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TheKill  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:08:27 AM
I have been following this for awhile now. Kid was arrested during a traffic stop due to a pot pipe laying in the vehicle near him. Kid gets combative while in custody in the squad car, officer pulls over and calls for assistance. Puts a NBC hood on the kid, claims he thought it was a "spit bag". WTF is a spit bag?

Is this a training issue or what? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if you don't put a gas mask on right, you can't breathe!

Essentially, the 20 year old died due to incompetence or ignorance. Get ready for the lawsuit Mequon.....

www.jsonline.com/news/ozwash/jun04/240533.asp

Officer who put hood on man who died is identified
Sheridan investigation may be done by next week
By MIKE JOHNSON
mikejohnson@journalsentinel.com
Posted: July 1, 2004
Mequon - The lead investigator looking into the death of Matthew Sheridan, the 20-year-old man who died in Mequon police custody, on Wednesday identified Gregory Klobukowski as the officer who placed a high-tech respirator over Sheridan's head shortly before he died.

Matthew Sheridan


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Matthew Sheridan, 20, died in police custody.


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6/24/04: Attorney defends officer over death
6/22/04: High-tech hood put on Mequon suspect
6/20/04: Suspect's death while in custody under review
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Until now, authorities had refused to identify the officer who used the SURVIVAIR Quick2000 escape hood on Sheridan on June 19, believing it was a spit bag, a device to protect officers from saliva.

While saying it was Mequon officer Klobukowski who put the hood on Sheridan, Ozaukee County sheriff's Lt. Dean Roberts would not say what role, if any, other officers on the scene had in restraining Sheridan.

Klobukowski's attorney, Michael F. Hart, declined to comment until the investigation is completed.

Mequon police reports show that officers from police departments in Bayside, Fox Point and River Hills went to the area of Interstate 43 and Good Hope Road, where Klobukowski stopped his squad car while taking Sheridan to the Mequon police station.

Bayside Police Chief Bruce Resnick and Fox Point Police Chief Tom Czaja had said earlier that their officers did not put the hood on Sheridan.

Klobukowski pulled over because Sheridan was yelling and kicking the squad car doors, according to the reports and recorded police radio transmissions. Additional restraints, including the hood, were placed on Sheridan, a report says.

Klobukowski, a Mequon officer for seven years, has been at home on administrative leave, which is routine during such investigations.

Roberts, meanwhile, said he could wrap up the investigation into Sheridan's death by next week.

Roberts met on Tuesday with Milwaukee County Medical Examiner Jeffrey M. Jentzen to review preliminary toxicology results and autopsy findings. The medical examiner's office conducted the Sheridan autopsy and other tests for the Ozaukee County coroner's office.

The medical examiner's office is still awaiting results of some tests, Roberts said.

Tests included a comprehensive screening to determine whether alcohol or illegal drugs were in Sheridan's system when he died.

A preliminary report has been finished on the toxicology tests. But officials have declined to release the report, saying that additional testing could change the preliminary findings.

So far, the cause of Sheridan's death has not been determined.

It also is not known whether the respirator caused or contributed to Sheridan's death.

The SURVIVAIR Quick2000 mask covers the head and seals around the neck. It is designed to protect against chemical and biological agents. It could cause death if used improperly, its manufacturer said.

Sheridan had been arrested June 19 on a drug paraphernalia possession charge after Bayside police stopped the vehicle in which he was riding on I-43 because it did not have license plates.

During the stop, Bayside police learned the car matched the description of a vehicle that reportedly drove away from a Mequon gas station without the driver paying for $10 in gas. The Bayside officers notified Mequon police. Bayside police made no arrests in the case.

The gas theft report turned out to be false, but Mequon police took Sheridan into custody after finding a pipe used to smoke drugs near where he was sitting in the vehicle, police reports say.

Roberts said he is awaiting the medical examiner's final report on Sheridan's death.

Once he gets that, Roberts said, he would begin "hammering out" his report on Sheridan's death.



Here is the story regarding the cause of death....

www.jsonline.com/news/ozwash/jul04/241816.asp


Man suffocated in hood, coroner says
Death in Mequon police custody ruled an accident
By MIKE JOHNSON
mikejohnson@journalsentinel.com
Posted: July 6, 2004
Mequon - Matthew Sheridan, the 20-year-old who died in Mequon police custody June 19, suffocated after a high-tech respirator was placed over his head by an officer, the Ozaukee County coroner said Tuesday.

Matthew Sheridan


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Matthew Sheridan, 20, died in police custody.


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7/1/04: Officer who put hood on man is identified
6/28/04: Officials decline to release suspect's toxicology report
6/27/04: Sheridan wanted to change, friends say
6/26/04: Suspect's death might prompt Ozaukee County's first inquest in 15 years
6/24/04: Attorney defends officer over death
6/22/04: High-tech hood put on Mequon suspect
6/20/04: Suspect's death while in custody under review
6/21/04: Few details released on death in custody



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Coroner John Holicek ruled the death an accident, saying Mequon police Officer Gregory Klobukowski "did not intend to kill" Sheridan when he mistakenly placed the respirator on Sheridan, believing it was a spit bag device that protects officers from saliva.

