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 Why you don't park a C-130 on asphalt
2A373  [Member]
8/13/2004 9:51:44 PM
Four C-130 transports, full of dignitaries and other stuff, were flown
to Textron's airfield outside Dallas, for the roll out of the CV-22
aircraft.
The people arranging the ceremonies were warned that the runway could
not handle an aircraft as heavy as the C-130. These warnings were
ignored. See what happened....






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Synister1  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 9:53:33 PM


Well at theast they don't need the tire chalks.



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Taxman  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 9:55:02 PM
It'll be allight
TWHaz  [Member]
8/13/2004 9:55:28 PM
KOOL
nchapa  [Member]
8/13/2004 9:55:44 PM
yo mama so fat!!!!
skid2964  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 9:55:50 PM
This asphalt cant handle your C-130 .... coming anyway?

ok, be sure and load something in the cargo area that you can drive home!
also, no need to bring wheel chocks!
arowneragain  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 9:57:27 PM
If that were in TN, MS, or AL, dozens of folks would show up with winch-equipped 4x4's and have that baby unstuck in no time.
Knight_Shadow  [Member]
8/13/2004 9:58:16 PM
it gets damn hot here in Texas
skid2964  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 9:59:10 PM

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
If that were in TN, MS, or AL, dozens of folks would show up with winch-equipped 4x4's and have that baby unstuck in no time.



If that were a TN, LA, MS or AL gaurd aircraft, it would have monster mudder tires and a 12" suspension lift on it !
twonami  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 9:59:43 PM
Which government contracter made that cheap ass tarmac!?
The MN-ANG based in Minneapolis/St. Paul does there touch and goes with their Hercs all the time at my dinky local airport in Rochester, MN and they land and stay on occasions and they never had a problem like that.
It's a small airport, only planes here are AA, Northworst, FedEx, DHL and assorted private planes
Lightning_P38  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 10:06:08 PM
I have seen tons of 130's parked on Tarmacs all around the world, that must be some kind of test facility where they have no expectation of any thing even remotely heavy, I would hate to see what a loaded down C5 would have done to it.
MiG-21  [Member]
8/13/2004 10:08:57 PM

Originally Posted By skid2964:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
If that were in TN, MS, or AL, dozens of folks would show up with winch-equipped 4x4's and have that baby unstuck in no time.



If that were a TN, LA, MS or AL gaurd aircraft, it would have monster mudder tires and a 12" suspension lift on it !


Don't know about the others, but LA Guard doesn't have 130's. They have F-15's.
twonami  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 10:10:30 PM
maybe that's one of those runways where the plane is kept from running of the end like at LaGuardia
Merrell  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 10:10:55 PM





trouble ensues at the RBPGA* when Rosie and Hillary are doubled up in the same golf cart..



*Really big people's golf association
Burley  [Member]
8/13/2004 10:12:40 PM

Originally Posted By Synister1:


Well at theast they don't need the tire chalks.



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What's a tire chalk?
twonami  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 10:16:38 PM

Originally Posted By Burley:

Originally Posted By Synister1:


Well at theast they don't need the tire chalks.



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What's a tire chalk?



like chocks but dosen't come in a bottle
Burley  [Member]
8/13/2004 10:18:21 PM

Originally Posted By twonami:

Originally Posted By Burley:

Originally Posted By Synister1:


Well at theast they don't need the tire chalks.



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What's a tire chalk?



like chocks but dosen't come in a bottle



I was being facetious.
GC456  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 10:18:38 PM
Yikes!
ScaryGuy  [Member]
8/13/2004 10:19:47 PM
Just get some JATO bottles and rocket it's ass outta there....

SG
2A373  [Member]
8/13/2004 10:19:58 PM

Originally Posted By Burley:

Originally Posted By Synister1:


Well at theast they don't need the tire chalks.



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What's a tire chalk?



The yellow thing on the left side of this picture.
captainpooby  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 10:24:48 PM
The Special Boat Unit was doing some jumps here in one of their Hercs before and the airport manager was pissed at the damage they did.
Its terribly heartbreaking to watch a dozen guys jump a C-130 all day long and not be allowed in it.
MrPotatoHead  [Member]
8/13/2004 10:25:14 PM
Just throw the engine thrust lever forward.

All the way.

