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 Mil-spec hummers for sale?
C_Brooks  [Member]
12/5/2002 3:16:43 AM
There is a guy on the wed some place that buys old hummers from teh Gov. and sales the to the public. You need to do a few things to get the right foe the DOT but it's not much and the cost is very very low. I found the site about a years ago and can't find it again to save my butt,any of you guys now the one I'm talking about?
gaspain  [Team Member]
12/5/2002 3:17:57 AM
they dont do it anymore, but prices were 23k-28k
batf-approved  [Member]
12/5/2002 3:59:07 AM
Yes they still sell mil-spec hummers. Give me a day to locate for you.
Badseed  [Member]
12/5/2002 4:05:53 AM
They stopped selling them about 10 years ago or so. Now they are demilled per DOD guidelines (I researched this for another boardmember and myself, but I can't find the post. Musta been more than 6 months ago.) Here is another thread though. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=138672&w=searchPop[/url] And here's what I dug up from memory... link to [blue]drms.mil[/blue] included [quote]"Currently, DoD has a rebuild contract with the manufacturer to upgrade and refurbish used Humvees for further DoD use. Humvees that are not suitable for the rebuild program are little more than residue. The military version of the Humvee does not meet DoT safety standards and is not now sold."[/quote] [quote]Can I purchase a Jeep or Humvee/HMMWV? Jeeps DoD does not sell the M-151 series of vehicles commonly referred to as jeeps. The Department of Transportation has ruled that jeeps are built for off road use and could be unsafe at high speed. Therefore, for public safety, we render them inoperable prior to sale (i.e., cut or crush the unitized body and suspension system). [red]Humvee/HMMWV The military version of the Humvee does not meet DoT commercial safety standards and is sold for recovery of parts and scrap.[/red][/quote] [url]http://www.drms.dla.mil/newsales/html/help_faq.html#Jeeps[/url] Right from the horses mouth, if you can find one newer than '88- it's stolen.
Big_Bear  [Team Member]
12/5/2002 4:09:07 AM
[url]http://www.majorsurplusnsurvival.com/[/url] had a mil-spec hummer in their latest sale catalog. It's not on their website but contact info is.
aztrooper  [Member]
12/5/2002 4:13:23 AM
Found this on a basic search. Looks like new ones for sale (in europe): [url]http://www.humvee.nl/[/url] Here are a few in California used. Looks like a few armored ones too. [url]http://users.ev1.net/~redhummer/hummerforsale/[/url] A pickup hummer for 35K - military [url]http://www.dalli.com/usa/ref1040.html[/url] This one's got a fully armoreed one with the radios and gun mounts still installed. 55k (ouch) [url]http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm[/url]
LotBoy  [Team Member]
12/5/2002 4:15:15 AM
I wonder if Cav Arms Hummer is Mil-Spec?
TomJefferson  [Team Member]
12/5/2002 7:38:16 AM
The Hummer is a tank in drag. 5,000 lb load capacity, the only thing that would fit on the damn thing with that much weight is a nuke. It is way overkill for the military let alone the average citizen and cost way too much. Armour car and jeep rolled into one. All most sounds like the multipurpose fighter another waste of money which is why F14's are still flying after decades. Of course, you can forget this if you are really into gotta have the biggest badest there is.
Silence  [Member]
12/5/2002 8:00:22 AM
I thought Mil-spec hummers went out woth Gen Hooker in the Civil War?
C_Brooks  [Member]
12/5/2002 12:35:59 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By TomJefferson: Of course, you can forget this if you are really into gotta have the biggest badest there is.[/quote] OK[:D] Over-kill.....it's the American way or I could be like the littel girls talking about the Copper S[rolleyes] Anyway gaspain and the others are right they don't demil them anymore but they did so many there must still be some out there. I want to get one and slap in a gas engine for a little more power and get a paint job,this way I can get a Hummer with out all the fu-fu crap inside for a lot less money. I don't want another GI jeep[:(]rain sucks!
SMProud  [Team Member]
12/5/2002 3:03:24 PM
Maybe DOD doesn't sell them, but what about Guard units. States tend to throw around money more than the Federal government. From what I heard you only have to add a third brake light and license plate light to make it street legal. I've got to drive a Humvee on a TDY before and those things leak like crazy, I'd only use it on a clear day.