"He grabbed the wrong bag," Holicek said of the officer.

The bag was a SURVIVAIR Quick2000 escape hood, which covers the head and seals around the neck and is designed to protect against chemical and biological agents.

Sheridan also had cocaine and alcohol in his system, Holicek said, but not at levels that would have caused his death.

"The cause of death was asphyxia due to suffocation by a vinyl bio-hazard bag placed on the deceased's head because he was spitting while being restrained in police custody," said a news release issued Tuesday by the Ozaukee County Sheriff's Department.

"Another significant condition contributing to death but not resulting in underlying cause of death was acute cocaine ingestion," the news release stated, citing Holicek's determination.

Holicek said: "He had cocaine in his system. . . . We don't think it was the cocaine that killed him."

The specific amount of cocaine in Sheridan's system was not immediately available. Milwaukee County Medical Examiner Jeffrey Jentzen, whose office conducted the autopsy and other tests on Sheridan, said there was a small amount of unmetabolized cocaine in Sheridan's system.

Sheridan's death, though, was caused by "having the hood over the head," Jentzen said.

Sheridan also had a blood-alcohol level of 0.08, according to Holicek.

Attorney Rick Domnitz, who is representing Sheridan's parents, John and Christine Sheridan, said he was not surprised by the findings.

"The alcohol didn't kill him. The cocaine didn't kill him. . . . Putting the hood on him killed him," Domnitz said.

"We now know we need a very careful investigation into the manner in which the officer was trained" in using the respirator and what other equipment he had available, Domnitz said.

Moving toward inquest
The SURVIVAIR Quick2000 has a nose clip that pinches the nose closed to prevent nasal breathing and a mouthpiece to draw in fresh air. Misusing the mask can cause death, its manufacturer has said.

Domnitz said the findings "certainly keeps us moving in the direction" of requesting an inquest into the death.

A jury in an inquest hears testimony about the circumstances of the death, but its verdict is merely advisory.

Before making a decision on an inquest, Domnitz said, he will wait for the Sheriff's Department to complete its investigation. The department is investigating the death at the request of the Mequon Police Department.

Lt. Dean Roberts, the lead investigator for the Sheriff's Department, was not available for comment Tuesday.

Sheridan had been arrested June 19 on a drug paraphernalia possession charge after Bayside police stopped the vehicle in which he was riding on I-43 because it did not have license plates.

During the stop, Bayside police learned that the car matched the description of a vehicle that reportedly drove away from a Mequon gas station without the driver paying for $10 in gas. The Bayside officers notified Mequon police. Bayside police made no arrests in the case.

The gas theft report turned out to be false, but Mequon police took Sheridan into custody after finding a pipe used to smoke drugs near where he was sitting in the vehicle, police reports say.

As Sheridan was being transported to the Mequon Police Station, he began yelling and kicking the doors of the squad car.

Klobukowski pulled over in the area of I-43 and Good Hope Road, and officers from Bayside, Fox Point and River Hills responded to help.

Additional restraints, including the hood, were placed on Sheridan, a report says.

When Klobukowski arrived at the station, Sheridan was unresponsive. He was pronounced dead at 7:25 p.m. at Columbia-St. Mary's Hospital, Ozaukee Campus.

Klobukowski's attorney, Michael F. Hart, has said he is confident the officer acted appropriately in handling Sheridan.

On Tuesday, Hart said: "You have a decorated police officer acting in the line of duty. When confronted with a dangerous situation, he protected himself and his fellow officers from the acts of a legally intoxicated and drug-influenced person."

"Apparently, his unlawful habits and threatening conduct resulted in his accidental death," Hart said of Sheridan.

Mequon Police Chief E. Doyle Barker declined comment on Tuesday.

Mayor Christine Nuernberg, though, released a statement that said: "This situation is a terrible tragedy for our community. Our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the friends and family of Matthew Sheridan and those officers involved in the accident."

"The medical examiner's preliminary autopsy report released today is only one element of what we trust will be a thorough investigation into the accident. The investigation will help our community ensure that all the details and facts of the incident are explored in order to prevent other tragedies in the future," she stated.

"The City of Mequon Police Department continues to cooperate fully with the Ozaukee County Sheriff's Department. . . . For the sake of (the) Matthew Sheridan family and all of those involved, we hope the investigation continues in a timely manner, and we will do all we can to assist," Nuernberg stated.




Everybody repeat after me.....do not piss off the man!
AR15fan  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:11:15 AM

Originally Posted By TheKill:
Kid was arrested during a traffic stop due to a pot pipe laying in the vehicle near him.



You can be arrested for a marijuana pipe in WI?

edited becuase I see the "kid" was not a juvenile. He was a 20 year old grown man. The term "Kid" was apparently used, incorrectly in this case, only to illicit an emotional response.
TheKill  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:12:24 AM

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By TheKill:
Kid was arrested during a traffic stop due to a pot pipe laying in the vehicle near him.



