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 Do you consider competitive body builders 'fit'?
capnrob97  [Life Member]
7/6/2013 3:21:06 PM EST
Since the other thread went to HOTD, I don't go there.

Do you consider modern competitive body builders fit?

Especially since it seems they use the juice to get so huge.

I think of cardiovascular when describing someone as fit, not how big their muscles are by weight lifting and a needle.

I wouldn't even call them 'athletes'
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John_Wayne777  [Moderator]
7/6/2013 3:22:31 PM EST
They're a specialized athlete. Anyone who argues that deadlifting 800 pounds is not an athletic endeavor is out of their heads.

...and top level athletes in any number of sports/disciplines juice or dope and have for a long time. C'est la vie.
ar-jedi  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 3:24:32 PM EST

fit -- like water polo, soccer, cross-country ski, or motocross competitors? no.

ar-jedi
BakerMike  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 3:27:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I wouldn't even call them 'athletes'

Surely they must be athletes, since they participate in a competition that requires stringent physical training. You may as well say baseball players aren't athletes because they suck at soccer, or that soccer players aren't athletes because Brian Urlacher could swallow one of them whole and still sack somebody. Different physical endeavors require different kinds of specialization.

As to whether bodybuilders are 'fit' or not, my fat ass isn't fit to render judgment. I expect they're all in ten thousand times better shape than me.
jessehh  [Member]
7/6/2013 3:45:39 PM EST
Fit as a bodybuilder yes. Fit as in strong and great cardio (motocross, soccer, triathlete), no.
staringback05  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 3:45:59 PM EST
nope
andrasik  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 3:46:44 PM EST
In their field, definitely.

I can't deadlift as much as they can and they can't climb a mountain with me, so I guess it evens out.
gonzo_beyondo  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 3:50:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By jessehh:
Fit as a bodybuilder yes. Fit as in strong and great cardio (motocross, soccer, triathlete), no.

So you think bodybuilding is picking it up and putting it down huh?
Dana1972  [Member]
7/6/2013 3:55:06 PM EST
Professional Bodybuilding is one of the most unhealthy "sports" someone can participate in. I say this because of the high level of anabolic drugs and duretics they pump into their bodies.

That being said Weight lifting, proper diet, and cardio are necessary to be fit.
tcrpe  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 3:57:07 PM EST
Can they run?
TheGunCollector  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 3:57:46 PM EST
Yes.

You don't get that muscular or lean with out working your muscles and cardiovascular system. Are they marathon runner, gymnasts or top level cyclists. No, but they are fit.
Tall34  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:00:33 PM EST
The roid freaks = Not fit
The natural competitors = Fit
Dana1972  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:01:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:
Yes.

You don't get that muscular or lean with out working your muscles and cardiovascular system. Are they marathon runner, gymnasts or top level cyclists. No, but they are fit.


Those big muscles are only gonna gas you out quicker. I lift bro, but I also do a lot of cardio and have rolled with meat heads in Jiu Jitsu and I can tell you most gas after the first minute or so.
PKT1106  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:02:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Anyone who argues that deadlifting 800 pounds is not an athletic endeavor is out of their heads.


Strong does not always equal fit.
irishtech  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:02:56 PM EST
No I don't., but I don't think mega marathon runners are fit either.
ponchsox  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:03:27 PM EST
Fitter than most people.
RCJ  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:03:53 PM EST
Not as fit as:

1. Military
2. Firefighters
3. Police

In that order.
LibertarianYankee  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:05:14 PM EST
Yes, definitely.

Competitive body building isn't just juicing and sitting on the couch eating twinkies.

It often means cardio twice a day plus lifting. How many of you even do 10 minutes of cardio on a given day, or even lift?

And unlike most sports, you actually have to have a strict diet because your ability to place depends on your physique.

I see a lot of small man syndrome surfacing again....
LibertarianYankee  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:05:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By RCJ:
Not as fit as:

1. Military
2. Firefighters
3. Police

In that order.


TaylorWSO  [Life Member]
7/6/2013 4:07:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:
Yes.

You don't get that muscular or lean with out working your muscles and cardiovascular system. Are they marathon runner, gymnasts or top level cyclists. No, but they are fit.

Abused yes, fit no fucking way.

Fit means the system is working in good order. Their heart/vasc system is fucked and it will kill them or lead them to a limited lifestyle.

I guess meth heads are skinny=good shape then.
dskeet  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:07:26 PM EST
No, not really. They have some impressive strength, no doubt. But strength is only one part of overall physical fitness.

wegs  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:07:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
Since the other thread went to HOTD, I don't go there.

Do you consider modern competitive body builders fit?

Especially since it seems they use the juice to get so huge.

I think of cardiovascular when describing someone as fit, not how big their muscles are by weight lifting and a needle.