TrojanFan  [Member]
12/5/2002 4:41:27 PM
Driven and lived in Hummers and I think they are great if you are looking for a good all around vehicle to go hunting and camping with or to the range or to just look cool or to have an armored one you could use for business if you wanted and they make good curb jumping vehicles for your wife to drive around town in. There are lots of Hummers and H2's here in our town and the vast majority are driven by ity bity women.
Crimson_Trace  [Member]
12/5/2002 5:20:51 PM
While I am sure that there are a few true Military HumVees running around with civilian plates, I am not sure that they are fully "legit". As Badseed pointed out, they are not DOT eligible. It is very difficult to get them to meet all safety/crash/emmission standards for a vehicle that are required to license legally. They are built for the military as "off-road" only and are supposed to stay that way. Again, that's not saying that their aren't registered military Hummers out there, just not many. Also while the HumVee (mil) and the Hummer are built together, they actually share less parts than you'd think. As for the H2: that's just an overpriced Chevy pickup in drag. On a totally unrelated note: I used to have a Kawasaki KX500 with California plates on it. The nice lady at the DMV just wasn't paying attention. For those not in the know, a KX500 is a 500cc, 2-stroke dirt bike that is an absolute wheelie machine on the street. -Z out
Badseed  [Member]
12/5/2002 5:44:59 PM
I have a name for the H2- the Abomination. An HMMWV for soccer moms [rolleyes]. Do they know it's dad is an Assault Truck ?[:D]
kato4moto  [Member]
12/5/2002 6:14:09 PM
IIRC, KIIS-FM radio in Los Angeles recently traded in their red, logoed-out Hummer so it was up for sale at Huntington Beach Hummer. Think it was around $30K and had surprisingly low mileage (like maybe 30K). Also, the gas engines that came in the '95 Hummers (again, IIRC) were just 350s. In a vehicle that weighs as much as the Hummer, it was a dog. AM General couldn't get the 454s from General Motors because GM just couldn't meet demand from its own divisions so it was the 350 or nothing--and the 350 did make it feel like nothing; the turbo diesel is/was much better for both power and fuel economy. There is/was a place (maybe in FL) that is/was dropping 502s into Hummers, though. Those definitely would put some spice into the things. But the Hummer that won SCORE's Stock Full class championship runs a mildly upgraded turbo diesel and will comfortably run 85 or 90 on dry lakes and faster dirt roads. But that's another subject. [:)]
OSA  [Member]
12/5/2002 6:26:50 PM
I read the write upon this in Military Vehicles Magazine a couple years back. The Marine Corp. partially paid a civilian contractor with surpluses Humvees, for equipment that the Marines received from the contractor. The contractor then sold these trucks to the public through an auction service. The trucks were in various condition, but all were missing all of the canvas (i.e. tops, seats, straps.....) The trucks came with a bill of sale, but am not sure if they could be titled. I do know they were not DOT legal as sold. Can't put my hands on the issue right now (as I am away from home), so reciting from memory. OSA
C_Brooks  [Member]
12/5/2002 7:26:02 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By Crimson_Trace: While I am sure that there are a few true Military HumVees running around with civilian plates, I am not sure that they are fully "legit". As Badseed pointed out, they are not DOT eligible. It is very difficult to get them to meet all safety/crash/emmission standards for a vehicle that are required to license legally. They are built for the military as "off-road" only and are supposed to stay that way. Again, that's not saying that their aren't registered military Hummers out there, just not many. Also while the HumVee (mil) and the Hummer are built together, they actually share less parts than you'd think. As for the H2: that's just an overpriced Chevy pickup in drag. [/quote] Dude you are so wrong,back when GM first had the idea to sale hummers to the public they did not chgange a thing. Then they installed all the gooies inside and nicer paint job. As for being eligible for the road so is my Blazer now that I pulled the cat off and some other things. Cars,trucks,hummers,ect are just things they are man made and can be changed in any way. Next time you see the NG go down to road in one looka t it see if you can find any difference,and no they don't get a pass. kato4moto,somebody may have told you about your truly[:D] I have done that twice now. Once for a demiled hummer that can with no engine at all and once for a guy with more money that brains. Stock H1 comes with 190HP and about 400-450LBS now they have 560HP 770LBS. I want to get one for me and slap the newer ZZ502 Ram Jet or maybe a Merlin 609ci(11+ f*ing litres,thats the size of 6 TOYotas) but the price is way over my head.