You can be arrested for a marijuana pipe in WI? They book juveniles for drug related charges in WI? Here we release juvies to their parents unless its a violent felony.



My bad...poor choice of words. The mope was 20 yo.
lebrew  [Member]
7/12/2004 10:13:49 AM
I would have just used a trash bag.
Same results but a lot cheaper,

Lebrew
Red_Beard  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:15:30 AM
I was in mequon on saturday and saw small bunch of people protesting in front of the police station. For some reason they all had scarves or masks covering their faces.
AR15fan  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:15:43 AM
It sounds like he had a crack pipe not a marijuana pipe. They are completely different.
Red_Beard  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:17:29 AM

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
It sounds like he had a crack pipe not a marijuana pipe. They are completely different.




oh hell yeah, way different

marijuana pipe = slap on the wrist
crack pipe = suffocate to death with a plastic bag over your head




AR15fan  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:18:31 AM

Originally Posted By TheKill:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By TheKill:
Kid was arrested during a traffic stop due to a pot pipe laying in the vehicle near him.



You can be arrested for a marijuana pipe in WI? They book juveniles for drug related charges in WI? Here we release juvies to their parents unless its a violent felony.



My bad...poor choice of words. The mope was 20 yo.



All in custody deaths are unfortunate. Combative suspects share at least 51% responsibilty for whatever happens to them though.
legalese77  [Member]
7/12/2004 10:21:13 AM

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
It sounds like he had a crack pipe not a marijuana pipe. They are completely different.



clearly justifying his summary execution, kudos for pointing that out.
AR15fan  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:22:34 AM

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
It sounds like he had a crack pipe not a marijuana pipe. They are completely different.




oh hell yeah, way different

marijuana pipe = slap on the wrist
crack pipe = suffocate to death with a plastic bag over your head







In my state possession of a marijuana pipe is not a violation of law. Possession of a crack pipe, provided it has beeen used, is a misdemeanor citation.

He was legally drunk, high on Cocaine, and had his glass dick in the car with him. When lawfully arrested he vandalized the patrol car, attempted to escape, and attempted to asualt the arresting officers. I dont have any sympathy for him.
TheKill  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:26:17 AM

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By TheKill:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By TheKill:
Kid was arrested during a traffic stop due to a pot pipe laying in the vehicle near him.



You can be arrested for a marijuana pipe in WI? They book juveniles for drug related charges in WI? Here we release juvies to their parents unless its a violent felony.



My bad...poor choice of words. The mope was 20 yo.



All in custody deaths are unfortunate. Combative suspects share at least 51% responsibilty for whatever happens to them though.



While I agree that if the punk hadn't resisted he would still be alive, that is as far as his responsibility goes. Once restrained, the punk had no ability to effect the outcome of the situation, therefore he cannot bear the responsibility from that point forward. A similiar analogy would be telling someone being beaten at gunpoint that they are responsible for getting out of it, but denying them the right to have and use a weapon to do it. They may be responsible for staying away from trouble, but once into it, you cannot blame the person being beaten for not being able to extract himself from the problem safely.

If you take someone into custody and restrain them, you are responsible for that detainee. Get it right.
The_Beer_Slayer  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:29:11 AM
how in the fuck can someone supposedly trained in the use of an escape mask mistake it for a "spit hood". This dumbfuck needs to fired on the spot for incompetance and tried for a man slaughter at the least. Sounds to me like officer moron here did not release the filter tabs on purpose.

mike
TheKill  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:31:50 AM

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
It sounds like he had a crack pipe not a marijuana pipe. They are completely different.




oh hell yeah, way different

marijuana pipe = slap on the wrist
crack pipe = suffocate to death with a plastic bag over your head







In my state possession of a marijuana pipe is not a violation of law. Possession of a crack pipe, provided it has beeen used, is a misdemeanor citation.

He was legally drunk, high on Cocaine, and had his glass dick in the car with him. When lawfully arrested he vandalized the patrol car, attempted to escape, and attempted to asualt the arresting officers. I dont have any sympathy for him.



None of that justifies his death. No matter how awful an offender is, he is still entitled to due process, and the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. These rights were unlawfully denied to him by the actions of this officer. Losing his liberty due to arrest for possesion of paraphenelia: lawful. Losing his life due to resisting arrest: unlawful.

I have tried to stay out of the cop bashing thing, but I have to say your attitude sucks ass. You seem to be the kind of LEO that I fear and try to avoid at all costs.
AR15fan  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:35:18 AM

Originally Posted By legalese77:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
It sounds like he had a crack pipe not a marijuana pipe. They are completely different.



clearly justifying his summary execution...



No, kicking the windows of the patrol car and spitting at the cops resulted in his "summary execution." The crack pipe was just one step along the way.

BTW; I would support making it legal to shoot anyone that spits at anybody. Its a just plain nasty thing to do.
illigb  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:37:11 AM

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
No, kicking the windows of the patrol car and spitting at the cops resulted in his "summary execution." The crack pipe was just one step along the way.



So the police can/should suffocate someone for kicking the windows of a patrol car and spitting at the them? Really???
AR15fan  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:39:34 AM

Originally Posted By illigb:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
No, kicking the windows of the patrol car and spitting at the cops resulted in his "summary execution." The crack pipe was just one step along the way.



