AR15.Com Archives
  AR-15s SMUGGLED FROM KALIFORNIA FOUND IN PHILLIPINES
CRC  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:05:52 PM
About 100 smuggled assault rifles discovered in Philippine port in U.S. shipment

Associated Press


MANILA, Philippines - About 100 U.S.-made assault rifles have been discovered in a shipment of household goods from California, and investigators were looking into whether the weapons were intended for an alleged plot to unseat President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, police said Thursday.

The brand new AR-15 rifles, which are used by U.S. troops, were disassembled and parts were distributed among three of 436 boxes inside a steel container that arrived June 9 at the Manila international container port, said Chief Superintendent Ricardo Dapat, head of the police Criminal Investigation and Detection Group.

Two night vision goggles also were found in the shipment. Dapat said the timing was suspicious because of an alleged plot to oust Arroyo, who is facing allegations of vote rigging.

"The timing is suspect here," Dapat said. "Right now, we're coordinating with our American counterparts our investigation to identify and arrest the persons behind the foiled smuggling."

Police Senior Superintendent Noel de los Reyes said the interdiction resulted from an operation to stop terror groups from smuggling weapons into the country.

Accusations that Arroyo's family received illegal gambling payoffs, and the emergence last week of a wiretap in which the president allegedly discussed a plan to rig the May 2004 election, have triggered a political storm and fresh coup rumors.

Government spokesmen claim the allegations are part of a plot to destabilize Arroyo's administration.
SS109  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:08:43 PM
How bizarre.

Why not just buy the Norinco AR's that the Moro's are using?
CavVet  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:09:17 PM


I never got issued an AR-15 rifle when I was a U.S. Troop.
CRC  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:10:20 PM
-MORE-

Aglipay nephew linked to gunrunning attempt


By WILLIAM B. DEPASUPIL, The Manila Times Reporter

A nephew of a former Philippine National Police chief was linked to the foiled attempt to smuggle in high-powered rifles believed to be intended for groups planning to overthrow the government.

Sources at the Bureau of Customs on Friday pointed to Cocoy B. Aglipay, nephew of retired police director general Edgardo Aglipay, as the original consignee of the illegal goods.

In a phone interview with The Manila Times, Cocoy Aglipay denied the allegations. "I don’t know anything about it."

Aglipay, who owns the Active Guns Store in Romacon Building on National Road, Muntinlupa City, said all his gun importations are legal.

Celso Templo, deputy Customs commissioner of the Intelligence and Enforcement Group, admitted he too had heard about Aglipay’s involvement in the smuggling attempt but stressed that "it is all hearsay."

The Customs apprehension report showed that the 436 balikbayan boxes containing the firearms arrived at the Manila International Container Port (MICP) on June 9 onboard the MV New Confidence.

The boxes, found in a 40-foot container, were declared to contain household goods and personal effects.

The shipment was consigned to Linao Lauron Co., Ace Logistics, with office address at W2 Oyster Industrial Complex, Ninoy Aquino, Parañaque City.

The first box was consigned to John Gallardo of 12 Uranium Street, Pilar Village, Las Piñas City. Its shipper was George Gallardo of 727 Janice LM, Walnut, California.

Two other boxes were consigned to Carlito Ariar of 200 Montebello Compound, Banila, Cebu City. Its shipper was Marisse S. Sy of 214 Calle Moreno, San Diego, California.

In the boxes were M-16 parts including barrels, butt stocks and night-vision scopes.

Templo said the AR 15 rifle is the standard assault rifle of the US Army.

He said the Gallardos’ names are familiar but declined to elaborate. He showed The Times a letter addressed to the commercial attaché of the US Embassy seeking its help in identifying the shippers.

"I don’t how the gun shipment was able to leave the US port without being detected, considering the stringent measures imposed by the US Homeland Security. They use gamma rays in examining goods that pass through their ports," Templo said.

He added that before one can buy guns of such quantity in the US, they have to be cleared in Washington by the US Firearms and Tobacco Unit.