Garryowen  [Industry Partner]
12/5/2002 8:11:45 PM
Military HMMWV's are DOT legal (for the early 1980's when they were made). AM General "Cock Blocked" the registration of them by sending out a letter to every DMV in the USA saying that they were never meant to used for city driving and that they (AM General) do not support the use of these vehicles for such (Civilian sales of Hummers by them account for like 20% of their income)... Well the DMV's are playing CYA and not letting people title them for highway use. I got maybe the very last one in AZ to get a title (for Highway use). So I guess you can say I have a [b]"Pre-Ban"[/b]...
DPeacher  [Team Member]
12/5/2002 8:33:36 PM
Mil-spec hummers for sale!?! They never had those while I was in! What do you do? Go down to MWR and pick out the "service provider" of your choice? I would have stayed single and started an allotment for a bi-weekly hummer service!
TomJefferson  [Team Member]
12/5/2002 8:45:48 PM
Guys, as you know I'm not a Hummer fan but do work in the industry. The deal GM has requires the H2 to meet 80% of the original Mil Spec. AM General was afraid of their image being tarnished by GM's obvious give it leather interior and decals, then call it a Caddy attitude. H2 is a bit more than a Espanada.
Crimson_Trace  [Member]
12/5/2002 11:06:05 PM
Mr. Brooks - Actually "Dude", I am not so wrong. First, GM never sold any Hummers or HumVees to the public. It was AM General. Second, while we are all thrilled you "pulled the cat off your Blazer.", what I was referring to the fact that the military vehicles are classified as "off-road" and were not DOT certified which is a requirement to get a LEGAL registration. That's why I drew the parallel of registering a dirt bike. I'm not saying it doesn't happen or can't be done. I'm saying it's not supposed to happen. I apologize to you if I was unclear in my earlier communication. I got my information from AM General directly. When I was at Warn, we were a supplier to them. This was in the mid-'90's. I don't know about Garry's rig. Sounds like it came with the little DOT door sticker and everything. But that's how AMG explained it to me. As to the differences between the Military HumVees and the Hummers. There are lots of diffs besides the "gooies and the paint job". Once again to meet DOT, changes had to be made. i.e. bumpers, lighting, seatbelts, emissions, etc... Also, as I understand the DOT registration rules. Once a vehicle is built as "off-road" it must stay as an "off-road" vehicle. Kinda like a MG. There was a great article on all the differences in FourWheeler magazine about 6 years ago. I'll try to find it. T.Jefferson - Please help me understand this better OK. 80% of which Mil-Spec? I don't get it. I used to work in the industry too and worked pretty close with GM on some OEM deals. The H2s have Chev motor, Chev Tranny, Chev T-case, Chev IFS components, is that a 10-bolt solid axle in the back? This thing looks to me like a 1/2 ton Chev truck with a pimpin' new skin. Is the H2 really built on its own platform?
BlackDog714  [Team Member]
12/5/2002 11:25:01 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By Crimson_Trace: The H2s have Chev motor, Chev Tranny, Chev T-case, Chev IFS components, is that a 10-bolt solid axle in the back? This thing looks to me like a 1/2 ton Chev truck with a pimpin' new skin. Is the H2 really built on its own platform? [/quote] H2's use GM 3/4 ton drivelines, (14 bolt S/F, 3/4 ton IFS hardware in the front). However, the "real" Hummer uses GM engines, transmissions, x-fer cases as well. The H2 is not a Hummer, its a 1/2 cost, almost as capable truck that looks like a Hummer.
Crimson_Trace  [Member]
12/5/2002 11:29:38 PM
Cool. Thanks for the info Dog. 14-bolts are good! Sounds like you have a lot of info on this rig. And almost local too! Come down and shoot. So, again, is this thing on its own platform or does it share with the 3/4 ton truck? -Z
Badseed  [Member]
12/5/2002 11:31:03 PM
[quote]Can I purchase a Jeep or Humvee/HMMWV? Jeeps DoD does not sell the M-151 series of vehicles commonly referred to as jeeps. The Department of Transportation has ruled that jeeps are built for off road use and could be unsafe at high speed. Therefore, for public safety, we render them inoperable prior to sale (i.e., cut or crush the unitized body and suspension system). [blue]Humvee/HMMWV The military version of the Humvee does not meet DoT commercial safety standards and is sold for recovery of parts and scrap.[/blue] [url]www.drms.dla.mil/newsales/html/help_faq.html#Jeeps[/url] Right from the horses mouth, if you can find one newer than '88- it's stolen.[/quote] I don't really understand the debate here. DoD says no. Unless there was an executive order signed concerning it... the prohibition stands. Can't get much clearer than I have shown.
