ager named Silas Adams -- got his hands on a Chinese-made MAK-90 rifle -- one of several high-powered rifles that have become the scourge of our troubled neighborhoods.

“I know somebody knows how these guns are getting into our community,” Gilliam said. “Somebody knows, and I mean enough is enough.”

KDKA’s Andy Sheehan was able to retrace the path of a particular rifle -- from its place of manufacture in china in 1993 to it's purchase by a California distributor in 1994. It was then purchased by a Pennsylvania distributor and then bought by a gun store in Butler County.

The gun went on sale at the Sportmen's Supply Gunshop outside of Butler, where in addition to standard hunting rifles, owner Grant Williams sells rifles such as a semi-automatic, Russian-made Kalishnikov.

Williams makes no apologies that the mak-90 was used in a murder.

“We feel badly about that that's for sure,” Williams said. “But generally we sell we can only sell firearms to people who are allowed to own them.”

Williams sold the gun to a man from Zelienople, who gave police a vacant house address.

Williams said that after he bought the gun, he developed an addiction to heroin. In need of money for drugs, he sold the rifle to a man he had never met outside a bar on the North Side.

Police say this type of gun sale has become the rule rather than the exception.

“Where an individual from the suburbs will bring this type of weapons or any type of weapons into the city to sell to support a drug habit,” said Pittsburgh Police Lt. Kevin Kraus.

Gilliam still wants to know why we can't keep these rifles out of the community.

“If it means the National Guard coming in to do these gun stings to get these assault weapons out of here then so be it,” Gilliam said.

Drug addicted kids are selling guns -- or in what's called a straw purchase - they'll buy a gun and turn around and sell it to a criminal for drugs or money.

A big problem police say is that in Pennsylvania the owners of an assault-type rifle can sell it to someone else -- no questions asked.

The sales don't have to be recorded and no background check is required.



I don't know what this guy's hardon is (other than being a flaming lib) but this was on the 11 'o clock news Wednesday night. I didn't see the segment but looked this article up yesterday. I'd like to know how he was able to track down a gun's origins without a badge.

I'd also like to point out that while many times this year (and in past years) the gun used in some offing of drug dealing idiots or neighbors was called an "AK47" we all know that it was maybe 1 or 2% of the time.

Strangely, during the magical 94' ban, some idiot drove up on the hill across from my house and dumped 90 rounds out of an "AK" before the police were able to respond. This is in a highly populated residential suburb with the road I live on leading into the ghetto.

They weren't doing shotty ivestigations revealing reality like its something unusual during the Clinton or ban years. Now all of the sudden they are acting like this is something new.
garandman  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 11:07:02 AM

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:

Breaking news: Semi-Automatic Rifles Easy To Buy In PA


... and in other news, water is wet, Rosie O'Donnell is fat, and the Sun will rise in the east this morning.



The REAL news here is journalists know NOTHING about the subject of firearms.

And OF COURSE that doesn't stop them from trying to act like experts on the subject.

wgjhsafT  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 11:10:56 AM
Here is a major problem right here and who is probably pushing for this media coverage:


State Rep. Dan Frankel says it's one more reason there are so many of these weapons the street and that he'll introduce legislation to change that.


This guy, along with most of the Philly reps. from the "disenfranchized" areas and a few from more liberal towns in the state introduce AW ban legislation in the house every year.

Every year the legislation dies. PA has a lot of gun people. Lots of them are bolt gun types but you cannot deny that there are a lot of people who keep an AK copy or AR15 around "just in case."

This is the first year in a while that the local media is actually highlighting this guy's causes. Must be really hoping to joing NY, NJ, CT, MA, etc.
DDiggler  [Member]
11/11/2005 11:21:21 AM

Originally Posted By wgjhsafT:
Here is a major problem right here and who is probably pushing for this media coverage:


State Rep. Dan Frankel says it's one more reason there are so many of these weapons the street and that he'll introduce legislation to change that.


This guy, along with most of the Philly reps. from the "disenfranchized" areas and a few from more liberal towns in the state introduce AW ban legislation in the house every year.

Every year the legislation dies. PA has a lot of gun people. Lots of them are bolt gun types but you cannot deny that there are a lot of people who keep an AK copy or AR15 around "just in case."

This is the first year in a while that the local media is actually highlighting this guy's causes. Must be really hoping to joing NY, NJ, CT, MA, etc.



If you notice, he's the same turd from the story I posted who was introducing legislation to crack down on the sales of black powder arms.
wgjhsafT  [Team Member]
11/11/2005 11:26:47 AM

Originally Posted By DDiggler:

Originally Posted By wgjhsafT:
Here is a major problem right here and who is probably pushing for this media coverage:


State Rep. Dan Frankel says it's one more reason there are so many of these weapons the street and that he'll introduce legislation to change that.


This guy, along with most of the Philly reps. from the "disenfranchized" areas and a few from more liberal towns in the state introduce AW ban legislation in the house every year.

Every year the legislation dies. PA has a lot of gun people. Lots of them are bolt gun types but you cannot deny that there are a lot of people who keep an AK copy or AR15 around "just in case."

This is the first year in a while that the local media is actually highlighting this guy's causes. Must be really hoping to joing NY, NJ, CT, MA, etc.



If you notice, he's the same turd from the story I posted who was introducing legislation to crack down on the sales of black powder arms.



Too bad I don't live in his district or I could vote against him. I still write him letters though.
thedoctors308  [Member]
11/11/2005 11:39:30 AM

“If it means the National Guard coming in to do these gun stings to get these assault weapons out of here then so be it,”


Wow...just wow.
These people just do not get the idea of inalienable rights, do they?