So the police can/should suffocate someone for kicking the windows of a patrol car and spitting at the them? Really???



No, clearly not. But if it happens, its nothing to shed a tear over.
illigb  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:45:23 AM

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By illigb:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
No, kicking the windows of the patrol car and spitting at the cops resulted in his "summary execution." The crack pipe was just one step along the way.



So the police can/should suffocate someone for kicking the windows of a patrol car and spitting at the them? Really???



No, clearly not. But if it happens, its nothing to shed a tear over.



In custody and while restrained, the suspect's well-being is the responsibility of the officer. It does not 'happen'. This is a case of negligence on the officer's part. Clearly negligent.
OLY-M4gery  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:52:57 AM
www.streichers.com/Catalog/Products/index.cfm?action=product_detail&product_id=824

www.cutcat.com/page7.4.html
The_Beer_Slayer  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:53:34 AM

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By illigb:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
No, kicking the windows of the patrol car and spitting at the cops resulted in his "summary execution." The crack pipe was just one step along the way.



So the police can/should suffocate someone for kicking the windows of a patrol car and spitting at the them? Really???



No, clearly not. But if it happens, its nothing to shed a tear over.



comments like this from LEOS scare the hell out of me. This kid may have been a dirtbag but YOU as an LEO have a responsibility to protect him while in your custody. YOU are responsible for his well being. This attitude REALLY bothers me.
Tanker06  [Member]
7/12/2004 10:55:00 AM
Not a LEO basher by any stretch of the imagination, but this guy rates a first class dick-slapping
at the very least. He puts a Survivair mask on the guy because he thinks that it's a spithood?!
Here is the Survivair Quick2000:

Standard spitmasks that I've seen are just glorified dustmasks like you use for doing drywall work.
The way these come packaged, you can't help but figure out (usually, I guess) that this is more
than a hood to keep 'Joe Heathen' from hocking a lunger around....
Send him back through the academy for complete retraining, if nothing else......
The_Beer_Slayer  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:56:40 AM

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:
www.streichers.com/Catalog/Products/index.cfm?action=product_detail&product_id=824

www.cutcat.com/page7.4.html



transport hood <spit bag>


Evacuate respirator



Look alot alike don't they. yep that was an "accident"
TheKill  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 10:59:04 AM

Originally Posted By Tanker06:
Not a LEO basher by any stretch of the imagination, but this guy rates a first class dick-slapping
at the very least. He puts a Survivair mask on the guy because he thinks that it's a spithood?!
Here is the Survivair Quick2000:
www.lifeprotectors.com/productimages/quick2000small.jpg
Standard spitmasks that I've seen are just glorified dustmasks like you use for doing drywall work.
The way these come packaged, you can't help but figure out (usually, I guess) that this is more
than a hood to keep 'Joe Heathen' from hocking a lunger around....
Send him back through the academy for complete retraining, if nothing else......



Fuck retraining. Either the guy put that on him on purpose (and needs tried for murder), or if he indeed didn't know what the Survivair mask was (along with officers from two other jurisdictions who were on scene when it was applied to the suspect) are too STUPID to be in such an important government position.
FLAL1A  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:00:08 AM
One reason I never became a cop is the fact that I recognize my response to being spit on might be, shall we say, "disproportionate." Sounds to me like Darwin in action.

(1) Screw up & get arrested.

(2) Scream, yell, spit, thrash about, and generally show your ass.

(3) After the mask is put on, continue screaming and yelling, but switch from "You lousy pig bastard" to "I can't breathe." Cop has no reason to think it's anything other than more of your ignorant, trashy spew.

(4) Die from suffocation secondary to stupid fuckwittage.

I'd be upset if it were my kid, but it's a negligent homicide - maybe excusable - occasioned by a reasonable response to a situation the decedent created all on his own.

fight4yourrights  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:01:29 AM
At least the officer made it home safely that night.
AR15fan  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:04:43 AM

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By illigb:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
No, kicking the windows of the patrol car and spitting at the cops resulted in his "summary execution." The crack pipe was just one step along the way.



So the police can/should suffocate someone for kicking the windows of a patrol car and spitting at the them? Really???



No, clearly not. But if it happens, its nothing to shed a tear over.



comments like this from LEOS scare the hell out of me. This kid may have been a dirtbag but YOU as an LEO have a responsibility to protect him while in your custody.



and if he had been in my custody he would still be alive. But the fact that he died doesnt trouble me. The fact of the mater is MY world is likely a better place becuase there is one less crack head driving drunk and fighting with the cops.
Noname  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:06:29 AM
And no dogs got shot...!
FLAL1A  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:07:13 AM

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
The fact of the mater is MY OUR world is likely a better place becuase there is one less crack head driving drunk and fighting with the cops.



Fixed it for you. Just imagine the contributions he was making to his community when he wasn't driving around juiced and fighting with the cops.
TheKill  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:08:34 AM

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By illigb:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
No, kicking the windows of the patrol car and spitting at the cops resulted in his "summary execution." The crack pipe was just one step along the way.