C_Brooks  [Member]
12/5/2002 11:31:08 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By Crimson_Trace: Mr. Brooks - Actually "Dude", I am not so wrong. First, GM never sold any Hummers or HumVees to the public. It was AM General. Second, while we are all thrilled you "pulled the cat off your Blazer.", what I was referring to the fact that the military vehicles are classified as "off-road" and were not DOT certified which is a requirement to get a LEGAL registration. That's why I drew the parallel of registering a dirt bike. I'm not saying it doesn't happen or can't be done. I'm saying it's not supposed to happen. I apologize to you if I was unclear in my earlier communication. I got my information from AM General directly. When I was at Warn, we were a supplier to them. This was in the mid-'90's. I don't know about Garry's rig. Sounds like it came with the little DOT door sticker and everything. But that's how AMG explained it to me. As to the differences between the Military HumVees and the Hummers. There are lots of diffs besides the "gooies and the paint job". Once again to meet DOT, changes had to be made. i.e. bumpers, lighting, seatbelts, emissions, etc... Also, as I understand the DOT registration rules. Once a vehicle is built as "off-road" it must stay as an "off-road" vehicle. Kinda like a MG. There was a great article on all the differences in FourWheeler magazine about 6 years ago. I'll try to find it. T.Jefferson - Please help me understand this better OK. 80% of which Mil-Spec? I don't get it. I used to work in the industry too and worked pretty close with GM on some OEM deals. The H2s have Chev motor, Chev Tranny, Chev T-case, Chev IFS components, is that a 10-bolt solid axle in the back? This thing looks to me like a 1/2 ton Chev truck with a pimpin' new skin. Is the H2 really built on its own platform? [/quote] GM owns AM General and by pulling the catalytic converter (cat) off of my truck I changed the way the DOT look at the vehicle. Now you have never worked in the "industry" or you would know better that this: [b]There are lots of diffs besides the "gooies and the paint job". Once again to meet DOT, changes had to be made. i.e. bumpers, lighting, seatbelts, emissions, etc...[/b] and this:[b]I used to work in the industry too and worked pretty close with GM on some OEM deals. The H2s have Chev motor, Chev Tranny, Chev T-case, Chev IFS components, is that a 10-bolt solid axle in the back? This thing looks to me like a 1/2 ton Chev truck with a pimpin' new skin. Is the H2 really built on its own platform?[/b] The H1 HAS a Chevy engine,Trans,ect,ect. In fact there is a Chevy dealer about 10mils from teh AF base in Tampa Fl. that has worked on many H1s if there is a back up on base. Why,they come with a General Motors warranty,now the Feds get a beeter warranty that you and I but it comes from the same people. This is also why the name AM General is no more,now it's just Hummer. GM sales to everybody from the guy down the road to the Elec. Co. Take a look,go down to #11 under"GM brand web sits" upper left[url]http://www.gm.com/flash_homepage/[/url] But I'm wrong I bet,you being in the industry and all.
Badseed  [Member]
12/5/2002 11:34:48 PM
FYI: [quote]The HUMMER Division of General Motors was created through GM's purchase of the rights to the HUMMER brand name and trademarks from AM General Corp. in December 1999.[/quote] [url]http://www.cobaltgroup.com/press/pr/press_release-020501.jsp[/url] So pretty much anything made before 2000 is [i]not[/i] GM.
