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imkrazed  [Member]
5/19/2005 11:56:07 PM
I have seen these "survival crackers" advertised online all they seem to consist of is some tubes, cannon fuse, and binary explosives. I was under the impression it took a tremendous amount of energy to set off binary explostives, and all I can find advertised is a wick. Can anyone explain if this will work or not? And just how? They are susposed to be even louder than m80s.
imkrazed  [Member]
5/20/2005 12:22:31 AM
28 people have read this and nobody knows?
Mead  [Team Member]
5/20/2005 12:28:52 AM
Sorry I don't know...but did you try google
imkrazed  [Member]
5/20/2005 1:35:47 AM
Finaly somthing nobody will anwswer?
Wolfpack  [Team Member]
5/20/2005 1:37:53 AM
Is this one of them "bread" threads in disguise?


imkrazed  [Member]
5/20/2005 1:40:01 AM
right now that just struck me as realy funny
Andreuha  [Team Member]
5/20/2005 1:43:51 AM
Perhaps the fuse sets off a blasting cap, which in turn sets off the explosive? As with dynamite, or any other stable high-explosive?
imkrazed  [Member]
5/20/2005 1:59:49 AM

Originally Posted By Andreuha:
Perhaps the fuse sets off a blasting cap, which in turn sets off the explosive? As with dynamite, or any other stable high-explosive?



I thought about that but I didnt see anything like that in the advertising photo which was susposed to show the whole kit.
Ellery_Holt  [Member]
5/20/2005 2:07:29 AM
How are they supposed to aid in survival? I haven't seen the ad.
imkrazed  [Member]
5/20/2005 2:08:18 AM

Originally Posted By Ellery_Holt:
How are they supposed to aid in survival? I haven't seen the ad.



just google survival crackers
Stealth  [Member]
5/20/2005 2:26:40 AM




btt. this sounds interesting.
samsong  [Member]
5/20/2005 2:34:31 AM
Would a contained firecracker explosion within the tube set off the Tannerite?
Ellery_Holt  [Member]
5/20/2005 2:38:09 AM
So they're edible and they explode. Wow. But I don't see the fuze...
Keith_J  [Member]
5/20/2005 2:41:35 AM

Originally Posted By samsong:
Would a contained firecracker explosion within the tube set off the Tannerite?



No. Your standard DOT Class C common fireworks can have no more than 5 milligrams of flash powder (KClO4 + atomized Al). This is not enough for initiation of anything less than 50% straight dynamite. Tannerite requires more.

Now you can legally get powdered KClO4 and atomized Al & as long as you do not mix and store it, all is fine. If you make any salutes/reports etc from these, you cannot store these and must use them the day they are made, just like Tannerite. Technically, they too are binaries but much more sensitive.

Blasting caps are an exception as they are primary exposives and you do not want to make them AT ALL. Flash powder is treated as a high explosive BUT it requires slight confinement to make a report. Primary explosives detonate regardless of confinement.
imkrazed  [Member]
5/20/2005 12:09:31 PM
All I want to know is if a cannon fuse can set off a small about(around the size of an m80) of binary explosives?
IamtheNRA  [Member]
5/20/2005 12:11:27 PM

Originally Posted By imkrazed:
All I want to know is if a cannon fuse can set off a small about(around the size of an m80) of binary explosives?



No...Tannerite requires the shock of a rifle bullet...you can't just light it...
raven  [Team Member]
5/20/2005 12:12:18 PM
Tanner is selling flash powder? That shit's real dangerous. Friction and static electricity can set it off, and it's about as strong as ammonium nitrate.
imkrazed  [Member]
5/20/2005 12:14:02 PM
It is not sold by tannerite.But is advertised as a binary "survival cracker" even loulder than an m80.
Eli75  [Team Member]
5/20/2005 12:18:18 PM
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IamtheNRA  [Member]
5/20/2005 12:21:07 PM

Originally Posted By imkrazed:
I have seen these "survival crackers" advertised online all they seem to consist of is some tubes, cannon fuse, and binary explosives. I was under the impression it took a tremendous amount of energy to set off binary explostives, and all I can find advertised is a wick. Can anyone explain if this will work or not? And just how? They are susposed to be even louder than m80s.



I thought survival crackers were food...

www.civildefensemuseum.com/cdmuseum2/supply/food.html
CitizenJoel  [Member]
5/20/2005 12:23:32 PM
I think Tanner gets away with selling his kit because you can only shoot it to make it go off. It will not explode by using cannon fuse. It is shock sensitive, which is consistent with it's advertised use.

