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 Remington 700 Sendero .338 RUM OUCH!
schapman43  [Member]
11/7/2002 4:08:31 PM
I picked up my 700 chambered in .338 Remington Ultra Mag today. They claim this cartridge is the most powerful .338 in the world. It has more energy at 400 yards than a 30-06 at the muzzle. I cant wait to get out and shoot it. I need to decide on a scope first. Ohh and I need to paint it. I think its gonna be desert camo, it'll match the local landscape better. Here are some pics. [IMG]http://home.attbi.com/~schapman43/images/guns/DSC00307.JPG[/IMG] [IMG]http://home.attbi.com/~schapman43/images/guns/DSC00308.JPG[/IMG] [IMG]http://home.attbi.com/~schapman43/images/guns/DSC00309.JPG[/IMG] [IMG]http://home.attbi.com/~schapman43/images/guns/DSC00310.JPG[/IMG] Look at the size of that muzzle, this is gonna beat the terd out of me.
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Stealth  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 4:11:33 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By schapman43: They claim this cartridge is the most powerful .338 in the world. [/quote] Is that including the .338 Lapua Mag?
Imbroglio  [Member]
11/7/2002 4:12:33 PM
What is the velocity/ft lbs. compared to .338 Lapua?
ChrisLe  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 4:13:28 PM
SWEEEET!! I was looking into one myself. Be sure to give us a range report.....
DPeacher  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 4:13:39 PM
I've got a cure fo the recoil.[:D] Let us know how it shoots. I have been pondering the .338 Lapua but I like the economics of the .338 RUM. That is a mighty fine looking rifle! Enjoy!!
magnum_99  [Member]
11/7/2002 4:18:17 PM
Can you say "muzzle brake?" Seriously, get an effective one fitted if you plan on actually shooting the thing much at all. I (yes, I'm a big baby apparently) still have a bruised shoulder from 100 rounds of measly .308Win last weekend; and this was using a recoil pad. I shudder to think what that baby will feel like without a muzzle brake.
schapman43  [Member]
11/7/2002 4:21:39 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By Stealth: [quote]Originally Posted By schapman43: They claim this cartridge is the most powerful .338 in the world. [/quote] Is that including the .338 Lapua Mag?[/quote] Supposedly yes. RUM 3458 Max Velocity with 200gr Nossler 2803 Max Velocity with 300gr SMK Lapua 2880 Max Velocity with 200gr Nossler 2759 Max Velocity with 300gr SMK I will try to find the energy statistics.
brouhaha  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 4:23:31 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By schapman43: They claim this cartridge is the most powerful .338 in the world. [/quote] More powerful .338's: 338-378 Weatherby. 8.59 Titan (Lazzeroni). .338 Lapua Magnum. Of the .338's, the .338/50 Talbot is the MOST powerful (a 50 BMG necked down to .338) The Lapua only have about a 100fps advantage over the .338 RUM, and costs 3-4x as much. So yes, it is certainly MUCH more economical. VERY sweet looking rifle you've got there. I'm anxious to hear a range report.
schapman43  [Member]
11/7/2002 4:27:23 PM
Looks like muzzle energy is around 5000+ with handloads.
schapman43  [Member]
11/7/2002 4:30:14 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By brouhaha: [quote]Originally Posted By schapman43: The Lapua only have about a 100fps advantage over the .338 RUM, and costs 3-4x as much. So yes, it is certainly MUCH more economical. [/quote] I have to disagree. Everything I have read says that the RUM can be loaded much hotter than the Lapua. Check out [url]www.accuratereloading.com[/url] Thats where I got my velocity info.
osprey21  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 4:33:01 PM
[url=http://www.remington.com/ammo/ballistics/centerfire/338remumbal.htm].338RUM[/url] [b]vs[/b] [url=http://www.snipercentral.com/338.htm].338 Lapua[/url]
schapman43  [Member]
11/7/2002 4:36:11 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By osprey21: [url=http://www.remington.com/ammo/ballistics/centerfire/338remumbal.htm].338RUM[/url] [b]vs[/b] [url=http://www.snipercentral.com/338.htm].338 Lapua[/url][/quote] You're comparing factory loads, which are always conservative to handloads. Apples to oranges. Lapua factory loads are much hotter than anything you will get from Remington or any other major manufacturer. This is a much more accurate representation of the two .338 Lapua [url]http://www.accuratereloading.com/338lmag.html[/url] .338 RUM [url]http://www.accuratereloading.com/338rum.html[/url]
Energizer  [Member]
11/7/2002 4:37:59 PM
How much???
schapman43  [Member]
11/7/2002 4:42:08 PM
I paid $789
Yankee1911  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 4:44:10 PM
schapman43, What's the finish on the metal? Bead blasted stainless? Nice looking rifle. (...sorry if that's a stupid question. I'm not very familiar with Remington's offerings.) What scope/rings are you looking at for that beast?