BlackDog714  [Team Member]
12/5/2002 11:35:04 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By Crimson_Trace: Cool. Thanks for the info Dog. 14-bolts are good! Sounds like you have a lot of info on this rig. And almost local too! Come down and shoot. So, again, is this thing on its own platform or does it share with the 3/4 ton truck? -Z[/quote] No, it shares it's platform with the Tahoe/Yukon. They just bolted the 3/4 ton stuff to it... Its not my cup of tea, but they are nice, just too nice! [:D]
Tonster  [Member]
12/5/2002 11:40:27 PM
A relative of mine sells refurb models. You can pick whatever options and level of restoration you want. I believe they were in the 30's a few months ago. The name of the company is Military Truck Parts Inc. Telephone number is (318) 256-2639. Ask for Mike then let him know Tony sent ya!!!
C_Brooks  [Member]
12/5/2002 11:53:31 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By Tonys68l36: A relative of mine sells refurb models. You can pick whatever options and level of restoration you want. I believe they were in the 30's a few months ago. The name of the company is Military Truck Parts Inc. Telephone number is (318) 256-2639. Ask for Mike then let him know Tony sent ya!!![/quote] THANK YOU! I think this was want I wanted the hole time. He sales Jeeps,AMtracks and all that stuff right?
Tonster  [Member]
12/6/2002 12:28:10 AM
Yes he does...They are in LA. a small town called Zwolle or Many I believe. I can't remember which one. Just let him know Tony from Houston sent ya it may get ya few bucks off.
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
12/6/2002 12:37:18 AM
FYI.... A couple of years back, the Marine Corps struck a deal with one of their contractors to trade 770 HMMWV's for X amount of new tracked bridging. The vehicles were transferred with the all-important DOD form 97 (I think that's the number) that makes them legal for civilians to own and operate once they're brought into compliance with state and federal transportation guidelines. The company that got the HMMWV's was permitted to sell them to the public, and they did exactly that. (They were in Georgia.) A good friend of mine owns one, a 1986 model with a general's star on it and only 3,000 original miles on the odometer. It was originally configured as a TOW missile carrier and is being restored to that condition with demilled surplus and dummy equipment. He collects military stuff and he's pretty serious about it! It's a heck of a machine. CJ
Tonster  [Member]
12/6/2002 12:39:54 AM
Heres the site... http://www.militarytruckonline.com/trucks/trucks.htm
lildegen  [Member]
12/7/2002 1:09:05 AM
Check Ebay there is always a few of them on there for auction
OregonShooter  [Member]
12/7/2002 1:27:12 AM
[quote]A couple of years back, the Marine Corps struck a deal with one of their contractors to trade 770 HMMWV's for X amount of new tracked bridging. The vehicles were transferred with the all-important DOD form 97 (I think that's the number) that makes them legal for civilians to own and operate once they're brought into compliance with state and federal transportation guidelines. The company that got the HMMWV's was permitted to sell them to the public, and they did exactly that. (They were in Georgia.[/quote] Yup I remember that. The company that was doing the selling (dont know if it was the same construction company) was also based in georga they used to have a really nice web site that went on and on about thier product. They had a few differnt levels of restoration and "turtle back" kits you could buy as well as bare as is units. They had pic showing hundreds of them. They said on the web site that they were DOT legal and wolud give you a title. that was about 6 months ago but sence ive not ben able to find the site. I thought it was called Real4x4.com but now its somthing else. I orginaly got the site addy off of ARF.com so others here knew about it I just cant find it here latly
guardian855  [Team Member]
12/7/2002 1:44:46 AM
Why would you want one? I am the driver of the Humvee for my team in the Guard and they suck. Get like 8 mpg, top speed of 60mph, slows down to 35 mph uphills. Too wide, too slow, and too noisy. Forget about stuff you take for granted like having a conversation with your passangers when you drive, just too damn loud. The civilans have to have some stuff that's different than the military version. I have been passed by them while they speed by me as I am going my top speed of 60 mph.