Then squeeze.
Greywolf2112  [Member]
8/13/2004 10:26:47 PM
Pwned!
Burley  [Member]
8/13/2004 10:29:38 PM

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By Burley:

Originally Posted By Synister1:


Well at theast they don't need the tire chalks.



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What's a tire chalk?



The yellow thing on the left side of this picture.
img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nanneya/Herc2.jpg



That's a chock, not a chalk.
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 10:30:40 PM
Yeah, I'll bet it could get itself out of those ruts with only minor damage to the gear doors. Herks are very good on unimproved fields.

I wonder if that damage was an instantaneous thing, or it took a little while for the asphalt to flow?

CJ
mo4040  [Member]
8/13/2004 10:31:22 PM
It's not the asphalts fault.....so to speak. Runways and taxiways are rated for their weigh bearing capability. Generally speaking, the smaller the airport, the smaller (and lighter) the aircraft using it will be. Hence, the runways/taxiways/ramps will be rated for lighter weights.

Contrast that with airports that handle "heavy" aircraft (currently, heavies are those more than 257,000 lb gross take-off weight), those runways will have a concrete underlayment several feet thisck. It is even thicker at each end of the runway were the aircraft touchdown. I visited Wright-Patterson AFB and I was told that the touchdown zones on the runways had concrete underlayment that was ten feet thick. The pilots of those Herky Birds should have called the airport ops before hand to see what the apron was rated for......
gt6plus  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 10:35:15 PM
looks like hydraulics damage on this side

skid2964  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 10:35:26 PM

Originally Posted By MiG-21:

Originally Posted By skid2964:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
If that were in TN, MS, or AL, dozens of folks would show up with winch-equipped 4x4's and have that baby unstuck in no time.



If that were a TN, LA, MS or AL gaurd aircraft, it would have monster mudder tires and a 12" suspension lift on it !


Don't know about the others, but LA Guard doesn't have 130's. They have F-15's.



The 172nd AW here in Jackson recently got the C-17 Globemaster (had 130s and 141s)


I know there are several ANG groups around the state that each have different aircraft ...
I've seen A-10s near Hattiesburg, MS and T-38 trainers near Columbus, MS ... actually had two
fly up along side my dad-in-law and I one time while we were in his Bonanza ... that was cool, they waved then kicked it and left us like we were standing still .....

I like watching the A-10s and B-52s around Shreveport when I go through that area!


blueshockey  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 10:35:30 PM
Reminds me... my company was so anxious to get into our new building this year everyone that rode a motorcycle was saying that their kick-stand was sinking into the asphalt as it was freshly laid.
M4  [Member]
8/13/2004 11:19:07 PM
God damn, that is a heavy plane. I can't belive it literally crushed through the asphalt.
ChiefPilot  [Member]
8/13/2004 11:19:46 PM

The MN-ANG based in Minneapolis/St. Paul does there touch and goes with their Hercs all the time at my dinky local airport in Rochester, MN and they land and stay on occasions and they never had a problem like that.


The ramps / runways at KRST are concrete and thus don't soften in the heat. I've seen 747's at Rochester before, and King Hussain of Jordan would frequently park his L1011 there as well. KRST is actually a good size airport, runway wise, and is able to handle most commercial airliners as well as military aircraft.
eaglebite  [Team Member]
8/13/2004 11:19:59 PM
Did you get those pics from QA?
KA3B  [Member]
8/13/2004 11:53:24 PM
That was Addison Field in 2000.

Nope, that the APU exhaust door, that fluid is the APU engine oil that has leaked out / spilled during servicing and sits inside the compartment or under the APU compartment in a void.
Aircraft sinks down with a nose up attitude and the oil drains out.
Happens all the time when jacking the right side for main mount changes.



Originally Posted By gt6plus:
looks like hydraulics damage on this side

img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nanneya/Herc3.jpg

rasanders22  [Member]
8/13/2004 11:55:12 PM
Was Micheal Moore and Rosie O'Donnal on the plan?
thebomber  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 12:48:43 AM

Originally Posted By nchapa:
yo mama so fat!!!!



FLMAO.......the back of her neck looks like a pack of hotdogs


Bomber
LWilde  [Member]
8/14/2004 8:48:14 AM

Originally Posted By KA3B:
That was Addison Field in 2000.

Nope, that the APU exhaust door, that fluid is the APU engine oil that has leaked out / spilled during servicing and sits inside the compartment or under the APU compartment in a void.
Aircraft sinks down with a nose up attitude and the oil drains out.
Happens all the time when jacking the right side for main mount changes.