"That is why we are seeking the US’s help. We want to know the identity of the person or persons who purchased it. Where did they get the money? If the money came from the Philippines, who was the source of the money?" Templo added.

Because of the recent smuggling attempt, Templo said all consolidated shipments or shipments declared as household goods and personal effects, will be subjected to thorough examination.
HighStrung1  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:10:20 PM
The brand new AR-15 rifles, which are used by U.S. troops, were disassembled and parts were distributed among three of 436 boxes inside a steel container that arrived June 9 at the Manila international container port, said Chief Superintendent Ricardo Dapat, head of the police Criminal Investigation and Detection Group.

That's a huge run on sentence.

Oh yeah, troops using civilian tech rifles.

HS1
SS109  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:13:26 PM
Those Phillipinos aren't very smart. Don't they know AR's are banned in California?

Maybe they got FAB-10's?
Aimless  [Site Staff]
6/19/2005 11:17:41 PM

Originally Posted By SS109:
Those Phillipinos aren't very smart. Don't they know AR's are banned in California?

Maybe they got FAB-10's?



Be fun to see the look on their faces


¿Qué el infierno? ¿Dónde usted pone el compartimiento en esta cosa?
DoubleFeed  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:18:24 PM

Originally Posted By CavVet:


I never got issued an AR-15 rifle when I was a U.S. Troop.

Strangely, most of the military missed out on the special issue AR15s.
SevilNecrophile  [Member]
6/19/2005 11:20:51 PM

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By CavVet:


I never got issued an AR-15 rifle when I was a U.S. Troop.

Strangely, most of the military missed out on the special issue AR15s.



Beat me to it.
Lumpy196  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:20:56 PM










A custom examiner remove from a box assorted parts of a U.S. made AR-15 rifles Friday, June 17, 2005 at the customs warehouse in Manila. Assorted parts of the U.S.-made assault rifles have been discovered in a shipment of household goods from California and investigators were looking if the confiscated weapons were intended for an alleged plot to unseat President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo. (AP Photo/Pat Roque)
CitySlicker  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:23:16 PM
That's awkward.
omar  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:25:03 PM
Rut Ro. Those look like 80% receivers.
CRC  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:25:15 PM
Looks like they bought a bunch of DIY AR recievers and aftermarket parts.
CRC  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:25:46 PM

Originally Posted By omar:
Rut Ro. Those look like 80% receivers.



Yep that is what I meant.

AssaultRifler  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:26:47 PM

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050617/i/r3826132443.jpg?x=272&y=345&sig=UF48gbQFK2kcm4OGgkQG5Q--

us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050617/i/r586568124.jpg?x=380&y=272&sig=XqmILwxCMu3mljk7MjChzQ--

us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050617/capt.mla10506170503.philippines_smuggled_rifles_mla105.jpg?x=253&y=345&sig=Gq_Yp5Rvl.e17TmXSkWhwA--

us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050617/capt.mla10406170505.philippines_smuggled_rifles_mla104.jpg?x=268&y=345&sig=HUwOyM3ITy308DcIgD.s5g--

us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050617/capt.mla10106170457.philippines_smuggled_rifles_mla101.jpg?x=380&y=278&sig=xKnT2Iuyagbg9NAldXE0nQ--


Looks like those 80% receivers
Lon_Moer  [Member]
6/19/2005 11:26:55 PM
Boxes of 0% castings??!
The_Gooch  [Member]
6/19/2005 11:28:04 PM

Originally Posted By CRC:
-MORE-

Aglipay nephew linked to gunrunning attempt


By WILLIAM B. DEPASUPIL, The Manila Times Reporter

A nephew of a former Philippine National Police chief was linked to the foiled attempt to smuggle in high-powered rifles believed to be intended for groups planning to overthrow the government.

Sources at the Bureau of Customs on Friday pointed to Cocoy B. Aglipay, nephew of retired police director general Edgardo Aglipay, as the original consignee of the illegal goods.