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
12/7/2002 11:38:53 AM
Why not have a surplus HMMWV if you want one? Why would someone want to own a surplus tank or APC? Or a surplus F-4 Phantom? It's not about practicality, it's about enjoying your hobby as a collector of military vehicles and other things military, and that's all. I don't think it's any stranger than collecting baseball cards, comic books, or even navel lint. I collect pilot's flight suits, helmets, oxygen masks, G suits ("speed jeans"), survival vests, and other related items. I've even sold some at huge profits. Not because this stuff is useful to me, but because I like having it. I need no other justification, nor does any other collector of anything. CJ
OSA  [Member]
12/7/2002 9:59:37 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By guardian855: Why would you want one? [/quote] We all collect something. OSA
C_Brooks  [Member]
12/7/2002 10:29:21 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By guardian855: Why would you want one? I am the driver of the Humvee for my team in the Guard and they suck. Get like 8 mpg, top speed of 60mph, slows down to 35 mph uphills. Too wide, too slow, and too noisy. Forget about stuff you take for granted like having a conversation with your passangers when you drive, just too damn loud. The civilans have to have some stuff that's different than the military version. I have been passed by them while they speed by me as I am going my top speed of 60 mph. [/quote] I would not leave it totaly mil-spec I just want to start out that way. Like I said first thing will e a new engine. Civilan Hummers are assinine!who needs a hummer with alot of pretty stuff you can't get dirty?
ED_P  [Team Member]
12/7/2002 10:56:33 PM
I second Gaurdian855, There's nothing magical about them, you'll probably eternally need an oil pan under it, it has no AC, the seats are crappy and the whole cab smells like mildew all the time, backing up is very tough as rear view is limited to just the side rear view mirror in many configurations, and once the main cooling fan kicks on (which it does all the time) it is so loud you have to yell at the guy in the passenger side for him to hear you. I think if you're a 4x4 fanatic or a military buff with a ton of dough, it'd be a cool addition to a collection, but don't think it's something you'd enjoy driving on a daily basis.
Taxman  [Member]
12/7/2002 11:07:13 PM
Well Id like one the poor man like me can afford.
OregonShooter  [Member]
12/8/2002 3:46:54 AM
Maby you could get a fairly cheap ex-mil one with a bad motor tranny or both then drop in a Duramax-allison combo. Yes that would cost about 15k but you would have a bad ass offroad rig with power a stock humvee could only dream of tho the engine comparment looks a bit tight i dont know if that would fit
Glock31  [Member]
12/8/2002 10:02:16 AM
Why would you even want to buy an ex-military Hummer when you can get a used civilian one with the same drivetrain and more interior goodies for the same price? Not to mention the treatment the civilian one that has probably spent 90% of its life on pavement versus the military one that has been beaten and abused since it was born.
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
12/8/2002 11:18:21 AM
How much abuse could even the Marines dish out to a HMMWV that's got only 3000 miles on the odometer? Not that much, apparently. This particular truck has more damage caused by the passage of time than anything else. Those who would want a real surplus HMMWV would NOT be satisfied with a wannabe civilian version. CJ
Glock31  [Member]
12/8/2002 12:00:05 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By cmjohnson: How much abuse could even the Marines dish out to a HMMWV that's got only 3000 miles on the odometer? Not that much, apparently. This particular truck has more damage caused by the passage of time than anything else. Those who would want a real surplus HMMWV would NOT be satisfied with a wannabe civilian version. CJ [/quote] Strip out all the plastic and comfortable stuff if thats what you want. I hate to tell you there is NOTHING "wannabe" about a Hummer that comes off the same assembly line as a HMMWV. You have to look at where those 3000 miles were spent. If it was just to run around on pavement or light off road use, great. If spent out in the field seeing what the truck would do, I'd rather have a soccer mom driven 1995 Hummer with 60,000 on the clock for $30,000 than a well abused late 80's or very early 90's ex-military vehicle with 3000 or even 1000 on the clock for $20,000. Bottom line is a 99% of the time a civilian Hummer is going to be a better buy than a military one unless common sense takes a back seat to the "gotta have a mil-spec HMMWV no matter how overpriced" mentality [;)]
SMProud  [Team Member]
12/8/2002 8:51:04 PM
Found this place while driving around this weekend. [url]www.mvpc.com[/url]
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
12/8/2002 9:08:50 PM
