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 Is this tacky - putting a flag on a tree.
Mister44  [Member]
5/25/2004 4:05:08 PM
Hi.

I am an American. And I love my country and my flag. My house is made of metal siding - something I dont really want to poke holes into.

I have a HUGE (100ft+) oak tree in my front yard. Awesome tree. I wanted to screw a peice of wood on it, and then mount a flag on that wood. I think it would look nice - a big flag on a big tree.

My wife thinks its tacky - and white trash. "Who puts a flag on a tree? Have you ever seen anyone do that?"

Well I am less concered with what others would do - and more concerned that I think this would look great.

So - opinions - am I off? Is it tacky? Stupid? Anyone else done it?
arowneragain  [Team Member]
5/25/2004 4:09:30 PM
I've always figured anything you do w/ a flag that honors what it stands for is OK. Using a tree as a base for your flagpole would fall in that category, I think.
DriftPunch  [Team Member]
5/25/2004 4:09:38 PM
Only do that if it is a NASCAR racin' number! Yeeee Hawwww...

Trust the wife, let her dress you... How about buying a small pole?
cyanide  [Team Member]
5/25/2004 4:09:50 PM
Listen to your wife, at least this time.
kpel308  [Team Member]
5/25/2004 4:10:48 PM
Please, do not put it on the tree.

I understand your feelings, and appreciate them.

This, though, is simply not done.

Here you go (click on pic):



Thank you for caring enough to not only fly your flag, but to do it properly.

Semper Fi!
PrivateJoker  [Team Member]
5/25/2004 4:22:39 PM

Originally Posted By Mister44:
am I off? Is it tacky? Stupid? Anyone else done it?




That being said... I said go for it.... but remember these words... "Happy Wife, Happy Life."
lvgunner777  [Team Member]
5/25/2004 4:25:48 PM
Go for it, don't get caught up in trying to be PC. If you love the flag and what it stands for, fly it in the tree!!!!
PaDanby  [Member]
5/25/2004 5:49:56 PM
Tacky? Yes. Better than not at all? Not in this case. Why? Because it likely won't be able to fly free, or how about are you going to light it at night? Can you easily take it down for foul weather?

For less cost and less aggravation, I'll let you in , for free, on my Pa Danby "Temporary" flagpole design, which should be able to withstand any zoning or CCR problems because it is "temporary"

For the base, use one of the pre-cast 4x4 deck pillar footings. Connect two pieces of 10' ft long 1-1/2" galvanized pipe. Drill a hole about 6" up or use a hole in footing braces. Attach pulley at other end. Put the halyard in NOW. Put the base next to a convenient eave or roof fascia, and put an eye screw into the bottom of the eave. Take a chain link fence tension or brace band (thats the round band the goes around the fence upright to a tension bar to hold the fencing itself), put it around the pipe and bolt an eye bolt through it. Put a bolt through the hole on the footing and the hole in the pipe. Have an assistant get on a ladder, and you and maybe another assistant, raise the pole up to where the guy on the ladder can put the eyebolt on the pole through the eyebolt on the eave. You need a nut and fender washer on the pole side, a fender washer and loch washers or locknuts on the other side.

Come down and raise your flag and have a beer or two while congratulating yourself on putting the halyard in first so you don't have to take it down and put the halyard on after putting it up the first time.

Notice - If you ever have to take it down to replace the halyard, paint it, put a fancy eagle or wind vane on top all you need is one friend and a medium ladder, as opposed to having to figure out how the hell you are going to fix things if the rope breaks on a pole that won't tip down.

It does take two people to do it, because you can easily lever the footing up while walking the pole up or down.

My "temporary" pole has been up for 18 years and I've only had to bring it down once to replace the halyard. Twice it wore out and broke where I was able to temporary splice the new rope to the old one and get it to feed through the pulley. Once it broke where I had to bring it down to replace.

I use 20 ft of 1-1/2 pipe because it will stand up to a Santa Ana wind with 3x5 flag. Higher pole or larger flags (Vet's burial or over Capital size) on a regular basis I'ld use 2" pipe at least.
Forest  [Member]
5/25/2004 6:03:13 PM
Screw the nay sayers and go for it.