In a phone interview with The Manila Times, Cocoy Aglipay denied the allegations. "I don’t know anything about it."

Aglipay, who owns the Active Guns Store in Romacon Building on National Road, Muntinlupa City, said all his gun importations are legal.

Celso Templo, deputy Customs commissioner of the Intelligence and Enforcement Group, admitted he too had heard about Aglipay’s involvement in the smuggling attempt but stressed that "it is all hearsay."

The Customs apprehension report showed that the 436 balikbayan boxes containing the firearms arrived at the Manila International Container Port (MICP) on June 9 onboard the MV New Confidence.

The boxes, found in a 40-foot container, were declared to contain household goods and personal effects.

The shipment was consigned to Linao Lauron Co., Ace Logistics, with office address at W2 Oyster Industrial Complex, Ninoy Aquino, Parañaque City.

The first box was consigned to John Gallardo of 12 Uranium Street, Pilar Village, Las Piñas City. Its shipper was George Gallardo of 727 Janice LM, Walnut, California.

Two other boxes were consigned to Carlito Ariar of 200 Montebello Compound, Banila, Cebu City. Its shipper was Marisse S. Sy of 214 Calle Moreno, San Diego, California.

In the boxes were M-16 parts including barrels, butt stocks and night-vision scopes.

Templo said the AR 15 rifle is the standard assault rifle of the US Army.

He said the Gallardos’ names are familiar but declined to elaborate. He showed The Times a letter addressed to the commercial attaché of the US Embassy seeking its help in identifying the shippers.

"I don’t how the gun shipment was able to leave the US port without being detected, considering the stringent measures imposed by the US Homeland Security. They use gamma rays in examining goods that pass through their ports," Templo said.

He added that before one can buy guns of such quantity in the US, they have to be cleared in Washington by the US Firearms and Tobacco Unit.

"That is why we are seeking the US’s help. We want to know the identity of the person or persons who purchased it. Where did they get the money? If the money came from the Philippines, who was the source of the money?" Templo added.

Because of the recent smuggling attempt, Templo said all consolidated shipments or shipments declared as household goods and personal effects, will be subjected to thorough examination.



Cool, that is like only a 30min drive from my house. Maybe I should drive by it and take some pics and post them here?
Yahoo map of home in Walnut, CA

Still, there is a lot of bad info in that story, I think some of this story is BS.
AssaultRifler  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:28:08 PM

Originally Posted By CRC:


A nephew of a former Philippine National Police chief was linked to the foiled attempt to smuggle in high-powered rifles believed to be intended for groups planning to overthrow the government.



Man that's one of my pet peeves, "high powered rifles", you ever hear of the press use the term "low powered rifle"?
CRC  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:29:18 PM
So just how in the heck did 80% recievers make it through US customs?

AssaultRifler  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:33:28 PM
news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=2&story_id=40634

Seized gun parts not likely for destabilization -- Customs

First posted 06:02pm (Mla time) June 17, 2005
By Jerome Aning
Inquirer News Service

THE SMUGGLED gun parts seized by Bureau of Customs agents during an abortive sting operation at the Manila International Container Port on Thursday will unlikely be used in destabilization efforts against the government, according to an official on Friday.

"This is more likely a simple smuggling attempt," BoC Deputy Commissioner Celso Templo told reporters on Friday.

Templo clarified that the barrels, stocks, and receivers were found inside only three balikbayan boxes that purportedly came from Walnut and San Diego, California.

The gun parts are from AR15s, civilian-police versions of M16 and M14 rifles.

Templo said he believed the parts could not be assembled into whole rifles because the trigger housing groups were missing.

-----------

Maybe Josie Roberts is on assignment in Manilla
CRC  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:35:11 PM
Wow!

So now it's just three boxes of replacement parts?

I believe the terrorists groups in the Phillipines use ARs and m-16s.

Cold_Warrior  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:38:46 PM
There goes my boating accident story...