G31, my friend who bought this vehicle collects military vehicles and all sorts of militaria such as complete uniforms from every era, flight jackets, and so forth. To him, a civilianized Hummer is of no use whatsoever as it's not a military vehicle and doesn't fit into his collection. He doesn't drive his HMMWV very often in any event. It's closer to a static display than a driving vehicle. This is because he wants to keep it pristine for future enjoyment, and also because he discovered quite rapidly that cops will not hesitate to pull you over and give you shit about it. Begin traffic stop: "This is a military vehicle and you can't have it." "Here's my registration, Officer. You can see that MY name is on it." "...well, I don't think that's correct. I'm going to check and see if it's stolen....(comes back a few minutes later, hands back registration, etc..)...OK, it came back OK so I guess it hasn't been REPORTED stolen at least. I can't do anything about it. But I would if I could." End traffic stop. Yes, he's encountered that sort of ignorant attitude! But it's legal, and he doesn't want a hummer, and that's that. If you don't want a military hmmwv and will settle for a hummer (which, among other things, doesn't come with a fording kit and won't run when the water's over the hood...what a surprise when people find that out!) then go right ahead and buy one. I won't give you a load about buying what YOU want to buy for whatever reasons YOU select for buying it, and I'd appreciate it if you were to extend the same courtesy to others. Might as well make snide comments about people who want to own a rifle that looks like an M16, while you're at it! CJ
gt6plus  [Member]
12/8/2002 9:28:42 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By guardian855: Why would you want one? I am the driver of the Humvee for my team in the Guard and they suck. Get like 8 mpg, top speed of 60mph, slows down to 35 mph uphills. Too wide, too slow, and too noisy. Forget about stuff you take for granted like having a conversation with your passangers when you drive, just too damn loud. The civilans have to have some stuff that's different than the military version. I have been passed by them while they speed by me as I am going my top speed of 60 mph. [/quote] I would want one because I regularly drove one on 12 hour patrols as an MP in Europe, in the 2nd largest ammo supply area over there. It also doubled as a wildlife refugee area and once every year deer would be round up and carted of to restock hunting area's. Anyway it was a very wild area and you could do anything you wanted with the hmmwv, (that you could get away with). I put them through their paces and they are great machines... I would take a surplus one, so that I could drive with "reckless abandon" and not worry about scratching paint or cracking bodywork... the width can be a problem sometimes, but they were built like that to drive in tank tracks.....
Glock31  [Member]
12/8/2002 9:29:08 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By cmjohnson: G31, my friend who bought this vehicle collects military vehicles and all sorts of militaria such as complete uniforms from every era, flight jackets, and so forth. To him, a civilianized Hummer is of no use whatsoever as it's not a military vehicle and doesn't fit into his collection. He doesn't drive his HMMWV very often in any event. It's closer to a static display than a driving vehicle. This is because he wants to keep it pristine for future enjoyment, and also because he discovered quite rapidly that cops will not hesitate to pull you over and give you shit about it. Begin traffic stop: "This is a military vehicle and you can't have it." "Here's my registration, Officer. You can see that MY name is on it." "...well, I don't think that's correct. I'm going to check and see if it's stolen....(comes back a few minutes later, hands back registration, etc..)...OK, it came back OK so I guess it hasn't been REPORTED stolen at least. I can't do anything about it. But I would if I could." End traffic stop. Yes, he's encountered that sort of ignorant attitude! But it's legal, and he doesn't want a hummer, and that's that. If you don't want a military hmmwv and will settle for a hummer (which, among other things, doesn't come with a fording kit and won't run when the water's over the hood...what a surprise when people find that out!) then go right ahead and buy one. I won't give you a load about buying what YOU want to buy for whatever reasons YOU select for buying it, and I'd appreciate it if you were to extend the same courtesy to others. Might as well make snide comments about people who want to own a rifle that looks like an M16, while you're at it! CJ [/quote] Woahhh, calm down little fella. See where I said 99% of the time its better unless you just absolutely have to have a military vehicle? Your friend fits in that 1%. As for the M16 reference, good point. Would you rather have a registered pre-86 M16 range queen or a pre86 M16 that is military surplus? Your friend would go for the military surplus because thats what it is, almost everyone would take the civilian one because it most likely has had better treatment. As I said before though, there ARE exceptions just like there are to everything.
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
12/8/2002 9:37:11 PM
Heh...as a matter of fact...this same guy who owns the HMMWV also owns one of not too many fully registered, transferrable early version M16's. One of the real early ones with the 3 prong flash hider and AR-15 markings on it. It's ex-Air Force property and is in beautiful condition. Yes, he shoots it, but usually with a "consumable" 9mm upper on it which is expendable in the name of fun. If he shoots the rifling out of it, no problem. Just get another barrel. He doesn't put many rounds through its original upper just to preserve it. CJ