So the police can/should suffocate someone for kicking the windows of a patrol car and spitting at the them? Really???



No, clearly not. But if it happens, its nothing to shed a tear over.



comments like this from LEOS scare the hell out of me. This kid may have been a dirtbag but YOU as an LEO have a responsibility to protect him while in your custody.



and if he had been in my custody he would still be alive. But the fact that he died doesnt trouble me. The fact of the mater is MY world is likely a better place becuase there is one less crack head driving drunk and fighting with the cops.




He wasn't driving. He was a passenger in the vehicle. They stopped in Mequon (a white bread suburb of Milwaukee) to get gas, and the gas station attendant told him "I ain't selling gas to no niggers" or something to that effect. So they left. Mr. Racist then called the cops and filed a phony pump and run that resulted in the traffic stop. If it weren't for the phony pump and run being called in, the stop would have never even happened.
AR15fan  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:09:12 AM

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
The fact of the mater is MY OUR world is likely a better place becuase there is one less crack head driving drunk and fighting with the cops.



Fixed it for you. Just imagine the contributions he was making to his community when he wasn't driving around juiced and fighting with the cops.



I wont be able to get my Big Mac with extra Hep C anymore? There's a job opening availble at the car wash? There's a surplus in the state welfare fund next month...?
guardian855  [Member]
7/12/2004 11:09:56 AM
He should have shot him from the side of the car, 3 and a half feet away. Then he could claim that he "thought the tire" was striking him. That's ok.
AR15fan  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:12:03 AM

Originally Posted By TheKill:
He wasn't driving. He was a passenger in the vehicle.


Thanks for clearing that up. I was unaware crack heads had adopted the designated driver program. I guess that means he's one of those "good" crack heads, and I should be sad that he died.
Tanker06  [Member]
7/12/2004 11:12:29 AM

Originally Posted By TheKill:

Originally Posted By Tanker06:
Not a LEO basher by any stretch of the imagination, but this guy rates a first class dick-slapping
at the very least. He puts a Survivair mask on the guy because he thinks that it's a spithood?!
Here is the Survivair Quick2000:
www.lifeprotectors.com/productimages/quick2000small.jpg
Standard spitmasks that I've seen are just glorified dustmasks like you use for doing drywall work.
The way these come packaged, you can't help but figure out (usually, I guess) that this is more
than a hood to keep 'Joe Heathen' from hocking a lunger around....
Send him back through the academy for complete retraining, if nothing else......



Fuck retraining. Either the guy put that on him on purpose (and needs tried for murder), or if he indeed didn't know what the Survivair mask was (along with officers from two other jurisdictions who were on scene when it was applied to the suspect) are too STUPID to be in such an important government position.


Oh, I agree. I was just being civil. If the investigation warrants negligence (or worse) charges, have
at it. If not, then have the guy file paperwork for the rest of his career. (The dept already has $$
invested in him at this point, get some use out of him.) And if he quits, hey, McDonalds is always
looking for a new fry-guy!
Dolomite  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:13:05 AM
Christ... In Mequon, if you're caught going 10 over the speed limit - you're lucky just getting off with a gun shot to the knee cap.

By far - outside of Milwaukee County - THE most despicable police agency north of Chicago.

Does anybody know if this "mope" was pulled over for DWB?

(ETA:"He wasn't driving. He was a passenger in the vehicle. They stopped in Mequon (a white bread suburb of Milwaukee) to get gas, and the gas station attendant told him "I ain't selling gas to no niggers" or something to that effect.)

Ah... Yes, the tax payers of Mequon don't cotton much kindly to thems folks.
TheKill  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:18:56 AM

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
The fact of the mater is MY OUR world is likely a better place becuase there is one less crack head driving drunk and fighting with the cops.



Fixed it for you. Just imagine the contributions he was making to his community when he wasn't driving around juiced and fighting with the cops.



So what would have happened if, for example, my now ex-wife had decided to fuck with me and called in that I had punched her or something. Say also for example that I have been drinking a few beers. Finally (this part is true), I recently found out that my ex was using coke with one of her ex-boyfriends (great huh? I never even suspected it). I get arrested, and my guns taken away. During the ensuing lawful search, some coke is found, and of course she tells you it's mine. I am screaming because it really didn't happen and the coke is not mine, in fact, I figure out on the spot that it it was either hers or some other guy's. Now I am really wound up, that's a lot to swallow while you are buzzed up and getting wrongly arrested for it all. You, in your haste to circumvent the system and zeal to be judge, jury, and executioner, decide that since wife beaters and drug users are scum, and I am protesting that the arrest isn't warranted, I must then by default be scum too, so putting a hood over my head that kills me is ok. I am going to wind up charged with domestic violence, resisting arrest, possesion of cocaine, and God only knows what else. At this point, even if the system works, the truth is going to be hard to come by. If I die, well, what the fuck, that's just one less drug addict wife beating scum in the world, right?