I wouldn't even call them 'athletes'

If you can't wipe your own ass you are not fit.
BP03  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:08:08 PM EST
in b4 "I bet if you threw them in my landscaping crew they'd be complaining in 10 minutes"
TaylorWSO  [Life Member]
7/6/2013 4:08:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By RCJ:
Not as fit as:

1. Military
2. Firefighters
3. Police

In that order.
Police
They shouldn't even be on the list as even resembling fit, Oh but I bet you meant the body armor.
rykn0w  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:09:16 PM EST
i consider anyone who works out and eats healthy fit

so yes, a body builder to me is 'fit'
TheGunCollector  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:10:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dana1972:
Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:
Yes.

You don't get that muscular or lean with out working your muscles and cardiovascular system. Are they marathon runner, gymnasts or top level cyclists. No, but they are fit.


Those big muscles are only gonna gas you out quicker. I lift bro, but I also do a lot of cardio and have rolled with meat heads in Jiu Jitsu and I can tell you most gas after the first minute or so.


And I'm willing to bet that minute would be more than the average jack you pull of the street.

I remember when I was training JJ, a guy started to train that was a pretty successful amateur bodybuilder. He lost quite a bit of size, but he was always a pretty big dude - probably leveled out about 190.
desertw0lf  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:10:21 PM EST
Wait, what kind of pro body builder? Mr Olympia contenders, mens physique, strongman athletes, etc? There are all types of competitive bodybuilding. Cant just lump them together. I have a good friend who is a IFPBB pro in mens physique and there's no question that he is incredibly fit, but he can't keep up with me at strongman style training. He can, however, definitely beat me at endurance stuff like running, biking, etc.

Define fit.

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Dana1972  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:10:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By LibertarianYankee:
Yes, definitely.

Competitive body building isn't just juicing and sitting on the couch eating twinkies.

It often means cardio twice a day plus lifting. How many of you even do 10 minutes of cardio on a given day, or even lift?

And unlike most sports, you actually have to have a strict diet because your ability to place depends on your physique.

I see a lot of small man syndrome surfacing again....



http://www.daveywaveyfitness.com/exercises/myth-bodybuilders-are-healthy

Good quick read on on the unhealthy sport of body building.
Lootie23  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:11:53 PM EST
Fit? No. Strong, yes. You can lift a shit ton of weight, and be gasping for breath after running 1 mile, have shitting aerobic capacity and a weak heart...high cholesterol, etc.
Steve_T_M  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:12:02 PM EST
Obviously they are stronger than your average person but no, not really "fit" in the general sense.

I think it was better back in the day when a lift was part of the competition, i.e. you could get points for doing a clean and jerk or a deadlift on the stage. These days it's just about getting ridiculously, disgustingly, inhumanly huge.

And I think the people from the days of Arnold and Frank Columbo when they weren't so outlandishly big looked better anyway. What woman would want a guy who looks like Ronnie Coleman?
Slateman  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:12:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
They're a specialized athlete. Anyone who argues that deadlifting 800 pounds is not an athletic endeavor is out of their heads.

...and top level athletes in any number of sports/disciplines juice or dope and have for a long time. C'est la vie.


couchcoughcyclingcough
Demosthenes99  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:13:18 PM EST
The modern drug cocktail these guys take of insulin and HGH, along with anabolic steroids, enlarges their intestines and gives them their signature "HGH guts". I doubt that's good for you long term, not exactly what I'd call "fit".



desertw0lf  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:13:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By Tall34:
The roid freaks = Not fit
The natural competitors = Fit


Then you know nothing about AAS usage. A tremendous amount of work goes into itespecially at the to tiers of bodybuilding even with AAS usage. Its not some magic get big instantly deal and a fuck ton of with goes into keeping any gains.

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Steve_T_M  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:14:22 PM EST
I think of cardiovascular when describing someone as fit, not how big their muscles are by weight lifting and a needle.


Endurance isnt the be-all and end-all of fitness either. A gazelle-like guy who can run for miles but can't squat his bodyweight is by no means fit.
Dana1972  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:15:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:
Originally Posted By Dana1972:
Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:
Yes.

You don't get that muscular or lean with out working your muscles and cardiovascular system. Are they marathon runner, gymnasts or top level cyclists. No, but they are fit.


Those big muscles are only gonna gas you out quicker. I lift bro, but I also do a lot of cardio and have rolled with meat heads in Jiu Jitsu and I can tell you most gas after the first minute or so.


And I'm willing to bet that minute would be more than the average jack you pull of the street.

I remember when I was training JJ, a guy started to train that was a pretty successful amateur bodybuilder. He lost quite a bit of size, but he was always a pretty big dude - probably leveled out about 190.


