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 F/A-22 external fuel tank jettision pictures
2A373  [Member]
8/14/2004 8:54:42 AM EST
Here are some pictures from the first in-flight external fuel tank jettison test. They are 600 gallon tanks.





Here is a graphic showing what the F-22 can carry. The 100# JDAM is incorrect, it should be 1000#. In the ferry configuration the external missles cannot be fired.
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Wolfpack  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 8:56:59 AM EST
Nice pics..thanks.
Waldo  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 8:57:21 AM EST


What's the point? That was sold as being long range supercruise on internal fuel and arms to stay stealthy.
Sharkman  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 8:59:27 AM EST
Cool!
SPECTRE  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 8:59:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By Waldo:

What's the point? That was sold as being long range supercruise on internal fuel and arms to stay stealthy.




Uhhh, my guess would be.......
1- To test a system to make sure if its ever needed it works.
2- to use the external tanks untill they reach enemy territory then drop and have plenty of fuel to carry out mission and then some.
SJSAMPLE  [Member]
8/14/2004 9:10:17 AM EST
There's also talk of using the F-22 as a strike bomber, like the F-117 or the F-111. It's go the speed over the F-117 and B-2 and the stealth over the F-111. As soon as you get close enough to drops, you take advantage of the stealthy characteristics.
warlord  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 9:13:48 AM EST
You know when you drop those tanks, what happens to them. Are they recovered for scrape metal?
W_smith  [Member]
8/14/2004 9:19:42 AM EST

CooL!
Wobblin-Goblin  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 9:21:32 AM EST
I'm sure the externals are for extended range, not for loitering or actual time in enemy airspace.
Max_Mike  [Member]
8/14/2004 9:22:55 AM EST

You know when you drop those tanks, what happens to them. Are they recovered for scrape metal?


No but you don't dorp tanks unless you need to.
redfisher  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 9:27:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:
There's also talk of using the F-22 as a strike bomber, like the F-117 or the F-111. It's go the speed over the F-117 and B-2 and the stealth over the F-111. As soon as you get close enough to drops, you take advantage of the stealthy characteristics.



only 2 JDAM's?
It would seem that such a role would warrant greater air to ground ordanance, but hey, if no one or nothing can catch or shoot you, I guess a lighter load works

and BTW: great pix
napalm  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 9:30:38 AM EST
How come the top two pictures don't match the bottom three pictures?

The bottom three photos show the external tanks painted black and white. The top two pictures show the tanks the same color as the aircraft.
eodtech2000  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 9:30:51 AM EST
They are looking at the YF-23 again as a stealth bomber as IIRC its configuration is better suited.
2A373  [Member]
8/14/2004 9:44:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By napalm:
How come the top two pictures don't match the bottom three pictures?

The bottom three photos show the external tanks painted black and white. The top two pictures show the tanks the same color as the aircraft.



Opps, I forgot that the first two were from a captive flight test.
Blackjack272  [Member]
8/14/2004 9:55:48 AM EST
Those tanks are only for a ferry role.
rayra  [Member]
8/14/2004 9:57:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Waldo:

What's the point? That was sold as being long range supercruise on internal fuel and arms to stay stealthy.


That's during combat missions.
The tanks are for self-deploying half-way around the world from US basing.
rayra  [Member]
8/14/2004 10:00:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By napalm:
How come the top two pictures don't match the bottom three pictures?

The bottom three photos show the external tanks painted black and white. The top two pictures show the tanks the same color as the aircraft.

Earlier flight test. When doing flight testing, flight envelope testing, they rarely test multiple operations on the same mission.
jtw2  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 10:03:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By warlord:
You know when you drop those tanks, what happens to them. Are they recovered for scrape metal?



The VC grab them, stuff them full of explosives and use them to blow up tanks!
Winston_Wolf  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 10:06:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By Waldo:

What's the point? That was sold as being long range supercruise on internal fuel and arms to stay stealthy.



... Ferrying
FOX-  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 10:07:05 AM EST
Awwww... I wanted to see some explosions.
2A373  [Member]
8/14/2004 11:26:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By FOX-:
Awwww... I wanted to see some explosions.



We are working on that, JDAM drop testing just started.

In the mean time here's this;
FOX-  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 11:35:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By FOX-:
Awwww... I wanted to see some explosions.



We are working on that, JDAM drop testing just started.

In the mean time here's this;
img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nanneya/4002Aim-91.jpg




sharky30  [Member]
8/14/2004 11:46:58 AM EST
sweet. more pics for my desktop rotation
ArmdLbrl  [Member]
8/14/2004 1:34:30 PM EST
Can those 8 missiles carried under the wings in the ferry configuration actually be fired? They look like they are semi recessed into the wing, is that just how they transport their own reloads?

The Raptor, and the F-35 that follows were always designed to be used as a normal fighter if needed, the stealth role is just what makes them DIFFERENT from existing fighters. On a defensive interceptor mission (like defending Taiwan or South Korean airspace), or for after air superiority has been won they always were expected to carry extra tonnage or missiles under the wings since by then high stealth is redundant, there is nothing left to shoot at them that uses radar.
sick  [Member]
8/14/2004 1:42:51 PM EST
uber cool now got any photos of the YF-23?
ArmdLbrl  [Member]
8/14/2004 1:50:19 PM EST
Dude, I just noticed, when the Raptor drops tanks it drops PYLON and ALL! Thats interesting.
2A373  [Member]
8/14/2004 3:56:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Can those 8 missiles carried under the wings in the ferry configuration actually be fired? They look like they are semi recessed into the wing, is that just how they transport their own reloads?

The Raptor, and the F-35 that follows were always designed to be used as a normal fighter if needed, the stealth role is just what makes them DIFFERENT from existing fighters. On a defensive interceptor mission (like defending Taiwan or South Korean airspace), or for after air superiority has been won they always were expected to carry extra tonnage or missiles under the wings since by then high stealth is redundant, there is nothing left to shoot at them that uses radar.



No, the external missiles cannot be fired in the ferry configuration; they are just being carried as a way to deploy with extra missiles. They are not recessed into the wing, they just fit so close to it that they cannot be fired due to the rocket motor exhaust.


F-16's also jettison the tank and pylon as one assembly.
2A373  [Member]
8/14/2004 3:57:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By sick:
uber cool now got any photos of the YF-23?



No.
GIJoe  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 4:00:13 PM EST
F-16? Might want to check that. The pylon is bolted through the wing.
Bert_MN  [Member]
8/14/2004 4:12:52 PM EST
F-15's pylons can be jettisoned...F-16's are bolted with 3 bolts and saftey wired

BK

Former Load Toad here... man I miss it
Shooter521  [Member]
8/14/2004 5:37:36 PM EST
Man... the Raptor is one sexy bird, even with drop tanks!
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