TheKill  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:20:39 AM

Originally Posted By Dolomite:
Christ... In Mequon, if you're caught going just 10 over the speed limit - you're lucky just getting off with a gun shot to the knee cap.

By far - outside of Milwaukee County - THE most despicable police agency north of Chicago.

Does anybody know if this "mope" was pulled over for DWB?



He was white, passenger in a car with two black males. See my above post for the circumstances that led to the traffic stop.
Noname  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:23:21 AM

Does anybody know if this "mope" was pulled over for DWB?



Don't think so. Looks like a DADWB...







(Dumb Ass Dead White Boy...)
drjarhead  [Member]
7/12/2004 11:23:32 AM
One less POS in WI. No great loss.

If you don't want to get gored don't screw with the bull.


ETA: Life is tough. Life is tougher if you're stupid. Also, apparently, shorter.
Red_Beard  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:24:37 AM

theKill: They stopped in Mequon (a white bread suburb of Milwaukee) to get gas, and the gas station attendant told him "I ain't selling gas to no niggers" or something to that effect.


Do you know what gas station it was?

The_Beer_Slayer  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:27:55 AM

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By TheKill:
He wasn't driving. He was a passenger in the vehicle.


Thanks for clearing that up. I was unaware crack heads had adopted the designated driver program. I guess that means he's one of those "good" crack heads, and I should be sad that he died.



So in your defense of this officer i take it you see this as an "ACCIDENT" that you or any other officer could easily make. I personally have a little more faith in the training and intellegence of most leos. This guy was a dumbass or a murderer. There is no valid excuse for putting that respirator on that kid. If you could have made the same mistake i'd worry about you as well.

Last i checked it was up to the courts to judge and execute.

jmho

mike
TheKill  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:32:18 AM

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By TheKill:
He wasn't driving. He was a passenger in the vehicle.


Thanks for clearing that up. I was unaware crack heads had adopted the designated driver program. I guess that means he's one of those "good" crack heads, and I should be sad that he died.



I have absolutely zero love for drug use of any sort, and the people that generally use cocaine are the scummiest people out there. I have lost good friends to the netherworld of drugs, and have a general hatred for those who deal drugs and perpetuate the lifestyle. Finding out my ex wife was doing coke was a hard blow too, especially since I detest drugs so much. Despite this, I recognize that a strict interpretation of the Constitution, necessary for it to work as intended, says that due process and other Constitutional guarantees should be observed for everyone. Apply the bell shaped curve to cops just like anyone else: these are not the people that should be making judgements about anyone in regards to someone's guilt or innocence, nor the appropriate consequences thereof. I feel that crackheads aren't worth shit to society. If one dies or Darwin gets him exclusively due to his/her own actions, then great. However, it is not your place to influence that, LEO or not (exceptions being imminent deadly force matters, etc). It is society, within the guidelines of the Constitution, that determines the handling of criminal matters and those that perpetuate them. Not the officer tasked with determining the violation, apprehending the perpetrator, preserving all evidence, and delivering him safely to jail where due process can take place.

FLAL1A  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:34:16 AM

Originally Posted By TheKill:

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
The fact of the mater is MY OUR world is likely a better place becuase there is one less crack head driving drunk and fighting with the cops.



Fixed it for you. Just imagine the contributions he was making to his community when he wasn't driving around juiced and fighting with the cops.



So what would have happened if, for example, my now ex-wife had decided to fuck with me and called in that I had punched her or something. Say also for example that I have been drinking a few beers. Finally (this part is true), I recently found out that my ex was using coke with one of her ex-boyfriends (great huh? I never even suspected it). I get arrested, and my guns taken away. During the ensuing lawful search, some coke is found, and of course she tells you it's mine. I am screaming because it really didn't happen and the coke is not mine, in fact, I figure out on the spot that it it was either hers or some other guy's. Now I am really wound up, that's a lot to swallow while you are buzzed up and getting wrongly arrested for it all. And then my dog climbs up the ladder I left leaning against the eaves and gets on the roof and knocks over a kerosene lantern and sets the house on fire and the fire spreads to my reloading bench which still has lots of powder on it cause the cops didn't search very well and the dog gets burned up and the powder blows and the exposion lights off the propane tank in the side yard and the fragments land in the bed of my pickup truck and destroy the grandfather clock I was fixing to carry to my brother's house cause he was Granddad's favorite and should have gotten the clock in the will but didn't cause Granddad was senile when he wrote the will and I got a clock I didn't even want and my brother got the Sinatra records that I did want and now I'll never be able to make it right cause who would trade perfectly good Sinatra records for a broken clock and my whole family life is ruined and I might as well just go on ahead and die. You, in your haste to circumvent the system and zeal to be judge, jury, and executioner, decide that since wife beaters and drug users are scum, and I am protesting that the arrest isn't warranted, I must then by default be scum too, so putting a hood over my head that kills me is ok. I am going to wind up charged with domestic violence, resisting arrest, possesion of cocaine, and God only knows what else. At this point, even if the system works, the truth is going to be hard to come by. If I die, well, what the fuck, that's just one less drug addict wife beating scum in the world, right?