BigDozer66  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 4:44:35 PM
I have a Remington 700 LSS in the 300 Ultra Mag. It make'm many booms![:D] I have no need for the 338 in any of those calibers...Butit isn't the "most" powerful but would be more economical. IMHO There are not alot of people who would be able to shoot any of the above mentioned calibers.[:D] Keep us updated on the paint job etc... By the way you had better put a "Good" scope on there because the violent recoil will make inferior scopes "Shake, Rattle & Roll"![sniper] BigDozer66
SPECTRE  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 4:48:02 PM
I have been considering one of these (not necessarily in .338) for my new hunting/evil sniper rifle for a while, my only concern is the weight. The stainless fluted is 8 1/2 pounds then add a scope and possibly a harris bipod and your over ten pounds. Does anyone use a sendero for hunting ?? or are they a bench shooter type rifle.
Crookshanks  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 4:54:18 PM
Very nice, enjoy. I have a 300wm and my brother has a 300rum. Neither of them kick hard enough to even consider a muzzle brake. You might find the 338rum to be more comfortable than you expect.
schapman43  [Member]
11/7/2002 4:56:42 PM
The finish is indeed bead blasted stainless. I'm going with Badger mounting hardware and either a high end loopy or nightforce scope. Just a note, the bedding of the action and the floating of the barrel on this rifle appears to be much better than that of my 300 win mag sendero and 308 VS.
schapman43  [Member]
11/7/2002 4:58:28 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By Crookshanks: Very nice, enjoy. I have a 300wm and my brother has a 300rum. Neither of them kick hard enough to even consider a muzzle brake. You might find the 338rum to be more comfortable than you expect.[/quote] I hope you're right [:)] Now if I could only find factory ammo for less than $39 a box. Gonna have to get back into reloading.
texashark  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 5:00:12 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By SPECTRE: I have been considering one of these (not necessarily in .338) for my new hunting/evil sniper rifle for a while, my only concern is the weight. The stainless fluted is 8 1/2 pounds then add a scope and possibly a harris bipod and your over ten pounds. Does anyone use a sendero for hunting ?? or are they a bench shooter type rifle.[/quote] I just carried a Custom Sendero in .338/.416 Rem Magnum to Colorado elk hunting. Of course, the horse carried it the first three miles up the mountain, but I carried it the last one up. The extra weight had me wishing for a lighter rifle, but it sure helps when you shoot it. Another tip:, for those of you who have a highpower shooting jacket, slip it on before sighting in big boy, and you can actually enjoy the big guns @ the bench. The .338/.416 will shoot a 250gr Sierra @ 3000fps with no pressure signs. Btw, I use a 300wm Sendero to hunt white tails,(a little over powered) but we're shooting over wheat fields up to 450 Yds. Senderos rock!
thinman  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 5:01:44 PM
I have a Sendero in 25-06. It is heavy but it's a tack driver. Coyotes at 400yd--no problem. If I'm moving and calling I'll carry an AR but that 25-06 is awesome out the kitchen window and the hay mow.
BigDozer66  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 5:02:03 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By SPECTRE: I have been considering one of these (not necessarily in .338) for my new hunting/evil sniper rifle for a while, my only concern is the weight. The stainless fluted is 8 1/2 pounds then add a scope and possibly a harris bipod and your over ten pounds. Does anyone use a sendero for hunting ?? or are they a bench shooter type rifle.[/quote] I know a few people that use Sendero's but they for the most part hunt in stands or blinds. Most people would not want to tote that much weight around. I personally don't worry to much about the weight of the gun. Heck when I go duck or goose hunting I might have 2 boxes of shells with me. Just in case I'm set upon by a large number of ducks or geese![:D] BigDozer66
cafordguy  [Member]
11/7/2002 5:08:33 PM
40 dollars for a box? Jeeze how do you guys afford to feed those rifles. I guess reloading would make it cheaper though. Hope it shoots great, just try to have a shoulder left when your done [:D].
Stealth  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 5:20:13 PM
I forgot to add.... Sweet rifle. I have a Remington in 300 ultra. If you want to get better accuracy out of it then definitely reload. Get yourself a Stoney-Point OAL guage and bullet comparator. For legal/safety reasons they put WAY to much overbore on those things [at least on my PSS]. Well, either that or the factory loads are WAY too short. The distance from the ogive of a factory loaded nosler partition 180 grain bullet to the lands and grooves on my 300 RUM was .133. The bullet has to travel .133 before it ever connects. Anyway, good luck with your shoulder and GREAT RIFLE. If it's as heavy as mine the recoil isn't as bad as you might think.
magnum_99  [Member]
11/7/2002 5:27:41 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By Stealth: I forgot to add.... Sweet rifle. I have a Remington in 300 ultra. If you want to get better accuracy out of it then definitely reload. Get yourself a Stoney-Point OAL guage and bullet comparator. For legal/safety reasons they put WAY to much overbore on those things [at least on my PSS]. Well, either that or the factory loads are WAY too short. The distance from the ogive of a factory loaded nosler partition 180 grain bullet to the lands and grooves on my 300 RUM was .133. The bullet has to travel .133 before it ever connects. Anyway, good luck with your shoulder and GREAT RIFLE. If it's as heavy as mine the recoil isn't as bad as you might think.[/quote] ME TOO on the long throat. My PSS has tons of freebore (about the same as yours at .133) and if I seated the bullets .020 less than contacting the rifling, 1) the round won't fit in the mag and 2) I'm afraid the bullet may just fall out! (or have other issues with pressure/powder shifting) Notwithstanding, the PSS shoots .5 MOA with factory length rounds. Maybe freebore isn't so critical until you attmept to get benchrest type accuracy out of it. Let us know how she kicks. I'm curious to hear a comparison to say, a .308.
