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 100 round drums for Tommy Guns?
lc_allen28  [Member]
4/29/2005 7:58:10 PM
The title says it all. Is anyone out there producing 100 round drums for the Tommy Gun (1927A1 to be specific). I have a Kahr Arms 50 round mag, but I really want a classic 100 round mag. Am I crazy? (O.k. don't answer that one).

And no, I can't afford an original magazine.

(Originally posted on the rimfire board by accident)
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Happyshooter  [Member]
4/29/2005 8:17:55 PM
Dude, the gun is heavy enough with a stick mag. Heck, it is too heavy empty.
HK_Shooter_03  [Team Member]
4/29/2005 8:23:52 PM
I had a semi Tommy.

After 1500 rounds, I sold it and kept my MP5 clone...



Oh, I forgot to say that it doubled sometimes and it fired out-of-battery once.

There were a list of other problems but, I got it fixed and ditched it...


Good luck finding a drum!
Happyshooter  [Member]
4/29/2005 8:29:00 PM
Which Tommy copy and which MP5 clone?

I still kick myself for not buying an SP89 in 1992 then they were $600
lc_allen28  [Member]
4/29/2005 9:05:13 PM
Oh, I don't worry about weight. I'm a pretty big cornfed fella. I was just wondering. Kahr is making 50 rd. mags which works well in my tommy, and I like the classic look.
BSOG1  [Team Member]
4/29/2005 9:39:03 PM
I think it will be awesome with a 100 round drum. they do ask redicoulis coin for originals.not worth it. anything that has a 100 round capacity kicks ass. heavy,that aint heavy. try shouldering a m60 with a 100 round belt.. hooaaahhhh.
lc_allen28  [Member]
4/29/2005 9:48:44 PM
Yup, I was a 60 gunner in my unit in Germany. That bitch beat the s*** out of me every chance she had. I miss "Bertha", she was a mean whore, but she could hit 800meter target consistently. The only problem was the buttstock would fall off during road marches, and she would fail to feed at the slightest provication, but I loved her (tear forming here). After Desert Storm she was retired. Rest in pieces Bertha you served a lot of guys well. Biotch!
GusHasford  [Member]
4/29/2005 9:57:43 PM
Might look thru this forum:

http://www.machinegunbooks.com/index2.html

There is a strong rumor that Kahr will produce a 100rd C drum. There is also a thread guaging interest in a C drum made by another source. With the Klinton ban gone I don't see why someone won't make them.

The tommy with a fully loaded C drum weighs in around 22 pounds, more than the WWII BAR.
JThompson  [Member]
4/30/2005 9:53:43 PM
The bottom line.... the reproduction 100 round drums don't work.
HK_Shooter_03  [Team Member]
4/30/2005 9:57:37 PM

Originally Posted By Happyshooter:
Which Tommy copy and which MP5 clone?

I still kick myself for not buying an SP89 in 1992 then they were $600



Auto Ord M1


SW5 (Being worked on by Jayson@IGF)
sp1shooter  [Team Member]
4/30/2005 10:03:42 PM
I had one, traded it for an M1 carbine. I think I got screwed but I didn't have a Thompson anymore. I still have a 50 rounder. The 100 was really huge.
johnnyrebel  [Member]
4/30/2005 10:08:46 PM

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By Happyshooter:
Which Tommy copy and which MP5 clone?

I still kick myself for not buying an SP89 in 1992 then they were $600



Auto Ord M1
www.tommygun.com/images/M1.gif

SW5 (Being worked on by Jayson@IGF)
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how can a 16 year old have a sbr?...mommy do the form?
BSOG1  [Team Member]
5/1/2005 4:17:23 PM
lc_allen28, WAS YOUR PIG FAIRLY TEMPERMENTAL? was it worn? where all the 60's
prone to stoppages in your unit? just curious, some hate them some love em. thanks

also im not sure i think the only thompson that takes the drum mag is the 1927a1. with
the foward pistol grip,like the one gangsters used.
lc_allen28  [Member]
5/2/2005 7:22:40 PM
My 60 usually worked fine at the live fire range, but as soon as you tried to fire blanks it bacame a total bear to fire. I usually fired a few blanks and left it at that. My only gripe was the buttstock falling off and the rear sight knocked all the way to the left requiring windage adjustment all the way to the right. A brass punch cured that problem.

I once fired on a night fire range in Germany at 600m targets. One three round burst dropped it, but it never came back up. I "helped out" my buddies to the immediate left and right with excellent results. I tried to keep my bursts to 3-5 rounds until I got it dialed in, and the range officers used to howl at me for not doing the 6-9 round burst like I was taught. Hell that was a waste of ammo until I got on target.

I never realized how accurate it was until that night. The ranges in Germany for shooting longer distances usually did not allow tracers due to the dry grass and chances of fires. So at longer distances we had to sight, fire, and look for dust near our targets to "walk" it in. We didn't have scopes so we just guessed.