TxLewis  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:37:40 AM

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By TheKill:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By TheKill:
Kid was arrested during a traffic stop due to a pot pipe laying in the vehicle near him.



You can be arrested for a marijuana pipe in WI? They book juveniles for drug related charges in WI? Here we release juvies to their parents unless its a violent felony.



My bad...poor choice of words. The mope was 20 yo.



All in custody deaths are unfortunate. Combative suspects share at least 51% responsibilty for whatever happens to them though.



Thats a pretty braod generalization, but, whatever you need to apologize for I guess.

Spit on cop=death penalty.

Hmmmm
TXL
FLAL1A  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:41:13 AM

Originally Posted By TxLewis:


Spit on cop=death penalty.

Hmmmm
TXL



What's the penalty for spitting on you? If you pound some SOB for doing so, and he dies, are you going to have any thoughts other than "I wish that hadn't happened, but he shouldn't have spit on me?" I don't think I would. The guy invited restraint to stop his spitting and thrashing. The cop gave it to him. The cop (possibly accidently) used the wrong equipment, and the guy died. The guy was up to no good in the first place, riding around doping it up in a car. I'm betting his temper has earned him a nice, long (if minor) rap sheet. John Donne aside, I don't know that this guy's death diminishes anybody, whether he suffocated in a cop car or in his garage huffing gasoline.
Dolomite  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:43:10 AM
This is why taxes are so high in Mequon - to pay for law suits like the one that this one is going to generate. It's all part of the message their trying to send out to undesirables - sometimes that message gets expensive.

Anyway, I’m sure () that this was the very time any police officer on the force in Mequon had ever been spit at by someone they were taking into custody.

These are $4.50 each:



The gadget they used goes for over $200!!!



…and then there’s just pulling the suspects shirt over his head and letting him spit to his heart’s content – but what the fuck do I know?


This whole "being spit upon = death sentence" sentiment is pretty fucked up around here.
TheKill  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:43:37 AM

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:

Originally Posted By TheKill:

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
The fact of the mater is MY OUR world is likely a better place becuase there is one less crack head driving drunk and fighting with the cops.



Fixed it for you. Just imagine the contributions he was making to his community when he wasn't driving around juiced and fighting with the cops.



So what would have happened if, for example, my now ex-wife had decided to fuck with me and called in that I had punched her or something. Say also for example that I have been drinking a few beers. Finally (this part is true), I recently found out that my ex was using coke with one of her ex-boyfriends (great huh? I never even suspected it). I get arrested, and my guns taken away. During the ensuing lawful search, some coke is found, and of course she tells you it's mine. I am screaming because it really didn't happen and the coke is not mine, in fact, I figure out on the spot that it it was either hers or some other guy's. Now I am really wound up, that's a lot to swallow while you are buzzed up and getting wrongly arrested for it all. And then my dog climbs up the ladder I left leaning against the eaves and gets on the roof and knocks over a kerosene lantern and sets the house on fire and the fire spreads to my reloading bench which still has lots of powder on it cause the cops didn't search very well and the dog gets burned up and the powder blows and the exposion lights off the propane tank in the side yard and the fragments land in the bed of my pickup truck and destroy the grandfather clock I was fixing to carry to my brother's house cause he was Granddad's favorite and should have gotten the clock in the will but didn't cause Granddad was senile when he wrote the will and I got a clock I didn't even want and my brother got the Sinatra records that I did want and now I'll never be able to make it right cause who would trade perfectly good Sinatra records for a broken clock and my whole family life is ruined and I might as well just go on ahead and die. You, in your haste to circumvent the system and zeal to be judge, jury, and executioner, decide that since wife beaters and drug users are scum, and I am protesting that the arrest isn't warranted, I must then by default be scum too, so putting a hood over my head that kills me is ok. I am going to wind up charged with domestic violence, resisting arrest, possesion of cocaine, and God only knows what else. At this point, even if the system works, the truth is going to be hard to come by. If I die, well, what the fuck, that's just one less drug addict wife beating scum in the world, right?






You think that's wacko? How about, my little brother does line and has a couple beers then gets bored. Calls up his black friend and asks for a ride to Summerfest. Friend 1 and 2 pick him up, and they go to get gas. The gas station attendant doesn't like blacks, and tells them to piss off, then calls in a false pump and run. Meanwhile, they go get gas somewhere else, and get back on the freeway headed for a good time at Summerfest. Meanwhile, Mequon PD sees the pump and run suspect vehicle and stops it. Since there are blacks in the car, they make everyone unass the car, and find a crack pipe near where my little brother was sitting. Of course, there is no way to determine who's it is, but that's not a big deal, there is still the pump and run. Well, an officer goes to the gas station and determines it was a false report. In the meantime, my little brother, who is a smart ass, has been lipping off to the cops. So with the pump and run not panning out, they decide to pin the pipe on the punk with the smart mouth. It's not his and he knows it, but the cops won't listen. Now he's pissed, because he knows damn well the pipe wan't his and his buddy is hanging him. Maybe the cop is lipping back at him, we all know cops can't maintain a professional demeanor when someone is lipping off. In the squad car, he spits at the divider and kicks at the windows. So the cop calls for backup, and they put a frigging respirator over his head without opening up the ventilators! Since he can't breathe, he is dead by the time they get to the jail!!!

