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 can park rangers carry guns?
Anteverius  [Member]
6/27/2005 5:13:39 PM EST
i am watching a program about people growing weed in national parks and was wondering if park rangers are allowed to carry? the growers apparently have guns (they showed an AK and a shotgun), so can the rangers carry for defense?
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PinePig  [Member]
6/27/2005 5:15:50 PM EST
Nat Park and Forest, yep.
Anteverius  [Member]
6/27/2005 5:18:19 PM EST
ok, so if they can, are they allowed to carry AR's or other long guns (not just handguns). if i were a park ranger, i wouldnt want to encounter some crazy weed grower with an AK, if i only had a handgun
Langadune  [Member]
6/27/2005 5:20:58 PM EST
The type of firearms would most likely be dictated by the sponsoring agency.
sherrick13  [Team Member]
6/27/2005 5:21:31 PM EST
I was a Park Ranger in OK for a while. We carry it all here.
jrzy  [Team Member]
6/27/2005 5:22:13 PM EST
Some county rangers in some states carry and some state rangers and most Fed rangers carry.
Daytona955i  [Team Member]
6/27/2005 5:22:24 PM EST
I think in NY park rangers are actually part of the State Police (under the DEC).

They probably have shotguns as well as handguns.
PinePig  [Member]
6/27/2005 5:24:06 PM EST
Yep my friend I went to school works Nat Parks ( Yosemite ) he has a nice new AR15 that rides with him in the car.


Here's the crazy part I was a Park Ranger for a Major city in the Bay Area ( Calif ) and Sidearms were not issued or allowed, I did have a BP vest issued by the City though, I wore mine backwards so the trama plate would cover my heart as I was running away ( just kidding ) I don't do that crap any more.
nwmanitou  [Member]
6/27/2005 5:25:26 PM EST
Pot Growers are actually a serious problem in national parks and forrests. I've heard of the various booby traps they set from toe poppers to fish hooks suspended at eye level. I never go into the woods unarmed and generally I don't hike around in a manner that would give away my location. Many times I'll hear other hikers a good half hour before I come accross them on the trail. Also, for that reason, I tend to avoid national parks where I'd be prohibited from carrying.

I'm kindof annoyed at how many times they brought up the Drug farmers having AK47's, but it is california. Watching this show has got me wondering how well I could fit my AR into my pack.
Anteverius  [Member]
6/27/2005 5:25:41 PM EST
getting to patrol the woods with an AR all day sounds like fun. hmmmm.....
junker46  [Member]
6/27/2005 5:34:18 PM EST
A slight hi-jack: some years ago I saw a show on TV, "True Tails of LEO' or some such crap, with one story that was really bust ass.

Two NPS Rangers had confronted two druggies (the really bad kind) and got into a firefight with one of the BGs (while shooting) coming down the road towards them. The older Ranger from behind the truck door had been hit from a bullet deflecting from his shooting hand and into the neck, nicking the artery there. So the junior Ranger had to drag his partner behind the truck with the other BG that had been arrested. So here he was, attempting to: stem the flow of blood, retreiving his long arm from the rear of the vehicle and engage the advancing BG, and deal with the non-cuffed BG.

What happened was the detained BG did first aid, the JR retrieved his M1A (?) and blasted the shooter that had just reached the front of the truck. I often wonder if the rendering-aid BG got some consideration for helping the situation.
sum-rifle  [Team Member]
6/27/2005 5:40:42 PM EST
There are Law Enforcement and non Law Enforcement Park Rangers out there. Some are Biologists, some are out there counting field mice.

The LE's carry whatever is issued to them I believe Glocks, shotguns (870's most likely) and some not all carry rifles (M-14's I think)In California lots of our Game Wardens carry M-14's they got from the Feds.
Jeep29  [Member]
6/27/2005 5:42:29 PM EST
Even the City Park Rangers carry guns where I live.
Aimless  [Site Staff]
6/27/2005 5:46:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By Daytona955i:
I think in NY park rangers are actually part of the State Police (under the DEC).

They probably have shotguns as well as handguns.



He's talking about the police for Federally owned parks. The NY DEC is a separate entity from the State Police, even to the point that they have a separate academy and are issued different handguns I think (.40 glocks v. the 9mm the NYSP has). I don't honestly know much about the Park Police, except that I had to look up once their jurisdiction and there's (or was at that time) something about how they are limited to the parks and travelling btw the parks. I would guess they are under the jurisdiction of the State Parks and Recreation Dept, not the NYSP, but I am just guessing.
Hoplophile  [Team Member]
6/27/2005 6:48:44 PM EST
My wife's uncle retired from USFS a fwe years ago. He had an advanced degree in botany and spent the last several years of his employment managing large wlderness areas and such. he was not a law enforcement employee but he and all of his people carried firearms. And when his kids went for a walk he made sure they had a .22 or shotgun or something with them. He new very well how about the threats of snakes, rabid animals, pot growers, etc. He was originally issued a .357 adn that's what he carried the whole time. I remember in the mid 90s he was complaining that the LE guys had convinced the agency to switch to a 9mm, I think it was a Sig. His POV was that a .357 was better suited to putting down a rabid animal and he said they wanted the 9mms because they felt left out when they went to conferences with other federal LE who had all the cool toys.

Aimless  [Site Staff]
6/27/2005 6:55:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Hoplophile:
He was originally issued a .357 adn that's what he carried the whole time. I remember in the mid 90s he was complaining that the LE guys had convinced the agency to switch to a 9mm, I think it was a Sig. His POV was that a .357 was better suited to putting down a rabid animal and he said they wanted the 9mms because they felt left out when they went to conferences with other federal LE who had all the cool toys.




Our DEC similarly got rid of their S&W .357 revolvers for Glocks, a dumb move in my opinion. Bizarrely the DEC, who has never had an officer involved in a shooting that I heard of, managed to get .40s but the NYSP never got 40s, they still have 9s. Course the DEC had those low drag lights on their cars before the NYSP did also.
tc556guy  [Team Member]
6/27/2005 7:19:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By Daytona955i:
I think in NY park rangers are actually part of the State Police (under the DEC).

They probably have shotguns as well as handguns.


You are thinking of the State Park Police. Totally seperate from the State Police OR DEC, both of whom are independent agencies with their own officers.
4v50  [Member]
6/27/2005 7:21:01 PM EST
Depends on employing agency. When I went to the Academy, we had both State & Federal Park Rangers there with us.
tc556guy  [Team Member]
6/27/2005 7:21:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Our DEC similarly got rid of their S&W .357 revolvers for Glocks, a dumb move in my opinion. Bizarrely the DEC, who has never had an officer involved in a shooting that I heard of, managed to get .40s but the NYSP never got 40s, they still have 9s. Course the DEC had those low drag lights on their cars before the NYSP did also.


hy is it a dumb move?
The NYSP have been trying for years to upgrade to 40 Auto but its a budget issue, among other issues, IIRC.
SPECTRE  [Team Member]
6/27/2005 7:23:49 PM EST
They can carry but you peasants can't.
AR15fan  [Team Member]
6/27/2005 8:21:14 PM EST
BLM "Park Rangers" carry an 870, AR15, and Glock last time I saw one.
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