As a sidebar, I used to haul the ammo for our ranges when we went to Graf. One dark summer night, I sat up with my buddies pulling tracers out of belts for the SAW's. We realized that after pulling the 100 rd. belt out of the plastic container, we couldn't get them back in. It didn't help that we were in the back of a HEMTT using red lensed flashlights. The next day, every now and then you could see a tracer we had "missed" the night before go downrange.
DavidC  [Team Member]
5/2/2005 7:30:53 PM
The current production Kahr drums are iffy at best. The two I have work for a full load or two, but the cover eventually starts to bend, stopping the drums from feeding properly. Never have any problems with 20 or 30 round mags. This is in my 1928A1.

The 100 round drums just have so limited a market I'd be surprised if anyone decided to make them (Kahr has talked about it), even if original C drums are selling for over $6000.




lc_allen28  [Member]
5/2/2005 7:37:05 PM
Oh that is pretty. I like the finish on the wood parts better than my 1927A1 I got myself for Christmas. I have two 30 rd. mags I'm going to modify to fit my Kahr. I have the round metal file, I know how to do it, but I don't want to screw up two perfectly good magazines.
HK_Shooter_03  [Team Member]
5/2/2005 8:14:05 PM

Originally Posted By johnnyrebel:
how can a 16 year old have a sbr?...mommy do the form?



Daddy filled out the form, I coughed up the check...
DavidC  [Team Member]
5/2/2005 8:19:42 PM

Originally Posted By lc_allen28:
Oh that is pretty. I like the finish on the wood parts better than my 1927A1 I got myself for Christmas. I have two 30 rd. mags I'm going to modify to fit my Kahr. I have the round metal file, I know how to do it, but I don't want to screw up two perfectly good magazines.



Nice thing about the 28; I don't have to modify mags to work.

Downside is that I could have bought around fifteen 1927's for the cost of that 1928
lc_allen28  [Member]
5/2/2005 8:45:49 PM
I don't even want to know how much a 1928 costs They don't pay us teachers enough.
GusHasford  [Member]
5/2/2005 9:14:53 PM
Here is part of the Tommy FAQ from Machinegunbooks.com forum. You can alter the mag catch on the '27 so it will use regular GI mags. Haven't tried it yet on my tommy, but it is on my to do list.


I understand the semi automatic Thompsons won't accept original G.I. stick magazines. How do I modify the magazine catch to accept G.I. 20 and 30 round sticks?
The magazine catch must be modified by lowering the lip that engages the magazine .100" while maintaining the original contours and shape. This is commonly achieved with a Dremel tool or files. After you have removed the safety, move the pivot plate so the ends of the pins are flush with the side of the trigger frame. Pivot the magazine catch out far enough to clear the magazine engaging protrusion from the hole in the trigger guard. Push on the end of the pivot pin part of the mag catch on the far side while pulling the catch out of the hole. Once the magazine engaging protrusion has cleared the side of the trigger guard, carefully allow the catch to rotate and unwind the spring. Remove the catch from the trigger housing . (Assemble in reverse.)

When reshaping the magazine catch, you must duplicate all the contours and angles when lowering the engaging surface. Removing .100" will allow use of unmodified GI magazines. Be careful not to remove too much metal. You may have to refit and test several times to acheive the optimal shape.
BSOG1  [Team Member]
5/3/2005 3:37:57 PM
THANKS GUYS FOR ALL THE M60 AND TOMMYGUN INFO.
COZ_45  [Dealer]
5/3/2005 4:29:18 PM

Originally Posted By GusHasford:
Here is part of the Tommy FAQ from Machinegunbooks.com forum. You can alter the mag catch on the '27 so it will use regular GI mags. Haven't tried it yet on my tommy, but it is on my to do list.


I understand the semi automatic Thompsons won't accept original G.I. stick magazines. How do I modify the magazine catch to accept G.I. 20 and 30 round sticks?
The magazine catch must be modified by lowering the lip that engages the magazine .100" while maintaining the original contours and shape. This is commonly achieved with a Dremel tool or files. After you have removed the safety, move the pivot plate so the ends of the pins are flush with the side of the trigger frame. Pivot the magazine catch out far enough to clear the magazine engaging protrusion from the hole in the trigger guard. Push on the end of the pivot pin part of the mag catch on the far side while pulling the catch out of the hole. Once the magazine engaging protrusion has cleared the side of the trigger guard, carefully allow the catch to rotate and unwind the spring. Remove the catch from the trigger housing . (Assemble in reverse.)

When reshaping the magazine catch, you must duplicate all the contours and angles when lowering the engaging surface. Removing .100" will allow use of unmodified GI magazines. Be careful not to remove too much metal. You may have to refit and test several times to acheive the optimal shape.



I ordered a GI mag catch from Numrich. Had to blue it heavily. Haven't done the work to make it work with the GI mags, but you should do it if you ever plan to get a full auto Tommy. That way you won't have to segregate magazines.

I'm sending my Kaht to PK (see machinegunbooks.com for a guy who does great work on Thompsons) to get a tune up and the catch modified.