Talk about wacko!

To clarify....this was not my little brother, just used that to convert non-fiction into fiction for comparisons sake......
TxLewis  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:44:27 AM

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:

Originally Posted By TxLewis:


Spit on cop=death penalty.

Hmmmm
TXL



What's the penalty for spitting on you? If you pound some SOB for doing so, and he dies, are you going to have any thoughts other than "I wish that hadn't happened, but he shouldn't have spit on me?" I don't think I would. The guy invited restraint to stop his spitting and thrashing. The cop gave it to him. The cop (possibly accidently) used the wrong equipment, and the guy died. The guy was up to no good in the first place, riding around doping it up in a car. I'm betting his temper has earned him a nice, long (if minor) rap sheet. John Donne aside, I don't know that this guy's death diminishes
anybody, whether he suffocated in a cop car or in his garage huffing gasoline.




Whatever the consequences are, if he ends up dead, I bet I am going to jail.

So should this cop.

TXL
TheKill  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:47:31 AM

Originally Posted By Dolomite:
This is why taxes are so high in Mequon - to pay for law suits like the one that this one is going to generate. It's all part of the message their trying to send out to undesirables - sometimes that message gets expensive.

Anyway, I’m sure () that this was the very time any police officer on the force in Mequon had ever been spit at by someone they were taking into custody.

These are $4.50 each:

www.pxdirect.com/images/TranZportHood.jpg

The gadget they used goes for over $200!!!

thm-br1r2.search.vip.scd.yahoo.com/image/77287656

…and then there’s just pulling the suspects shirt over his head and letting him spit to his heart’s content – but what the fuck do I know?


This whole "being spit upon = death sentence" sentiment is pretty fucked up around here.



You know what is really fucked up? My girlfriend works with a bunch of people that live in Mequon, and they have all been talking about it at the office. The consensus is that the kid was a punk, so no great loss!!!!!

Eliteism at it's best.

TxLewis  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 11:51:03 AM

Originally Posted By TheKill:

Originally Posted By Dolomite:
This is why taxes are so high in Mequon - to pay for law suits like the one that this one is going to generate. It's all part of the message their trying to send out to undesirables - sometimes that message gets expensive.

Anyway, I’m sure () that this was the very time any police officer on the force in Mequon had ever been spit at by someone they were taking into custody.

These are $4.50 each:

www.pxdirect.com/images/TranZportHood.jpg

The gadget they used goes for over $200!!!

thm-br1r2.search.vip.scd.yahoo.com/image/77287656

…and then there’s just pulling the suspects shirt over his head and letting him spit to his heart’s content – but what the fuck do I know?


This whole "being spit upon = death sentence" sentiment is pretty fucked up around here.



You know what is really fucked up? My girlfriend works with a bunch of people that live in Mequon, and they have all been talking about it at the office. The consensus is that the kid was a punk, so no great loss!!!!!

Eliteism at it's best.




sounds like the cops here.

TXL
Tanker06  [Member]
7/12/2004 11:55:53 AM
A certain deputy that I know of had a punk with a spitting problem one night. So after getting hocked
on several times, he turned around and emptied his pepper on the guy. Cured that shit real quick.

(I encountered this as the EMTs were flushing the punks eyes out, and the wagon crew was using
the bumper line to hose out the back seat of his car. )
Dolomite  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 12:03:04 PM
Well, on the other hand…

A quick check of the WI court system finds that this 20 year old had quite a history.

Tons of underage drinking tickets, disorderly’s, breaking into cars, “Sex with Child Age 16 or Older”, and lots of operating with a revoked license (from DWI), and some bail jumping thrown in to boot.

Sounds like our esteemed LEOs have acted in the best interest to the Homeland, eh, Comrades?
TheKill  [Team Member]
7/12/2004 12:10:10 PM

Originally Posted By TxLewis:

Originally Posted By TheKill:

Originally Posted By Dolomite:
This is why taxes are so high in Mequon - to pay for law suits like the one that this one is going to generate. It's all part of the message their trying to send out to undesirables - sometimes that message gets expensive.

Anyway, I’m sure () that this was the very time any police officer on the force in Mequon had ever been spit at by someone they were taking into custody.

These are $4.50 each:

www.pxdirect.com/images/TranZportHood.jpg

The gadget they used goes for over $200!!!

thm-br1r2.search.vip.scd.yahoo.com/image/77287656

…and then there’s just pulling the suspects shirt over his head and letting him spit to his heart’s content – but what the fuck do I know?


This whole "being spit upon = death sentence" sentiment is pretty fucked up around here.



You know what is really fucked up? My girlfriend works with a bunch of people that live in Mequon, and they have all been talking about it at the office. The consensus is that the kid was a punk, so no great loss!!!!!

Eliteism at it's best.




sounds like the cops here.

TXL



I dunno. I thought the libs/abortion rights people where to blame for the fact that a human life isn't worth anything anymore.......