As you know JJ is a Anaerobic work out and most people aren't prepared for that type of cardio. I'm 6'1 about 225 and have lifted and ran my whole life. It took me a good 6 mos before I stopped throwing up in the parking lot
desertw0lf  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:16:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By Demosthenes99:
The modern drug cocktail these guys take of insulin and HGH, along with anabolic steroids, enlarges their intestines and gives them their signature "HGH guts". I doubt that's good for you long term, not exactly what I'd call "fit".

http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/4/2/428216.1080192083670.gut.jpg



That dude needs more leg day. Haha. I don't know any juicers that face that issue, there are a ton of options on the aas front though.. Even guys in the days of Arnold used steroids

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Slateman  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:17:21 PM EST
ClatuVertanictu  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:17:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
They're a specialized athlete. Anyone who argues that deadlifting 800 pounds is not an athletic endeavor is out of their heads.

...and top level athletes in any number of sports/disciplines juice or dope and have for a long time. C'est la vie.

FPNI.

You could probably take that same person, and give them a different training program and they'd excel at whatever it was they did...because they have the discipline, focus, and commitment to succeed at it.

They may not be the best at that chosen event due to limitations in genetics/bodytype, etc., but they'd be conditioned for it very well.


jherm77  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:19:29 PM EST
I worked in the industry as a nutritionist for awhile and these guys/gals make tremendous sacrifices to compete. As the competition get closer, and they cut back the carbs, they are struggling just to do their daily tasks. After the competition, I have seen so many crash and lose most of their physique.

I respect their dedication, but no way I would describe them as "fit".
Demosthenes99  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:20:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By desertw0lf:
Originally Posted By Demosthenes99:
The modern drug cocktail these guys take of insulin and HGH, along with anabolic steroids, enlarges their intestines and gives them their signature "HGH guts". I doubt that's good for you long term, not exactly what I'd call "fit".

http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/4/2/428216.1080192083670.gut.jpg



That dude needs more leg day. Haha. I don't know any juicers that face that issue, there are a ton of options on the aas front though.. Even guys in the days of Arnold used steroids

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The guys back then were definitely juicing too, but they weren't the walking chemistry labs today's guys are. They looked better in general though.



Then there's Eugene Sandow, bodybuilder from the late 19th century, and you know he was natural.



Drug usage aside, it's amazing what he was able to do without modern diet or training.
SERVED_USMC  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:21:31 PM EST
They do more cardio per week than 95% of Arfcom. I know body builders who will do 2 hours of cardio (heart rate at 130-140 bpm) for the 4 weeks previous of a competition. The fact that most people think that anabolics are some sort if magic pill make me giggle. Just because someone can't run a full marathon doesn't make them a non athlete.
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:21:35 PM EST
All-around fitness seems to be the most difficult sort to achieve.

You don't see heavily muscled long distance runners, or even sprinters. They have muscle, but they're lean.

You don't see the lean, rangy types pushing big numbers in the squat rack.

I'd say that team sports probably create the most balanced athletes you're likely to see on a regular basis.

Basketball and football, in particular, require agility, speed, reflexes, and raw strength, of different sorts.
Basketball rewards leg strength (jumping) while football rewards upper body strength, particularly for linemen.
Both require good running speed, for short distances.

I'd say that of all possible sports, it's the gymnast who probably has the best combination of overall fitness,
strength, speed, and endurance. He will not be the strongest, or the fastest, or have the longest endurance,
but anyone else who's not a gymnast can't do what he does.

I'd rank dedicated martial artists rather highly in overall ability as well.


CJ

Slateman  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:23:55 PM EST
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
All-around fitness seems to be the most difficult sort to achieve.

You don't see heavily muscled long distance runners, or even sprinters. They have muscle, but they're lean.

You don't see the lean, rangy types pushing big numbers in the squat rack.

I'd say that team sports probably create the most balanced athletes you're likely to see on a regular basis.

Basketball and football, in particular, require agility, speed, reflexes, and raw strength, of different sorts.
Basketball rewards leg strength (jumping) while football rewards upper body strength, particularly for linemen.

I'd say that of all possible sports, it's the gymnast who probably has the best combination of overall fitness,
strength, speed, and endurance. He will not be the strongest, or the fastest, or have the longest endurance,
but anyone else who's not a gymnast can't do what he does.

I'd rank dedicated martial artists rather highly in overall ability as well.


CJ



Crossfit

Demosthenes99  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:26:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
All-around fitness seems to be the most difficult sort to achieve.

You don't see heavily muscled long distance runners, or even sprinters. They have muscle, but they're lean.

You don't see the lean, rangy types pushing big numbers in the squat rack.

I'd say that team sports probably create the most balanced athletes you're likely to see on a regular basis.