If you want to make small crackers for you own use, you would simply need to obtain Potassium Perchlorate and Aluminum powder (Indian Black Flake is preferred). Obtain these two items from two separate sources and don't sell anything you make because if you get caught, you will make it really difficult for everyone else that enjoys recreational pyrotechnics (as if it isn't already bad enough).

Simply mix the ingredients on a piece of paper by lifting it back and forth with the pre-weighed ingredients on same. Use 70% Perc and 30% Aluminum powder. When it looks homogenous, place it into whatever capped containers you want to use with a fuse in them and you're done.

People in Europe have trouble getting these ingredients because of expense or laws. Interestingly, the folks over there that make this stuff make their own Potassium Perchlorate using electrolosis. There is a procedure outlined on the web for doing this. They also place aluminum turnings in a ball mill with some Stearine and let it run for a week. This makes a powdererd Al flake that is good for use in salutes and other effects.

It's interesting what you can do on your own. The govt. can't regulate everything.

Be safe.

JAH
napalm  [Team Member]
5/20/2005 12:36:52 PM
Tannerite survival crackers?



Is this what you put the Tannerite survival peanut butter on?

imkrazed  [Member]
5/20/2005 12:51:11 PM

Originally Posted By CitizenJoel:

If you want to make small crackers for you own use, you would simply need to obtain Potassium Perchlorate and Aluminum powder (Indian Black Flake is preferred).



I know how to make flash powder, but I thought german black was preferred?
CitizenJoel  [Member]
5/20/2005 1:22:33 PM
The Indian Blackhead Al uses the same process for it's production and it is essentially the same product. The only difference is that the Indian is eons cheaper...at least when you buy it from the right sources.

The German stuff is more money and works exactly the same as the Indian. I went Indian and never looked back. I go to the fireworks convention (PGI) every year and there are guys selling it in five pound bags for $8/lb.

I'm sure they would sell you a drum for even cheaper.
Ring  [Member]
5/20/2005 6:59:00 PM
i know a local guy that has a 55gal drum of it.. never asked where he got it.

i bought a bunch for my exploding targets..
California_Kid  [Team Member]
5/20/2005 7:08:15 PM

Originally Posted By imkrazed:

Originally Posted By CitizenJoel:

If you want to make small crackers for you own use, you would simply need to obtain Potassium Perchlorate and Aluminum powder (Indian Black Flake is preferred).



I know how to make flash powder, but I thought german black was preferred?



It doesn't make much difference. But 325 mesh magnesium powder works really really well.
Mead  [Team Member]
5/20/2005 7:27:04 PM
Looked at the picture. Are you sure when they say "Survival Cracker" the cracker doesn't actually mean a cracker? Seems fishy.
mjrowley  [Team Member]
5/27/2005 2:00:31 PM

Originally Posted By imkrazed:
I have seen these "survival crackers" advertised online all they seem to consist of is some tubes, cannon fuse, and binary explosives. I was under the impression it took a tremendous amount of energy to set off binary explosives, and all I can find advertised is a wick. Can anyone explain if this will work or not? And just how? They are supposed to be even louder than m80s.



OK you want a real answer?

Danial sells a kit that has Fuse, Tubes, end-caps, 2 powders, one white, one Grey(not same as "Tannerite").

You mix the two powders together to make Flash powder. You can only put so much in each tube to be legal.(again this is not Tannerite)

I've personally used the stuff and it kicks ass. I will never buy another Black cat type firecracker as long as I can make his kits kind.

Very, very powerful.

I made a "strong" one put it on a bottle of tannerite, the tanerite WAS NOT set off.

Any more questions?

Oh he also sells"Cultural Cakes", A type of firework that is legal in all 50 states. They are cool.

Anyone know why his web site is gone?
RyJones  [Team Member]
5/27/2005 8:53:11 PM
a lot of clue-free chatter in this thread. Amazing. You guys need to back away from explosives if you think Tannerite is flash powder. Please, find another hobby before you kill someone innocent.

ETA: his domain expired.
mjrowley  [Team Member]
5/28/2005 12:16:52 AM

Originally Posted By RyJones:
a lot of clue-free chatter in this thread. Amazing. You guys need to back away from explosives if you think Tannerite is flash powder. Please, find another hobby before you kill someone innocent.

ETA: his domain expired.



No Tannerite Is Not Flash Powder.

He has or had a kit that uses Flash powder, that you had to mix.

Totally different products. He way more stuff other than Tannerite for sale. Call him up sometime.

His "Emergency Rockets" are way cool as well.