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shop_rat45  [Team Member]
4/3/2005 3:26:23 AM
I'm tearing into my walls to remodel my kitchen. The walls are filled with a light gray blown insulation. The house was built in 1954. Any ideas on how to tell if it is asbestos or not? Thanks for the help!!

Kris
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operatorerror  [Team Member]
4/3/2005 3:33:24 AM
Breath deeply.

Wait awhile.

Then go in for chest x-rays.

ETA , sorry, I don't know.
eodtech2000  [Team Member]
4/3/2005 3:37:25 AM
Sounds like cellulose insulation to me.
Keith_J  [Member]
4/3/2005 3:48:50 AM

Originally Posted By shop_rat45:
I'm tearing into my walls to remodel my kitchen. The walls are filled with a light gray blown insulation. The house was built in 1954. Any ideas on how to tell if it is asbestos or not? Thanks for the help!!

Kris



Probably not. Asbestos is a very fine fiber, usually grey-white and most often used as a textile (woven) or as a semi-solid, packed insulation. It was not often used in "fluffed" form unless for firebox insulation.
JB69  [Member]
4/3/2005 3:51:55 AM

Post a pic of the stuff if you can. if it's loose, kinda fluffy, and looks sort of like "'shredded newspaper" it's not... that's cellulose loose fill insulation. Nasty to breathe, but wont kill ya.

There's also a Mica based loose fill insulation that looks like granules. Think 'shiny-ish' cat litter. That also is totally safe... Total bitch though to work around, as the crap just POURS out of every damn hole or gap in the walls, especially when you need to cut in a switchbox or something like it.





glockguy40  [Member]
4/3/2005 3:52:00 AM
Just so you know... though it might be a bit late... your neighbors can sue you if you rip into your walls and release asbestos into the air. So, you should probably find out what it is first before ripping up the house. Asbestos has to be professionally removed.
Swindle1984  [Member]
4/3/2005 3:57:30 AM
Inhale it and see if you develop cancer or bleeding of the lungs.
Pistonman  [Member]
4/3/2005 4:04:43 AM
We always called the grey fluffy stuff "rockwool".
I hope it wasn't too bad, had to deal with plenty of it.
FOX-  [Team Member]
4/3/2005 4:08:26 AM
sprist  [Member]
4/3/2005 4:16:30 AM
just have an undocumented asbestos expert remove it
JB69  [Member]
4/3/2005 4:24:18 AM

Originally Posted By Pistonman:
We always called the grey fluffy stuff "rockwool".
I hope it wasn't too bad, had to deal with plenty of it.




If it's the grey fluffy stuff I mentioned above, that's the cellulose loose fill. It came in big bags and was either poured in ceilings, or blown, for the walls.

It's actually a chemically treated (for fire retardance) wood/paper product. You don't want to spend a bunch of time in the attic, kicking it around without a mask, of course, but it's not 'deadly' like asbestos.

Actual "Rock Wool" (or Slag Wool) is a totally different product. It looks like dense, darker colored fiberglass.


www.naima.org/pages/resources/safety/rock1.html
Safety of Rock and Slag Wool Insulation

Rock and slag wool fall within a group of materials historically referred to as man-made vitreous fibers, now known as synthetic vitreous fibers (SVFs) - reflecting the glassy, non-crystalline nature of these materials. The mineral wool form of SVF was developed in the mid-1800s by melting slag and spinning it into insulation. Rock wool is made from natural minerals like basalt or diabase. Slag wool is made primarily from iron ore blast furnace slag.


Rock/Slag wool are also not carcinogenic. But that doesn't mean they wont cause lung disease. Same as exposure to fiberglass dust. All will cause irritation and other nastiness to your lungs, with too much exposure.

Asbestos insulation was usually installed in a semi-rigid board form.... not loose fill, but it's always best to know for sure and be safe..... One tiny little piece of asbestos in your lung can cause cancer.... Not worth taking a chance.





NYC-M4  [Team Member]
4/3/2005 10:12:35 AM
If it tastes like Oatmeal its Asbestos. If it tastes like Corn Flakes its cellulose.

Sorry I dont know Im just an Ass today....
shop_rat45  [Team Member]
4/3/2005 11:19:20 AM

Originally Posted By sprist:
just have an undocumented asbestos expert remove it



But the minute men aren't letting them get here.
WinstonSmith  [Team Member]
4/3/2005 12:43:45 PM
Get it tested. Wear HEPA filters one way or the other. If it is asbestos, have it removed and disposed of in a legal fashion using proper wet methods and negative pressure containment.

They made me get certified for my job, I'm a NJ State Class III Asbestos Worker. I got the two-day course..
fxntime  [Member]
4/3/2005 3:24:28 PM

Originally Posted By JB69

There's also a Mica based loose fill insulation that looks like granules. Think 'shiny-ish' cat litter. That also is totally safe... Total bitch though to work around, as the crap just POURS out of every damn hole or gap in the walls, especially when you need to cut in a switchbox or something like it.







Vermiculite, and some of is IS laced with asbestos. Most of the laced vermiculite came from 1 or 2 mines. Do NOT assume it is asbestos free. Now, as a homeowner, you can do whatever you want pretty much with asbestos. Sad but true, contractors and such are under much different regs tho. Always remember, non friable asbestos is pretty much 100% harmless unless it is drilled dry or ground. Friable [crumbles under hand pressure] is a different beast and should be left to the experts with proper equipment. It might be that your insulation was blown in at a later date, a whole lot of it was put in in the 70s and the "gas crisis" of the time. Either way one should ALWAYS use a proper mask when working with almost any insulation. BTW I work for Consumers, you work at the shoprat shop on M-106?
BillofRights  [Member]
4/3/2005 3:56:07 PM
When I had a similar dilemma, I found a local lab that gave me a determination for about $40.00
JB69  [Member]
4/3/2005 4:46:02 PM

Originally Posted By fxntime:

Originally Posted By JB69

There's also a Mica based loose fill insulation that looks like granules. Think 'shiny-ish' cat litter. That also is totally safe... Total bitch though to work around, as the crap just POURS out of every damn hole or gap in the walls, especially when you need to cut in a switchbox or something like it.