Basketball and football, in particular, require agility, speed, reflexes, and raw strength, of different sorts.
Basketball rewards leg strength (jumping) while football rewards upper body strength, particularly for linemen.

I'd say that of all possible sports, it's the gymnast who probably has the best combination of overall fitness,
strength, speed, and endurance. He will not be the strongest, or the fastest, or have the longest endurance,
but anyone else who's not a gymnast can't do what he does.

I'd rank dedicated martial artists rather highly in overall ability as well.


CJ



Sprinters can actually be very jacked. They use explosive movements from fast twitch fibers, which require a lot of musculature. More so than distance runners who use slow twitch fibers and endurance.



SV650Squid  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:34:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Slateman:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
All-around fitness seems to be the most difficult sort to achieve.

You don't see heavily muscled long distance runners, or even sprinters. They have muscle, but they're lean.

You don't see the lean, rangy types pushing big numbers in the squat rack.

I'd say that team sports probably create the most balanced athletes you're likely to see on a regular basis.

Basketball and football, in particular, require agility, speed, reflexes, and raw strength, of different sorts.
Basketball rewards leg strength (jumping) while football rewards upper body strength, particularly for linemen.

I'd say that of all possible sports, it's the gymnast who probably has the best combination of overall fitness,
strength, speed, and endurance. He will not be the strongest, or the fastest, or have the longest endurance,
but anyone else who's not a gymnast can't do what he does.

I'd rank dedicated martial artists rather highly in overall ability as well.


CJ



Crossfit


CROSSFIT!!!


FlyingIllini  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:35:21 PM EST
They are fit, they do a lot of cardio and the type of training they do is high volume, high rep weight training with little rest.

For all the clowns attacking them for using roids.... the guys you watch on Sunday afternoons are on roids also. So are the MMA guys. So are a lot of other athletes.
Dark_Rider  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:41:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By Demosthenes99:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
All-around fitness seems to be the most difficult sort to achieve.

You don't see heavily muscled long distance runners, or even sprinters. They have muscle, but they're lean.

You don't see the lean, rangy types pushing big numbers in the squat rack.

I'd say that team sports probably create the most balanced athletes you're likely to see on a regular basis.

Basketball and football, in particular, require agility, speed, reflexes, and raw strength, of different sorts.
Basketball rewards leg strength (jumping) while football rewards upper body strength, particularly for linemen.

I'd say that of all possible sports, it's the gymnast who probably has the best combination of overall fitness,
strength, speed, and endurance. He will not be the strongest, or the fastest, or have the longest endurance,
but anyone else who's not a gymnast can't do what he does.

I'd rank dedicated martial artists rather highly in overall ability as well.


CJ



Sprinters can actually be very jacked. They use explosive movements from fast twitch fibers, which require a lot of musculature. More so than distance runners who use slow twitch fibers and endurance.

http://fivehourfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/sprinter-jacked.jpg

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/DKB+ISTAF+IAAF+Golden+League+JnfUVV5SR4zl.jpg


LMFAO and these fuckers juice like no other just like everyone is complaining about with bodybuilders. Elite cyclists probably have a stricter and more volatile cocktail going then many of your bodybuilders do. Not every "cocktail" is designed to make someone 300lbs and 3% BF.
wareagleA5  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:41:36 PM EST
I've found that most bodybuilders are not athletic, they have extremely poor range of motion and coordination. If you want to have fun invite them to a game of kickball, most of them will fall flat on their ass trying to kick the ball. This is the reason real athletes do athletic drills running, jumping, climbing, swinging, and other dynamic drills, besides just lifting weights. I'll give bodybuilders fit but, not athletic.
TerryC  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:42:33 PM EST
nvm
AR15fan  [Team Member]
7/6/2013 4:44:20 PM EST
on game day they are closer to death than fit.
Slateman  [Member]
7/6/2013 4:44:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By SV650Squid:

Originally Posted By Slateman:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
All-around fitness seems to be the most difficult sort to achieve.

You don't see heavily muscled long distance runners, or even sprinters. They have muscle, but they're lean.

You don't see the lean, rangy types pushing big numbers in the squat rack.

I'd say that team sports probably create the most balanced athletes you're likely to see on a regular basis.

Basketball and football, in particular, require agility, speed, reflexes, and raw strength, of different sorts.
Basketball rewards leg strength (jumping) while football rewards upper body strength, particularly for linemen.

I'd say that of all possible sports, it's the gymnast who probably has the best combination of overall fitness,
strength, speed, and endurance. He will not be the strongest, or the fastest, or have the longest endurance,
but anyone else who's not a gymnast can't do what he does.

I'd rank dedicated martial artists rather highly in overall ability as well.


CJ



Crossfit


CROSSFIT!!!

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