Originally Posted By gt6plus:
looks like hydraulics damage on this side

img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nanneya/Herc3.jpg




Yup...its old. Can't remember how they extracted the Herc tho'...anyone remember?
Jarhead_22  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 9:01:51 AM
That's going to leave a mark...on someone's career.
airtranscrash  [Member]
8/14/2004 9:02:24 AM
seeing as i work with the hummingbirds, 17s, 5s and other cargo... i'd have to say a number of things..
first, it looks like the herc was taxing in, if it was on the landing, a LOT of damage would have ensued... no way it could have stopped that quick... look at the length and depth or the ruts... probably hit a soft spot and sunk.

i hate 17s, they are much more reliable than the c5s but loading them, omniing the pallets (rotating on the aircraft) and so much other stuff is a pain.. and it holds half... less than half, of the cargo.

and a tire chalk is abig yellow or plastick block which we place infront and behind the tires in order to prevent the aircraft or vehicle from rolling away on the flightline... causing damage. these are necesary on vehicles for safety due to a history of idiots not using their parking brake and putting their vehicle in park.
the use of chalks on aircraft is obvious though.

loading the hercs is a piece of cake.
Va_Dinger  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 9:04:30 AM
Thats GOT to suck!
Mahatma8Rice  [Member]
8/14/2004 9:06:44 AM
That looks like the WalMart parking lot in Lufkin. The lot is about one year old and Hondas are sinking into it.
Just_Some_Guy  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 9:13:01 AM

Originally Posted By Burley:

Originally Posted By Synister1:


Well at theast they don't need the tire chalks.



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What's a tire chalk?


It's that stuff meter maids use to mark your tire so they can decide when to give you a parking ticket.
SorryOciffer  [Member]
8/14/2004 9:27:04 AM
I have little doubt that powered up it'll pull its self out.

S.O.
Sweep  [Site Staff]
8/14/2004 9:57:56 AM

Originally Posted By blueshockey:
Reminds me... my company was so anxious to get into our new building this year everyone that rode a motorcycle was saying that their kick-stand was sinking into the asphalt as it was freshly laid.



A piece of 4in x 4in plywood does wonders for that.
CAMPYBOB  [Site Staff]
8/14/2004 10:24:34 AM
A piece of 4in x 4in plywood does wonders for that.

flattened beer can for the real hardcore!
Q  [Member]
8/14/2004 11:10:03 AM

Originally Posted By twonami:
Which government contracter made that cheap ass tarmac!?



Don't you know? It's Halliburton!
-Duke-Nukem-  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 11:28:20 AM
Hello, is this O'Reilly Automotive? I'd like to order 150 of these please...

anothergene  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 11:39:17 AM
I'm wondering if it happened fast or slowly sank in...like a '59 Caddy on a hot day at a red light?
Looks like he rolled into it...with no turning back at that point.
Either way, someones got some 'splainin' to do.
doubleclaw  [Member]
8/14/2004 11:51:28 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nanneya/Herc5.jpg


Wonder what the TM says about THIS? Hmmmm....
H46Driver  [Member]
8/14/2004 12:45:44 PM

Originally Posted By mo4040:
The pilots of those Herky Birds should have called the airport ops before hand to see what the apron was rated for......



They didn't have to call. Those figures are in flight planning pubs. Somebody's squadron is going to get a nice bill to pay from their OPTAR $$.
mohabie  [Team Member]
8/14/2004 12:54:36 PM
Look at the alligator cracking in those pics. That pavement could barely support the full on weight of a Cessna 182 let alone a C-130.
KA3B  [Member]
8/14/2004 1:16:12 PM
I think they put the wing and nose jacks on it, defueled it,, dug out the area around the main mounts and filled it in with quick set cement. I seem to remember that they waited until after the sun set. Then they towed it on out.

The C-130 couldn't have weighed more than 90,000 - 100,000 lbs. All the aircrew had to do was check the -1 for the Ground Floatation requirements and use the equivlant single wheel load index to figure it out.
Off the top of my head I think they probably should have lowered the tire pressures to about 60-70 lbs in order to keep from sinking into the runway.



Originally Posted By LWilde:
Yup...its old. Can't remember how they extracted the Herc tho'...anyone remember?

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