I also just received 50 rd drum. Sending that along with the rifle for fitting.
roboman  [Team Member]
5/3/2005 4:30:55 PM

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By johnnyrebel:
how can a 16 year old have a sbr?...mommy do the form?



Daddy filled out the form, I coughed up the check...



In case you aren't kidding, I'm pretty sure that's illegal......
arowneragain  [Team Member]
5/3/2005 4:31:51 PM
Thompsons and M60's......my 2 favorite toys that I'll never be able to afford.



Cool thread, guys!

arowneragain  [Team Member]
5/3/2005 4:32:22 PM

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By johnnyrebel:
how can a 16 year old have a sbr?...mommy do the form?



Daddy filled out the form, I coughed up the check...



In case you aren't kidding, I'm pretty sure that's illegal......



Nothing illegal about paying for his dad's SBR......
roboman  [Team Member]
5/3/2005 4:33:29 PM

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By johnnyrebel:
how can a 16 year old have a sbr?...mommy do the form?



Daddy filled out the form, I coughed up the check...



In case you aren't kidding, I'm pretty sure that's illegal......



Nothing illegal about paying for his dad's SBR......



Isn't it a NFA Straw Sale if his dad is doing all the checks and what not for him?
Silesius  [Member]
5/3/2005 4:33:41 PM

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By johnnyrebel:
how can a 16 year old have a sbr?...mommy do the form?



Daddy filled out the form, I coughed up the check...



Where does a young man get that kind of money
arowneragain  [Team Member]
5/3/2005 4:36:23 PM

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By johnnyrebel:
how can a 16 year old have a sbr?...mommy do the form?



Daddy filled out the form, I coughed up the check...



In case you aren't kidding, I'm pretty sure that's illegal......



Nothing illegal about paying for his dad's SBR......



Isn't it a NFA Straw Sale if his dad is doing all the checks and what not for him?





Not if he still lives at home, and it resides in his dad's safe.


Quit busting his chops over a technicality. Have you ever known of a kid who DIDN'T call his dad's stuff his own?

Doesn't matter who paid for it or not, as long as his dad is responsible enough to maintain legal possession of it until the kid is old enough to take posession.

MagKnightX  [Member]
5/3/2005 4:36:33 PM

Originally Posted By lc_allen28:
I'm a pretty big cornfed fella.



That's pretty funny if you know the other meaning of "cornfed."

I wasn't aware that there even were 100rd drums for the Tommy. I thought 50 was as high as they went. Seems like that much weight would wear even a "pretty big cornfed fella" out pretty fast.
roboman  [Team Member]
5/3/2005 4:37:14 PM

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By johnnyrebel:
how can a 16 year old have a sbr?...mommy do the form?



Daddy filled out the form, I coughed up the check...



In case you aren't kidding, I'm pretty sure that's illegal......



Nothing illegal about paying for his dad's SBR......



Isn't it a NFA Straw Sale if his dad is doing all the checks and what not for him?





Not if he still lives at home, and it resides in his dad's safe.


Quit busting his chops over a technicality. Have you ever known of a kid who DIDN'T call his dad's stuff his own?

Doesn't matter who paid for it or not, as long as his dad is responsible enough to maintain legal possession of it until the kid is old enough to take posession.




I'm not busting his chops asswipe, I'm just wondering if it was legal or not. Good lord.
arowneragain  [Team Member]
5/3/2005 4:39:23 PM

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By johnnyrebel:
how can a 16 year old have a sbr?...mommy do the form?



Daddy filled out the form, I coughed up the check...



In case you aren't kidding, I'm pretty sure that's illegal......



Nothing illegal about paying for his dad's SBR......



Isn't it a NFA Straw Sale if his dad is doing all the checks and what not for him?





Not if he still lives at home, and it resides in his dad's safe.


Quit busting his chops over a technicality. Have you ever known of a kid who DIDN'T call his dad's stuff his own?

Doesn't matter who paid for it or not, as long as his dad is responsible enough to maintain legal possession of it until the kid is old enough to take posession.




I'm not busting his chops asswipe, I'm just wondering if it was legal or not. Good lord.



Actually, you WERE 'busting his chops'. You weren't wondering about anything; you were riding him about a technicality.


roboman  [Team Member]
5/3/2005 4:42:03 PM

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By johnnyrebel:
how can a 16 year old have a sbr?...mommy do the form?



Daddy filled out the form, I coughed up the check...



In case you aren't kidding, I'm pretty sure that's illegal......



Nothing illegal about paying for his dad's SBR......



Isn't it a NFA Straw Sale if his dad is doing all the checks and what not for him?





Not if he still lives at home, and it resides in his dad's safe.


Quit busting his chops over a technicality. Have you ever known of a kid who DIDN'T call his dad's stuff his own?

Doesn't matter who paid for it or not, as long as his dad is responsible enough to maintain legal possession of it until the kid is old enough to take posession.




I'm not busting his chops asswipe, I'm just wondering if it was legal or not. Good lord.



Actually, you WERE 'busting his chops'. You weren't wondering about anything; you were riding him about a technicality.





Technicality? The NFA and violating it isn't much to screw around with. What are you, his father?
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