imposter  [Member]
11/7/2002 6:22:44 PM
That is pretty impressive. Weatherby makes two cartridges that are faster. Remington often exagerates some when it comes to marketing the RUM cartridges. Cartridge - Muzzle Velocity (fps) with 250 gr bullet 338 RUM - 2,860 340 Wby - 2,963 338/378 Wby - 3,060 All three are very fine cartridges, no doubt.
schapman43  [Member]
11/7/2002 9:30:35 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By imposter: That is pretty impressive. Weatherby makes two cartridges that are faster. Remington often exagerates some when it comes to marketing the RUM cartridges. Cartridge - Muzzle Velocity (fps) with 250 gr bullet 338 RUM - 2,860 340 Wby - 2,963 338/378 Wby - 3,060 All three are very fine cartridges, no doubt. [/quote] Hey if Remington says I have the most powerful then I have the most powerful [:)] Balistics aside I am very happy with my purchase. I will let you all know how it shoots.
gus  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 9:57:01 PM
Believe me, once you have toted that rifle for a while you will be tired. BUT, the extra weight might improve your ability to hit your target, since you won't be as likely to flinch. My dad has a little OLD Remington 700 in 7mm Mag, and in that light little gun it KICKS. Three or four shots are all I ever need to feel satisfied! It's all a comprimise.
imposter  [Member]
11/7/2002 10:11:08 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By schapman43: Hey if Remington says I have the most powerful then I have the most powerful [:)] Balistics aside I am very happy with my purchase. I will let you all know how it shoots. [/quote] Don't think I am dissing your rifle. I'd gladly trade a couple hundred fps for a non-belted cartridge, especially if you are a reloader. Am I correct in guessing this is an Elk gun? It does sometimes seem like you need a heavy hitter like yours to get those damned things down sometimes.
schapman43  [Member]
11/7/2002 10:30:49 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By imposter: [quote]Originally Posted By schapman43: Hey if Remington says I have the most powerful then I have the most powerful [:)] Balistics aside I am very happy with my purchase. I will let you all know how it shoots. Am I correct in guessing this is an Elk gun? [/quote] Funny you should ask. The guy at the shop who did the paper work asked me if I was going to Alaska or Africa to do some hunting. I smiled and said "Nope, this is gonna be my varmint rifle." I got a stunned look from the guy behind the counter and the two standing next to me. I've never hunted anything more than varmints and pheasant. I hope to get into hunting sometime down the road.
Benjamin0001  [Member]
11/7/2002 10:31:33 PM
What kind of scope??? Something in 4-16x56mm . Say a US OPTICS. You should get .25 MOA
schapman43  [Member]
11/7/2002 10:35:51 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By Benjamin0001: What kind of scope??? Something in 4-16x56mm . Say a US OPTICS. You should get .25 MOA[/quote] Actually I have heard mixed reviews on the US Optics and have decided to stay away from them. I'm thinking a Nightforce.
SHIVAN  [Team Member]
11/7/2002 10:53:05 PM
Wonder if the Schmidt & Bender that is for sale right now could handle the recoil? $800. Looks nice. Ed
Sleepy717  [Member]
11/7/2002 11:22:44 PM
I have a 300RUM in a LSS. I really like this rifle. I put a Leupold 4.5 x 14 Tactical Mildot on it and up until the last trip to the range, the rifle has been great. I sent it out to George Vise and had a break put on it to make range sessions a little easier to take. Rem factory loads did not shoot worth a shit in my rifle (3-5" @100 yards) and the velocity was down 150 fps from the published stats. My favorite load (in my rifle) it the 168 gr Barnes XBT Match with 98.5 gr of RL25. I have no idea what the velocity is, but there isn't any signs of pressur and it shoots about 3/8 to 1/2" @ 100yds. I think the reticule may have come loose in the scope though because it all of a sudden opened up its groups to about 3-4". I took the rifle apart and can't find anything loose or obviously out of order. Any ideas??? Anyway, good luck with the new boomer. Sleepy717
schapman43  [Member]
11/8/2002 12:30:32 AM
All these rifle stories make me really want to get out and shoot this puppy. I may have to buy a box of ammo and break in the barrel without a scope [:)]
SeaDweller  [Member]
11/8/2002 5:59:37 AM
[quote]Originally Posted By schapman43: The finish is indeed bead blasted stainless. I'm going with Badger mounting hardware and either a high end loopy or nightforce scope. Just a note, the bedding of the action and the floating of the barrel on this rifle appears to be much better than that of my 300 win mag sendero and 308 VS.[/quote] I also recall the barrel being perfectly centered on that exact same model rifle I checked out at the store. OTOH, the not-so perfectly centered barrel of my 700(P) leaves a lot to be desired.[rolleyes]
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