CW
USMC_LB  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:39:17 PM

Originally Posted By CRC:

The brand new AR-15 rifles, which are used by U.S. troops...




Damn, all I had was a M-16 while I was in the Marines...

LB
wildearp  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:42:59 PM
Smoke screen. What parallel and undetected event really transpired?
Mikeypss  [Member]
6/19/2005 11:45:16 PM
Damn I could use all of those parts.
Paul  [Team Member]
6/19/2005 11:47:43 PM
The Phillipinnos would have manufactured those things into M-16's in a week - and that's working slow with rocks and chisels! They'd have DIAS and suppressor's already waiting for the shipment.
fadedsun  [Member]
6/19/2005 11:53:56 PM
Norinco makes ARs?

Ben
TheOtherDave  [Member]
6/19/2005 11:58:53 PM
Yes, they do.

Those are raw castings,.... might as well be rocks.
Paul  [Team Member]
6/20/2005 12:04:46 AM

Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Yes, they do.

Those are raw castings,.... might as well be rocks.



You sent them "rocks" to me thanks!



I've built a few of these guys now, a few hours and a few tools ... it's a weapon without a serial number.
Evil_Ed  [Team Member]
6/20/2005 12:09:54 AM

Originally Posted By Paul:
You sent them "rocks" to me thanks!

photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=4206

I've built a few of these guys now, a few hours and a few tools ... it's a weapon without a serial number.



...And yet still beholden to Cali state law...

May as well drill that extra hole at this point, cause the penalties would be the same
PaDanby  [Member]
6/20/2005 3:50:39 AM
"I don’t how the gun shipment was able to leave the US port without being detected, considering the stringent measures imposed by the US Homeland Security. They use gamma rays in examining goods that pass through their ports," Templo said.

Well we all know how good the Homeland Security folks are.

Actually I bet they don't look at balikbayan boxes at all.
Rick_Lind  [Member]
6/20/2005 4:36:52 AM
This is very interesting.

Where did the "raw castings" originate? Which factory? As we all know, there are only a few. Are they really "raw castings?" I can't see enough detail to tell.

How did they leave the original manufacture's control? (otherwise called "diversion'). Look for US arrests in the Filipino (Pinoy) community at the manufacturer's or distributor's level.

Is this going to precipitate another tightening of US laws re: black guns? I don't see how further tightening down the chain would prevent diversion higher up, but it could affect availability of components, in my speculative state of mind.

Are our Pinoy brethren sending more than money back to the RP?

Inquiring minds want to know!

This is not trolling, this is what I will be watching for.

Regards, and mabuhay,

Rick

PS Speaking of origination, can anyone finger me to the final verdict, if there is one, on the DC Snipers' acquistion of the Bushy used? I have read that it was from a Wa shop, but how, and what was the outcome of the investigation? Google hasn't helped much.

Overall: This type of stuff makes the rest of us look bad and gives gun control advocates lots of fuel. I hate it when this happens. Two steps forward, two steps back, side step, bob left, bob right, jab, jab, jab.

I can't wait for Sgtar15's doll brigade for show and tell.

RL

Specop_007  [Team Member]
6/20/2005 4:42:47 AM

Originally Posted By CRC:
About 100 U.S.-made assault rifles have been discovered in a shipment of household goods from California, and investigators were looking into whether the weapons were intended for an alleged plot to unseat President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, police said Thursday.



If only thats all it took here, hell we'd have Cali liberated in about 2 hours. 30 minutes if we didnt stop for beer n steaks.
Kharn  [Team Member]
6/20/2005 5:33:18 AM
Man, I bet the buyer's pissed to find out two things:
1. His stuff got jacked by Customs.
2. He bought 0% forgings.

And why would you need a DIAS with a 0% forging? Just mill it to accept a real autosear.

RickLind:

Are they really "raw castings?" I can't see enough detail to tell.
Yes, they are 0% forgings, even more worthless than 80% forgings as they're a solid chunk of aluminum, you need a bit of know-how and the right tools to complete'em.