I did. I lived in an association which would not let me put up a proper flagpole.

So I ran it up the tree in the front yard with a makeshift pully. I even installed a spotlight on it (ran power to the garage and put it on a timer).

Flag pole is optimal - but if you can't do that then do what you have to - just respect the flag. Light it properly at night or take it down.
killingmachine123  [Team Member]
5/25/2004 6:12:38 PM
Many of you know about my house and the tackyness of it. Even I would spring for a pole when it comes to flying the flag.
Mister44  [Member]
5/25/2004 6:15:22 PM
To be clear - I was going to put it on a 6ft pole coming off the tree. Basically like most people attach to thier house. The only down fall I saw was if the tree grew to where I couldnt reach it. I was going to take it in, and put it out every night.

Soo - keep the suggestions coming ;o)
lvgunner777  [Team Member]
5/25/2004 6:16:18 PM

Originally Posted By Mister44:
To be clear - I was going to put it on a 6ft pole coming off the tree. Basically like most people attach to thier house. The only down fall I saw was if the tree grew to where I couldnt reach it. I was going to take it in, and put it out every night.

Soo - keep the suggestions coming ;o)




Do it, your heart is in the right place.
thebeekeeper1  [Site Staff]
5/25/2004 6:26:12 PM

Originally Posted By lvgunner777:

Originally Posted By Mister44:
To be clear - I was going to put it on a 6ft pole coming off the tree. Basically like most people attach to thier house. The only down fall I saw was if the tree grew to where I couldnt reach it. I was going to take it in, and put it out every night.

Soo - keep the suggestions coming ;o)




Do it, your heart is in the right place.



I'm curious--would you offer that advice to the patriotic chap who covers his gunshow table with the Colors and displays his wares on top of it? His heart is in the right place too.
lvgunner777  [Team Member]
5/25/2004 6:28:50 PM

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By lvgunner777:

Originally Posted By Mister44:
To be clear - I was going to put it on a 6ft pole coming off the tree. Basically like most people attach to thier house. The only down fall I saw was if the tree grew to where I couldnt reach it. I was going to take it in, and put it out every night.

Soo - keep the suggestions coming ;o)




Do it, your heart is in the right place.



I'm curious--would you offer that advice to the patriotic chap who covers his gunshow table with the Colors and displays his wares on top of it? His heart is in the right place too.




This is different, Mister44 is not looking to make profit by flying our colors. I don't like to see people using the flag as a table cloth, no.
thebeekeeper1  [Site Staff]
5/25/2004 6:31:43 PM
Thanks for clarifying.

Does someone have the site/link to the complete etiquette for display of the flag? I lost it when my hard drive failed. TIA

There is a "right way."

Forest  [Member]
5/25/2004 6:33:12 PM

Originally Posted By Mister44:
To be clear - I was going to put it on a 6ft pole coming off the tree.



Even better.



The only down fall I saw was if the tree grew to where I couldnt reach it.


You city folk?

Trees grow from their tip not their roots. Only thing that will happen where the pole would be is the tree will grow thicker; the pole will remain the same height over the ground.

So you don't have any worries.
Mister44  [Member]
5/25/2004 10:43:47 PM
Crap - no I am not city folk. I knew that! Thats why you never get a new branch coming out of the middle of the tree. The tree would grow around the flag mount - which is why i was using wood...

If someone can find the ettiqute for flag flying - that would be great. Its more just a question of where its appropriate to mount it (too bad my parrents were too poor to put me in scouts, I would know all this by now!)
cyanide  [Team Member]
5/25/2004 10:49:12 PM
Rule 61-AD-0012
The flag must never be displayed from the top of any shrubbery or tree.
kpel308  [Team Member]
5/25/2004 11:46:43 PM

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Thanks for clarifying.

Does someone have the site/link to the complete etiquette for display of the flag? I lost it when my hard drive failed. TIA

There is a "right way."




Here's one: Flag Etiquette

And here's the text of the Flag Code, which is Federal law: Flag Code
thebeekeeper1  [Site Staff]
5/25/2004 11:48:09 PM
Thanks, Bro.

You can always count on a Marine.