Vermiculite, and some of is IS laced with asbestos. Most of the laced vermiculite came from 1 or 2 mines. Do NOT assume it is asbestos free. Now, as a homeowner, you can do whatever you want pretty much with asbestos. Sad but true, contractors and such are under much different regs tho. Always remember, non friable asbestos is pretty much 100% harmless unless it is drilled dry or ground. Friable [crumbles under hand pressure] is a different beast and should be left to the experts with proper equipment. It might be that your insulation was blown in at a later date, a whole lot of it was put in in the 70s and the "gas crisis" of the time. Either way one should ALWAYS use a proper mask when working with almost any insulation. BTW I work for Consumers, you work at the shoprat shop on M-106?




shop_rat45  [Team Member]
4/3/2005 11:09:19 PM

Originally Posted By fxntime:

Originally Posted By JB69

There's also a Mica based loose fill insulation that looks like granules. Think 'shiny-ish' cat litter. That also is totally safe... Total bitch though to work around, as the crap just POURS out of every damn hole or gap in the walls, especially when you need to cut in a switchbox or something like it.







Vermiculite, and some of is IS laced with asbestos. Most of the laced vermiculite came from 1 or 2 mines. Do NOT assume it is asbestos free. Now, as a homeowner, you can do whatever you want pretty much with asbestos. Sad but true, contractors and such are under much different regs tho. Always remember, non friable asbestos is pretty much 100% harmless unless it is drilled dry or ground. Friable [crumbles under hand pressure] is a different beast and should be left to the experts with proper equipment. It might be that your insulation was blown in at a later date, a whole lot of it was put in in the 70s and the "gas crisis" of the time. Either way one should ALWAYS use a proper mask when working with almost any insulation. BTW I work for Consumers, you work at the shoprat shop on M-106?




That's funny. I've been asked about this place before. No I don't work there. I work for GM hence the "shop_rat" name the 45 is for the ammo. So, what is this shoprat?? Could some one snap a pic of it?? Where is it located? (city?) Thanks,

Kris
fxntime  [Member]
4/3/2005 11:37:01 PM

Originally Posted By shop_rat45:

Originally Posted By fxntime:

Originally Posted By JB69

There's also a Mica based loose fill insulation that looks like granules. Think 'shiny-ish' cat litter. That also is totally safe... Total bitch though to work around, as the crap just POURS out of every damn hole or gap in the walls, especially when you need to cut in a switchbox or something like it.







Vermiculite, and some of is IS laced with asbestos. Most of the laced vermiculite came from 1 or 2 mines. Do NOT assume it is asbestos free. Now, as a homeowner, you can do whatever you want pretty much with asbestos. Sad but true, contractors and such are under much different regs tho. Always remember, non friable asbestos is pretty much 100% harmless unless it is drilled dry or ground. Friable [crumbles under hand pressure] is a different beast and should be left to the experts with proper equipment. It might be that your insulation was blown in at a later date, a whole lot of it was put in in the 70s and the "gas crisis" of the time. Either way one should ALWAYS use a proper mask when working with almost any insulation. BTW I work for Consumers, you work at the shoprat shop on M-106?




That's funny. I've been asked about this place before. No I don't work there. I work for GM hence the "shop_rat" name the 45 is for the ammo. So, what is this shoprat?? Could some one snap a pic of it?? Where is it located? (city?) Thanks,

Kris


Shoprat is the name of a company located about 12-14 miles north of jackson on M-106. [heading to Stockbridge]
red-don  [Member]
4/3/2005 11:39:09 PM
When Mt. St. Helens blew, a downwind university looked into it and determined that based on asbestos mining data, breathing mineral dust for 2-3 weeks wasn't a health risk. But asbestos removal is a cash cow not rooted in real data, so hence the marketing/fear mongering/legislation/irrational fears.
shop_rat45  [Team Member]
4/4/2005 12:54:48 AM

Originally Posted By fxntime:

Originally Posted By shop_rat45:

Originally Posted By fxntime:

Originally Posted By JB69

There's also a Mica based loose fill insulation that looks like granules. Think 'shiny-ish' cat litter. That also is totally safe... Total bitch though to work around, as the crap just POURS out of every damn hole or gap in the walls, especially when you need to cut in a switchbox or something like it.







Vermiculite, and some of is IS laced with asbestos. Most of the laced vermiculite came from 1 or 2 mines. Do NOT assume it is asbestos free. Now, as a homeowner, you can do whatever you want pretty much with asbestos. Sad but true, contractors and such are under much different regs tho. Always remember, non friable asbestos is pretty much 100% harmless unless it is drilled dry or ground. Friable [crumbles under hand pressure] is a different beast and should be left to the experts with proper equipment. It might be that your insulation was blown in at a later date, a whole lot of it was put in in the 70s and the "gas crisis" of the time. Either way one should ALWAYS use a proper mask when working with almost any insulation. BTW I work for Consumers, you work at the shoprat shop on M-106?




That's funny. I've been asked about this place before. No I don't work there. I work for GM hence the "shop_rat" name the 45 is for the ammo. So, what is this shoprat?? Could some one snap a pic of it?? Where is it located? (city?) Thanks,

Kris


Shoprat is the name of a company located about 12-14 miles north of jackson on M-106. [heading to Stockbridge]



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