Kharn
2A373  [Team Member]
6/20/2005 7:17:41 AM

Originally Posted By CavVet:


I never got issued an AR-15 rifle when I was a U.S. Troop.



Last time the AF had me qualify with the M-16 (Dec 04) I used one marked "Colt AR-15" that had an A2 upper and three rd burst trigger group in it.
Spade  [Member]
6/20/2005 5:39:59 PM

Originally Posted By PaDanby:
"I don’t how the gun shipment was able to leave the US port without being detected, considering the stringent measures imposed by the US Homeland Security. They use gamma rays in examining goods that pass through their ports," Templo said.

Well we all know how good the Homeland Security folks are.

Actually I bet they don't look at balikbayan boxes at all.




I don't think our guys would be as concerned about stuff leaving the US as they would about containers entering it.
Aimless  [Site Staff]
6/20/2005 6:30:25 PM

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By PaDanby:
"I don’t how the gun shipment was able to leave the US port without being detected, considering the stringent measures imposed by the US Homeland Security. They use gamma rays in examining goods that pass through their ports," Templo said.

Well we all know how good the Homeland Security folks are.

Actually I bet they don't look at balikbayan boxes at all.




I don't think our guys would be as concerned about stuff leaving the US as they would about containers entering it.



yeah right, like we inspect every cargo container leaving the country
fadedsun  [Member]
6/20/2005 8:35:13 PM

Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Yes, they do.

Those are raw castings,.... might as well be rocks.



Castings...as in those are CAST 80% receivers? (IE not forged)

Or am I thinking on the wrong track here?

Ben
Noname  [Team Member]
6/20/2005 8:43:28 PM
Why's the dude on the left wearing a jockstrap on his face...?

2A373  [Team Member]
6/21/2005 7:10:59 AM

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By PaDanby:
"I don’t how the gun shipment was able to leave the US port without being detected, considering the stringent measures imposed by the US Homeland Security. They use gamma rays in examining goods that pass through their ports," Templo said.

Well we all know how good the Homeland Security folks are.

Actually I bet they don't look at balikbayan boxes at all.




I don't think our guys would be as concerned about stuff leaving the US as they would about containers entering it.



yeah right, like we inspect every cargo container leaving the country



Or entering.........
tannery_shop  [Member]
6/21/2005 11:57:52 PM

AFTER LOOKING AT ALL THE INFO AND PICTURES
I SAY THOSE ARE 0% 7075 ALUMINUM FORGINGS

JUST LIKE DSA SELLS FOR 20.00 EACH

I CAN NOT SEE HOW THEY CALL THEM GUNS, OR COMPLETE RIFLES?


WHAT IS THE WORLD COMMING TO?

WILLIAM
dropdbombnow  [Member]
6/22/2005 12:36:12 AM
Gotta agree with William.

The items in the pic's are most assuredly 0% forgings. Probably some of Alcoa's finest, but little more than a bunch of fancy paperweights unless you've got a machine shop to finish 'em out with.

Also have to agree with wildearp in that this is probably some sort of smoke screen covering up some other event. Has Billary been to the Philippines lately?

All good . . . . Doug
ALPHAGHOST  [Member]
6/22/2005 12:58:03 AM
arroyo SUCKS!!!!
nothing but a greedy, corrupt politician pretending to support the war on terrorism

hasnt done crap to help out the situation in PI

i remember when i was there, GWB came over--did not see him

PI is VERY anti-gun policed

hell, i got a cousin who paid a small fortune for a G26 for CCW--he had to wait a hell of a long time for his back ground check through the PI feds, pay a small fortune for the proceedure; his CCW card even has the make, model, and SN of the G26

you could fed-ex em over there though......

captainpooby  [Team Member]
6/22/2005 1:06:19 AM
Actually, the military does issue AR15s. They changed the designation to M16 but the original Armalite Colts were AR15s and the rifle chosen by the US military was an AR15.