FOX-  [Member]
5/26/2004 12:10:09 AM
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FOX-  [Member]
5/26/2004 12:15:57 AM
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Leisure_Shoot  [Team Member]
5/26/2004 12:21:01 AM
I don't think this is the same thing.
I'm sure what is meant is that it should not be hung from a branch.
Mounted on a large tree trunk - on a flagpole, is surely not what they are meaning in that quote.
Assuming that your setup looks fitting for the flag,
I wouldn't think twice if I saw it, other than,
"Hey, way to go dispaying the flag!"
SINGLE_SHOT  [Member]
5/26/2004 12:24:30 AM
Listen to your wife. Get a flagpole dont be cheap. Putting the flag on a tree is not only tacky but discraceful. It will make the flag dirty and ragged. Give the flag what it deserves a flagpole. If i am going down the road and see a house(or trailer) with metal siding and a big oak tree in yard with flag hanging from it i wont be happy.
Hank_Rearden1  [Team Member]
5/26/2004 12:28:05 AM
FLAGPOLE. Please. We don't want bird shit on our flag.
kpel308  [Team Member]
5/26/2004 3:58:16 AM
Again, I'll ask that you please not put it on the tree.

I do NOT want to give you the impression that I am criticizing you, or would if you choose to do as you please. The fact that you are asking this question at all shows a respect for our flag, and I salute you for it. I understand that you are talking about a pole and bracket, and not draping it.

But please, get a proper flagpole, or fly it from the front of your house.

Thank you.
Moof  [Team Member]
5/26/2004 5:18:05 AM
I see two flags in displayed "incorrectly" on my way to work every day. One is on top of a stationary mechanical crane (~ 100'), the other on top of a tree (~ 160'). Since both are located at the very pinnacle (in no way obstructed and not haphazardly hanging off the side) and properly lighted at night, I don't have a problem with it.
critter_FR  [Member]
5/26/2004 8:01:55 AM
From We Were Soldiers Once... And Young:


Specialist 4 Pat Sellek, twenty-four, and a native of Mount Kisko, New York, says: "I remember one guy had a small American flag on the back of his pack. When I saw that, I felt very proud. It's something that always stuck with me. This American flag was put on top of a blown up tree, just like Iwo Jima, another battle we had won for the United States." That little flag flew over landing zone X-Ray for the rest of the fight, raising all our spirits.
Mister44  [Member]
5/26/2004 10:30:33 AM
Well - the only item from the flag code that I saw that might pertain to this is:


(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.


But with the flag on the tree - and the pole long enough, there is no way for it to touch earth, tree, or limb.

But all the same, I think I will look for alternatives. I still dont want to put it on the house -but maybe an actual pole would be a good compromise. The wife could even put some flowers around it or something. I even have several bags of quickcrete from when we built a deck.

I appreciate all the advice. I figured this would be a good crowd who were patriotic, but had respect for the flag, and at the same time enough individuatlity that if it was too crazy it would be acceptable.

Yeah - hey - with a pole I can put up my nascar flag below it!

hahaha - just joking...

...or am I ;o)

dpmmn  [Team Member]
5/26/2004 10:45:15 AM
Go with the Flagpole
thebeekeeper1  [Site Staff]
5/26/2004 10:52:44 AM

Originally Posted By Mister44:
I appreciate all the advice. I figured this would be a good crowd who were patriotic, but had respect for the flag, and at the same time enough individuatlity that if it was too crazy it would be acceptable.



The main thing is you have shown a respectful attitude and demeanor for our flag. I respect you greatly for that. Good luck, and enjoy your flag!
PsyWarrior  [Team Member]
5/26/2004 11:05:54 AM
I see a few minor problems with your mounting idea.

1. Overhanging branches/detritus/bird droppings etc. Unless displayed indoors, it should not be covered.

2. Damage to the tree. Drilling and screwing into the tree leaves it susceptible to disease.
As to the pole "raising" as the tree goes, the trunk will only grow out. Height is all gained at the tip through the branches. The trunk will eventually envelope the mount (if the tree does not succumb to diseases. As a kid I once stuck a blow gun dart in a tree in my front yard. The 2.5 " of dart plus the cone were evventually swallowed up by the tree after about 12 years.